Nuclear Meltdown Watch

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Peachtree Pam » Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:17 am

Tazmic or StarmanSkye or anyone else - does all this have to be done BEFORE the cement can be applied?

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/82578.html

FOCUS: Several months may be needed to cool down crippled Fukushima reactors

By Atsuko Kawaguchi
TOKYO, April 1, Kyodo

Work to regain control of Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has hardly been making headway, even showing signs it may turn out to be a long-haul battle. Managing to bring the reactors to a stable condition is essential in order to curb the proliferation of radioactive materials that have been a source of concern for the nation.

In reaching that goal, three steps are vital -- removing contaminated water at the turbine buildings of the Nos. 1 to 4 reactors, followed by bringing the cooling systems into operation and then cooling down the reactors for shutdown.

Experts anticipate complicated challenges, suggesting it may take months to reach the goal of cold shutdown.

The top priority at this moment is the handling of a large volume of water containing radioactive substances. Bundles of power system devices are located in the basements of the turbine buildings which have remained filled with such water. This is one of the most critical locations in restoring power necessary to cool down the reactors and spent fuel pools in a stable manner.

Unless the contaminated water is removed, work cannot be implemented efficiently.

A large volume of contaminated water has also been found in trenches outside the turbine buildings. Placing priority on disposal of water inside the buildings, rather than the trenches, TEPCO has initiated work to move the water to equipment called condensers but with at least one already filled up, additional steps to move the water from it to a tank are necessary to make room, costing TEPCO more time and effort.

Furthermore, it remains unknown how much water there is in all, making it difficult to estimate if the tanks available around the buildings are enough. Various proposals have been floated to accommodate the water such as getting a large tanker vessel, excavating a huge hole in the ground and installing new tanks. None, however, appears to be a promising idea for implementation.

Hidehiko Nishiyama, a Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry official in charge of nuclear safety, suggested Thursday the idea of recycling the stagnant water, saying, ''I wonder if we can move water (into the reactor) to circulate it for cooling down.'' Whether it is a feasible idea remains unknown.

Hiroaki Koide, assistant professor in reactor engineering at Kyoto University, said ''transportation by tanker is realistic'' but ''it would probably have to be done repeatedly and require months.''

Meanwhile, off-site power has been connected to the Nos. 1 to 4 reactor buildings and light has been restored at their central control rooms. If the contaminated water is removed, power system devices can be reinstated, paving the way for the next step. What has to be achieved foremost in this context is to bring internal cooling systems on-stream that will make it possible to cool the reactors and spent fuel pools stably.

This process, too, is shrouded in uncertainty. TEPCO says it has been unable to confirm directly what conditions are like in the basements of the turbine buildings but it is believed many devices have been immersed in water and therefore compromised.

TEPCO says damaged devices will be fixed with new parts and by rebuilding power systems it will continue work toward rebooting cooling systems. But it is believed that rapid restoration is unlikely for those devices affected by a large volume of water.

Apparently aware of such a possibility, TEPCO is also considering restoring the cooling systems through another method such as using pumps to feed seawater, in addition to work centering on restoring power at the turbine buildings.

Yet it also remains unpredictable if the cooling systems would work smoothly after power is restored. There remains a strong possibility that damage has been done to piping and pumps. Considerable time would have to be spent for their replacement and inspection.

Kenji Sumita, professor emeritus in nuclear engineering at Osaka University, said until the cooling systems are reactivated ''spraying water has to continue so that the temperature may not rise.'' A balancing act will likely be required as dousing the reactor and fuel facilities could increase the amount of contaminated water.

''If water is sprayed continuously, the heat from radioactive decay should gradually drop,'' Sumita said. ''At this stage, this type of stopgap arrangement has to be made.''

''It is necessary to anticipate that at least several months would be needed'' to achieve cold shutdowns of the reactors, he said.

At a news conference on Thursday, top government spokesman Yukio Edano said, ''We want to present a roadmap (for containing the crisis) as soon as possible but we are not yet at the stage to make such a report in a responsible manner.''

No clear chart appears to have been mapped out as officials still struggle their way toward restoration.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Peachtree Pam » Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:57 am

Video just up on google of the damage to interior of No 4 reactor

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... plant.html
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby tazmic » Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:58 am

Peachtree Pam wrote:does all this have to be done BEFORE the cement can be applied?

I don't know, I expect so. It appears to be quite a messy fix - the 'Chernobyl solution'.

“It’s just not that easy,” said Prof Murray Jennex, an expert at San Diego State University in California. “They [reactors] are kind of like a coffee maker. If you leave them on the heat, they boil dry and then they crack. Putting concrete on that wouldn’t help keep your coffee maker safe. But eventually, yes, you could build a concrete shield and be done with it.”
The cost and difficulty of a “Chernobyl solution” is increased by the need to reinforce the floors of the reactors.
At Chernobyl, mines had to be dug under the plant to inject a layer of concrete to stop the core melting into the ground. If this happened it would explode when it hit the water table.
The preferred option for Tokyo Electric Power would be to bring the reactors under control and then dismantle them. This would mean the damaged reactor cores would be put into cold storage and the plant mothballed. This is what happened after the Three Mile Island accident in Pennsylvania in 1979 and it is considered a cheaper and safer option.
It also means that there would be no need for an exclusion zone around the plant as there is at Chernobyl as the most dangerous radioactive material would be safely removed.

http://www.eutimes.net/2011/03/japan-nuclear-crisis-scientists-consider-burying-fukushima-in-a-chernobyl-sarcophagus/

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/asia-pacific/japan-edges-closer-to-chernobyl-solution-burying-radioactive-reactors-a-last-resort/article1947022/?service=mobile
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:39 am

Crews 'Facing 100-Year Battle' at Fukushima
by David Mark and Mark Willacy
A nuclear expert has warned that it might be 100 years before melting fuel rods can be safely removed from Japan's Fukushima nuclear plant.

Fukushima Nuclear Plant -- Handout photo taken by a camera attached to the tip of the arm of a concrete squeeze pump shows inside the broken building housing the No. 4 reactor of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station in Fukushima Prefecture on March 24, 2011. Steam is seen rising from around a fuel-handling crane (top L, green). The pump's 50-meter arm has been used to pour water into the spent fuel pool of the reactor as part of efforts to get the crippled plant under control. (Photo courtesy of Tokyo Electric Power Co.)
The warning came as levels of radioactive iodine flushed into the sea near the plant spiked to a new high and the Wall Street Journal said it had obtained disaster response blueprints which said the plant's operators were woefully unprepared for the scale of the disaster.

Water is still being poured into the damaged reactors to cool melting fuel rods.

But one expert says the radiation leaks will be ongoing and it could take 50 to 100 years before the nuclear fuel rods have completely cooled and been removed.

"As the water leaks out, you keep on pouring water in, so this leak will go on for ever," said Dr John Price, a former member of the Safety Policy Unit at the UK's National Nuclear Corporation.

"There has to be some way of dealing with it. The water is connecting in tunnels and concrete-lined pits at the moment and the question is whether they can pump it back.

"The final thing is that the reactors will have to be closed and the fuel removed, and that is 50 to 100 years away.

"It means that the workers and the site will have to be intensely controlled for a very long period of time."

But Laurence Williams, Professor of Nuclear Safety at England's University of Central Lancashire and the former head nuclear regulator for the UK, is relatively comfortable with the situation.

"I have been monitoring it for the last couple of weeks and [the] three reactors seem to be more or less unchanged from initially when they got into the seawater flowing into them," he said.

"We don't know exactly the state of the fuel in those reactors but looking at the data, the pressures and temperatures look fairly stable over the last couple of weeks.

"My view is that as there hasn't been any sort of major catastrophic release of radioactivity, if they can continue to get the fresh water into the reactors and cool them, the decay heat is now fairly stabilising.

"It will take some time before it disappears but so far, so good. But it will take some time to bring under control."

Both experts agree capping the damaged reactors with concrete is not an option.

Meanwhile the Wall Street Journal says it has obtained disaster-readiness plans which show the facility only had one satellite phone and a single stretcher in case of an accident.

The blueprints also provided no detail about the possibility of using firefighters from Tokyo or national troops - both of which have been part of the response to the Fukushima crisis - to deal with any disaster.

Levels of radioactive iodine-131 in the Pacific off the plant have been recorded at a new high of 4,385 times the legal limit.

In 2002, the plant's operator TEPCO admitted to falsifying safety reports, leading to all of its 17 boiling water reactors being shut down for inspection.

TEPCO has already vowed to dismantle the four reactors at the centre of the world's worst atomic accident in 25 years, but now Japanese prime minister Naoto Kan says the Fukushima plant must be scrapped.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby crikkett » Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:21 am

23 wrote:The 190,000-pound pump, made by Germany-based Putzmeister has a 70-meter boom and can be controlled remotely, making it suitable for use in the unpredictable and highly radioactive environment of the doomed nuclear reactors in Japan, he said.


My inner preteen is just bowled over by the stupid name putzmeister.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby brekin » Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:04 pm

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This article addresses something that has been bugging me since the reactor problems
in Japan started. Basically, "Where are the robots?"

I always thought Japan led the world in Robotic technology and this situation
seems to be tailor made for robot intervention to spare human life and exposure
in a highly hazardous environment for information gathering and repair.

After decades of robotic propaganda turns out all that robots can do in a high
radiation chaotic situation like this
is to be well meaning but probably useless bystanders.

Interestingly the robots on the scene are from an American company.
And the article ends with the hope that more rugged and sophisticated robots
will be developed down the road to help clean up and work in similar environments
in the future.

Yay, march of progress.

Robots to the Rescue in Japan

http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/37164/page1/

Last week, U.S.-based iRobot sent four robots to help with recovery efforts at the Fukushima nuclear power plant, damaged as the result of a 9 magnitude earthquake and tsunami on March 11.

Workers' efforts to bring the plant's reactors under control have been hampered by high radiation levels, and it is hoped the robots could help inspect and even repair parts of the reactors by working in areas too dangerous for humans.

iRobot sent four robots to Japan: two lightweight, portable robots called PackBots (costing around $100,000 each), and two large, heavy-duty robots called Warriors, expected to be on sale this summer. The PackBots, which weigh about 60 pounds, use caterpillar tracks to get around and a long extendable arm with a camera and a gripper on the end; they are already used by the U.S. military for bomb disposal. The Warrior weighs 350 pounds and has a large robotic gripper at the end of a two-meter-long arm capable of lifting up to 200 pounds. It is many times stronger than the PackBot, says Tim Trainer, vice president of operations at iRobot.

"We don't know whether these will be used for search and rescue purposes or for efforts at the nuclear plant—that is for the Japanese to determine," says Trainer. The robots rely on a human controller. All four have been equipped with fiber-optic tethers for communication, in case radio signals don't work in the plant's highly radioactive environment. An iRobot team is currently in Japan and has trained operators to use the robots. The robots can act as "eyes and ears in a hazardous environment, to keep a human operator safe," says Trainer.


Most commercial robots are not designed to be used in this kind of environment.

Max Lungarella, a roboticist at the Artificial Intelligence Lab at the University of Zurich in Switzerland, and chief technology officer at Dynamic Devices, says mobile rescue robots—the kinds typically used in the field for surveillance or rescue—have sensors that are not well protected from radiation. He says it would be trickier to operate them without radio communications, which often are noisy during a disaster.

Lungarella adds that constructing robots designed to withstand high levels of radiation would be difficult. "For radiated environments, one needs robots that are particularly rugged," he says. "Such robots typically are rather large, slow, have only a few CPUs and sensors."

Some experts also question how helpful robots would be after a nuclear plant disaster. Something as simple as a locked door could prevent a robot from doing its job.

"I think the best things robots can be used for right now is to gain information that rescue workers otherwise would not have unless they expose themselves to unnecessary risk and danger," says Howie Choset, a roboticist at Carnegie Mellon University who has developed several search-and-rescue robots. When cameras at the nuclear plants fail, he says, "going in and getting that situational awareness is of paramount importance". But performing manipulation tasks—even something as simple as opening a door—would be "many orders of magnitude more difficult," Choset adds.

Nonetheless, in France, the Group Intra is developing a fleet of robots designed to help at nuclear plants by measuring radiation and observing in situations when people cannot.

Michael Golay, a professor of nuclear science and engineering at MIT, says that, although electric power has been restored to the Fukushima site, workers with handheld instruments and flashlights have to assess which areas have been contaminated. "This is the kind of thing you could use a robot to do," he says.

But Golay says it's far likelier that robots will be used during the cleanup than during the critical stages of an accident, and believes robots could help long-term in Japan. After Three Mile Island, fuel was taken out of the reactor and transferred to shipping casks. "I imagine in Japan they'll do something similar. They're not going to want to leave all of this radioactive material like at Chernobyl," he says. "This cleanup is likely to go on for more than a decade. Robotic capabilities that don't exist today could be brought into being in time to be useful."

Trainer says there are great opportunities for robotics in dirty and dangerous missions. "Our robots are designed for unimproved and austere environments," he says. "They are able to climb over debris and climb up stairs and negotiate different situations."
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby brekin » Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:10 pm

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This article seems to have examined the question in a little more depth...

Can Japan Send In Robots To Fix Troubled Nuclear Reactors?

http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robo ... r-reactors

When it comes to robots, Japan is a superpower, with some of the world's most advanced robotic systems and the highest levels of industrial automation. So it makes sense to ask: Why can't Japan use robots to fix the damaged reactors at the Fukushima Dai-1 nuclear power plant?

Many people have wondered about this possibility, and there's been a lot of speculation and confusion. One news report even slammed Japan for lacking nuclear-disaster robots.

I'd be the first to shout, "Send in the robots!" if it were clear that robots could help in this case. But things aren't that simple. To understand what robots can and cannot do at Fukushima, I spoke to several experts. Here's what they say.

Can Japan send robots into the reactors to repair them?

It'd be a difficult mission. To understand why, let's first take a quick look at the alarming situation at the Fukushima plant. One of the biggest problems is that the reactors and spent-fuel pools have lost -- and and may be continuing to lose -- cooling water. To make things worse, the earthquake and tsunami, and subsequent fires and explosions, may have damaged the reactor vessels, spent-fuel pools, and cooling and control systems, as well as the buildings that house them.

So if you wanted to send in robots, the first challenge is getting around inside the buildings. "The problem of mobility includes not only rough terrain but also gaps and obstacles," says Satoshi Tadokoro, an IEEE Fellow and professor of robotics at Tohoku University, in Sendai. "The path might have obstacles that a human could remove but most robots can't."

Dennis Hong, a roboticist at Virginia Tech, says researchers are constantly developing new ways of traversing difficult terrain -- using wheels, legs, tracks, wheel-leg hybrids, and other approaches -- but still, "a site like these reactors, where debris is scattered with tangled steel beams and collapsed structures, is a very, very challenging environment."

But what about robots designed for difficult terrain, like search-and-rescue robots and those bomb disposal robots used in Iraq and Afghanistan?


There are many robots capable of negotiating rough terrain, steep inclines, and even stairs. Indeed, as we've reported earlier, Japan might use these robots in rescue and recovery operations. But there exist countless other obstacles -- as simple as a closed door, for example -- that could be hard for most mobile robots to overcome, says Henrik Christensen, a professor of robotics at Georgia Tech, in Atlanta.

What's more, he says, the robots would have to be remote controlled by human operators, and communication is another challenge. Relying on wireless transmissions is tricky because the reactors have thick concrete walls and lots of metal around. An alternative would be using a tether, but the trade-off is you lose range and mobility. "Even with a fiber-optic tether it is very hard have a range longer than 2 kilometers, so they would have to deploy people to be close by to operate the vehicle," says Prof. Christensen.

What if the path inside the reactor is more or less clear for a robot -- what other challenges exist?

The biggest one is radiation, which can damage microchips and sensors, and also corrupt data (bits) in semiconductors [read "Radiation Hardening 101: How To Protect Nuclear Reactor Electronics" to understand why radiation damages electronics]. So if you'd want your robot to last long enough for a complex mission, it would need not only radiation-hardened electronics but also lots of heavy shielding.

The result is that if you try to build a robot that can overcome all the challenges described above (mobility, communication, radiation), you'll end up with a machine that is big and slow, as Dr. Robin Murphy, director of the Center for Robot-Assisted Search and Rescue (CRASAR) at Texas A&M University, in College Station, explains:

So in some sense you need a dinosaur robot -- big, beefy, slow, and stupid (as in few processors) -- and even then it’s just a matter of time before enough radiation fries something important… You don’t know how long you’ve got.

In the end, even if the robots can survive the radiation and reach the right places, they'd have to be capable of performing complex tasks like opening and closing valves, activating pumps, or handling hoses to deliver the cooling water.

The problem is that there are no commercial or research robots designed to carry out a mission like that. Any attempt involving robots would require a lot of improvisation, and this being a nuclear crisis, and this being Japan, authorities will probably be very conservative in their actions.

What about an agile humanoid robot that can walk on rubble, operate heavy machinery, and endure fires and radiation, Terminator-style?

You're watching too much TV. Even Japan, which has built the world's most advanced humanoid robots, doesn't have anything remotely close to that. Humanoid robots, despite their recent advances, are still research projects. They can walk, run, climb stairs, dance, and perform dexterous manipulations. But they can't fix nuclear reactors.

But there must be something robots can do at Fukushima?


There's plenty robots can do -- and are already doing. Perhaps the most important job at the moment is monitoring radiation. Dangerous levels of radiation prevent emergency personnel from accessing the buildings, so we need robots that act as our eyes in and around them. Only by gauging the damage can authorities devise effective plans to control the situation.

Prof. Tadokoro says there's already at least one robot on site equipped with cameras and sensors to measure gamma and neutron radiation [see photo above]. (The authorities are also measuring radiation with non-robotics methods, of course, on the ground and using airplanes and helicopters in Fukushima and elsewhere.)

Developed by the Japan Atomic Energy Research Institute after a nuclear accident at a fuel processing facility in Tokai in 1999, the tank-like robot is 1.5 meters tall and weighs in at 600 kilograms. The robot moves at about 40 meters per minute and can operate at a distance of 1.1 km from its controller. Researchers designed this robot for several missions, including opening doors, turning valves, and drilling a hole on pipes. These capabilities could be useful inside the Fukushima reactors, but it all depends on whether the robot would be able to navigate inside treacherous spaces.

Tadokoro adds that if it becomes necessary to spray more water on the reactors from the outside, and if using manned trucks is too dangerous for a human crew, Japan has developed several firefighting robots that could shoot water on the buildings. The only problem is that these robots were not designed to withstand radiation, so they'd have to be fitted with shielding. He says it's not clear whether firefighting robots are present at Fukushima at this time.

Japan has sent out a request for more robots to the international community. The Japanese authorities apparently plan to use robots for gaining visual access of areas near the reactors and removing rubble and other clean-up operations. iRobot has sent PackBots and Warriors ground robots at Japan's request. France has apparently offered robots, too.

What about flying robots to peek inside the buildings?


Both Georgia Tech's Christensen and Virginia Tech's Hong suggest using unmanned aerial vehicles, or UAVs, to generate imagery. "I am very surprised they have not used this option to provide better live footage from the site," Christensen says. "UAVs could be used to generate information from close range without risking lives."

The U.S. military has reportedly sent a Global Hawk drone to peek at the reactors from above, and there's talk of sending unmanned helicopters as well. But again, the Japanese authorities will probably be conservative in their choices, preferring not to fly a UAV that could crash and make things worse.

Robots fixed the BP oil leak in the Gulf. Why can't they do the same here? Does the nuclear industry use robots anyway?

The nuclear industry does use robots, and newer plants have higher levels of automation, but you won't see robots running around doing chores. Robots are typically used in reprocessing plants, where spent fuel is recycled. The robots are not really autonomous machines; they are teleoperated robotic arms to handle highly radioactive materials.

Dr. Gerd Hirzinger, director of the Institute of Robotics and Mechatronics, part of DLR, the German Aerospace Center in Wessling, says that in the 1960s, Germany did a lot of work on teleoperated manipulators for the nuclear power industry, but when plans for a central German reprocessing plant were suddenly killed in 1989 (the government decided to do reprocessing at a French plant), robot development stopped and roboticists shifted their focus to other areas. "But I agree that we should have a mature and highly reliable teleoperation technology for all nuclear plants," he says.

In deepwater oil exploration, the tools used to assemble the riser pipes, wellheads, and other equipment are designed for the robotic hands of remotely operated vehicles, or ROVs, not for human hands. These underwater robots, in other words, act as telepresence systems for human operators. This approach never became part of the nuclear industry, though some argue it should. AI pioneer Marvin Minsky called for this type of technology more than 30 years ago:

Three Mile Island really needed telepresence. I am appalled by the nuclear industry's inability to deal with the unexpected. We all saw the absurd inflexibility of present day technology in handling the damage and making repairs to that reactor. [...] The big problem today is that nuclear plants are not designed for telepresence. Why? The technology is still too primitive. Furthermore, the plants aren't even designed to accommodate the installation of advanced telepresence when it becomes available. A vicious circle!

But people have used robots in other nuclear emergencies, no?

Yes. Carnegie Mellon roboticist William "Red" Whittaker developed ground robots that have been to the nuclear disaster sites at Three Mile Island, in the United States, and Chernobyl, in Ukraine. The robots helped by capturing images of the sites and monitoring radiation, but they couldn't do much more than that.

Why did Japan have to ask foreign companies, like U.S. firm iRobot, to send robots rather than use some of their own?

Due to post-World War II regulations, Japanese robot makers can't export military robots. For this reason, Japanese robots haven't been tested in real conditions as extensively as U.S. robots like iRobot's PackBot and Foster-Miller's Talon, both used in Iraq and Afghanistan, have.

What's more, Japan's wireless regulation is very strict, limiting the power output of transmissions, even during emergencies, compared to what is allowed in the United States.

Will the nuclear industry invest in disaster robots now?

I hope so, but there's reason for skepticism. The nuclear industry never embraced robots like the auto industry or the oil and gas industry because it didn't make economical sense. Auto makers use robots because they help make cars cheaper; the oil industry uses ROVs because that's the only way they can get to deepwater reserves. The nuclear industry never had the incentive to adopt robots on the same scale.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby 23 » Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:51 pm

You Canadiens certainly know how to be optimistic.

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:45 pm

Airliner makes emergency landing in Midwest — Four passengers being held in sterile room
April 1st, 2011 at 07:03 PM

Jetliner makes emergency landing after passengers faint, CNN, April 1, 2011:
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/01/je ... ers-faint/

An American Airlines 737 jetliner with 134 passengers aboard made an emergency landing in Dayton, Ohio, Friday morning after passengers became ill and at least two fainted, CNN affiliates in Dayton reported.

Shortly after American Flight 547 left Reagan National Airport in Washington bound for Chicago, two flight attendants reported feeling dizzy, WDTN reported, citing American spokesman Tim Smith. Pilots dropped oxygen masks in the cabin, but at least two and as many as four passengers fainted, according to the CNN affiliate reports.
http://www.whiotv.com/news/27396144/detail.html


Six passengers received medical treatment after getting off the plane in Dayton and two were taken to a hospital, WHIO reported. It said the remaining passengers were being held in a sterile room in the Dayton airport. …

Read the report here.

FLASHBACK: Fukushima Forecast: Radioactive particles to be concentrated over Midwestern US on April 1, 2 (VIDEO)
http://enenews.com/fukushima-forecast-r ... -1-2-video


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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:47 pm

URGENT: Gov't eyes injecting nitrogen into reactor vessels to prevent blasts

TOKYO, April 1, Kyodo

The government and Tokyo Electric Power Co. are considering injecting nitrogen into containment vessels of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant's reactors to prevent hydrogen explosions, government sources said Friday.

==Kyodo


http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/82625.html
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby ninakat » Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:38 pm

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Greenpeace Video: Measuring Radiation Outside of Fukushima Exclusion Zone
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby 82_28 » Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:39 pm

eyeno wrote:


Probably just a white hot fire.

However,

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In Book IX of John Milton's Paradise Lost, Satan is compared to a "will-o-the-wisp" in tempting of Eve to partake of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil:

[...] He, leading, swiftly rolled

In tangles, and made intricate seem straight,
To mischief swift. Hope elevates, and joy
Brightens his crest; as when a wandering fire,
Compact of unctuous vapour, which the night
Condenses, and the cold environs round,
Kindled through agitation to a flame,
Which oft, they say, some evil Spirit attends,
Hovering and blazing with delusive light,
Misleads the amazed night-wanderer from his way
To bogs and mires, and oft through pond or pool;
There swallowed up and lost, from succour far.
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Corpse Lights Lore

In Wales, they’re called “canyll corfe.” They bob over the land, stopping at places where death is imminent. A small pale or bluish corpse candle foretells the death of a baby; a big one, death of an adult. Multiple candles divulge the number of people soon to die. Colors vary: red for men, pale blue for women, pale yellow or blue for children. When the lights are approached, they disappear.

In South Hampshire, England, people believed the lights accompanied souls of the dead and extinguished when they left the earth.
Inexplicable Events Involving Corpse Lights

* In the 1700s, several people who passed Golden Grove in Wales saw three corpse lights glide down the river at various times three weeks in succession. They talked about the phenomena and wondered who the death omen was for. Soon after, three family members of the nobility who lived at Golden Grove died simultaneously in different parts of the country.
* Jack, a ship’s captain, based in Carmarthenshire, Wales, lived in a rented room while not at sea. One evening, when he was abroad, a man from a neighboring farm saw a dim light in the room. He asked a family member if Jack was home. The answer was no. Others saw the light. A few weeks later, they learned Jack died in Singapore when they saw it.
* Reverend Mr. Davis’ sexton's wife was in bed and saw a blue corpse candle on her table. Within two or three days, she learned a baby had been stillborn that night. Not long after, she saw another candle. Several days later, a weak baby was brought into their house where he died.
* Davis and a huntsman were on their way home when they saw a blue candle in a house. Shortly afterwards, the eldest son died.
* Jane Wyatt was the housekeeper and nanny for widower Baronet Rud's three children in Llangathen, Carmarthen. She saw five corpse candles in the maids’ bed chamber. Not long after, all five died of suffocation while asleep.
* A group of Welshmen was returning to Barmouth after dark. As they approached the ferry house at Penthryn, they saw a light near the house, which they thought was a bonfire. As they approached, it vanished. They stopped at the house and asked about the bonfire and were told there was none. There were no signs of any fire. When the group told others in Barmouth about the incident, they said they also saw the fire. Some of the old fishermen said the fire was a corpse light. The ferryman drowned a few days later in the place the fire was seen.
* That winter, Barmouth villagers saw small lights dancing in the air over Borthwyn. Then, all except for one vanished. The lone light went where some boats were moored and lingered over one of them before it disappeared. A couple of days later, the man who owned the boat, fell overboard and drowned while sailing in it.

Paranormal events or coincidences?


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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby StarmanSkye » Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:10 am

Arnie Gunderson's second March 31 update (at the fairewinf site eyeno linked above) is one I hadn't seen -- but he discusses photo interpretation of the ustream video released yesterday by Fukushima officials which is a short segment looking into reactor #4 from the concrete-pumper boom used to spray water into the 2 cooling ponds. It shows the pool basically empty with the fuel racks lying close to the top -- implying the fuel bundles are (and have been) exposed. This is terrible news, tho not exactly unexpected. Surprised I haven't seen anyone commenting on this detail -- I mean, I saw the ustream video but doidn't know what I was looking at.

This may also explain the ethereal blue light observed above the reactor site, many people suggesting its due to neutron excitation of the optic nerve or gamma ray ionization of air molecules. It appears it MAY be the latter, indicating localized criticality -- possibly from the #4 cooling pools (or #1, or #2 or #3 -- we simply aren't getting good info from the TEPCO and IAEC officials to really know what's going on).

But we know they're pumping some 200 tons of water a day on the damaged reactors and pools and they're no closer to repairing internal coolant systems let alone preparing for serious containment work by removing the wreckage which is clogging all of the reactor and pool access.

VERY bad implications.

And we find TEPCO is sending workers into hazardous areas without sufficient dosimeters, only 1/2 of what they need on an ongoing basis.

The TEPCO officials can't be excoriated enuff IMHO.
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