Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

[Novem5er]

Back to the pluralizing adjectives, i.e. "deplorables" ....

As others have provided, I think we can find a lot of examples of people doing exactly this: the Reds, the Incredibles, the Untouchables, etc. Something to consider, though, in most of these cases the new name was a calculated move to create a brand. Deplorables sure feels like a new brand of cretin.

I can think of a few other non-brand examples. Unmentionables. Undesirables. Those are words that my spellchecker even accepts. Notice, though, that they still have a negative connotation, which was Clinton's purpose, of course. I don't think it's a big deal that she invented a new word, other than its another gaffe that the Right is using to embolden their base. Remember when Obama was recorded saying something about people "clinging to their guns and their religion"? Yeah, the same kind of unforced blunder, only Hillary did this on purpose with a reporter.

[Nordic]

Come on Nordic, Trump has big boss neocons on board now (Woolsey!)

Either Trump or Clinton, I predict, will initiate a clamp-down on the Internet where we talk about this stuff. Just as Putin, who I am not exactly a fan of, has.

As for the US warmongering, it has sort of spun out of control. Frankly I think either Trump or Clinton's governments will be worse than Obama's at adding fuel to these fires...

He has professed to paleocon policies since day 1. However if he is to actually get any power, the neocons will convert him. Or he will die. I don't think he's a particularly brave man.

The neocons run the show. Here, Israrl, Saudi Arabia. They demonstrated that in 9/11 and that is that.

[tapitsbo]

Sure, he's taken a different tack from the other republican candidates. Honestly I prefer Trump to them, they were even worse. The theories that "neocons" are a liaison/front for deeper, more entrenched forces are interesting.

Trump has decisively backed away from any faint signalling about dialling down "clash of civilizations" bullshit, that's for sure. I have a queasy feeling about what might happen during his presidency. And I don't buy the mainstream hysteria about him representing anything particularly different or new. Rather I think the evil of Trump might just be more of what we've seen across the West since 9/11.

Too bad Sanders' supporters weren't able to more aggressively seize the machinery of their party the way Trump's did with the GOP.

[seemslikeadream]

oh please take the binary blinders off

[seemslikeadream]

Sure, he's taken a different tack from the other republican candidates. Honestly I prefer Trump to them, they were even worse. The theories that "neocons" are a liaison/front for deeper, more entrenched forces are interesting.

Trump has decisively backed away from any faint signalling about dialling down "clash of civilizations" bullshit, that's for sure. I have a queasy feeling about what might happen during his presidency. And I don't buy the mainstream hysteria about him representing anything particularly different or new. Rather I think the evil of Trump might just be more of what we've seen across the West since 9/11.

Too bad Sanders' supporters weren't able to more aggressively seize the machinery of their party the way Trump's did with the GOP.

DONALD TRUMP IS A LIAR

you know when he is lying...when he opens his mouth

how you can support a racist homophobic asshole is beyond me

[JackRiddler]

Come on Nordic, Trump has big boss neocons on board now (Woolsey!)

Either Trump or Clinton, I predict, will initiate a clamp-down on the Internet where we talk about this stuff. Just as Putin, who I am not exactly a fan of, has.

As for the US warmongering, it has sort of spun out of control. Frankly I think either Trump or Clinton's governments will be worse than Obama's at adding fuel to these fires...

He has professed to paleocon policies since day 1. However if he is to actually get any power, the neocons will convert him. Or he will die. I don't think he's a particularly brave man.

No he has not. Some who are antiwar or want rapprochement have naively interpreted him as professing to something like that, inexcusably in some cases. (Stephen Cohen should really know better!) The Trump propaganda has allowed this. The Clinton propaganda has harped on this, as if it were true, especially trying to create the impression that a bit of turnover in the mix of oligarchs backing the administration will be tantamount to a Russian takeover. His big sin is not the appeal to racism (which is where the power of this campaign comes from, not "populism") but the supposed critique of "American Exceptionalism."

But Trump's core policy message is rather different than a traditional isolationism and at this point you have heard it and it's been on this thread many times:

He will build a wall and MAKE THEM PAY. He clarifies to say he will impose sanctions on Mexico.

He will cut the head off ISIS and TAKE THEIR OIL. He made it clear he meant he would support a permanent physical occupation of the Iraqi oil fields, which Bush should have done in the first place. Also, Obama is the "founder of ISIS" not because of some deep state machination (like most people on RI believe), but because he is weak (and secretly Muslim) and "withdrew" from Iraq.

Trump will make America's military great again, raising the military budget. He will bring back waterboarding and murder the families of "terrorists." (The latter is no different from current drone war policy, of course.)

His rhetoric generally is extremely bellicose on both domestic and foreign policy. It sees enemies everywhere and the country is too weak and not willing to fight, not willing or able any more to clean up the scum burning the cities or the jihadis attacking from without.

This is also the power of confusionism by the way. Language and facticity are so devalued by the Trump back-and-forth that you end up feeling free to choose whatever part of the bullshit flood you want to believe he "actually" means.

Nevertheless, there are many valid indicators of the "real" underlying policy. The choice of Pence, the other advisers and sponsors, the hedge fund wrecking crew revealed as his economic team, all this should also tell you something? Sheldon Adelson, hello?

Stop making excuses.

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[seemslikeadream]

and if Trump is ever elected he will be impeached and we will be left the fucking crazy ass Pence

[backtoiam]

Trump has also said that he is not happy with the nuclear deal with Iran. I take that as a nod from him that if they want to turn Iran into rubble he is all for it. The people he is surrounding himself with will absolutely facilitate it too, without blinking.

[JackRiddler]

Right, I forgot the stance to Iran, which has also been consistent from the beginning and is highly indicative. It hardly squares with the pro-Putin stuff, which is more a matter of an admired style of leadership than the Russian hand behind Trump.

[seemslikeadream]

Trump has also said that he is not happy with the nuclear deal with Iran. I take that as a nod from him that if they want to turn Iran into rubble he is all for it. The people he is surrounding himself with will absolutely facilitate it too, without blinking.

oh yes he will start a nuclear war because of a hand jester ....he is so much better that Clinton

[Nordic]

As usual, JR, you and I seem to be living in 2 different universes.

I'm not defending him anyway. I'm saying he's less dangerous than Clinton.

And while some of his statements seem contradictory to isolationism, in general he has been a paleocon.

Are you seriously saying you believe Trump is a neocon?

[Burnt Hill]

It doesn't seem like much of a stretch to me.
They exhibit deplorable behaviors, they are deplorables.
Sometimes we give the bastards too much credit.

[tapitsbo]

I'm interested in the sorts of moves that will be made against the US after the election.

The Rest Of The World is a lot stronger and better positioned to sanction the US for insane policies than was the case during GWB's time in office.

[Burnt Hill]

A very simple explanation for Hillary's physical and mental problems is drugs. She's radiated with mammograms, vaccinated with Prevnar and Pneumovax, given steroids and antibiotics, taking Armor Thyroid and most importantly she is on Coumadin which is Warfarin, aka rat poison.

My father took coumadin for awhile until the effects made him really sick. Nasty stuff. He died of cancer a few years later. Here are some of the side effects:

Coumadin may cause you to bleed more easily, which can be severe or life-threatening. Seek emergency medical attention if you have any unusual bleeding, or bleeding that will not stop. You may also have bleeding on the inside of your body, such as in your stomach or intestines. Call your doctor at once if you have blood in your urine, black or bloody stools, or if you cough up blood or vomit that looks like coffee grounds.

Also call your doctor at once if you have:

pain, swelling, hot or cold feeling, skin changes, or discoloration anywhere on your body;
sudden and severe leg or foot pain, foot ulcer, purple toes or fingers;
sudden headache, dizziness, or weakness;
easy bruising or bleeding (nosebleeds, bleeding gums), purple or red pinpoint spots under your skin;
bleeding from wounds or needle injections that will not stop;
pale skin, feeling light-headed or short of breath, rapid heart rate, trouble concentrating;
dark urine, jaundice (yellowing of the skin or eyes);
little or no urinating;
numbness or muscle weakness; or
pain in your stomach, back, or sides.
Common Coumadin side effects may include:

nausea, vomiting, mild stomach pain;
bloating, gas; or
altered sense of taste.

It's amazing to me how the elite with all of their money and access to information are just plain stupid when it comes to trusting the Medical Industrial Complex.

When used properly Coumadin (warfarin) is a safe medication that saves lives.
Most of those adverse effects listed are directly related to Coumadin "overdose".
The newer anti-coagulants may be better options, but they don't have the long, safe track record that Coumadin has.
Its used in high doses as rat poison because it prevents clotting,
which is exactly why human beings - with clotting disorders - need to use it.

* I am as frustrated as anyone with the pharmaceutical industry.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

and if Trump is ever elected he will be impeached and we will be left the fucking crazy ass Pence

I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking that. After reading Newsweek's reporting on his international conflicts of interest, I've no doubt some scandal will arise in his first term that will necessitate that. And this impeachment will result in removal, because evangelical Republicans will be leading the charge with the prospect of President Pence.

God, my hypotheticals nauseate me!