David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby Searcher08 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:45 pm

American Dream » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:16 am wrote:
Searcher08 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:50 pm wrote:
American Dream » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:35 pm wrote:
Searcher08 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:48 pm wrote:I am not going to HAVE to do anything, AD

I made a request of you, to ask the people mentioned how they felt ie their subjective experience as a result of your communication with them. I asked you for empathy and to be listened to.

You refused.


First I'd like to see some concrete examples of what you've alleged of me. Then we can move on from there.


ON EDIT: That's fair, right? You've complained to the mods about what you consider to be exceptionally bad behavior and it's quite reasonable to ask you to be specific by citing representative examples that illustrate your complaint.

If that's not reasonable to you, why not?
.


I made a simple (and sincere) request to you to engage, to take five and just to listen. To allow the locus, the centre of the communication to be The Other, not you. To ask and to listen without predudice. In a 'divine feminine' / receptive / empathic / nurturing way - this part is a Heart thing, not a Head thing. You are only doing 'Men are from Mars' - I was requesting 'Venusian'.

Why not?

Because it is order sensitive.
If you are able to really empathise with each of us, then what you describe as complaints are often transformed to a feedback that can empower BOTH parties.

It is the diference between, say, If I had an issue of how I am treated when I go into the coop bakery and ask about X, Y, Z orders and raise the issue. If someone comes out and engages and empathises (I'm sorry you are upset. May I listen? You sound really upset- and then just sincere listening and acknowledging taking place) before taking on board what is said
versus
'You have not provided me with a list of complaints.'


Searcher- quite honestly, I'll be more receptive to your request after you ground the complaints you have lodged against me in concrete happenings.

That is how I feel and it doesn't seem likely to change soon.


My request was order sensitive for reasons I carefully explained above,
for you to say

"I will be receptive to your request for you to go first

AFTER
I have gone first"

is more Infinite Looping
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby American Dream » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:57 pm

Searcher08 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:45 pm wrote:
American Dream » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:16 am wrote:
Searcher08 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:50 pm wrote:
American Dream » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:35 pm wrote:
Searcher08 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:48 pm wrote:I am not going to HAVE to do anything, AD

I made a request of you, to ask the people mentioned how they felt ie their subjective experience as a result of your communication with them. I asked you for empathy and to be listened to.

You refused.


First I'd like to see some concrete examples of what you've alleged of me. Then we can move on from there.


ON EDIT: That's fair, right? You've complained to the mods about what you consider to be exceptionally bad behavior and it's quite reasonable to ask you to be specific by citing representative examples that illustrate your complaint.

If that's not reasonable to you, why not?
.


I made a simple (and sincere) request to you to engage, to take five and just to listen. To allow the locus, the centre of the communication to be The Other, not you. To ask and to listen without predudice. In a 'divine feminine' / receptive / empathic / nurturing way - this part is a Heart thing, not a Head thing. You are only doing 'Men are from Mars' - I was requesting 'Venusian'.

Why not?

Because it is order sensitive.
If you are able to really empathise with each of us, then what you describe as complaints are often transformed to a feedback that can empower BOTH parties.

It is the diference between, say, If I had an issue of how I am treated when I go into the coop bakery and ask about X, Y, Z orders and raise the issue. If someone comes out and engages and empathises (I'm sorry you are upset. May I listen? You sound really upset- and then just sincere listening and acknowledging taking place) before taking on board what is said
versus
'You have not provided me with a list of complaints.'


Searcher- quite honestly, I'll be more receptive to your request after you ground the complaints you have lodged against me in concrete happenings.

That is how I feel and it doesn't seem likely to change soon.


My request was order sensitive for reasons I carefully explained above,
for you to say

"I will be receptive to your request for you to go first

AFTER
I have gone first"

is more Infinite Looping


I asked you to ground your accusations against me in verifiable dialogue well before this and this, essentially is your response. I have a very reasonable justification to ask you to link whatever complaints you lodged against me in verifiable happenings on this thread and this in effect is your response.

So who's creating the infinite loop?

I'm getting tired of this- ready to post something directly related to Icke again...
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby American Dream » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:13 pm

http://www.serendipity.li/eden/librizzi.htm

The Anunnaki, the Vampire and the Structure of Dissent

By Marcus LiBrizzi


The vampire, an archetypal figure who pops up in many myths from around the world, is most familiar to Western audiences in the form of Bram Stoker's Dracula and Anne Rice's Lestat — aristocratic bloodsucking immortals of unholy origin. In more paranoid circles, vampires have been re-imagined as a race of alien beings called the Anunnaki, who have traveled from beyond to control and colonize the planet Earth (in fact, they've been in control for quite a while now). Looking at the conspiracy theories of underground celebrity David Icke, Marcus LiBrizzi offers his own theory about the meaning of these horrific beings for a world caught in the grip of a grand economic reorganization. Linking these myths to the realities of transnational capital and the Network Society, LiBrizzi is able to craft his own compelling narrative about the horrors of the New World Order. [Editor's introduction to the previous publication.]


<1> The latest incarnation of the vampire — in the conspiracy theories of David Icke — reveals the critical, revolutionary heart of the vampire legend. Discourse on the vampire appears above all to provide a structure of dissent, a metaphorical means of representing and soliciting critiques of the social order. The Anunnaki form of the vampire — in its immersion in the constellation of contemporary conspiracy theories, in its reflection on global capitalism, and in its blurring of historical and fictional narratives — has moved this structure of dissent from the cloak of darkness to the light of day.

<2> Considered by some to be the reigning conspiracy theorist in the US, David Icke (who is British) formulates his theories of a worldwide, age-old conspiracy around an extraterrestrial race of beings called the Anunnaki. Self-styled the "most controversial author and speaker in the world," David Icke has been subject to much ridicule but has nonetheless become an industry, publishing eleven books, producing video and audiotapes, embarking on a worldwide lecture circuit, and creating a website that allegedly attracts 10,000 visitors a day (Canadian, Par. 13). A former soccer player from a working-class family, Icke became a household name in the UK as a national sports and news reporter for the BBC and as the spokesperson for the Green Party ("About", Par. 7-8). Starting a full-time writing career in the early 1990s, Icke began with New Age inspired works like Truth Vibrations (1991), which combines accounts of his self transformation with psychically-imparted warnings on the imminent destruction of the earth, from there moving towards conventional conspiracy theories, and finally, beginning with his 1999 book The Biggest Secret, focusing his conspiracy theories around the Anunnaki and their nefarious involvement in human history.

<3> The Anunnaki, whose name is Sumerian, meaning "Those who from Heaven to Earth Came" (Icke, p.5), are a reptilian race that originated from the legendary planet known as Nibiru (Planet X), or the place of the crossing, which has a 3,600 year elliptical orbit that takes it between Jupiter and Mars and then out into space (p.5). For the past 450,000 years, according to Icke, the Anunnaki have been ruling earth in different guises and from different dimensions. Through genetic engineering, the Anunnaki have manipulated the evolution of humans as a slave race. "[T]he Anunnaki created bloodlines to rule humanity on their behalf," he writes, "and these [...] are the families still in control of the world to this day" (p.9). The interbreeding of the rich and powerful (primarily, for Icke, the European aristocracy and the Eastern Establishment of the US) is not done for reasons of snobbery but rather "to hold a genetic structure that gives them certain abilities, especially the ability to 'shape-shift' and manifest in other forms" (p.9). Working with these crossbreeds are full-blooded Anunnaki, some physically present on earth, others influencing individuals and events psychically from what Icke calls "the lower fourth dimension" (p.25). Forming a "Brotherhood" or secret society network, the Anunnaki have effectively "hijack[ed] the planet" (p.46).

<4> The recurring motif in the discourse on the Anunnaki is vampirism. In fact, so strong is this component in their depiction that it's safe to say that Icke's work represents one of the most recent developments in the discourse of the vampire. "While vampire beliefs are varied," writes James Craig Holte, "certain elements of the vampire myth are consistent. The most important are the inability to experience death, the importance of blood, and the sexual connection between vampire and victim" (Holte, p.246). Other structural similarities between the traditional vampire and the Anunnaki include shape-shifting, hypnotism, and links to secret societies. After establishing the Anunnaki as a manifestation of the vampire, we'll unpack the implications of this figure, using the tools of a Marxist critical practice.

<5> The Anunnaki, like traditional vampires, enjoy eternal or extended life spans. Icke claims that "[t]he fourth dimensional reptilians wear their human bodies like a genetic overcoat and when one body dies the same reptilian 'moves house' to another body and continues the Agenda into another generation" (p.46). One type of creature Icke describes is a reptilian "inside" a human physical body; "it seems that [...] [the Anunnaki] need to occupy a very reptilian dominated genetic stream to do this, hence certain bloodlines always end up in the positions of power. Other less pure crossbreed human-reptilians are those bodies which are possessed by a reptilian consciousness from the fourth dimension and these are people whom psychics see as essentially human, but 'overshadowed' by a reptilian" (p.46). Crossbreeding to infuse reptilian genetics into human bloodlines, the Anunnaki gain the means to defy death, as we conceive it.

<6> In respect to blood drinking, Icke is very clear: The Anunnaki drink blood, which they need in order to exist in this dimension and hold a human form (p.288). Embedded in this need lies another parallel between the Anunnaki and the figure of the vampire — the power to shape-shift (from reptilian to human form for the Anunnaki, and usually from vampire form to that of bat or even mist for the traditional vampire). But the Anunnaki also feed off fear, aggression and other negative emotions. Thus, while blood is needed as a vital life force, the Anunnaki are also addicted to "adrenalchrome," a hormone released in the human body during periods of extreme terror (pp.290,331). Rather than sucking the blood directly from the necks of their victims, the Anunnaki apparently slash the throats of their victims from left to right and consume the blood out of goblets (p.303). Icke claims that the origin of the vampire stories are the blood drinking and "energy sucking" rituals of the Anunnaki (p.26). "In India," he writes, "it was called soma and in Greece it was ambrosia, some researchers suggest. This was said to be the nectar of the gods and it was — the reptilian gods who are genetic blood drinkers" (p.288).

<7> In the sexual connection between slayer and victim, the Anunnaki also share another similarity with the traditional vampire. However, depictions of the Anunnaki by Icke contain none of the erotic allure and seductiveness that distinguish many vampire texts. Instead, the sexual bond between the Anunnaki and their victims is characterized by violence — rape, murder, and Satanic ritual. "Satanism at its core is about the manipulation and theft of another person's energy and consciousness," writes Icke, who states that "Sex is so common in Satanic ritual because at the moment of orgasm, the body explodes with energy which the Satanists and the reptiles can capture and absorb" (p.295). For Icke, of course, the demons honored or appeased by satanic sex rituals are none other than the reptilian Anunnaki (p.34). Sex is also a fundamental tool of the Anunnaki mind control program and, more prosaically, it figures prominently as a means of blackmail. The picture that emerges is one involving vast networks of sexual abuse and ritual murder — graphic accounts of satanic practices at the playgrounds for world leaders, such as the Bohemian Grove, a 2,700 acre compound north of San Francisco — mass graves for victims drained of their blood and libidinal energies — and the cultivation of sexual crimes to create an energy field that nourishes these rapacious ETs.

<8> There are other shared traits between the traditional vampire and the Anunnaki, for example, the role of secret societies. One of Icke's chief contributions to the discourse on the vampire lies in his immersion of this figure into a vast web of clandestine organizations, from ancient mystery schools and cults like the Brotherhood of the Snake to the Knights Templar and the Masonic Order, from global entities like the UN, the Trilateral Commission, and the Council on Foreign Relations to drug cartels, satanic churches, and the Black Nobility. A keystone in this architecture of conspiracy is the Order of Draco, which conjures up the most famous of all vampires — Count Dracula — and underscores his demonic, draconian, and reptilian associations. "According to [Laurence] Gardner, the name Dracula means 'Son of Dracul' and was inspired by Prince Vlad III of Transylvania-Wallachia, a chancellor of the Court of the Dragon in the 15th century. This prince's father was called Dracul within the Court" (p.56). In their network of secret societies, of which the Order of Draco is but a single manifestation, the Anunnaki highlight the conspiratorial dimension of all vampires. Finally, the Anunnaki share with the traditional vampire the capacity to hypnotize: Icke writes that reptilian bloodlines "have the ability to produce an extremely powerful hypnotic stare, just like a snake hypnotizing its prey and this is the origin of giving someone the 'evil eye'" (p.42).

<9> Icke's paradigm displays more than the vitality, persistence, and adaptive qualities of the vampire legend. His theories reveal the dissident energies contained already in the vampire legacy.

<10> To begin with, Icke's work represents a major fusion of the vampire cult and the field of conspiracy theories. Richard Hofstadter, in his famous essay "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" (1963) claims that the "distinguishing thing about the paranoid style is not that its exponents see conspiracies or plots here and there in history, but that they regard a 'vast' [...] conspiracy as the motive force in historical events. History is a conspiracy" (p.29). Conspiracies, even when they're not construed as vast, over-arching plots, however, have an internal, integrative logic. In other words, there is a momentum in conspiracy theories to pull in all other theories, and finally to arrive at a state in which everything is connected. Part of Icke's popularity lies in his ability to integrate most contemporary American conspiracy theories into one over-arching framework. Situated squarely in the center of this design is the ancient figure of the vampire. Thus, the vampire (or, more specifically, the Anunnaki Vampire) has colonized the field of conspiracy theories — government-sponsored alien cover-ups, the New World Order, suspicious deaths, the secret government, suppressed research, the intrigues of the CIA, and the list goes on indefinitely.

<11> From a Marxist perspective, of course, this development is more than just a formal or aesthetic innovation, for many of the conspiracy theories now circulating in the cultural medium of the US contain, at their core, critical, dissenting, and rebellious points of view (encompassing both extreme right and left) that are articulated in opposition to the social, political, and cultural status quo. While Hofstadter claims that the US has no monopoly on conspiracism, other scholars like Peter Knight hold that conspiracy theories hold an indispensable place in American ideology formation, and that current "conspiracy theories can be read in part as panicked responses to the increasing multiculturalism and globalization of the present" (Knight, p.5). Revolutionary or reactionary, however, these theories are inimical to the governing elite and represent a tradition of oppositional practice. As Knight puts it, "conspiracy theory has become the lingua franca of a countercultural opposition that encompasses a vast spectrum of political thinking from the committed to the casual" (pp.6-7).

<12> An initial difficulty in seeing the vampire as a symbol of the ruling class — capitalist or otherwise — lies in the diverse variations taken on by vampires in different places and times. As Brian Frost puts it, "the vampire is a polymorphic phenomenon with a host of disparate guises to its credit" (Frost, p.1). Among the various legendary "guises" of the vampire inventoried by Frost are spirit vampires, astral vampires, psychic vampires, animal vampires, and real-life vampires who are "sadistic criminals [...] urged on by a physical craving for blood" (p.15). Complicating the picture is the fact that Bram Stoker's character of Count Dracula, who for many encapsulates the aristocratic ethos of the vampire, "lacks precisely what makes a man 'noble': servants. Dracula stoops to driving the carriage, cooking the meals, making the beds, cleaning the castle" (Moretti, p.90). Furthermore, in some of the earliest European vampire legends, the undead feed off the living members of their own families (Murgoci, p.18), which at first glance mitigates the social-class dynamic often conjured up in the image of aristocratic vampires draining the lifeblood of their locals.

<13> There is, nevertheless, a critical and even radical dimension to the figure of the vampire, who, as a parasite, circulates as a political metaphor. The word vampire has from the start been used in oppositional literature as a symbol of an exploiting class, government, industry, or institution. A decade "after the introduction of the word 'vampire' in an English publication in 1732, (an account of the investigation of Arnold Paul in Serbia) [...] [a] serious utilization of the vampire as a political metaphor occurred in Observations on the Revolution of 1688 ([...] published in 1741)" which identified foreign investors as "'Vampires of the Publick'" (Melton, p.538). Only "[a] few years later, in 1764, Voltaire, in his Philosophical Dictionary," refers to "vampires" as "'stock-jobbers, brokers, and men of business who sucked the blood of the people in broad daylight'" (p.538).

<14> But it was Marx who first suggested that the vampire can be interpreted as a metaphor of capitalism and who also implied a method for this interpretation. In volume one of Capital (1867), he writes that "Capital is dead labour, which, vampire-like, lives only by sucking living labour, and lives the more, the more labour it sucks" (p.342). Extrapolating on this analogy, Franco Moretti provides a reading of Bram Stoker's Dracula, writing, "If the vampire is a metaphor for capital, then Stoker's vampire, who is of 1897, must be the capital of 1897" (Moretti, p.92). Accordingly, Moretti sees Count Dracula as the expression or figure of monopoly capitalism, which, to the 19th century bourgeoisie, could not be recognized as an emerging force but only as a relic of the past displaced into the present (p.93). Whether or not one agrees with Moretti's reading of the Count, it is his method that's of most value. As Rob Latham pus it, "Moretti stresses that, while the vampire is a perfect general image for the basic mechanism of capitalist development, individual vampire texts illuminate specifically the historical phases of capitalism in which they are produced" (Latham, p.129).

<15> Applying Moretti's method, we can perceive the Anunnaki as metaphorical of the unique forms capitalism has taken by the 21st Century. Certainly, Anunnaki vampires embody the market for genetic engineering as well as space exploration. These dimensions, in fact, are projected back into the origins of Anunnaki control over earth and its resources: travel from another planet, interdimensional traffic, and a crossbreeding agenda coterminous with the evolution of the human race. Anunnaki vampires also control finance, which was undergoing a tremendous transformation and development during the time when Icke was writing that, of all the spheres of Anunnaki domination, "The most important [...] in terms of control, is banking" (p.207). Electronic banking, credit, and the demediation of stock exchange through on-line trading are some of the key elements in the recent development of the finance industry (Castells, pp. 152-153). But we can go deeper than this kind of analysis, and discover in the discourse on the Anunnaki examples of remarkable changes, not in select markets, but rather in the very structure of the economy.

<16> In this, more significant, sense the Anunnaki are linked to present-day capitalism through their association with global control. Icke consistently depicts these alien bloodsuckers as monopolizing world leadership positions in government, finance, religion and the media. In this sense, Anunnaki vampires represent a demonized expression of the unique form capitalism has taken during the very period in which Icke's theories were formulated, published and popularized. The late 1990s issued in — for the first time in history — a global economy, defined by Manuel Castells as "an economy whose core components have the institutional, organizational, and technological capacity to work as a unit in real time, or in chosen time, on a planetary scale" (p.102). Thus, "this is a new brand of capitalism, technologically, organizationally, and institutionally distinct" (pp.160-161).

<17> The forces spearheading this change derive in part from key industries, notably information technology — centering on the Internet — finance and biotechnology (Castells, p.161). Other contributing factors in the formation of the global economy are government policies that restructured capitalism through laws deregulating and liberalizing economic activity (p.148). The global economy has, of course, catapulted the scale of capitalism; "for the first time in history the whole planet is capitalist or dependent on its connection to global capitalist networks" (pp.160-161). However, as Castells points out, the global economy "is not a planetary economy [...] [because] it does not embrace all economic processes in the planet, it does not include all territories, and it does not include all people in its workings, although it does affect directly or indirectly the livelihood of all humankind" (p.132). Thus the global economy is significant, not only for it inclusivity, but also for its significant and shifting exclusions, marginalizations and hidden bypasses fraught through its great grid or network of power relations.

<18> Anunnaki vampires are perfectly suited to, and a perfect representation of, a global economy in the scope of their engagement and their profile in emergent industries, but there are other ways as well. This is because their secret agenda has always already been the creation of a one-world government — a New World Order — bypassing nations and creating a system or web from which there is no escape. The New World Order figures prominently in conspiracy theories and in literature such as Aldous Huxley's Brave New World (1932) and George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four (1949). But during the millennium and start of the 21st Century, demonstrations against globalism have been on the rise, responding to rapid developments in transnationalism. Another aspect of the Anunnaki relevant here is their multicultural image. The Anunnaki have been written retroactively into all mythological systems, making them true transnationals. For example, they people the pages of the Indian Vedas, Babylonian myths, as well as the books of the Bible, and they are at the heart of ancient snake-worshipping cults worldwide. Moreover, they are literally seeded into the human genome through the Anunnaki engineering of the race, interbreeding alien genetics into all peoples, symbolized, for example in Genesis, as the saliva Jehovah mixes with clay to form the first man.

<19> Not surprisingly, Anunnaki narratives have a lot to say in terms of the location, construction, and commodification of the self. Unlike traditional vampires who feed solely off a victim's blood or soul, the Anunnaki thrive on negative energies such as fear and aggression. These ETs drain individuals of their sense of wellbeing through the manipulation and absorption of libidinal energies and — ultimately — the theft of consciousness and agency. On the one hand, the location of the self that the Anunnaki attack seems closely linked to consumerist notions. For example, New Age self-actualization products as well as the market for energy drinks — even caffeine-enhanced water — not to mention designer drugs — are only a few of the new industries catering profitably to the very malady Icke derives from Anunnaki domination. And, of course, Icke's works themselves represent a (profitable) venture in a multi-million dollar market for conspiracy theories in American popular culture. On the other hand, discourse on the Anunnaki is not necessarily complicit with the capitalist system that produces such effects. A current line of cultural theory "has alleged that the modalities of consumer culture — and the forms of subjectivity they enable — do not necessarily integrate seamlessly into the capitalist society which has mobilized them but may instead be potentially subversive of its purposes" (Latham, p.132). The consumption of Icke's works — in fact, the growing market for conspiracism in the US — would seem to be a case in point here, disseminating and perpetuating an oppositional worldview, a "hermeneutics of suspicion," while contributing to the accumulation of capital.

<20> Another revealing dimension of Anunnaki vampires lies in their collective depiction; unlike many accounts of the vampire, Icke's theories do not revolve around distinct Anunnaki individuals but rather focuses on them as a class or group; in this sense the Anunnaki do not convey the same individualistic focus so often encountered in vampire narratives. Even Anunnaki forms of consciousness are best described as a "groupthink" mentality. On this, Icke writes that "The reptilians seek [...] to influence everyone by stimulating the behavioral patterns of the reptile region of the brain — hierarchical thinking, aggression, conflict, division, lack of compassion and a need for ritual" (p.46). Symbolic of contemporary capitalism, this collective depiction of the Anunnaki reflects the rise of networks, and their decentering development, which have instrumentally caused — and are themselves produced by — the new global economy. The network supersedes the individual as the subject of the vampire narrative. Here Castells, speaking on the network society of global economics, is instructive: "For the first time in history, the basic unit of economic organization is not a subject, be it individual (such as the entrepreneur [...]) or collective (such as the capitalist class, the corporation, the state) [...] [Instead] the unit is the network, made up of a variety of subjects and organizations, relentlessly modified as networks adapt" (Castells, p.214).

<21> In their networked, post-subjective form of the vampire, the Anunnaki are metaphorical of the precise trajectory assumed by contemporary capitalism. Network is the same term Icke uses to describe the reptilian base of operations today, writing "After thousands of years of evolution, the reptilian network is now a vast and often unfathomable web of interconnecting secret societies, banks, businesses, political parties, security agencies, media owners, and so on" (Icke, p.259). Discourse on the Anunnaki vampire is in step with broader trends in American conspiracy theories, themselves responses to ideological crises associated with post-modernism and the growth of a network society. Writing on conspiracy theories in the postwar US, Timothy Melley points out that "the term 'conspiracy' rarely signifies a small, secret plot any more. Instead, it frequently refers to the workings of a large organization, technology, or system, a powerful and obscure entity so dispersed that it is the very antithesis of the traditional conspiracy" (Melley, p.59). Melley argues that conspiracy theories in the US have historically been an ideological means of validating individualism. And this new, impersonal breed of conspiracism reflects anxiety over the loss of individuality and agency and stands as both "an acknowledgment, and rejection, of postmodern subjectivity" (p.65).

<22> Perhaps most revealing of all is the dissolution of the boundary between fantasy and reality — the presentation of the vampire as an historical agent rather than a fictional character. Deeply ironic and radical, this slippage of fact and fantasy drives the vampire legacy much closer to its critical core. If the traditional vampire articulates dissent, it also distorts the representation of real relations, which are displaced into the realm of the imaginary. In the form of the Anunnaki, however, vampires have infiltrated the field of conspiracy theories, spilling from the page onto the pavement, as it were. Moving from metaphor to a kind of mimesis of the grotesque, the vampire legacy shape-shifts — its implicit charge evolving into an explosive critique.

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This article was previously published in the Fall 2000 edition of the online magazine reconstruction: studies in contemporary culture.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby brekin » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:52 pm

In the form of the Anunnaki, however, vampires have infiltrated the field of conspiracy theories, spilling from the page onto the pavement, as it were. Moving from metaphor to a kind of mimesis of the grotesque, the vampire legacy shape-shifts — its implicit charge evolving into an explosive critique.


Exactly. And it should be pointed out that vampires in the last century and before portrayed in films, plays and books morphed to fit the anxiety of particular agendas and infiltrated conspiracy theories of the time. Vamps, sexually liberated women who sucked away men's vitality threatening patriarchy were seen as modern day vampires, Jews and foreigners were seen as vampires who sucked a nation dry. There has also always been a strong fear of homosexual seduction and recruitment in the vampire narrative which has remained a constant anxiety and familiar fundamentalist conspiracy. To say nothing of non-Christian practitioners of "foreign" faiths. Icke's spin is he starts at the conclusion of conspiracy theories "Why they are just like vampires!" And is able to capture all the anxieties without the embarrassment of having been too specific.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

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Searcher08 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:45 pm wrote:
American Dream » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:16 am wrote:
Searcher08 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:50 pm wrote:
American Dream » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:35 pm wrote:
Searcher08 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:48 pm wrote:I am not going to HAVE to do anything, AD

I made a request of you, to ask the people mentioned how they felt ie their subjective experience as a result of your communication with them. I asked you for empathy and to be listened to.

You refused.


First I'd like to see some concrete examples of what you've alleged of me. Then we can move on from there.


ON EDIT: That's fair, right? You've complained to the mods about what you consider to be exceptionally bad behavior and it's quite reasonable to ask you to be specific by citing representative examples that illustrate your complaint.

If that's not reasonable to you, why not?
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I made a simple (and sincere) request to you to engage, to take five and just to listen. To allow the locus, the centre of the communication to be The Other, not you. To ask and to listen without predudice. In a 'divine feminine' / receptive / empathic / nurturing way - this part is a Heart thing, not a Head thing. You are only doing 'Men are from Mars' - I was requesting 'Venusian'.

Why not?

Because it is order sensitive.
If you are able to really empathise with each of us, then what you describe as complaints are often transformed to a feedback that can empower BOTH parties.

It is the diference between, say, If I had an issue of how I am treated when I go into the coop bakery and ask about X, Y, Z orders and raise the issue. If someone comes out and engages and empathises (I'm sorry you are upset. May I listen? You sound really upset- and then just sincere listening and acknowledging taking place) before taking on board what is said
versus
'You have not provided me with a list of complaints.'


Searcher- quite honestly, I'll be more receptive to your request after you ground the complaints you have lodged against me in concrete happenings.

That is how I feel and it doesn't seem likely to change soon.


My request was order sensitive for reasons I carefully explained above,
for you to say

"I will be receptive to your request for you to go first

AFTER
I have gone first"

is more Infinite Looping


I asked you to ground your accusations against me in verifiable dialogue well before this and this, essentially is your response. I have a very reasonable justification to ask you to link whatever complaints you lodged against me in verifiable happenings on this thread and this in effect is your response.

So who's creating the infinite loop?

.



Your language above in the space of justification and reasons, not listening.

"I will be receptive to your request for you to go first
AFTER
I have gone first"

So in answer to your question:
You are.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby brekin » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:40 pm

Searcher08 maybe you should take this stalemate with AD to PM'ing?
At this point is seems more about different communication styles than anything related to thread content.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby 82_28 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:22 pm

AD, you're good in my eyes and some may disagree. But, Mason Bilderberg, you're a fucking idiot and I, as a member here are sick of you, but I will never tire of pointing out how you miss every last cogent point sent your way. It's like smoking a cigarette to me. It's enjoyable and consoling, relaxing and all that. Still gonna kill you though -- that cig habit. Find yourself a greener pasture, dude. Here ain't it.

We do not accept alien-human hybrids at RIGOROUS INTUITION anyhow. You must have used that old coupon.

If I was passive aggressive I'd say "I'm worried about you."

Instead, I am rolling with the universal of "fuck you and get lost".

Either contribute and display fucking respect for our cult or go away. We have cult shit to deal with and time is of the essence.

I still think you're reptilian though. You just come off as one. My .02.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby slimmouse » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:24 am

I am saying that slimmouse, through advocating Rothschild Zionism theory has, in my view, perpetuated misguided and oppressive thinking, though I highly doubt this is what he intended...


Would everybody please read that statement, look at what Ive said about it, ad nauseaum and explain to me
Why I've had no answer to what Ive been asking. vis a vi the "Friends of Israel thing". Deal with the issue or let the thing fester ? Because I believe that politely pretending that its not very real is not going to make things any better, in an age where people are becoming increasingly aware of this.

When such issues are increasingly being forced into subconscious realms, due to factors as yet explained, should anyone really be surprised at any subconcious racist undertones that result?
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby brekin » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:24 am

slimmouse » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:24 pm wrote:
Ad wrote:
I am saying that slimmouse, through advocating Rothschild Zionism theory has, in my view, perpetuated misguided and oppressive thinking, though I highly doubt this is what he intended...


slimhouse wrote:
Would everybody please read that statement, look at what Ive said about it, ad nauseaum and explain to me
Why I've had no answer to what Ive been asking. vis a vi the "Friends of Israel thing". Deal with the issue or let the thing fester ? Because I believe that politely pretending that its not very real is not going to make things any better, in an age where people are becoming increasingly aware of this.

When such issues are increasingly being forced into subconscious realms, due to factors as yet explained, should anyone really be surprised at any subconcious racist undertones that result?


Are you referring to this?

AD wrote:
Icke still traffics in Rothschild Zionism theory to this day...


slimmouse »wrote:
Indeed he does, and Im still waiting for a response from yourself as to how you believe it has come to pass that 80% of the UKs leading political party are "friends of Israel".


Geez, I don't see this helping your cause. I get that Icke says he's not anti-Jewish and is only showing how a tiny minority of Rothschild Zionists are responsible for misdeeds against many (including many Jews) but ultimately he is saying that this tiny minority of Rothschild Zionists (and their non-Jewish collaborators) aren't fully human, but reptiles? Right? Is that not correct? I doubt he says that on the same page in the same essay but put 2 and 2 together. Reptile-Humans have enslaved humans for our gold. Rothchild Zionists are running everything. Reptile-Humans = Rothchild Zionists.

Even if he is, say, totally 100% correct about the woes the "Rothchild Zionists" cause, saying they are a cabal of evil reptiles who prey on humans for our gold sounds a little familiar doesn't it? Saying it is only a few Jews (the none human ones mind you, or I guess the half human ones) and not all Jews doesn't really cut the mustard. Instead of "It's the Jews!" he's saying "No, it's just the tiny majority of reptile-human Jews!" It's really ludicrous, really. It's like saying "I'm not a anti-semite, mind you, I just don't like the tiny minority of Jews who are reptiles and have enslaved humanity to steal our gold." Am I missing something?
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby slimmouse » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:40 am

brekin » 08 Jul 2013 05:24 wrote:
slimmouse » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:24 pm wrote:
Ad wrote:
I am saying that slimmouse, through advocating Rothschild Zionism theory has, in my view, perpetuated misguided and oppressive thinking, though I highly doubt this is what he intended...


slimhouse wrote:
Would everybody please read that statement, look at what Ive said about it, ad nauseaum and explain to me
Why I've had no answer to what Ive been asking. vis a vi the "Friends of Israel thing". Deal with the issue or let the thing fester ? Because I believe that politely pretending that its not very real is not going to make things any better, in an age where people are becoming increasingly aware of this.

When such issues are increasingly being forced into subconscious realms, due to factors as yet explained, should anyone really be surprised at any subconcious racist undertones that result?


Are you referring to this?

AD wrote:
Icke still traffics in Rothschild Zionism theory to this day...


slimmouse »wrote:
Indeed he does, and Im still waiting for a response from yourself as to how you believe it has come to pass that 80% of the UKs leading political party are "friends of Israel".


Geez, I don't see this helping your cause. I get that Icke says he's not anti-Jewish and is only showing how a tiny minority of Rothschild Zionists are responsible for misdeeds against many (including many Jews) but ultimately he is saying that this tiny minority of Rothschild Zionists (and their non-Jewish collaborators) aren't fully human, but reptiles? Right? Is that not correct? I doubt he says that on the same page in the same essay but put 2 and 2 together. Reptile-Humans have enslaved humans for our gold. Rothchild Zionists are running everything. Reptile-Humans = Rothchild Zionists.

Even if he is, say, totally 100% correct about the woes the "Rothchild Zionists" cause, saying they are a cabal of evil reptiles who prey on humans for our gold sounds a little familiar doesn't it? Saying it is only a few Jews (the none human ones mind you, or I guess the half human ones) and not all Jews doesn't really cut the mustard. Instead of "It's the Jews!" he's saying "No, it's just the tiny majority of reptile-human Jews!" It's really ludicrous, really. It's like saying "I'm not a anti-semite, mind you, I just don't like the tiny minority of Jews who are reptiles and have enslaved humanity to steal our gold." Am I missing something?


Are you missing something?

An answer to my question perhaps?

In the meantime, I'll take all the rest of your thinking squarely on the chin. It kinda goes with the territory, as people wait for answers to vitally important questions such as this.

You might want to chew on this too,

"When such issues are increasingly being forced into subconscious realms, due to factors as yet explained, should anyone really be surprised at any subconcious racist undertones that result?"
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby brekin » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:49 am

slimmhouse wrote:
Are you missing something?
An answer to my question perhaps?


Why 80% of the UKs leading political party are "friends of Israel"?

Simple, Israel uses the West to guarantee it's own self preservation in a region that is almost inhospitable to most of its more aggressive aims.
The West uses Israel as a ideological and military base to encroach upon regions that aren't amiable to Western values and resource grabs.
You can't be friends with someone unless you have similar interests. The West and Israel want to dominate the middle East. That makes all of us tax paying citizens basically Rothchild Zionists.
If Israel didn't exist, the West would have to invent it.
"When such issues are increasingly being forced into subconscious realms, due to factors as yet explained, should anyone really be surprised at any subconcious racist undertones that result?"


I honestly don't get this. I have some theories, but I don't want to put anything out there that would possibly put words in your mouth. A wild guess: Are the issues "Rothchild Zionism" and are they "increasingly being forced into subconscious realms," because of fears of being labeled anti-semitic? Or some totally different issues? The lizard overlord thing? And "Due to factors as yet explained" are those factors coming from you? Or are they questions someone was suppose to answer earlier in the thread? And as far as the rest "should anyone really be suprised at any subconcious racist undertones that result?" I think so. Are you saying because we aren't facing some truth, that what gets repressed, then gets perverted and expressed as possibly racist content? What is this truth then?
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby slimmouse » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:57 am

brekin » 08 Jul 2013 05:49 wrote:slimmhouse wrote:
Are you missing something?
An answer to my question perhaps?


Why 80% of the UKs leading political party are "friends of Israel"?


You can't be friends with someone unless you have similar interests. The West and Israel want to dominate the middle East. That makes all of us tax paying citizens basically Rothchild Zionists.
If Israel didn't exist, the West would have to invent it.


Agree 100% with almost everthing you say. Youd probably need to dispense with the Rothschild bit though.

And what about the debate? How has that somehow been reduced to the realms of a problem that nobody appears to have the courage to discuss?
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:08 am

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How much of a following does Icke have? a million? 5 million?

Hold on just a sec.... google/PRISM just provided me a clue... according to a forum on his own website -- which presumably would consist of a majority of his followers -- a thread subject heading reads, "How many have ACTUALLY read David Icke's books?", with a poll at the top. So let's see.. Topic was initiated in February of 2013, so there'd be plenty of time for a fair sampling of his followers to reply.

Total voters to this poll as of 7/8/2013... [drum roll].... 97.

Percentage that have claimed they read 'most' of his books? 23.71%, or 23 voters.
Percentage that have claimed to have read ALL his books? 6.19%, or 6 voters.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=236673

I'm floored.

Any sense for how many of his followers have taken any actionable steps to affect change based on Icke's views, or start up movements based on his views? If so, what sort of net affect have such actions/movements had on.... ANYTHING?

Just trying to get some context for the 53[!!] pages dedicated to this. Fifty. Three.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby compared2what? » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:12 am

slimmouse » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:57 am wrote:
brekin » 08 Jul 2013 05:49 wrote:slimmhouse wrote:
Are you missing something?
An answer to my question perhaps?


Why 80% of the UKs leading political party are "friends of Israel"?


You can't be friends with someone unless you have similar interests. The West and Israel want to dominate the middle East. That makes all of us tax paying citizens basically Rothchild Zionists.
If Israel didn't exist, the West would have to invent it.


Agree 100% with almost everthing you say. Youd probably need to dispense with the Rothschild bit though.

And what about the debate? How has that somehow been reduced to the realms of a problem that nobody appears to have the courage to discuss?


First you reduce it to Rothschild Zionism. And the rest just sort of takes care of itself. Because that's a parable, not a political reality. So there'd be nothing to debate even if many people didn't find it offensive, which they do.

I'll demonstrate:

I'm not offended by the sight of the words "Rothschild Zionism," or (in this context) the concept attached to them. I just don't see an opening for further discussion anywhere in them. But if you start, I'll try to join in.
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Re: David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

Postby American Dream » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:06 am

Finally, in the summer 2010 fund drive, WBAI crossed the line—promoting a real, live neo-Nazi: a former British sportscaster by the name of David Icke, who hawks a book entitled Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Centre Disaster. This is his lure to draw in newbies who can then be indoctrinated with far stranger and more unsavory things. Icke's is soft-sell neo-Nazism, but neo-Nazism nonetheless; you don't have to dig very deep to find it.

In the material aired on BAI, Icke spoke about the Bilderbergs and the Illuminati. But what he actually believes (or says he believes) lies behind the global power nexus can be gleaned very easily by going to his website, DavidIcke.com. In Icke's world, behind the the Bilderbergs and the Illuminati is the Rothschild banking family and associated powerful Jews—who are literally held to be inhuman. They are, in fact, reptilian aliens from the Fourth Dimension who have mysterious shape-shifting abilities and can assume human form. (I'm not making this up—go to the website.)

The ideology behind all of this comes straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the notorious anti-Semitic forgery which was a pillar of the Nazi propaganda system. It purports to be a secret document revealing how the Jews secretly control the world, using both capitalism and communism as instruments to bring governments to their knees. Icke's bizarre zeitgeist is a mere reworking of the Protocols, which he in fact extensively cites on his website.

The shape-shifting-reptilians thing is admittedly Icke's own little twist. It is a fairly common device of DIY Nazism to assert that the Jews are actually non-human. The Christian Identity movement, which pervades much of the rural radical right in the US, believes that only the white race is truly human; the other races are either sub-human or non-human. The brown-skinned "mud people" are sub-human. The Jews are the non-human offspring of Satan. Both must be exterminated, although the Jews with somewhat greater urgency due to their greater power.

For the Christian Identity cultists, Jews are Satanic offspring because everything is seen through their idiosyncratic spin on the Bible; for Icke they are shape-shifting reptilians, exploiting popular interest in (and credulity about) extra-terrestrials. Both take the Protocols as their starting point.

The Paradoxical Anti-Fascist Rhetoric of Contemporary Crypto-Fascism

Today...you don't get very far by openly calling yourself a neo-Nazi. In fact, a standard of contemporary populist invective is to compare our present-day oppressors with the Nazis. How do Icke and his ilk square this?

By applying Hitler's own ideology and propaganda techniques to Hitler himself.

In Hitler's world, everything bad was the creation of evil Jews in high places. So of course, David Icke says Hitler was created by the Rothschilds. In fact, he goes beyond that to argue that Hitler was a Rothschild. And therefore Hitler, like most of those who run the world, was in fact not human but a shape-shifting reptilian from the Fourth Dimension.

This theory is expounded in a screed entitled "Was Hitler a Rothschild?" In a time-honored method of such propaganda, Icke mixes a few grains of truth amidst the sinister wackiness. Although considerably less so today, the Rothschilds were certainly a powerhouse of high finance in the 19th century, and funders of the early Zionist movement. But, betraying his hand rather too quickly, Icke in the second paragraph refers to the Rothschilds as one of Europe's "black occult bloodlines," "working in league with the Illuminati House of Hesse." Then he really cuts to the chase: they are "one of the top Illuminati bloodlines on the planet, and they are shape-shifting reptilians."

Icke seizes on the popular rumor in Germany that Hitler's grandmother was impregnated by a Rothschild baron for whom she worked as a maid. Icke cites a book by a US intelligence analyst, Walter Langer, who looked into this theory after the war and in 1972 published his findings under the title The Mind of Adolf Hitler. If you go to the library and read the book for yourself, you'll find that Langer ultimately decided the rumor was insubstantial.

Icke, however, has no doubts. "[T]here was no way that someone like Hitler would come to power in those vital circumstances for the Illuminati, unless he was of the reptilian bloodline," he writes, adding that "the same bloodline has held the positions of royal, aristocratic, financial, political, military, and media power in the world for literally thousands of years. This is the bloodline that has produced ALL 42 of the Presidents of the United States since and including George Washington in 1789... The World War Two leaders, Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin, were of the bloodline and also Freemasons and Satanists. They were manipulated into office, and their country's war effort funded, by the Rothschild's and the other Illuminati bloodlines."

Icke asserts: "These people are NOT Jews, they are a non-human bloodline with a reptilian genetic code who hide behind the Jewish people and use them as a screen and a means to an end." He seems to think this disclaimer lets him off the hook for anti-Semitism.

In a page on his website boosting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Icke even deigns to write: "I speak for Jews who oppose this secret plan which was concocted by Cabalist bankers and rabbis centuries ago and revised periodically. These self-appointed Jewish leaders have put all Jews in jeopardy. They are establishing their world tyranny by stealth—manipulating current events, re-engineering society and controlling perception."

But his tone quickly changes to that of a barely veiled threat: "All Jews will be blamed for the disproportionate role many Jews play unless more speak up and are counted."


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