Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

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The AP surrealist masterpiece I posted above -- stating that Ryan L. had dunnit and that Adam L. was in police custody -- was in fact released on the very day of the massacre.

Honestly, whatever else happened, I doubt it was "released." Pete Yost got it Pete Yost's way. And he can do that in part because he can get away with being wrong in the ways that he ended up being. And in part because he put in the time and effort to have that luxury. But whatever. He gets paid for delivering info uniquely available through him. As long as it sells papers, he can pick up some corrections occasionally without penalty.

I can't say I even think that's all that much of an outrage, per se. I mean, at least he does some work.

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you're not talking about AP there. You're talking about Pete Yost

I doubt it was "released."

For christ's sake, spare us any more of these utterly worthless "doubts" and "opinions".

It is sourced to AP. It is still attributed to AP, five weeks later. It even begins with the words, "AP source". And obviously it was released.

[82_28]

It is very strong prima facie evidence that Adam Lanza was set up.

No it isn't. Why would you even say that?

I'll echo Mac and say that the frame by frame shit and HOW VIRAL this shit became in a matter of seconds, it still, if one is to assume nefarious psyop on a grand scale and the utilities at hand -- this could have all been done in the ways done suggested by all us liberal conspiracy theorists. Dollars for donuts, I would go with framed myself. But I hear you too and dollars for donuts I'll run with that as well.

BUT

Look at the effect it has had on everything we now are grappling with as being the "new normal". We knew we were being controlled before and now the notch has been set a little higher and to almost, one must surmise, verging on civil war proportions. Shit needed a fuse and the right needs a fuse in order to be relevant. But it's that notch. You can't go back. Only the American Fascist Party would I not put this past and liberal measures that passed are merely gasoline on an already burning structure. The idea that this shit was a psyop is a doubly important factor as it serves dual purposes yet, with no solution, because there isn't one. And that, I say was the point or the one pounced upon, otherwise known as "disaster capitalism" or some shit.

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"Realistically"? "Misspeakings"? What shameless rubbish. What utterly helpless garbage.

"Realistically" strikes me as pretty apt. The problem with theorizing about unknown and unfamiliar events and processes is precisely that there's no way to infer what most of the relevant factors and circumstances likely to be realistically in play and in need of accommodation even are.

I wouldn't say that "misspeaking" was a horrendous mischaracterization born of bias and agenda or anything like that. But it does err on the side of neutrality somewhat, imo. All three of the potential pieces of disinformation under examination involve at least one problematic mistake, at a minimum. Meaning "culpable error," at best. In the first case, so far that's just wrt the Sun. But still. It was a mistake. And it represents a bigger problem than "misspeaking" conveys.

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I do have to say that the strong case for there having been a systematic and organized spreading of disinfo isn't one yet. However.

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It is very strong prima facie evidence that Adam Lanza was set up.

No it isn't. Why would you even say that?

I'll echo Mac and say that the frame by frame shit and HOW VIRAL this shit became in a matter of seconds, it still, if one is to assume nefarious psyop on a grand scale and the utilities at hand -- this could have all been done in the ways done suggested by all us liberal conspiracy theorists

Maybe I'm missing something. But doesn't that mean it was done by the very same people suggesting it? More or less? Law enforcement's not in charge of what goes viral, after all.

Or not evidently, anyway. I mean, they put a lot of stuff out there. Not all of it catches on.

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you're not talking about AP there. You're talking about Pete Yost

I doubt it was "released."

For christ's sake, spare us any more of these utterly worthless "doubts" and "opinions".

It is sourced to AP. It is still attributed to AP, five weeks later. It even begins with the words, "AP source". And obviously it was released.

It's in a story written and reported by Pete Yost of the Associated Press.

My opinions and the qualifications I put on them are worth as much as anyone's, including yours. As such. So please discredit them on their merits. And, you know. Stop personally insulting my worth for no reason and stuff.

Thanks.

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I'm with 82_28. Don't you guys have better things to use your incredible IQs on than deconstructing news coverage of this event? Stop nit-picking each other to death. Please.

[82_28]

One thing I have noted and it is an obscure note and an explanation for why I intrinsically "don't believe" in time -- you must look at acts within a window of past and future. You can get a lot out of that because you can sorta get the mood of the days and also grasp the media as it was. It's especially helpful when you have a modest sized town, crimes against left wing politicians and all you have to work with is newspapers with the OCR tech applied to millions of pages and searchable. Moments in time I believe in some fucked up way happen in much more than the "moment to moment" way we view it as. Moments in time happen week to week and month to month. This is the deal. You must look at the past, especially recent past to the date you're honed in on and the soon to come future. I'm not fucking around.

You stay on a schedule and the control is all in the schedule. That's why fucking shit happens like this, because we're all being led to some weird slaughter.

Thing is, is I cannot figure out what the bonus is for these fuckers who create the objects that do harm and what it's back story is all the while engendering a wholesome all American fucking uber persona. That's when I slip into my theories on the occult.

If you're out there, occult. Fuck you. We're onto you and we will one day find you.

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2. Nancy Lanza was a teacher at the school.

That originated as an AP wire report which stated:

At least one parent said Lanza’s mother was a substitute teacher at the school. But her name did not appear on a staff list. And the official said investigators were unable to establish any connection so far between her and the school.

So it was never more than a rumor. I blame Twitter. And people. I blame people. They say stuff that's not even so. And to reporters no less!

I wouldn't say that was a rumor, exactly. I'd say that AP accurately characterized it as something one person said that hadn't been confirmed, after which everyone started repeating it, with or without those worthy qualifications.

The rumor that I've heard is actually that it was spread by law enforcement. But I don't think that was intentionally disinformational.

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Three examples of untruths spread by anonymous "law enforcement officials" and/or the corporate media:

1.Adam Lanza had an altercation with four people at the school one day before killing three of them.

While both incorrect and untrue, there's not one iota of evidence that it was spread by law enforcement, thus stated. The Sun made an egregiously stupid error.

Untrue. Here's the evidence:



Count how often he cites "state" and "federal" "law enforcement officials" as his source.

One minute's googling would have found that for you. Don't mention it.

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2. Nancy Lanza was a teacher at the school.

That originated as an AP wire report which stated:

At least one parent said Lanza’s mother was a substitute teacher at the school. But her name did not appear on a staff list. And the official said investigators were unable to establish any connection so far between her and the school.

So it was never more than a rumor. I blame Twitter. And people. I blame people. They say stuff that's not even so. And to reporters no less!

I wouldn't say that was a rumor, exactly. I'd say that AP accurately characterized it as something one person said that hadn't been confirmed, after which everyone started repeating it, with or without those worthy qualifications.

The rumor that I've heard is actually that it was spread by law enforcement. But I don't think that was intentionally disinformational.

Dude. Everything was disinformational. That was the whole goddamn point all along -- if you're running with the "theories". It is what it is and it happened. The rest they can fuck around with for the rest of all of our lives because they are authority. And authority means what the word authority means.

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2. Nancy Lanza was a teacher at the school.

That originated as an AP wire report which stated:

At least one parent said Lanza’s mother was a substitute teacher at the school. But her name did not appear on a staff list. And the official said investigators were unable to establish any connection so far between her and the school.

So it was never more than a rumor. I blame Twitter. And people. I blame people. They say stuff that's not even so. And to reporters no less!

I wouldn't say that was a rumor, exactly. I'd say that AP accurately characterized it as something one person said that hadn't been confirmed, after which everyone started repeating it, with or without those worthy qualifications.

The rumor that I've heard is actually that it was spread by law enforcement. But I don't think that was intentionally disinformational.

I don't know which of you is worse. It's not a rumour that the "Nancy Lanza was a teacher" lie was spread by law enforcement. It's a demonstrable fact that it was spread by law enforcement. QED. I posted a link just minutes ago, demonstrating beyond doubt that the claim that Nancy Lanza was a teacher at the school was spread -- in the early afternoon of Dec. 14th -- by an anonymous "law enforcement official", who also stated that Adam Lanza was alive and well and in police custody. As you very well know, because you just read that AP story and commented on it yourself.

I'll quote it for you again again again. (Don't mention it.):

The law enforcement official says the boys' mother, Nancy Lanza, works at the school as a teacher.

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-source-suspect ... itics.html

So stop wilfully spreading disinformation, c2w, and stop trolling the thread.

My opinions and the qualifications I put on them are worth as much as anyone's

Demonstrably not, in this particular thread. You are stating untruths, which are worthless. And you're doing it wilfully, knowingly and at interminable length here, which is why it pisses me off so.

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One thing I have noted and it is an obscure note and an explanation for why I intrinsically "don't believe" in time -- you must look at acts within a window of past and future. You can get a lot out of that because you can sorta get the mood of the days and also grasp the media as it was. It's especially helpful when you have a modest sized town, crimes against left wing politicians and all you have to work with is newspapers with the OCR tech applied to millions of pages and searchable. Moments in time I believe in some fucked up way happen in much more than the "moment to moment" way we view it as. Moments in time happen week to week and month to month. This is the deal. You must look at the past, especially recent past to the date you're honed in on and the soon to come future. I'm not fucking around.

You stay on a schedule and the control is all in the schedule. That's why fucking shit happens like this, because we're all being led to some weird slaughter.

Thing is, is I cannot figure out what the bonus is for these fuckers who create the objects that do harm and what it's back story is all the while engendering a wholesome all American fucking uber persona. That's when I slip into my theories on the occult.

If you're out there, occult. Fuck you. We're onto you and we will one day find you.

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2. Nancy Lanza was a teacher at the school

I can't tell whether what happened there is that the sourcing in AP's story got fucked up as it got passed down the wire or whether Yost or the stringer got it from both a law enforcement source and a parent. My money's on the former. But either is a realistic possibility. Sadly, the latter just means that both AP and law enforcement could have gotten it from the parent, though.

So it's not clearly a lie, either way.

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Kind of sad how people focused more on the "what dead children? It's all an illusion!" theory than the "so, what exactly are the connections between Aurora and Sandy Hook, and possibly other shootings?"

A lot of eerie syncs, if nothing else. Anyways, you'd think that b/w photo of Lanza was the Zapruder film the way ya guys been examining it. (Must be a slow week) :p