Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

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Hey 8bit, i can relate to how you feel, check out the new Corbett report:



this image has probably been posted here before:



or will our future look more like this:

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I'm not against vaccines (dont waste my with the flu one tho) but I think you raise some good points.

But one issue with this virus is doctors who were otherwise healthy are dying. While age and serious health conditions are the biggest indicators it seems as tho healthy younger people are vulnerable if their viral load is high. That would be driven by exposure.

It might explain why high density areas and societies have more trouble too.

One possible reason for healthcare workers having reduced immunity to a brand new virus is that they are required to be pumped full of every vaccine available. This protects them from some things, but reduces their immunity against others. I didn't watch the video posted above because I already knew - vaccines reduce the body's ability to become naturally immune. People who are over-vaccinated are immune compromised. Take for example this study, posted by the NIH no less. Of course, "more empirical evidence is needed" to be sure because the conclusion is inconvenient for them. If the conclusion was what they want to hear, they would be absolutely sure after the first experiment.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404712/

Increased Risk of Noninfluenza Respiratory Virus Infections Associated With Receipt of Inactivated Influenza Vaccine

We randomized 115 children to trivalent inactivated influenza vaccine (TIV) or placebo. Over the following 9 months, TIV recipients had an increased risk of virologically-confirmed non-influenza infections (relative risk: 4.40; 95% confidence interval: 1.31-14.. Being protected against influenza, TIV recipients may lack temporary non-specific immunity that protected against other respiratory viruses.

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In the prepandemic period of our study, we did not observe a statistically significant reduction in confirmed seasonal influenza virus infections in the TIV recipients (Table 3), although serological evidence (Supplementary Appendix) and point estimates of vaccine efficacy based on confirmed infections were consistent with protection of TIV recipients against the seasonal influenza viruses that circulated from January through March 2009 [16]. We identified a statistically significant increased risk of noninfluenza respiratory virus infection among TIV recipients (Table 3), including significant increases in the risk of rhinovirus and coxsackie/echovirus infection, which were most frequently detected in March 2009, immediately after the peak in seasonal influenza activity in February 2009 (Figure 1).

The increased risk of noninfluenza respiratory virus infection among TIV recipients could be an artefactual finding; for example, measurement bias could have resulted if participants were more likely to report their first ARI episode but less likely to report subsequent episodes, whereas there was no real difference in rhinovirus or other noninfluenza respiratory virus infections after the winter influenza season. The increased risk could also indicate a real effect. Receipt of TIV could increase influenza immunity at the expense of reduced immunity to noninfluenza respiratory viruses, by some unknown biological mechanism.

So besides making the recipient more vulnerable to other infections, in many cases these vaccines do not even work for the stated purpose.

In addition to vaccines, most healthcare workers will believe in the pharmaceutical system and take whatever conventional wisdom tells them to take. That will give them a lot of side effects, which are then mitigated with more pharmaceuticals, causing more side effects. And hospital food is total garbage so their gut health is likely to be terrible. I was last in a hospital helping my mother with a knee replacement surgery and I could not believe the high-status doctors sitting in the cafeteria eating the shit they serve up to the patients, but I guess that is part of drinking the koolaid. All the drug information sheets my mother got listed horrendous GI distress as a side effect as if that were just normal. I had to smuggle in probiotic supplements because the hospital has only a few super basic ones and will usually refuse to give them to patients unless you harass them. It is a gigantic blind spot in the medical system, and the gut is responsible for 80% of the body's immunity.

So I think it would be wrong to generalize healthcare workers as "otherwise healthy". Most of them are like animals in a factory farm that get fed antibiotics in their feed every ay of their life. Maybe a few non-conformists among them will be healthy, but how often does that happen with human beings? I also don't consider them heroes just for doing that job. Before this crisis most of them were just robots with a maliciously distorted program. Now they are all just unfortunate pawns. And some of them will do the right thing and also be heroes, in addition to being unfortunate pawns.

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In addition to vaccines, most healthcare workers will believe in the pharmaceutical system and take whatever conventional wisdom tells them to take. That will give them a lot of side effects, which are then mitigated with more pharmaceuticals, causing more side effects. And hospital food is total garbage so their gut health is likely to be terrible. I was last in a hospital helping my mother with a knee replacement surgery and I could not believe the high-status doctors sitting in the cafeteria eating the shit they serve up to the patients, but I guess that is part of drinking the koolaid.

Personal observation of human beings long ago led me to the inevitable conclusion that most (there are always exceptions, so no one take offense!) doctors and nurses become doctors and nurses not because of any overwhelming, passionate dedication to health, healing, and optimal well-being (their own and others'), but primarily as a career choice promising steady work and a secure income, and – in the case of doctors – an affluent lifestyle and some degree of social status. The fact that they (nurses always, doctors mainly in their intern phase) are expected to work decidedly unhealthy long shifts in those lifeless environments, willingly consuming the lifeless food not fit for animals that is served there, only highlights the absence of any focus on exuberant vitality in their approach to self-care and other-care.

They are not "bad people." Many are "good people," who strive to do the best ("best," within the typically very limited conceptual framework in which they operate) they are capable of in what are often difficult conditions. Many fell into their careers because it seemed, at the time, like the best, obvious, or most reasonable choice (better a doctor than a lawyer/better a nurse than a secretary), and, having made that choice, adapted themselves to conditions and ways of operating which they were mostly powerless to change. So year after year they work the twelve hour shifts – exhausted and drained of vital energy most of the time – and eat the unhealthy, nutrient-depleted hospital food because what choice do they have?

Can it be surprising in any way that people who willingly and regularly eat hospital food have no qualms about receiving, injecting, or dispensing any of the known-to-be-harmful poisons the pharmaceutical industry makes its billions from?

[Grizzly]

https://www.reddit.com/r/stimuluscheck/comments/fz5asp/while_the_stimulus_check_may_help_here_is_a_full/
While the stimulus check may help, here is a full list of other free services and companies who are waiving fees right now because of the coronavirus. Also, I contacted my car insurance, and they knocked off quite a bit of my total.

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Can it be surprising in any way that people who willingly and regularly eat hospital food have no qualms about receiving, injecting, or dispensing any of the known-to-be-harmful poisons the pharmaceutical industry makes its billions from?

The fucked up thing about any doctor practicing under the current system is that they by definition have the capacity to understand what they are doing. They are in denial about how wrong everything is, because if they acknowledged it, they would feel it every time they shoveled another living body into the meat grinder. So they callous themselves and pretend there is no problem, until it kills them. It seems like denying the crisis scenario is going to be a self-correcting problem pretty soon.

One friend who is clued in to the disaster response in NYC told me that the spray they are using to "disinfect" buildings is a permanent lacquer that will coat every surface it is sprayed onto. All surfaces will be sprayed. This permanent chemical will then be found in any dust accumulated in the enclosed areas, so logically all the places "treated" with that are going to be considered uninhabitable when people look back on what happened. J.P. Morgan and other high profile locales are lining up to pay for the privilege of being disinfected. Like the doctors that believed in the self serving fantasy, and then got sick from it. A self-correcting problem. Hopefully the majority of people will stop trusting in a system that is so insane, and stop this from being perpetrated on everyone else.

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Also, the subways are all going to be sprayed. And probably all the airports, and airplanes, and basically every industrial facility. In a lot of ways all these have already been "sprayed", but now they will be extra "sprayed" to the point of understanding that spraying is more of a harm than it is a prevention.

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Co-sign the below.


https://medium.com/@jbgeach/eight-reaso ... bb0bc94f00

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Eight Reasons to End the Lockdowns Now

Jonathan Geach, M.D.

We have already flattened the curve

We have gone from predictions of millions of deaths, to hundreds of thousands and now we are predicting about 60 thousand deaths. This is with the likely over reporting of death. Dr. Birx admitted the attribution of death to COVID-19 has been liberal (her word). If the death count were limited to deaths directly caused by COVID-19, it would likely be even lower than this.

The most effective time for social distancing is early in a pandemic. Lockdowns also slow the development of herd immunity, which helps a society move past the virus.
We can still practice good hand hygiene, wear masks in public, and continue social distancing for the elderly and high risk, while we develop protective herd immunity for those most at risk. By the time the lockdowns began, COVID-19 had already been seeded in the US for months, limiting the effectiveness of the lockdowns in the first place as the virus was already widespread.

Economic collapse and unemployment are destroying families

Each day the shutdown continues, we are losing approximately one million jobs, as evidenced by 16.5 million initial weekly jobless claims in three weeks (since March 26). Many of these lost jobs will never return. If the lockdowns continue through April (essentially, a best-case scenario), we’ll be lucky if job losses are limited to 25 million. Many people see 6.6 million people as just a number , as Len Kieffer put it, it is the size of the state of Missouri. Twenty five million is almost the size of the state of Texas!

The 16.5 million jobs lost thus far are only counting people who have filed jobless claims that were processed through April 8, 2020; it’s likely that the real number is quite a bit higher than this. In addition, there are millions of people not-technically-unemployed who have seen their incomes plummet. One example would be so-called gig workers, such as Uber and Lyft drivers. It’s almost certain that realtors are suffering the same fate.

We have not overburdened the health care system.

Although the ER and ICU capacity has increased in many locations, overall healthcare system capacity has decreased dramatically, as all non-COVID and non-emergent care is being neglected. This has led to layoffs of healthcare workers and delays in care for countless patients, which will result in a range of negative consequences. Assuming the need for healthcare services has remained constant while availability of such services has plummeted, countless patients are not receiving the care they need in a timely manner. In medicine, timing is of the essence, so even receiving the same exact in the future comes at a price. Many important services are being delayed: blood donations, organ donations, screening colonoscopies, and many other elective procedures. It is very important to note that elective medical care is not useless medical care; rather, it’s simply meaningful and necessary medical care that is scheduled in advance and not performed on an emergency basis.

Suicide may kill almost as many people as COVID-19 this year.

In 2018, there were 48,344 recorded suicides. Economic ruin results in a wide range of health problems, suicide, mental health issues, loss of health insurance, reluctance to visit doctors in light of financial hardship, and increases in substance abuse. This is on top of the delay in non-COVID care.

The mortality was overestimated

The IHME model, as well as Dr. Fauci have recently decreased the likely deaths from this pandemic to around 60,000 from earlier estimates of 1–2 million.The early reports of 3–4% case fatality rate (CFR) are likely misleading. The numbers miss those who are asymptomatic or recovered at home without seeking testing. What we really need to know is the infection mortality rate (IFR). Fortunately we have some good clues. Looking at the data from the Diamond Princess cruise ship, the infection fatality rate on the cruise ship was 1%. However, the average age of people on the cruise ship was much higher than the age of the average American. When you adjust for the differences in age between the cruise ship and America, you see that the IFR should be about 0.1%. There was a recent study out of Germany in the city of Gangelt where they tested 80% of the population, the IFR there was about 0.37%. The way we are testing now, we cannot know how many people have been infected with COVID-19 since we are missing those who had the disease and recovered. Antibody testing is needed to know the true number of people who have been infected. There is a good chance this number is well above 10 million, which drives the IFR down even further.

Children are at almost no risk from this disease.

The CDC estimates 37 to 187 children die every year, not from Covid-19, from the flu. This year we have lost 105 children from the flu. Yet, we have closed every school in America. Education is vitally important and a whole generation will miss a fourth of this school year. Closing schools also goes a long way towards limiting the development of herd immunity.

PPE was limited but is now becoming more available

This article is not meant to diminish the pain and horror this disease can bring to those who get it. I am a physician in one of the highest risk specialties for contracting the disease in the hospital.The lack of personal protective equipment (PPE) facing US healthcare workers is unfair and wrong. Yet, as the curve has flattened, it seems more hospitals have found adequate PPE. The CDC estimates a possible second wave would be at least 150 days from the end of the lockdown, possibly this fall. Ending the lockdowns would have no effect on the PPE for the current crisis. We would have plenty of time to prepare for a possible second wave.

Authorities should show clear evidence regarding the benefits of indefinite lockdown.

Those who want to continue the lockdown indefinitely should show clear evidence regarding the benefits of indefinite lockdown. There needs to be a clear reliable model that shows how many additional lives will be saved considering we have already flattened the curve and there is essentially no further risk of overwhelming the health care system. The previous models were wrong. The consequences of indefinite lockdown are quite staggering, to the tune of one million jobs lost per day.

Jonathan Geach, M.D.

Ankur J Patel, M.D.

Jason Friday, M.D.

Lacy Windham, M.D.

Ashkan Attaran, M.D.

Jennifer Andjelich, D.N.P.

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This SGT bit is as bad as any mainstream scaremongering. Small example, when it is said that people cannot travel between residences, it means, people cannot go to their vacation homes up north. Not as asserted, you cannot visit your mom. There are few (known) cases up north and more around Detroit.

Sometimes information may seem like fearporn, but the pure stuff dispenses with accurate information entirely.

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This SGT bit is as bad as any mainstream scaremongering. Small example, when it is said that people cannot travel between residences, it means, people cannot go to their vacation homes up north. Not as asserted, you cannot visit your mom. There are few (known) cases up north and more around Detroit.

Sometimes information may seem like fearporn, but the pure stuff dispenses with accurate information entirely.

You're wrong sadly. Read it here:

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a name frequently floated as a potential running mate for presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, has extended her stay-at-home order in response to the coronavirus pandemic to include a ban on individuals traveling between two residences.

Starting Saturday, Michigan residents will no longer be permitted to visit friends or relatives or their second homes or vacation rentals inside the state, with few exceptions such as caring for a relative, an elderly friend or pet, visiting a nursing home, attending a funeral with no more than 10 people, or complying with a court order related to child custody, the Detroit Free Press reported.

source: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ravel-bet/

And like the SGT bit showed, even shops that are still allowed to be open are absolutely forbideen to sell plant seeds or paint. Anyway, i mostly linked the video because i thought the footage of a visibly shaken Jesse Ventuira telling his CIA story was interesting and had a ring of truth to it, in my ears at least. I could be wrong though, obviously.

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I am assuming that this video has been discussed here already:



If so, can somebody point me to where?

[JackRiddler]

Here it is on page 1 of this thread, by Grizzly, where I missed it.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41979#p683460

Here it is on page 24, where I wrote about it.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41979&start=345#p684622

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Latest update from Swiss Propaganda Research:

April 12, 2020
New studies

Stanford professor of medicine John Ioannidis concludes in a new study that the risk of death from Covid19 for people under 65 years of age, even in global „hotspots“, is equivalent to the risk of a fatal car accident for daily commuters driving between 9 and 400 miles.

In a serological pilot study, the German virologist Hendrick Streeck comes to the interim result that the lethality of Covid19 is at 0.37% and the mortality (based on the total population) at 0.06%. These values are about ten times lower than those of the WHO and about five times lower than those of Johns Hopkins University.

A Danish study with 1500 blood donors found that the lethality of Covid19 is only 1.6 per thousand, i.e. more than 20 times lower than originally assumed by the WHO and thus in the range of a strong (pandemic) influenza. At the same time Denmark has decided to reopen schools and kindergartens next week.

A serological study in the US state of Colorado comes to the preliminary conclusion that the lethality of Covid19 has been overestimated by a factor of 5 to a factor of 20 and is likely to be in the range between normal and pandemic influenza.

A study conducted by the Medical University of Vienna concluded that the age and risk profile of Covid19 deaths is similar to normal mortality.

A study in the Journal of Medical Virology concludes that the internationally used coronavirus test is unreliable: In addition to the already known problem of false positive results, there is also a „potentially high“ rate of false negative results, i.e. the test does not respond even in symptomatic individuals, while in other patients it does respond once and then again not. This makes it more difficult to exclude other flu-like illnesses.

A Swiss biophysicist has for the first time evaluated and graphically displayed the rate of positive tests in the US, Germany and Switzerland. The result shows that the positive rate in these countries is increasing only slightly and not exponentially.

Dr. Daniel Jeanmonod, emeritus Swiss professor of physiology and neurosurgery, recommends in an analysis: „Think deep, do good science, and do not panic!„

US researchers conclude that local air pollution greatly increases the risk of death from Covid19. This confirms earlier studies from Italy and China.

The WHO concluded at the end of March that, contrary to earlier assumptions, Covid19 is not transmitted by aerosols („through the air“). Transmission mainly takes place through direct contact or by droplet infection (coughing, sneezing).

The German-American epidemiology professor Knut Wittkowski argues in a new interview that the Covid19 epidemic is already declining or even „already over“ in many countries. The curfews had come too late and had been counterproductive, Wittkowski argues.

Much more, along with links to original articles, at https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

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Can someone explain how to tell the difference between a false positive and an asymptomatic?