Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

[tron]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/new ... gated.html


Bailey added that 666 suspects were alleged to have offended within institutions, which include 154 schools, 75 children's homes and 40 religious establishments.

[RocketMan]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... ign=buffer

250 U.K. Celebs Accused of Child Sex Abuse

LONDON — The extraordinary scale of sexual abuse perpetrated against children by British VIPs was laid bare on Wednesday when officials disclosed that they were investigating allegations against 76 politicians and almost 250 “persons of public prominence.”

Thousands of victims have come forward since police forces launched a series of investigations into child abuse that went unpunished for decades. In total, police are investigating 1,433 suspects as part of inquiries into abuse within institutions or committed by prominent men.

“These astonishing figures starkly underline how child sexual abuse has infiltrated every level of society, from politics to sport and show business,” said Peter Wanless, chief executive of the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children.

The shocking figures are the latest blow to Britain’s reputation. The political, educational, and entertainment spheres have all been accused of allowing a culture of abuse and cover-up to persist despite the horrific human cost.

The public was stunned in 2011 when it was first revealed that Jimmy Savile—a top children’s TV star, DJ, and friend of Margaret Thatcher and the Royal Family—had been accused of hundreds of horrific crimes by boys and girls without ever facing justice in court. Similar stories of powerful men abusing children or young people without fear of prosecution continued to emerge until the government was forced to launch a national inquiry into historic cases of child sex abuse.

The publicity that surrounded the stunning Savile case and growing evidence that the Thatcher government covered up a Westminster pedophile ring has encouraged thousands more victims to come forward and tell the police that they were also abused by people in positions of authority.

“The referrals are increasing on an almost daily basis,” said Chief Constable Simon Bailey, who is overseeing the interconnected police investigations. “The numbers I refer to today are a snapshot in time.”

Of the 1,400 prominent suspects identified, some of whom are dead, 666 were linked to institutions including schools, children’s homes and religious establishments.

More than 250 of the accused men are classed as “persons of public prominence,” including TV stars, musicians, and politicians. Bailey gave no personal details of these men but it is believed that known investigations into named public figures like the politician Sir Cyril Smith, Savile, and pop star Gary Glitter are included on the list.

Child protection officials have told The Daily Beast in recent months that they were prevented from bringing high-profile men to account for decades. Savile is believed to have been one of the visitors to Islington care homes in North London where boys were regularly abused. Liz Davies, a senior social worker in Islington at the time, said she took bundles of evidence to the police only to be told: “I won’t be able to investigate here at Scotland Yard.”
The public outcry in recent years means detectives no longer have any option but to take all allegations seriously, even when the victims say the very same police forces ignored or shut down their claims in the past.

In the case of political figures, like Cyril Smith, there is evidence that senior politicians exerted their influence directly to silence investigations. In many other cases, young victims simply felt their claims would not be believed because their attackers were rich and famous. Of the suspects currently being investigated 135 were TV, film, or radio stars, 43 are from the music industry, and seven are from the world of sport.

Sheila Taylor, CEO of the National Working Group Network, which was set up to tackle child sex abuse, said the horrifying scale of the numbers released on Wednesday proved that there had been a revolution in the way victims had become emboldened to name their attackers.

“This investigation is massive and a testimony to how the attitude to victims is changing—how those who have been victims have previously felt unable to come forward or have done so but not been believed, but now have confidence that they will be believed and listened too,” she said.

As the investigations by 12 police forces continue and a formal inquiry into child abuse and cover-ups prepares to sit later in the year, the horror of Britain’s child abuse problem will be exposed like never before.

[Elvis]

As the investigations by 12 police forces continue and a formal inquiry into child abuse and cover-ups prepares to sit later in the year, the horror of Britain’s child abuse problem will be exposed like never before.

Twelve police forces, a list of names and no arrests? I'm so relieved that a formal inquiry is preparing to "sit" on this.

[RocketMan]

As the investigations by 12 police forces continue and a formal inquiry into child abuse and cover-ups prepares to sit later in the year, the horror of Britain’s child abuse problem will be exposed like never before.

Twelve police forces, a list of names and no arrests? I'm so relieved that a formal inquiry is preparing to "sit" on this.

I'm watching a pretty decent Italian series called 1992 on the corruption scandals of the time and the rise of Berlusconi and Lega Nord and they had a pretty good line which went something like: "If you want to cover up something in Italy you start a parliamentary inquiry into that thing."

Be that as it may, good luck shoving this toothpaste back in the tube. Going to take some forceful, dedicated shoving.

[Elvis]

"If you want to cover up something in Italy you start a parliamentary inquiry into that thing."

Be that as it may, good luck shoving this toothpaste back in the tube. Going to take some forceful, dedicated shoving.

All true.

I'm sure it's just "me" but I got an impulse to re-arrange the words in that last paragraph --

As the investigations by 12 police forces continue and a formal inquiry into child abuse and cover-ups prepares to sit later in the year, the horror of Britain’s child abuse problem will be exposed like never before.

-- and got this:

As the 12 police forces sit by in horror and a year later the inquiry into child abuse prepares the formal cover-ups like before, Britain’s problem of child abuse will continue and never be exposed to investigations.

I hope that will stand as just a bit of wordplay and not a prediction; a breakthrough of some kind does seem to be on the horizon.

[Twyla LaSarc]

With the reputations of so many on the line, who knows?

I would hate to think my musical faves were involved with coersive sex with underage kids, but I knew one bi guy who serviced ziggy stardust at an LA coke party when he was something like 16, and another woman who was part of the Rainbow Grill scene when she was in her teens. Neither thought of sleeping with stars as rape, ala the groupies and plaster casters of the time, and were actually proud of the experience, but it now gives me pause as to the possible heft of the iceberg still submerged...

As i get older and listen to lyrics for the millionth time I hear more. There is a lot of 'classic' rocknroll that is predicated on adult men talking about teenage girls."I eat more chicken any man ever seen". ahhh thanks Jim, and Elvis (sorry Elvis, not aimed at you, hell, I only remember the man as a three hundred pound parody of himself) going after the little sister after the big sister has twigged that he's an asshole.


Perhaps the implosion will take out ASCAP when there is a sudden drop in demand for all those old records...

[Luther Blissett]

Trigger warning, in case this thread isn't a trigger warning itself:

Abuse Survivor: Cops Guarded As I Was Raped
Esther Baker tells Sky News she was sexually abused by different men, with officers sometimes standing guard for the perpetrators.

By Tom Parmenter, Sky News Correspondent

A woman has told Sky News how uniformed police officers stood guard as abusers sexually assaulted her as a young girl.

Waiving her right to anonymity, Esther Baker, 32, spoke exclusively to Sky News about her tormented childhood that saw her sexually abused by men at various locations.

She claimed police officers would stand guard for the perpetrators and on some occasions even joined in the abuse in woodland on Cannock Chase in Staffordshire.

She said: "I got the feeling very much that they were protecting somebody, that they were with one of the men.

"One of them (police officers) I knew from church. There were a few occasions where they would be in uniform, and I kind of knew, I learnt that when they were in uniform that it was going to be a rough night.

"On occasion they would - they would sort of join in," she added.

Ms Baker recalls one police officer apologising to her.

"There was one that I can remember, one of the times I tried to run away and tried to get away from them and he came after me, caught up with me and he was carrying me back to where the rest of them were and he said he was sorry," she said.

From the age of six, Ms Baker was taken to be abused by different men on Cannock Chase, at various properties around Staffordshire and beyond.

Other children were often there and sometimes they were given alcohol: "We were all pretty much the same, same ages, we never spoke, I don't know where they came from, who brought them."

She says the sexual abuse was often filmed and involved men of varying ages from different parts of the country.

She said: "I don't quite know how to explain. I was brought up in a religious household and one thing that kept me so sure that what they were doing was right was that there were references to people, Lords and a judge.

"I picked up on those names, because I thought one of them must have been God because one of them was 'Our Lord'.

"I just thought that they were on God's authority."

Decades on, Ms Baker has now finally decided to speak out and has made the painful decision to approach the police again, who have assured her that her claims will be investigated thoroughly.

She has recently taken part in a series of gruelling video interviews with detectives recounting the abuse.

She decided to speak to Sky News in the hope of finding other victims or the police officers who were involved.

She said: "I would say to the one that was sorry that he knows who these people were and why they were there.

"I need them to fill in the gaps that I just don't know, I need people that were adults then but they couldn't stop it for whatever reason, it is time for them to stop it now."

The other children who were allegedly abused on Cannock Chase may also hold vital information.

Ms Baker added: "I know they are terrified to come forward, I know what they were told, I know what threats were made and I know why they are scared.

"But every one of us that comes forward will hold a different piece of the puzzle. I can't fill it in on my own."

Ms Baker has given the name of one politician to the police and a detailed account of the years of abuse.

She said: "I always swore I would never go near the police again - never ... but I have hid it for 20 years, that has not worked, that hasn't taken the fear away - I have got nothing to lose anymore."

Ms Baker has ongoing support from the Lantern Project on Merseyside who work with survivors of sexual abuse.

:: Anyone who has concerns about a child or wants advice can contact the NSPCC for free 24 hours a day, by calling 0808 800 5000, or emailing help@nspcc.org.uk.

[semper occultus]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... ather.html

[Seamus OBlimey]

Jimmy Savile: critics hail Alistair McGowan's role as 'revolting' DJ

By Tim Masters
Arts and entertainment correspondent

Alistair McGowan has won critical praise for his performance in the controversial new play An Audience With Jimmy Savile.
One reviewer said McGowan was "riveting" and "revolting" in the role of the shamed DJ and sex offender.
Jonathan Maitland's play at north London's Park Theatre is the first drama to tackle the Savile scandal and has faced questions over its timing.
Maitland told the BBC the critical verdict had been "extraordinary".
Speaking after the opening night, the investigative TV reporter and playwright said he had "never had any doubt" about the timing of the play.
"I'm a journalist and I'm not afraid of difficult subject matter," he said.
"If the play is decent and enough people think it's good, then the timing becomes irrelevant. The victims think it's not too soon, it's too late."
Several of Savile's victims have seen the play, with one telling Sky News about feeling "quite unwell" watching McGowan's performance.
Maitland said he understood the play might be traumatic for Savile's victims. "It's difficult because I really don't want to cause anybody distress, but they are adults and if they make the decision to go and see it, I respect that.

"They know it might be traumatic, but there's undoubtedly a catharsis that they get out of it."
Sources close to the production say there is interest in transferring the play to the West End. A percentage of the profits are going to the National Association for People Abused in Childhood.
Since his death in 2011, it has emerged Savile was one of the UK's most prolific sexual predators.
Set in 1991, Maitland's play is presented as a This Is Your Life-style show and draws on transcripts of interviews, witness statements and official reports. It features the parallel storyline of a woman who was raped by Savile as a child in hospital.
The Mail's Quentin Letts admitted he had doubts about whether Savile was "fruitful material" for a theatre production.
"Having seen the show I unhesitatingly say this dramatisation is entirely justified — indeed, it is necessary," he wrote in a four-star review.
"Here is drama taking a topical subject and asserting its right to comment pungently on an all-too-recent scandal. That is an entirely legitimate function for theatre."

In a three-star review for Whatsonstage.com, Matt Trueman said: "McGowan lets you see Savile anew, as a set of traits and tics, not an eccentric or a ogre, and it's that enacted impersonation that justifies Maitland turning journalism into drama.
"Is there a tendency to read everything he does as covering up for his paedophilia? Yes, and Brendan O'Hea's production is weaker when it strays into fiction, where Lucy's subplot can feel too generic, but this is an illuminating evening nonetheless."
The Independent's Paul Taylor said in his four-star review that the casting of McGowan as Savile was a "smart move".
"It arouses expectations of a likeable comic impression and so heightens the chilling glimpses we get of the intimidating thug under the clown persona that so calculatedly harnessed 'the power of odd'.
"The menacing assertiveness and the name-dropping megalomania in McGowan's portrayal make is easier to understand how Savile got away with it."
The play itself did not impress The Telegraph's Ben Lawrence who awarded two stars. "The problem is that the play is all exposition, a detailed explanation of events (as far as we know them) that is completely lacking in drama," he wrote.
"Initially it looked as if McGowan would stay close to the surface, but slowly he teases out a riveting, revolting performance that is by far the best thing of the evening."
Marianka Swain, writing for The Arts Desk, said the play offered responsible reconstruction, but minimal drama.

"As Savile, McGowan performs a skin-crawling conjuring trick," she observed. "We become sickeningly complicit as the skilled entertainer charms and disarms, until his underlying brutality and foul-mouthed misogyny are revealed, notably in a riveting verbatim police interview."
While TheatreCat's Libby Purves was struck by a scene in which Savile victim Lucy (Leah Whitaker) confronts Savile in his home.
"What happens next sends the whole audience into shock. And, I think, justifies what Maitland has done. Because for all the millions of words since, for all the smashing of his tombstone and the humiliation of his grand apologists, we'll get no other closure."

An Audience With Jimmy Savile is at the Park Theatre, Finsbury Park, until 11 July.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33107444

[Iamwhomiam]

Now they're selling theater tickets! Infukingcredible.

[cptmarginal]

Necessary background: viewtopic.php?p=539948#p539948

Now:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ji ... ne-5878177

Jimmy Savile had love affair with 21-stone King of Cornets accused of abusing young boys

13 June 2015 - By Jonathan Corke

Child sex predator Jimmy Savile had a twisted love affair with a 21-stone ice cream magnate accused of abusing young boys.

According to previously unseen police intelligence reports: “Savile had a sexual relationship with Peter Jaconelli”.

They were suspected of being involved in the abuse of 35 young victims as part of a paedophile ring but never faced justice.

The police file says that the late Jaconelli – ­nicknamed King of the Cornets – enticed young boys into his ice cream parlour by throwing cash at them.

It states: “Jaconelli would sexually touch the young boys in a scramble for the money.”

Another intelligence report refers to Savile being a “close associate” of “suspected child abuser” Jaconelli, ­considered untouchable by many victims due to his role as mayor of Scarborough in the 1970s and powerful contacts.

The North Yorkshire Police reports raise further questions over whether Savile, believed to have abused more than 450 victims, could have been stopped and brought to justice before he died aged 84 in 2011.


Plot: Savile's Scarborough grave

Surrey, Sussex and the Met police forces missed chances to arrest him or failed to properly investigate him.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission will soon release a report on how the force handled information from a 15-year-old girl in 2002 regarding Savile.

The watchdog’s report will also examine how it treated allegations made by a prison inmate about Jaconelli in December 2008 and January 2009.

As well as running his vast ice cream business, “pillar of the community” Glasgow-born Jaconelli was mayor and chairman of North Yorkshire’s planning committee.

He was once pictured with then Tory Prime Minister Edward Heath on a visit.

In 1970 he entered the ­Guinness Book of Records for downing 512 oysters in 48 minutes and 42 seconds.


Guinness Book: Setting oyster record in 1970

He died aged 73 in 1999 and a police report suggests that the day before his funeral the church had the words “Peter sex case” daubed on it.

It is feared he and Savile were part of a wider paedophile ring in the town.

Savile had a home there and was buried in the same cemetery as Jaconelli after his death in 2011.

Savile’s headstone, which has since been removed, included the chilling epitaph: “It was good while it lasted.”

North Yorkshire Police recently admitted that, if alive, both men would likely have faced abuse charges.


Powerful: Jaconelli meets PM Heath

Following a probe last year, the force said 35 people had come forward claiming to have been sexually abused or raped by Jaconelli or Savile. Two claimed they were abused by both.

Assistant chief constable Paul Kennedy admitted: “Information indicates that, historically, the police missed opportunities to look into allegations against these men while they were still alive.”

The intelligence report referring to their gay relationship is one of three which mention the Jim’ll Fix It star. Summaries are contained in a heavily censored 27-page report the Sunday Mirror has obtained under Freedom of Information laws.

One reveals how police were told “in the 60s and 70s Jimmy Savile had a flat on Esplanade where he took girls of all ages”.

It adds: “People thought it was normal as he was a pop star.” A summary of the third report claims: “Savile was a close associate of Peter Jaconelli (deceased)... a prominent Scarborough businessman and suspected child abuser.”

It goes on to say that Savile “would regularly use taxis and frequented” a venue which police have blacked out.

After revelations about his abuse emerged in 2012, investigators asked all forces to provide details of reports and allegations received prior to the ­Operation Yewtree investigation.

None of the reports were made known to Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary when it launched an investigation into potential police failings over Savile.

An internal review found o­rganisational failure but “no evidence of misconduct”. The force says it has now passed the intelligence to Yewtree detectives.

We asked the force for the dates when the intelligence reports were received, but it said we would have to submit a further FOI request. It took five months to respond to our earlier request.

Jaconelli’s nephew Dennis, 63, said: “Peter Jaconelli is not here to defend himself, but we have to have confidence in what the police are saying – it is shocking and traumatic.

“If he did do anything like this it would be despicable, but it was certainly not obvious to us.”

Paedo's long-lasting link to seaside town

Savile had a home in Scarborough and was buried there in 2011.

Savile’s links to the seaside town are said to have started in his childhood. And after his dad’s death in the 1950s he bought his mother Agnes a three-bedroom flat on the Esplanade.

Pictures from the 1960s show him drinking tea in the flat in his dressing gown, with Agnes – or “The Duchess” as he called her – in the background.

And in July 1967 he was pictured in the centre of a large group of schoolgirls from Woodlands Special School in the town. There is no suggestion Savile abused any girls at Woodlands.

According to intelligence passed to police, the pervert is said to have taken “girls of all ages” to the flat in the 60s and 70s.

The TV presenter and DJ, whose main home was 70 miles away in Leeds, is said to have turned the flat into a “shrine” to his mother after she died in 1972.

Following his death the flat was sold for £170,000. And after claims of his abuse were made on TV in 2012 his £4,000 headstone was removed.

Plans have been drawn up to exhume his body from the cemetery, a footpath sign commemorating Savile was taken down and a plaque outside the flat removed after “paedophile” was written on it.

Nobody need even attempt to justify the redaction, yet again

[Iamwhomiam]

Assistant chief constable Paul Kennedy admitted: “Information indicates that, historically, the police missed opportunities to look into allegations against these men while they were still alive.”

The police never missed an opportunity to participate, ffs. And they were indeed warned off to go no further with their investigations, unwritten oral orders that always came down from "above."

[coffin_dodger]

Lord Janner 'abused children in Parliament', claims MP BBC News 23 Jun 2015

Lord Janner has been accused in Parliament of being a serial abuser who attacked children inside the Palace of Westminster.

Labour MP Simon Danczuk said police had told him they wanted to bring 22 historical charges against Lord Janner, dating between 1969 and 1988.

<snip>
He said that a "trial of the facts" would allow the victims to tell their stories, but he said the DPP had said that would not be in the public interest.

"Personally I fail to see how the knowledge that a peer of the realm is a serial child abuser is not in the public interest," the MP added.
<snip>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33243782

Janner is proper protected.

[zangtang]

the loyalty of these people amazes - unless of course tis not loyalty but
fear - of incrimination by way of mutually assured blackmail

or, god forbid, mutual fealty as obliged by oaths to some secret fraternal set-up

- Would anybody know of such a fratenal order, probably ceremonial and charitable on the surface,
that obligates its members to protect their fellow 'brothers'.....if there was such a thing?

Just wondered if thats got anything to do with why some people would protect other people who
as recidivists repeatedlly & quite obviously with impunity fiddle with/interfere, abuse, rape and
- it is becoming crystal fucking clear - KILL children.

Given that this is a murky picture all round i presume its important that i add the proviso that in
this case there is no suggestion whatsoever & I am not implying Lord janner kills the children he allegedly abuses and/or rapes,
even if said children do actually end up dead.

[Searcher08]

the loyalty of these people amazes - unless of course tis not loyalty but
fear - of incrimination by way of mutually assured blackmail

I remember the story of a Bonesman who had written a truly scalding autobiography, which unflinchingly laid bare his domestic violence, alcoholism and brutality and yet was totally silent on S&B, and when questioned about this said he would rather die than reveal anything about it.

or, god forbid, mutual fealty as obliged by oaths to some secret fraternal set-up

Suppose you set up a Secret Society (perhaps even with good values / intentions!) and think it would be a good idea to have people take an oath to each other above all other things - what happens when you discover that one of your most important persons is a child abuser? Do you tank the whole organisation for the sake of one person's "preferences"?

- Would anybody know of such a fratenal order, probably ceremonial and charitable on the surface,
that obligates its members to protect their fellow 'brothers'.....if there was such a thing?

S&B and I'm sure many others.
AFAIK Masonry doesnt say above ALL others - the Family and God I believe are above it.

Just wondered if thats got anything to do with why some people would protect other people who
as recidivists repeatedlly & quite obviously with impunity fiddle with/interfere, abuse, rape and
- it is becoming crystal fucking clear - KILL children.

Do they think, "Yes, Jimmy is a problem, but look at the 'Bigger Picture' He takes a lot but look at what we get from him"

Given that this is a murky picture all round i presume its important that i add the proviso that in
this case there is no suggestion whatsoever & I am not implying Lord janner kills the children he allegedly abuses and/or rapes,
even if said children do actually end up dead.

Personally, I think Savile was a Left Hand Path Adept, who consciously decided that he would break every taboo of civilised society at every sphere imaginable. Having sex with the decomposing corpse of your own mother I suggest indicates a person not to messed around. Offing kids would have been nothing to him.
I contend that Savile will have to have *early on* established his connectivity to power, being ultraviolent - and the management of that reputation.