Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

[Agent Orange Cooper]

https://www.conservativeoutfitters.com/ ... t-shooting

MAN LIES ABOUT BEING VICTIM OF ISIS MASS SHOOTING AT ORLANDO'S PULSE NIGHTCLUB?

FLORIDA - Clint Lampkin has been making the rounds claiming he is a Orlando, FL mass shooting survivor even taking the stage at a memorial service last Saturday where he received a standing ovation and many hugs. All this despite a facebook post Lampkin made on June 12th saying: "Glad I wasn't at that one."

Proof Clinton Lampkin facebook post lying about being victim of ISIS mass shooting at Orlando's Pulse nightclub?

The "survivor victim" has been questioned by local media about the social media post and claims his Facebook account was hacked. Lampkin still claims he was at Pulse nightclub the night of the shooting saying:

"I have really bad anxiety attacks, so I just kinda... I don't know, my mind is just gone. I did lose a friend that got shot."

Clint Lampkin was unable to provide the name of his "friend" that was shot. Lampkin claims he has only known the friend for a short period of time and has forgotten his name. What do you think? Is Clint Lampkin lying or telling the truth?

[MacCruiskeen]

I see you're becoming more rational about this horrendous mass murder, Mac.

Don't presume to lecture me on rationality, Mister Whom. It's like being taught etiquette by a wild goat. I have eaten shrimps that were more rational (and more honest) than you, and they were all dead.

You're the guy who thinks Dzhokhar Tsarnaev had a fair trial. You're the guy who thinks the San Bernardino frame-up was hunky-dory, legal-wise. You're the lawyer.

- And I know you'll continue to slither discreetly out of responding to any and all serious questions, including that simple and perfectly rational challenge to produce even the vaguest description of how the shooter was dressed. Because you can't do it.

[Burnt Hill]

Orlando nightclub survivor describes playing dead, smelling 'death in the air'
By Associated Press
on June 18, 2016 at 1:51 AM, updated June 18, 2016 at 2:35 AM
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2016/06/orlando_massacre_survivor_desc.html

ORLANDO, Fla. — Felipe Marrero wakes up in his hospital bed at night still thinking he smells gunpowder, nearly a week after the shooting rampage at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando.

It's just one of the ways the 30-year-old has suffered after being shot four times in his back and left arm during the attack last Sunday morning that left 49 victims dead and more than 50 wounded. The gunman, 29-year-old Omar Mateen, also was killed in a firefight with police.

"It's the same smell that was in the club that night," Marrero said in an interview Friday from his hospital bed at Orlando Regional Medical Center.


The shock among the city's residents was turning to grief as families buried their loved ones in cemeteries across the city. With more funerals planned in coming days, the city adorned with "Orlando Strong" banners has been coming together to support each other.

"It's amazing me how the community is getting so close," said Monica Roggiero, outside the funeral of shooting victim Anthony Luis Laureano Disla.

While some of the dead are buried, the wounded continue trying to heal physically and mentally.

Marrero said he was just about to leave the club about 2 a.m. Sunday when he heard the shooting start. He was near the front door, close to the shooter, so he couldn't leave through the club's only exit. He fell to the floor. His friend, Luis Vielma, standing next to him was shot and killed.

Marrero lifted the edge of a couch near where he was lying and put his head underneath it.

"I covered myself, and laid on the ground for at least 30 minutes not trying to make any sudden movements," he said. "I was just trying to play dead."

Another 30 to 40 minutes passed. People were yelling, screaming.

The head of a man lying next to him had been blown apart. Bodies were everywhere, including his good friend Luis'.

"And the smell of the place was horrible — like gunpowder — and you just smelled death in the air," he said.

He said the shots stopped for a while and he noticed the police were outside.

The police's flashing lights started coming into the club, he said, and officers were telling everyone to stay on the ground.

Marrero said Mateen would lie among the bodies for a time so police couldn't see him.

The shots stopped, as though Mateen were reloading, Marrero said.

Next, Mateen shot Marrero, hitting his lower back and left arm.

"I just lay there and all the blood coming out of my hand, and my arm was destroyed," he said. "The amount of pain was unbearable."

As shots continued to fly, Marrero said he made eye contact with an officer through the front door. He pleaded for help.

"He asked me to crawl to him, and the shooter had gone to another part of the club," he said. He believes Mateen had gone to an area where police had punched holes in the walls — where Mateen was eventually fatally shot.

Marrero told the officer he couldn't move. That he'd been shot in the back.

"He said, 'You need to find the strength to do this.'"

Mateen says he used his right arm to grab dead bodies around him, got leverage and pushed himself toward the officer.

The officer grabbed his hand and dragged him quickly to an empty lot nearby, where paramedics eventually got to him.

His vision was blurry, and he'd lost a lot of blood.

"I just thought 'This is it,'" he said.

The next day, lying in his hospital bed at Orlando Regional Medical Center, Marrero says he saw Mateen's picture on television and immediately recognized him.
"I said 'This guy was right next to me buying a drink,'" Marrero said.

His account of Mateen's whereabouts in the hours before the shooting could not immediately be verified. Marrero said he gave that account to investigators. The FBI declined to comment and has not provided a timeline accounting for Mateen's movements that night.

Marrero said he's starting to heal but knows he has a long road. He's had multiple surgeries and started physical therapy to try to regain the use of his arm. He started a gofundme account to raise money for medical bills.

The ordeal has also affected his sleep.

"The other night I woke up, and for some reason I started smelling the gunpowder," he said.

[MacCruiskeen]

Marrero says he saw Mateen's picture on television and immediately recognized him. "I said 'This guy was right next to me buying a drink,'" Marrero said.

Thank you, Burnt Hill, very sincerely.

Do you see what you just did there? Do you see what he says about Omar Mateen and what he doesn't? What he explicitly confirms and what he doesn't?

[Burnt Hill]

Yea I just won a million bucks.

[Novem5er]

I wish I was as confident that I'd be able to take a shit tomorrow as Mac is confident about his version of the Orlando shooting

Mac, one thing about these witnesses not identifying the shooter specifically that I just don't think you're grasping. Part of it has to do with the witnesses themselves, and part of it has to do with the news industry itself.

Let's start with the witnesses. Admittedly, many of them never had a clear view of the shooter, with it being dark and them trying to hide and generally get away from bullets. More than that, though, Omar was identified by authorities basically as the story broke the next morning. Why are witnesses going to waste breath describing in detail something that is already a given? When people go and see a David Copperfield show in Vegas, they don't come home and start by describing what the magician looked like . "Well, we went to this show and there was this magician... he was a white guy, medium height, slight build. He had dark hair and a handsome face. He wore a tuxedo...." No!

However, if they bought tickets to a David Copperfield show and fucking George Lopez comes out, they are going to start their story with THAT! "So how was David Copperfield? I wouldn't know because this Mexican came out and started telling jokes."

Now, on to the media. Everything we see or read about this tragedy is produced and edited. It has a limited time allowance or a word count. They are not wasting the time to ask witnesses, or report from witnesses, mundane factors that are not news. Back to my David Copperfield point, if a news reporter has 500 words to write a reaction story to the new magic show, or a 90 second edit for video, he's not going to waste time asking the audience "So what did the magician look like?" and he's definitely not going to waste the space to share their answer with his editor. If the audience pours out of the Las Vegas theater and the first thing the interviewing says is "That weren't no David Copperfield, that was a Mexican telling jokes!" then the reporter suddenly has a story.

If the shooter in Orlando had escaped, you better believe that every news reporter would be digging into the brains of witnesses to get a description or any detail that would scoop the competition. Right after the Boston Bombing, the Internet was scanning thousands of photos for any clues to the bombers' identities, and several false identifications occurred. It was madness. I remember one headline: "Did the Internet Just Catch the Boston Bomber?" No, they didn't, the fingered some poor guy who matched the basic description from people near the blast, who remembered seeing a guy with dark hair and a backpack.

One the authorities ID a criminal, the story changes from a WHODUNIT to a WHYDEYDOIT.

[MacCruiskeen]

Yea I just won a million bucks.

Ha. No. The witness does not (amazingly enough) say what the shooter had on.(I still say it was a kilt and topper. No one has proven me wrong.)

At no point does this witness describe the killer at all. At no point does he even say he saw the killer's face. At no point does he identify him as Omar Mateen.

He DOES confirm that the face he saw in the news next day was the face of a customer in the club that night, a customer who was buying drinks at the bar.

Omar Mateen was a regular clubgoer in Pulse that night. That's all that this witness confirms.

So who came in shooting?

[Burnt Hill]

Seriously though, I didn't do anything but hi-lite a couple of quotes

[Iamwhomiam]

But how on Earth did you locate that article, Burnt Hill? A witness has been found!
Do you have some magical device that called it forth?

[SonicG]

Interesting that the in-depth article from the WP a few pages back states:

Other friends also remember Salman and her sisters as “doctor smart” and “some of the smartest ladies I’ve ever met.”

There was an article about her earlier saying she was a special ed. kid...

The silence in the media about the "lost wife" is absolutely bizarre...


Interesting piece. Why not throw the "self-radicalized by powerful videotapes that only seem to mysteriously affect Muslims who have been under FBI scrutiny or are mentally unstable back into the mix?

That’s when Omar told me he had been watching videos of Al Awlaki, too, which immediately raised red flags for me. He told me the videos were very powerful.

After speaking with Omar, I contacted the FBI again to let them know that Omar had been watching Al Awlaki’s tapes. He hadn’t committed any act of violence and wasn’t planning any, as far as I knew.

And I thought he probably wouldn’t, because he didn’t fit the profile: He already had a second wife and a son. But it was something agents should keep their eyes on. I never heard from them about Omar again, but apparently they did their job: They looked into him and, finding nothing to go on, they closed the file.

...
The local paper published an unsigned editorial called ‘Leave our peaceful Muslim neighbours alone’, and the comments were full of hateful lies — that the Boston bombers had visited the area, that the September 11 bombers came from here, that we were a hotbed of violent ideology.

http://gulfnews.com/opinion/thinkers/i- ... -1.1851446

And yet, there is something about that area...Paging Daniel Hopsicker...

[Novem5er]

It's the weather, man. Something about this miserable Florida humidity combined with endless miles of sizzling highways and strip malls that makes people crazy. . .

[Burnt Hill]

It appears the feds don't like the Mateen as gay angle.

Kevin West and Cord Cedeno are not afraid to disagree with the FBI's official story.

FBI investigators say they have found no evidence that Orlando shooter had gay lovers
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-gay-fbi-20160623-snap-story.html

By Molly Hennessy-Fiske

June 23, 2016, 1:14 PM

Since the shooting at an Orlando nightclub last week that left 49 people dead, reports have emerged that gunman Omar Mateen frequented the gay club, used gay dating apps and had gay lovers.

But the FBI has found no evidence so far to support claims by those who say Mateen had gay lovers or communicated on gay dating apps, several law enforcement officials said.

Mateen, 29, told police negotiators he had carried out the shooting that began at 2 a.m. June 12 and ended, after a three-hour standoff, when he was killed by police.

He claimed the shooting was carried out in allegiance to the militant group Islamic State, as a message to halt U.S. bombing in Iraq and Syria.

Several Pulse regulars have come forward in the days since the shooting, claiming to have seen Mateen at the club or to have been contacted by him on the gay dating apps Grindr, Jack’d and Adam4Adam.

On Tuesday, Univision aired a report in which “Miguel,” a man wearing a disguise to conceal his identity, alleged he had sex with Mateen after meeting him on the gay dating app, Grindr. He said Mateen had sex with other men too, including a threesome with a Puerto Rican who allegedly told Mateen, after having had unprotected sex with him, that he was HIV positive.

But investigators do not consider the man’s account credible, according to one senior law enforcement official with access to the investigation.

Orlando gunman had used gay dating app and visited LGBT nightclub on other occasions, witnesses say

In seeking to verify the reports, federal agents have culled Mateen's electronic devices, including a laptop computer and cellphone, as well as electronic communications of those who made the claims, law enforcement officials said.

So far, they have found no photographs, no text messages, no smartphone apps, no gay pornography and no cell-tower location data to suggest that Mateen — who was twice married to women and had a young son — conducted a secret gay life, the officials said.

The FBI is continuing to explore Mateen’s past, but investigators now believe the men who made the claims are not credible, or confused Mateen with someone else.

The FBI has not said whether it has uncovered any evidence that Mateen visited the Pulse nightclub prior to the shooting.

But law enforcement sources did say that investigators have not uncovered any direct links between Mateen and members of Islamic State.

It is possible that Mateen might have had communications on cellphones or other electronic equipment that have not been recovered by investigators in the wake of the shooting.

Some of those who have claimed to be in contact with Mateen before the shooting continue to insist that the gunman seen in the photos released after the shooting is the same man who visited the nightclub before the shooting.

Kevin West, 29, a Navy veteran and Pulse regular, said Mateen messaged him on Jack’d and also said he recognized him entering the club on the night of the shooting. After the attack, West turned his phone and app passwords over to police and FBI investigators. He said Mateen didn’t reveal his name, but he recognized him from the photo Mateen had posted on the app, which matched one of the gunman released after the shooting.

On Thursday, he dismissed federal investigators’ doubts.

“No one is lying about him being on there,” West said of the gay apps, adding that “once you have the app and delete your profile, it’s gone.”

West said the focus should be on keeping guns out of the hands of potentially violent people.

“People died by that man’s hands and [the] only thing this country is concerned about is if he is gay or not,” West said.

Cord Cedeno, 23, another Pulse regular, insisted he saw Mateen at Pulse months before the shooting and messaged with him on Grindr for a short time, but eventually blocked him because he would only send photos and say “Hi.” Cedeno said he has no reason to doubt accounts from other Pulse regulars who have said they had seen Mateen visit the club in the past.

“The FBI obviously is trying to cover up their information,” he said of gay men who reported being contacted by Mateen. “I can go take a lie detector test. I know for a fact Omar messaged me.”

Cedeno said he did not contact police to tell them about his contact with Mateen, because some of his friends who did had their phones taken and were told not to talk to reporters. He said he doesn’t trust the FBI to investigate Mateen, given they questioned him in 2013 and again in 2014, placed him on a terrorist watch list but then removed him from the list.

“They let him go. They let him do this massacre. They could have arrested him. It just does not add up,” Cedeno said.

The Times’ Washington, D.C., bureau contributed to this report.

[stickdog99]

PEOPLE ARE FRIGHTENED. Why do you think his wife Noor is completely invisible and inaudible? How do you think eyewitnesses would be received -- by the cops, by the feds, by the media -- if they came forward now and contradicted the hallowed Official Account?

Would YOU feel safe doing it, Burnt Hill? "It's not true, that wasn't Omar, I knew him well to see."

I fully understand your point about how no one has positively ID'ed Omar Mateen as the shooter at the club.
I think you are misunderstanding(maybe not) my questions about no one stating he was mis-identified, but that's probably because I phrased it clumsily. Moving on from that-
I would guess that Noor Salman sp? is simply out of site to get away from negative publicity, nothing more. I would hope that she has family and loved ones that are protecting her in that very way.
And I don't get the feeling that people are frightened. I have friends right near there that went to one of the memorials, people are talking and speculating, and some of it is about fear, but not the fear of contradicting the official story. There is certainly no bold face and capitalized fear that I am aware of.

Oh, and yes I would.

Then why didn't any San Bernardino witnesses step up and make it clear that none of the shooters was a tiny female?

Again, either they cannot fathom that their official agencies would lie to them and so accept the official story over their own lying eyes. Or else they are scared shitless that what happened to the Farooks could just as easily happen to them were they to even try to raise a stink about any discrepancies between the official story and what they saw. Or their stories are simply censored as the ravings of unreliable PTSD victims. We all know eyewitness testimony cannot be trusted over anonymous official sources. The emperor's clothes are indeed quite beautiful!

[Iamwhomiam]

Mac, you're endearing in a peculiar way, like a memory of a gritty fuck on the beach.

I have three words for you:

Ibragim Todashev, Orlando.

[stickdog99]

Yea I just won a million bucks.

He said he recognized Mateen as a guy who was thereat the bar before the shooting. He never said he recognized Mateen as the shooter.

Do you really think Mateen had an assault weapon on him when he was buying other bar patrons drinks?