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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby backtoiam » Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:06 pm

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 82_28 » Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:58 pm

Belligerent Savant » Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:02 am wrote:.

82_28:
People on Long Island fucking hate Latinos. In fact I think they hate everyone that isn't them.


Is that so? Do the Latinos who live in Long Island hate Latinos as well?

over-generalization, much? What sample size did you leverage to come to this conclusion, and from which section(s) of Long Island?

Don't be so silly.


Umm. Look at this way. I went round and round with people who were intractably racist. Perhaps I did some good then. No. My take away from Long Island was hopelessly fucking racist. Shit I wanted to go to Stony Brook at one point. But racism is instilled there. At least in certain parts. I forget the town on the island's name. Middletown or something but they forcefully intimidated Mexican people who were "day-workers". I appealed to them to treat them more kindly. Wound up getting into some heated fucking arguments and they accidentally let me be on their email feed so I could see all the shit they were saying about me. I really didn't give a fuck. But yeah, hopelessly racist. Same with Arizona if that makes me seem less "silly."
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:52 pm

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It's always "silly" to paint such broad strokes about a geographical region. Given that I was born and raised in the NYC area and have friends/family members/co-workers that live in and/or around Long Island that are NOT racist, I can easily claim the converse of your proclamation (and my sample size would surely be larger than yours).

Yet neither of us would have the appropriate statistics to back up either claim.

That said, I'd be willing to bet 10,000 pesos that the below-referenced Long Island residents do NOT hate Latinos:

This table includes the total Hispanic and Latino population in New York State, and communities, towns and counties on Long Island, for the census years of 1990, 2000 and 2010. Race and Hispanic origin information was volunteered by residents. Persons of Hispanic origin may be of any race. The source for this data is the United States Census Bureau:

http://longisland.newsday.com/templates ... B/?pid=196

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby NeonLX » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:57 pm

I visited a relative in a "gated community" outside of Chicago once. There were Latino dudes working on the grounds, doing back-breaking work on a really hot, humid day. My relative was dissing "Mexicans" and their laziness, as well as how they took jobs away from "white people". I asked her why there were no "white people" working on the grounds, and why, if Mexicans are so lazy, they were out there doing shit that "white people" didn't want to do. That fart on the elevator brought a complete halt to the conversation.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 82_28 » Tue Mar 22, 2016 5:06 pm

Belligerent Savant » Tue Mar 22, 2016 12:52 pm wrote:.
It's always "silly" to paint such broad strokes about a geographical region. Given that I was born and raised in the NYC area and have friends/family members/co-workers that live in and/or around Long Island that are NOT racist, I can easily claim the converse of your proclamation (and my sample size would surely be larger than yours).

Yet neither of us would have the appropriate statistics to back up either claim.

That said, I'd be willing to bet 10,000 pesos that the below-referenced Long Island residents do NOT hate Latinos:

This table includes the total Hispanic and Latino population in New York State, and communities, towns and counties on Long Island, for the census years of 1990, 2000 and 2010. Race and Hispanic origin information was volunteered by residents. Persons of Hispanic origin may be of any race. The source for this data is the United States Census Bureau:

http://longisland.newsday.com/templates ... B/?pid=196



I understand. I am sure there is a "broad" swath of people there. But the racism I encountered there was very fucking entrenched in such a way I'd never seen before. I come from Denver and Seattle (extended family from PA) and while there were and are racists, I'd never encountered it like that. Very fucking provincial. Disturbing.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Mar 22, 2016 5:45 pm

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oh, undoubtedly, there are some vile mindsets around certain pockets in LI, particularly in suburban-affluent areas with more homogeneous demographics. But again, it's not too dissimilar from other regions in the U.S. with similar demographics.

(here I go painting in broad strokes after clutching my pearls at your earlier rant...)

It's a disease spread nationally -- globally, even. Though 'Merica has a unique brand of racism/entitlement that (one can argue) knows no equal. And most of them love TRUMP.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby tapitsbo » Tue Mar 22, 2016 5:53 pm

You guys are talking about mistreatment of "illegal" immigrants, very relevant to Trump. Meanwhile the Washington GOP establishment is floating trial balloon articles about how they would like the majority of the population to be guest workers without citizenship and with limited rights, just like in some Arab Gulf states. What's the bigger picture, here?
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Postby 82_28 » Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:20 pm

"Limited rights" needs to go away. There are no "limited rights" -- people, all living things, have rights. What is it with the word "rights" anyhow? As a non atheist but can also bend that way -- all life forms have souls. It is up to us to give a shit and spread the wealth. There are no fucking easy answers. I'm the type of idiot that looks at a leaf on the ground and feels bad for it because it is now irreversibly parted from its family. There is total ugliness but the beauty is in that. It is a trait. A trait that we all share as living entities.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:23 pm

tapitsbo » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:53 pm wrote:You guys are talking about mistreatment of "illegal" immigrants, very relevant to Trump. Meanwhile the Washington GOP establishment is floating trial balloon articles about how they would like the majority of the population to be guest workers without citizenship and with limited rights, just like in some Arab Gulf states. What's the bigger picture, here?


Really? I missed this exact proposal. Can you link to one of these trial balloon articles? Will it be done quickly, by re-assigning citizens to guest-worker status? Will I have to trade my passport in for new papers?
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Postby tapitsbo » Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:33 pm

You disagree that this is a plan for certain countries beyond the likes of UAE, Qatar, etc? I don't see why you would personally be against it.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:01 pm

JackRiddler » Tue Mar 22, 2016 5:23 pm wrote:
tapitsbo » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:53 pm wrote:You guys are talking about mistreatment of "illegal" immigrants, very relevant to Trump. Meanwhile the Washington GOP establishment is floating trial balloon articles about how they would like the majority of the population to be guest workers without citizenship and with limited rights, just like in some Arab Gulf states. What's the bigger picture, here?


Really? I missed this exact proposal. Can you link to one of these trial balloon articles? Will it be done quickly, by re-assigning citizens to guest-worker status? Will I have to trade my passport in for new papers?


Aye, I remember that one well although I also remember it a bit differently:
https://newrepublic.com/article/120179/ ... n-policies
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby tapitsbo » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:07 pm

My heartfelt apologies for any extrapolative exaggeration.

How sincere do you reckon the editors of that publication are when they talk about reducing income inequality? It never struck me as a big priority for that crowd (which technically makes said Gulf elites look benevolent in comparison to them.)
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:40 pm

Donald Trump's Key Foreign Policy Adviser, Joseph E. Schmitz, Was Forced Out of the Pentagon

By Jeff Stein On 3/21/16 at 7:58 PM

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Republican candidate Donald Trump at a presidential debate in Cleveland, Ohio on August 6, 2015. MANDEL NGAN/AFP/Getty Images

Joseph E. Schmitz, named by Donald Trump as a key foreign policy adviser on Monday, was forced out of his job as the Pentagon’s top watchdog a decade ago amid accusations that he protected top officials in the George W. Bush administration suspected of wrongdoing.

Trump, the Republican front-runner for the presidential candidacy, named Schmitz as one of his five top foreign policy advisers during an editorial meeting at The Washington Post on Monday morning. The group will be chaired by Republican Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama.

Schmitz’s rocky three-and-a-half year tenure as the Defense Department’s inspector general ended in 2005 amid a barrage of attacks questioning his leadership, mostly notably from Senator Charles E. Grassley, the long-serving Iowa Republican who has championed whistleblower rights at the Pentagon. Grassley, then-chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, accused Schmitz of blocking investigations of Bush administration officials tied to Iraq and Afghanistan war contracts and questioned his ties to lobbyists. Schmitz also drew scrutiny for naming L. Jean Louis as his chief-of-staff. Louis was a bank investigator who gained notoriety for raising accusations, later discredited, against Bill and Hillary Clinton during the Whitewater scandal.

“Schmitz slowed or blocked investigations of senior Bush administration officials, spent taxpayer money on pet projects and accepted gifts that may have violated ethics guidelines, according to interviews with current and former senior officials in the inspector general's office, congressional investigators and a review of internal e-mail and other documents,” The Los Angeles Times reported in 2005.

In 2006, the Project on Government Oversight (POGO), a nonpartisan watchdog in Washington, D.C., noted that Schmitz "resigned under a cloud of allegations that he had allowed inappropriate political interference in a Boeing tanker lease investigation by the White House, as well as other politically sensitive investigations."

"The original report's secrecy begs the question of why the DoD [inspector general] was hiding Boeing's role," said Nick Schwellenbach, a POGO investigator at the time.

A review board, the President’s Council on Integrity and Efficiency, subsequently reviewed Grassley’s accusations and “concluded that there was no wrongdoing.”

But that wasn’t the end of controversy surrounding Schmitz, whose job put him in charge of eliminating waste, fraud and abuse in Pentagon programs. When he resigned as inspector general, he took a job with the parent company of Blackwater USA, the controversial defense contractor whose operatives killed 17 civilians and wounded 20 in Baghdad in 2007.

POGO’s executive director, Danielle Brian, excoriated Schmitz’s move to Blackwater in 2006. “The inspector general is a standard-bearer for ethics and integrity for the Pentagon,” she wrote in The Washington Post. “To see a person who has been holding that position cash in on his public service and go work for one of their contractors is tremendously disappointing.”

In 2008 Schmitz argued that lawsuits against Blackwater should not go forward in the United States because the shootings took place in Iraq, where Islamic sharia law predominates, according to a report by Jeremy Scahill in The Nation magazine.

A Naval Academy and Stanford Law School graduate, Schmitz grew up in Washington, D.C., the son of a far right-wing southern California Republican congressman and 1972 presidential candidate whose views were too extreme for the conservative John Birch Society, which expelled him.

During his time as inspector general, Schmitz revealed a fascination with Germany, in particular the Prussian militarist Baron Friedrich Wilhelm Von Steuben, whose service to General George Washington during the Revolutionary War earned him the moniker of being the U.S. military’s first inspector general. “Schmitz even replaced the official inspector general's seal in offices nationwide with a new one bearing the Von Steuben family motto,” The Los Angeles Times reported. When Grassley complained about Schmitz’s plans to travel to Potsdam, Germany at taxpayer expense in 2005 to speak at a ceremony commemorating Baron von Steuben he was forced to cancel the trip, according to reports at the time.

Scahill also reported in his 2008 book Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army that on his official biography, Schmitz proudly listed his membership in the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, “a Christian militia formed in the eleventh century, before the first Crusades, with the mission of defending ‘territories that the Crusaders had conquered from the Muslims.’”

Schmitz and the Trump campaign could not be immediately reached for comment.

Another new Trump foreign policy adviser, Walid Phares, is connected to anti-Muslim sentiments and causes. A Lebanese Christian, Phares served as a top adviser to a Christian militia blamed for atrocities during the Lebanese Civil War, according to investigative reporter Adam Serwer. “He was also a close adviser to Samir Geagea, a Lebanese warlord who rose from leading hit squads to running the Lebanese Forces,” Serwer wrote for Mother Jones magazine in 2011. At the time, Phares was a counterterrorism adviser in Republican Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign.

Trump previously suggested he didn’t need any foreign policy advisers. “I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things,” the candidate said March 16 on MSNBC's Morning Joe.

After naming his advisers Monday, however, Trump said he had “quite a few more” he would announce in coming days.

“But that’s a group of some of the people that we are dealing with,” he told The Washington Post. “We have many other people in different aspects of what we do. But that’s a pretty representative group."


We should be pretty used to Trump talking out both sides of his mouth. What good is it to lambaste the Bush family name for the disaster of Iraq, then have one of your main foreign policy advisors be one of the motherfuckers who helped protect that criminal administration? Scahill's book on Blackwater did a great job showcasing just how evil the whole Schmitz family is.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby backtoiam » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:43 pm

"Yet even if foreign aid would be useful, it seems unlikely that rich countries will ever voluntarily contribute enough to dent global inequality."

^^^ (from wombats link) There are no "rich countries" because if that is the case it implies to the deaf ear that all the people that live within that country share in the bounty but that is a farce. Nayyy, say I, only the Oligarchs share that. Proles are proles the world over. In the U.S. we have people sleeping in the streets, under bridges, in tent cities, eating from soup kitchens, dying in the winter, living in the sewer systems in every city, killing each other over a box of fried chicken, and using Tide Detergent as a means of trade. Instead of helping these people the U.S. is sending billions of dollars to bring more destitute people into the country to feed the appetite of military contractors and create plausible deniability for coming "event" because of course the state department told us terrarists WILL OF COURSE BE MIXED IN WITH THIS. Because they bombed them out of their homes. What could fucking go wrong with that plan? :shrug: And besides, all these people have been trained to be afraid of each other and hate each other ON PURPOSE. We are dealing with some seriously sick ptb fucks so buckle the seat belts because this show ain't over by a long shot.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby IanEye » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:24 pm

stillrobertpaulsen » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:40 pm wrote:


We should be pretty used to Trump talking out both sides of his mouth. What good is it to lambaste the Bush family name for the disaster of Iraq, then have one of your main foreign policy advisors be one of the motherfuckers who helped protect that criminal administration? Scahill's book on Blackwater did a great job showcasing just how evil the whole Schmitz family is.


Good times.
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