j undead » 12 Apr 2020 00:29 wrote:Joe Hillshoist wrote:
I'm not against vaccines (dont waste my with the flu one tho) but I think you raise some good points.
But one issue with this virus is doctors who were otherwise healthy are dying. While age and serious health conditions are the biggest indicators it seems as tho healthy younger people are vulnerable if their viral load is high. That would be driven by exposure.
It might explain why high density areas and societies have more trouble too.
One possible reason for healthcare workers having reduced immunity to a brand new virus is that they are required to be pumped full of every vaccine available. This protects them from some things, but reduces their immunity against others. I didn't watch the video posted above because I already knew - vaccines reduce the body's ability to become naturally immune. People who are over-vaccinated are immune compromised. Take for example this study, posted by the NIH no less. Of course, "more empirical evidence is needed" to be sure because the conclusion is inconvenient for them. If the conclusion was what they want to hear, they would be absolutely sure after the first experiment.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404712/
Increased Risk of Noninfluenza Respiratory Virus Infections Associated With Receipt of Inactivated Influenza Vaccine
We randomized 115 children to trivalent inactivated influenza vaccine (TIV) or placebo. Over the following 9 months, TIV recipients had an increased risk of virologically-confirmed non-influenza infections (relative risk: 4.40; 95% confidence interval: 1.31-14.. Being protected against influenza, TIV recipients may lack temporary non-specific immunity that protected against other respiratory viruses.
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In the prepandemic period of our study, we did not observe a statistically significant reduction in confirmed seasonal influenza virus infections in the TIV recipients (Table 3), although serological evidence (Supplementary Appendix) and point estimates of vaccine efficacy based on confirmed infections were consistent with protection of TIV recipients against the seasonal influenza viruses that circulated from January through March 2009 [16]. We identified a statistically significant increased risk of noninfluenza respiratory virus infection among TIV recipients (Table 3), including significant increases in the risk of rhinovirus and coxsackie/echovirus infection, which were most frequently detected in March 2009, immediately after the peak in seasonal influenza activity in February 2009 (Figure 1).
The increased risk of noninfluenza respiratory virus infection among TIV recipients could be an artefactual finding; for example, measurement bias could have resulted if participants were more likely to report their first ARI episode but less likely to report subsequent episodes, whereas there was no real difference in rhinovirus or other noninfluenza respiratory virus infections after the winter influenza season. The increased risk could also indicate a real effect. Receipt of TIV could increase influenza immunity at the expense of reduced immunity to noninfluenza respiratory viruses, by some unknown biological mechanism.
So besides making the recipient more vulnerable to other infections, in many cases these vaccines do not even work for the stated purpose.
In addition to vaccines, most healthcare workers will believe in the pharmaceutical system and take whatever conventional wisdom tells them to take. That will give them a lot of side effects, which are then mitigated with more pharmaceuticals, causing more side effects. And hospital food is total garbage so their gut health is likely to be terrible. I was last in a hospital helping my mother with a knee replacement surgery and I could not believe the high-status doctors sitting in the cafeteria eating the shit they serve up to the patients, but I guess that is part of drinking the koolaid. All the drug information sheets my mother got listed horrendous GI distress as a side effect as if that were just normal. I had to smuggle in probiotic supplements because the hospital has only a few super basic ones and will usually refuse to give them to patients unless you harass them. It is a gigantic blind spot in the medical system, and the gut is responsible for 80% of the body's immunity.
So I think it would be wrong to generalize healthcare workers as "otherwise healthy". Most of them are like animals in a factory farm that get fed antibiotics in their feed every ay of their life. Maybe a few non-conformists among them will be healthy, but how often does that happen with human beings? I also don't consider them heroes just for doing that job. Before this crisis most of them were just robots with a maliciously distorted program. Now they are all just unfortunate pawns. And some of them will do the right thing and also be heroes, in addition to being unfortunate pawns.
Health workers are about as healthy as the genrral population. Allegedly this virus is mainly a threat to older people with major illnesses. Usually more than one. So relative to that they are very healthy - health workers should be in the lower risk groups.
Personally from what I've heard, in general, heath workers get little to no access to sunlight. I imagine now especially that's even more of a problem with all these so called lockdowns. One of or the most important vitamins is d for respitory tract health and theyll be relying on supplements they probably don't take anyway.
Except in the short term, vaccines do little damage to the immune system. Compared to poor diet, vitamin and mineral intake and gut health; lack of exercise, fresh air, sunlight and love; living and working conditions; and finally, maybe most importantly, massive levels of over exposure to environmental toxins (including other pharmaceuticals).
