Who Poisoned Alexander Litvinenko? Radioactive thallium link

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She blinded me with...Science!

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:02 pm

orz wrote:You see, there's this little thing called 'science' that a few folks are interested in... :roll:


Ah, that's why he claimed to work on crashed alien spaceships at Area 51.
"Science." :roll:

Not exactly Federation of American Scientists material-

http://www.boblazar.com/

I get a password prompt but here are the topics promised at the bottom of the front page-

BOB LAZAR ALIENS RETICULI ELEMENT 115 PHYSICS FLYING SAUCERS ANTIMATTER GRAVITY GRAVITY WAVES DISCS S4 GROOM LAKE PAPOOSE LAKE AREA 51 NEVADA "DR. EDWARD TELLER" "JON FARHAT" "ART BELL"


And this is where the 'polonium' angle of the rub-out led to. Hunh.
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Re: She blinded me with...Science!

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:50 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:I get a password prompt but here are the topics promised at the bottom of the front page-

BOB LAZAR ALIENS RETICULI ELEMENT 115 PHYSICS FLYING SAUCERS ANTIMATTER GRAVITY GRAVITY WAVES DISCS S4 GROOM LAKE PAPOOSE LAKE AREA 51 NEVADA "DR. EDWARD TELLER" "JON FARHAT" "ART BELL"


Sounds google-fied..
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Still on Bob Lazar. Covered for Stealth?

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:10 pm

Continuing the Lazar angle on polonium, here's an article with more of his background and own words showing prime disinfo characteristics. He ranks with Bearden and Scott Stevens as Pentagon cover-up artists. Looks as if Lazar helped cover for Stealth bombers back in Ronnie Raygun/Boosh days preparing for Gulf War I.

Nothing like keeping your dark glasses on to scream 'I'm mysterious!' 8)

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http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3369879[/url]

George Knapp, Investigative Reporter
Bob Lazar: The Man Behind Area 51

May 23, 2005 01:36 PM

As the Area 51 military base prepares to celebrate its 50th birthday next week, the man who put the base on the public's radar screen says he wants nothing to do with the place.

Former government scientist Bob Lazar is the man who claimed to have worked on alien technology at a facility near Groom Lake, but Lazar left town years ago and has kept a low profile ever since.

Millions of people have heard Bob Lazar's story, and a lot of them believe it. The poohbahs of ufology think Lazar is a government disinformation agent assigned to spread lies and muddy the waters about what really goes on at Area 51. Still others think he's a profiteer who made it all up because he wanted to cash in.

Lazar decided years ago to leave the sniping behind. He left the state, dropped out of sight and started a new life. So where is he and what's he doing?

Bob Lazar says, "... given the same information, I'm not sure I'd believe the story either. There's a lot I can't prove. It's what I observed and what happened to me."

If Bob Lazar sounds a bit more philosophical these days, maybe it's because of his mellow surroundings. Basically, he moved to the sticks -- an idyllic spot in rural New Mexico with a few dogs, a rescued horse, and his wife Joy. The house at the end of the dirt road is comfortable, but tough to find, which means strangers aren't likely to show up to ask questions about flying saucers.

Bob Lazar says, "I really had to cut that loose. I don't answer UFO emails anymore, so if anyone is thinking of emailing me, I don't care if you were abducted. I'm sorry to hear about it. Nor do I believe most of the UFO stories."

There was a time, though, when Lazar was at the center of the UFO universe. In 1989, his allegations about ET craft being tested in the Nevada desert exploded into the public consciousness. He said he worked for the Navy at S-4, a hidden hangar complex south of Groom Lake, where nine flying discs of various shapes were stored and tested.

Lazar said an anti-matter reactor powered the craft. His drawing of what he called the sport model became the basis for a popular model kit still sold in stores. Many other products were launched too. Tourists arrived outside Groom Lake by the bus full, news teams flew in from all over the world, and the state created the Extraterrestrial Highway to cash in on the furor.

Lazar's story was rich with detail. Not only did he see the craft fly, he said, but also he got to peek inside, and that's when it hit him. "They had really small chairs. Why did they need small furniture?"

While the public ate it up, the military said nothing, and the UFO hierarchy dismissed it all as a fabrication since Lazar could not verify parts of his background. Lazar was widely ridiculed, especially after he got into trouble for helping a career prostitute. Some of the stories that surfaced about him were downright bizarre.

Lazar, in a 1993 interview, said, "The latest one is that you and I and John Lear are all Shriners or 32nd degree Masons, and the saucer story is all a cover. It's really the Shriners who are flying these things."

Lazar doesn't miss the UFO craziness at all. Out here, he's almost anonymous. He minces no words about whether he sticks by his story. "I felt privileged to be part of the project and it was fascinating to be in it in any way, shape, or form, but life moves on."

And it's a busy life at that. Lazar started United Nuclear, a scientific supply company that sells a long list of stuff online to schools, universities, even to government agencies and labs, things like cloud chambers, radiation detectors, and uranium ore.

Lazar says, "We're consultants for a lot of companies. You get the strangest phone calls, even from the Navy Seals, who say, we need a device like this to go overboard and activate. They give specifications and ask can you build it? We fabricate a prototype, get it to them, do a short production run. By that time we get another call from another company to make some bizarre equipment and really have a blast."

Speaking of blasts, his online ads selling pieces of uranium ore understandably caught the attention of several government agencies, especially since he also built a 30-foot long particle accelerator behind his house.

"Every government agency you could possibly think of has been here and hassled us, and that includes the SWAT team that woke my wife and I up at 6 in the morning and handcuffed us out on the front lawn.

After various agencies were assured that Lazar wasn't building atomic weapons out behind the barn, agents calmed down. A few pop by from time to time to see what he's up to. There's one thing they don't talk about.

Laser concludes, "To be taken seriously, you can't be known as Bob the UFO guy."

We did talk UFOs a bit. Viewers who remember the Lazar story may recall that he claimed the space ships were fueled by something called element 115, which did not exist back in 1989.

Recently, however, scientists created 115 in a lab.
What does this mean to the Lazar story, and is there a way to prove it? The I-Team will have more on that Friday at 5.

The KLAS-TV online team has created a special webpage about Area 51 with interview clips, maps and photos, and links to other viewpoints about the base.
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Postby orz » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:23 pm

Haha i hadn't read the company history, weird! Didn't make the connection, i have indeed heard of Lazar's claims before...

But so what? The fact remains that it's totally legitimate for a company selling radioactive material for educational/hobby purposes to exist. That's my point... this company have been selling this stuff for years, sell lots of non-radioactive stuff too, and generally exist as a fully functional, geuine company. I don't (you'll be unsurprised to learn) see any actual evidence that this was set up to discredit the internet, regardless of the founder's ropey background.

Hugh, i'm sorry if i don't exibit the proper response to this company, but I just don't feel like experiencing paranoid fear and distrust any time i encounter science that happens to cooincide with politics. Personally i actually find it strangely reassuring that some famous UFO nut is selling radioactive isotopes on the internet... that's the sort of thing makes America great! :)

Ha, they updated their isotopes page in response to this whole poisoning thing: http://www.unitednuclear.com/isotopes.htm

You would need about 15,000 of our Polonium-210 needle sources
at a total cost of about $1 million - to have a toxic amount.


Also if it makes you feel better... or worse?...
Privacy - Do you sell, or give out my personal and/or order information?
ABSOLUTELY NOT. We do not even archive your personal, or order information for our own uses. We will not give out any information on anyone for any reason. - PERIOD.
Chemical suppliers routinely forward customers names, along with their purchases to Government officials / Homeland Security officials, etc. WE DO NOT - AND NEVER WILL. We respect your privacy and will fight for it.
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...making America great...

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:41 pm

lol.

I think Lazar's advertised non-disclosure policy might actually be contrary to laws meant to regulate such things.

In which case his site could be a lure for 'baddies.'
Just look at his publicity.

Just a possibility as I haven't researched the actual laws but would expect this to be true.
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Postby orz » Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:05 am

Possible but since you can't actually buy any dangerous amount of radioactive material from him seems unlikely.

Researched him a bit, it seems he's had legal trouble for selling chemicals to make fireworks...

He does seem pretty odd, and the stuff on the site has a bit of a 'libertarian' survivalist type tone to it that you'd expect from some guys who wanna be free to have fun blowing stuff up in the desert without hasstle from the Man, but really I think it's a stretch to assume the whole thing's been set up to 'entrap'... uh who exactly?
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Erinys, guardians of the underworld

Postby Gouda » Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:37 am

Radiation smudged: Here's another private security firm literally and figuratively guarding the underworld while reaping profits galore (in Iraq among other places) to keep an eye on in this affair: Erinys International Ltd.

Beyond the sushi bar, traces of radiation have been detected at several more sites, including Litvinenko's home, a hotel he visited, the offices of Russian tycoon Boris Berezovsky and the offices of Erinys, a security and risk management company.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europ ... index.html

Erinys International Ltd. was established by ex-Apartheid era official Sean Cleary and Jonathan Garratt in 2002, and provides an array of services to the military-corporate-oil-spook-mafia complex.

Turns out we should know about them not only for their fascist roots and possible involvement in the nuclear underworld, but also for the usual corporate war infractions, like this:

A UK security firm linked to two of Britain's top ex-SAS men is at the centre of a prisoner 'abuse' row after photographs revealed employees interrogating a terrified Iraqi youth in a garage in Kirkuk. Pictures obtained by The Observer show two employees of Erinys restraining the 16-year-old Iraqi with six car tyres around his body. The photographs, taken last May, show the boy frozen with fear in a room where the wall appeared to be marked by bullet holes.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0, ... 66,00.html

But never mind that, and their abhorrent labor practices, for now. Let's look at their other associations and arrangements.

And the meaning of their name:

In Greek mythology, the Erinys were three goddesses, attendants of Hades and Persephone, who guarded the Underworld.

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=8328

While the company does not appear in international business directories and is only a year old, its website names five managers and directors, but does not identify its ownership structure: most of whom have been affiliated with Armor Holdings, a Florida-based security company and Defence Systems Limited, a British company which merged with Armor in 1997.

A former British Special Air Services (SAS) officer, director Alastair Morrison was co-founder and CEO of Defence Systems from 1981 to 1999. Morrison is currently affiliated with Armor Holdings, in which he holds $2.1 million worth of stock. Fraser Brown, who directs Erinys' security operations, has worked for DSL/Armor since 1999. Jonathan Garratt, Erinys' managing director, has worked for DSL and Armor since 1992. The two other Erinys officials named on the website have no apparent ties to either company: Sean Cleary is a South African risk management expert while Bill Elder previously worked as Bechtel's corporate security manager.


Here are the services they provide:

* Security Services and Consultancy: The security division is directed by former senior members of the UK armed forces with extensive experience in providing security to the private sector with clients such as the UN, US and UK governments, the international petrochemical industry and commerce.
* Emergency Action Planning & Crisis Management: Assessments of potentially damaging scenarios.
* Specialist Manpower: Available for all levels of security, training and project management.
* Site Security: Consultancy, audits, provisions, training, personnel, and equipment
* Guard Force Management
* Transportation and Logistics Security: Extensive experience in airline, rail, sea and overland travel including high value goods and cash in transit.
* Human Resources: Specialist, managed manpower for support operations in remote sites[2]


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti ... tional_Ltd.

"Specialist Manpower," "Human Resources" and "Transportation and Logistics Security" are usually euphemisms for illicit trafficking, smuggling and trade facilitation.

And they enjoy great connections in Iraq, ummm...to the Chalabis:

Erinys Iraq

Erinys Iraq Ltd, which won an $80 million contract last August from the Coalition Provisional Authority to provide security for the oil infrastructure in Iraq, has had some powerful alliances in Iraq.

* Erinys set up a Joint Venture with Nour USA Ltd. which was incorporated in America in May '03. Nour's founder is Abul Huda Farouki, a wealthy Jordanian-American who lives in northern Virginia and whose companies have done extensive construction work for the Pentagon. Nour's website describes the company as a collaborative "arrangement" between HAIFinance, a Farouki family company, and a Jordanian venture called the Munir Sukhtan Group
* Farouki's businesses established $12 million of loans from the Petra International Banking Corporation in the 1980s, which was managed at the time by Ahmed Chalabi's nephew, Mohammed Chalabi. The Jordanian government says this was part of a massive embezzlement scheme involving Chalabi and a bank he owned in Jordan.
* A founding partner and the director of Erinys Iraq is Faisal Daghistani. Faisal is the son of Tamara Daghinstani who played a large role in the development of Ahmed Calabi's Iraqi National Congress
* The firm's cousel in Baghdad has been Chalabi's nephew, Salem Chalabi
* Many among the 14,000 guards recruited by Erinys to protect the oil infrastructure came directly from the Iraqi Free Forces, a militia that had been loyal to Chalabi's movement.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti ... tional_Ltd.

With the Chalabis, you can pretty much link up to any neocon-inclined crook big into international arms, drugs, intelligence, and nuke trafficking.

Now, why might they have radiation smudges in their offices?
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Radiation found on planes in spy probe

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:44 am

Radiation found on planes in spy probe

November 30, 2006 07:34am
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BRITISH Airways has said traces of radiation have been found on two of its aircraft being examined in a police probe into the poisoning death of former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko.

The airline has said three short haul aircraft have been taken out of service for forensic examination, after initial test results showed "very low traces of a radioactive substance on board two of the three" planes.

Mr Litvinenko, a former Russian spy, died last Thursday of radiation poisoning. Significant amounts of radioactive Polonium 210 were found in his body.

In another twist yesterday, friends of former Russian prime minister Yegor Gaidar said he was in hospital with a mysterious illness that they said could be another poisoning.

Anatoly Chubais, a former finance minister and a close ally of Mr Gaidar, told London's Financial Times yesterday that he suspected Mr Gaidar had been poisoned.

Mr Chubais, the wealthy head of Russia's electricity monopoly, ruled out any involvement of Russia's security services or the Kremlin in Mr Gaidar's unexplained illness, which left him suddenly unconscious, vomiting blood and bleeding from the nose.

He collapsed while attending a conference in Ireland last Friday.

Mr Gaidar lives in Moscow and maintains close links with some Russian government officials but is a critic of President Vladimir Putin.

He is undergoing tests in a Moscow hospital that have found no signs of radiation poisoning, but he told the Financial Times by telephone that doctors had so far been unable to identify the cause of his violent vomiting and bleeding.

Mr Gaidar said he felt ill after eating a simple breakfast where he was staying near Dublin. He said he could barely move his limbs and had to lie down for most of the afternoon.

In a link that would delight lovers of espionage thrillers, Mr Gaidar once employed as a bodyguard Andrei Lugovoi, a former KGB agent who met Mr Litvinenko in a London hotel room on the day Mr Litvinenko was apparently poisoned.

British pathologists will don chemical suits and breathing apparatus tomorrow to conduct a post-mortem examination of Mr Litvinenko's radiation-riddled body to confirm their belief he somehow ingested a tiny pellet of the radioactive material.

Mr Litvinenko's body is being kept in a lead-lined coffin by British officials who have so far conducted tests on eight people in London who fear they may have been exposed to the radiation that killed him.

The disclosure of Mr Gaidar's collapse came as Kremlin officials and government-backed media in Moscow argued that Mr Litvinenko's death might have been orchestrated by exiled tycoon Boris Berezovsky, who fiercely opposes Mr Putin and employed Mr Litvinenko after the ex-KGB lieutenant colonel sought asylum in Britain.

The Russian officials stepped up their accusations against Mr Berezovsky after London police found traces of radioactive polonium-210 at Mr Berezovsky's London offices.

Mr Berezovsky, a one-time Kremlin powerbroker who fell out with Mr Putin and fled to England, has issued a statement mourning Mr Litvinenko's death and blaming Mr Putin.

Detectives are understood to want to question Mr Berezovsky about the events of November 1, the day Mr Litvinenko fell ill. Mr Berezovsky has declined to explain publicly why Mr Litvinenko, who was recently given British citizenship, visited his headquarters in Mayfair on that day.

In his first comment on the Litvinenko affair, Tony Blair insisted yesterday that no "diplomatic or political barrier" would be permitted to obstruct the police inquiry, even if the evidence pointed to a state-sponsored assassination. "We are determined to find out what happened and who is responsible," the Prime Minister said.

Police yesterday questioned Mario Scaramella, an Italian nuclear expert, who met Litvinenko at a sushi bar in Piccadilly where evidence of the radioactive poison was found. Radiation has so far been found at seven locations across London, as well as on the BA aircraft.

The airline now faces a huge logistical challenge tracking down passengers who used the planes on more than 200 flights, starting with a November 3 London Heathrow to Moscow flight.

"We are looking at around 33,000 passengers on 221 flights over the past four weeks," a BA spokesman has said. "We have set up a special helpline for customers".

British Airways has said it has been advised "the risk to public health is low".

http://www.hemscott.com/news/latest-new ... 4910209369

Radiation found at 12 London locations in Russian spy probe UPDATE
(Updating with quotes, background, details on possible fifth plane)

LONDON (AFX) - British Home Secretary John Reid said that traces of radioactivity had been found at 'around 12' locations in London, as part of the investigation into the death of former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko.

In a statement to lawmakers, he said a total of 24 places were being monitored for possible contamination, and added that a fourth airplane was also being investigated, in addition to three already identified.

'To date, around 24 venues have or are being monitored and experts have confirmed traces of contamination at around 12 of these venues,' he said, giving an update on the alert triggered by Litvinenko's death.

Traces have been found on two British Airways planes grounded at London's Heathrow airport, and Reid said that on one of those planes health authorities believe there is 'no residual public health risk remaining on that plane.'

They are continuing to study the second plane at Heathrow, he said, but also insisted the risk was low.

A third British Airways plane is still being investigated in Moscow, he confirmed.

'BA has decided not to return it to London until the position is clearer. The government is in contact with BA over the next steps,' he told the House of Commons.

In addition a fourth plane, a Boeing 737 leased to Russian private carrier Transaero airlines arrived at Heathrow this morning, he said.

In reply to questions after his statement, Reid said there was one other Russian plane they may be 'interested in'.

'There may be other aeroplanes that we don't at this stage know about,' he added.

Between them, the three BA aircraft initially identified had made 221 flights involving about 33,000 passengers and about 3,000 staff, Reid said in his statement.

'Passengers' details will be collected and the Health Protection Agency will contact any individual if (there are) any matters of concern,' he said, referring to the health body dealing with the scare.
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Postby greencrow0 » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:25 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6159927.stm

This poisoning is looking more and more like another illuminati terror attack.

Note the focus on Planes, and Jolly Olde England.

Note the targetting of an illuminati enemy (Putin).

Note the use of WMD (radiation)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. :shock:

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Holiday travel.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:44 pm

Something scary about planes just before the holiday flying season? Chilly....
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Postby Sweejak » Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:34 pm

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Origins of polonium-210 easy to establish - Yablokov


MOSCOW. Nov 30 (Interfax) - The origins of radioactive polonium-210 can be established easily, leader of the Green Russia ecological party Alexei Yablokov said.

"It is easy to establish where former Federal Security Service (FSB) officer Alexander Litvinenko took polonium-210, there are no technical problems in this," he told Interfax on Thursday.

"These problems are likely to be of a political or journalistic nature," he said.

Litvinenko died in London last week, possibly as a result of polonium isotope poisoning.

Polonium-210 is a rare isotope used in the space industry and in the production of nuclear arms and can be generated only under special conditions in nuclear reactors, he said.

"Traces of polonium-210 poisoning are unique, and experts established that Litvinenko was poisoned with polonium, and the same experts may find out the origins of the substance," Yablokov said.

Polonium and its isotope polonium-210 should not be confused," he said, adding that small quantities of polonium can be found in any human, cigarette and, in general, everywhere.

"When the United Kingdom said that it found polonium in aircraft, that was polonium, rather than its isotope," Yablokov said.

"The half-life of polonium-210 is 138 days, than it disappears and only chemical traces of the substance can be found," he said.

"If the United Kingdom states that polonium-210 was found, they should say the location and the quantity of the substance. Otherwise this is senseless," he said.




Radiation levels normal on Transaero airliners - ministry

MOSCOW. Nov 30 (Interfax) - The Russian Emergency Situations Ministry has not revealed any rise in radiation levels in two Boeing 737 planes operated by Transaero airlines, the Ministry's Information Department told Interfax.

"Ministry experts have checked radiation levels in two Boeing 737 planes at Transferor's request on Thursday. The radiation levels were normal," the Information Department said
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Polonium-210 traces left by contaminated person pose no hazard - expert


MOSCOW. Nov 30 (Interfax-AVN) - The chance of anyone receiving a dangerous doze of Polonium-210 in places visited by a contaminated person is very small, Chemical Security Union President Lev Fyodorov said.

"If Polonium-210 is present in a human, it can be emitted in tiny doses, through sweat, for instance. But a door handle touched by a sick person is not dangerous to other people, of course," he said.

The radioactive substance left with the sweat is unlikely to be a cause of radiation sickness, Fyodorov said.

Contact with a person contaminated with Polonium-210 is undesirable, but not fatally dangerous, a radiation security expert told Interfax-AVN on condition of anonymity.

"Polonium-210 does not leave the human body easily. Only a small amount of the substance leaves the body with sweat and other fluids. Too many conditions must coincide to make these micro-particles hazardous to other people," he said.

Only direct contact with Polonium-210 is of real danger to humans, the expert said.
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Nature.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:39 pm

"These problems are likely to be of a political or journalistic nature," he said.

Ah, yes. Problems of a journalistic nature. Most are.
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Litvinenko named 'Victor Kirov' as his FSV minder in London

Postby non-amnesia » Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:36 pm

Not much information either in the press or the web about this Kirov character who was originally described as an attache at the Russian embassy in London. Litvinenko claimed he was harrasing him.

He does not appear on any official diplomatic lists.

About eight years ago a 'Wiktor Kiroff' was asked to leave his desk in the consular section of the Polish embassy in London where he was described as a link-man in fledgeling negotiations for Polish membership of the EU, after a protracted libel case was settled out of court re a child sex ring allegedly involving former iron curtain spooks and members of the UK 'establishment' with connections to two royal regiments - the blues and royals and the fusiliers. The story got one mention on BBC Newsnight and then faded to obscurity.

Two haughty upper crust knobs who got very upset at the merest mention on UK TV of the collapsed case were the Duke of Westminster (honorary c-in-c of the territorial army at that time) and Brigadier Andrew Parker Bowles (ex of that Camilla). The BBC Newsnight anchorman Jeremy Paxman had to issue a one-liner apology saying nothing had ever been implied by his programme and the case was over and done with.

It would be interesting to see if Victor Kirov and Wiktor Kiroff are one and the same or if this fairly common east european type of name is some sort of code.

FROM Sunday Territorian:

Ex-spy named suspect on deathbed
From correspondents in London
26nov06

quote:
The Sunday Times said Litvinenko, a dissident critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin, named a senior Kremlin agent as the man he believed responsible for targeting him, in his last full interview in hospital, just days before his death Thursday.

He named the agent in charge of monitoring him as "Viktor Kirov". An Anatoly V. Kirov was listed as a diplomat at the Russian embassy in London until late last year, the weekly said.

Litvinenko did not accuse Kirov of direct involvement in his poisoning, but his revelation would reinforce suspicions that he was killed by an assassin with links to state bodies, The Sunday Times said.

"I know that Russian intelligence are monitoring me," Litvinenko told the broadsheet.

"I know I am an active case. I know that the officer in the Russian station here who is in charge of monitoring me is Mr Viktor Kirov. Until he left, (he) was consul in the Russian embassy.

"I know that he is part of the spy trade and among other things, was monitoring my movements."

Anti-terror police had requested that the newspaper hand over its tape of the interview.
endquote

and

quote:
The News of the World said a man cited in a leaked hitlist Scaramella gave Litvinenko was "a 46-year-old trained assassin we can legally name only as Igor," the man's middle name.

Britain's biggest-selling newspaper said he was a veteran of Russia's Spetsnaz special forces at the centre of operations and was understood to be hiding in Italy.
...
Some observers fear that Litvinenko's death could lead to a crisis in relations between London and Moscow.
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Meanwhile The Independent on Sunday said police were probing the possibility that Litvinenko killed himself to discredit Putin.

Concerns over the dissident's deathbead statement which fingered Putin's regime prompted police to check Litvinenko's version of events, the newspaper said.
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from:


http://ntnews.news.com.au/common/story_ ... 02,00.html










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Postby Sweejak » Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:43 pm

You see, the rest of them are not into politics.


They would never go under any other “roof”—even the Kremlin--because they already have one: the Americans. They simply pretend they are loyal to the Kremlin.


http://left.ru/burtsev/ops/petrov_en.phtml

Very well, let me suppose, not assert. The people who organized this con job are: Vladimir Ilyich Filin, Alexei Alexandrovich Likhvintsev and his wife Liusya, that is Liudmila Viktorovna Rozkina, from the former agentura [secret intelligence network]. Then, Yakov Abramovich Kosman, also from agentura, he is now Israeli citizen. Also Alfonso Davidovich, citizen of Venezuela. In the 1970s he studied in the Soviet Union, afterwards in Eastern Germany and, naturally, was recruited. He is now a banker for FARC. It’s a sort of communists guerillas or narco terrorists in Colombia. In short, they all live in Europe: Alfonso in Munich, Vladimir in Switzerland, Alexei with Liusya in England, Yakov in Nice. From there they do their business, I mean, manage it. Alexei and Vladimir have very serious contacts in the Ministry of Defense. They also have associates, kind of junior partners. There is one Valery Nikolaevich Lunev. He lives in Holland and, by the way, is married to Dudaev’s relative Fatima. In their society Lunev is responsible for Tajiks and also for security. He always, should I say, provides radical solutions, regarding the people who stand on their way.


Or take Audrius Butkevicius. In the end of the 1980s he organized armed underground in Lithuania--the Department of National Defense. Do you remember the events of January 1991 at the TV Center in Vilnus, when people were killed? Well, he was responsible for this. At the time he was a double agent, American and ours. For this he was made afterwards the defense minister when Lithuania became independent. Later they fired him and even imprisoned for bribes, but he paid his way out of prison. Now he is in Georgia. Together with Badri Patarkatsishvili he had organized the “revolution of roses” as they called it. Not that eccentric Saakashvili, but they made it. For Audrius revolutions is a kind of hobby.


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Postby Sweejak » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:11 pm

..... or take Alexi Likhvintsev..
In 2005, he and two other co-founders,Anton Surikov, and Alexei Likhvintsev, visited President Bush in the White House. Thereafter he and his partners relocated to Dubai and Europe to escape possible arrest. Surikov is considered a retired officer of the Russian GRU as well as a political scientist who opposes Boris Yeltsin and President Vladimir Putin. He admits a connection to CIA agent Fritz Ermarth, who served on the National Security Council twice and retired in 1998. At a 2003 conference in Geneva, Surikov was accused of being a CIA man. As late as 1999, Ermarth was arranging for guns and money to reach a Chechen group that also sold drugs in Europe. OneRuslan Saidov ( sometimes Yasenev) , also part of the Russian mafia, also works various sides of the street including Saudi Arabia, and was paid by the CIA in 2004 to eliminate an Arab leader in Chechnyua who was likely to move from Chehnya to Iraq. The Russian mafia often works through Alpha Bank, which is probably its subsidiary. That bank has business relationships with Halliburton. In 1995 a huge drug warehouse controlled by the bank was burglarized in Siberia and the burglary was investigated by Russian security police..

http://forwardamerica.blogspot.com/2006 ... ricas.html

Now I don't know what this has to do with Litvenenko but maybe it provides some context. Then again, I think of Alex Constantine's work on the Comair crash
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewt ... ght=comair and can see how when pulling a thread you end up gazing into a unified field theory of dark.
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