What constitutes Misogyny?

[norton ash]

Going to a house and garden trade show this afternoon. A good place to experience a whole tent full of real, palpable female lust, and see the empty faces of broken men who know they'll never measure up to a really cunning banjo top with pewter accessories.

Oy, the things I'll do for the woman I love.

[Canadian_watcher]

Ate a pack of seahorses yesterday.. didn't like the salt. But then Woodrow would only fire 17 times.. so that explains it.

[JackRiddler]

Ate a pack of seahorses yesterday.. didn't like the salt. But then Woodrow would only fire 17 times.. so that explains it.

Have no idea what any of this means, but I suspect it's highly quotable.

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[OP ED]

I'd been taught that women, by dressing or behaving provocatively, were largely responsible for...(etc)...

this is something i've heard so many times, but i still don't think the internal logic will ever be something i can comprehend.

although i'd love to see it applied to the opposite sort of cases...

[joking really but picture it]

"if rich Uncle Moneybags really didn't want to be killed and eaten by angry proletarians, well, I guess he should've known better than to go walking through that neighborhood dressed like a venture capitalist..."

(etc etc)

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oh, and Nordic. um. sigh.

[barracuda]

[hava1]

A bit of etimological addendum on "bitch", comparative Hebrew-ENglish. It turns out that in common translation, the curse "son of a bitch" is literally translated to the Hebrew "Son of whore" , which is the most sommon curse here. I wonder if that means that "bitch" also carries the connotation of a whore in ENglish.

Bitch, as the female dog, in Hebrew is parallel to the curse Dog, or son of a DOG (male), which is generally derogative, but not considered very rude. The most common rude/angry curse is, as I said, "son of a whore", said "BEN ZONA", and the next most common curse is in fact in arabic, but used in Hebrew commonly "Your mother's vagina" (Koos Emak). Or alternatively Your sister's vagina (Koos Okhtak). Both are, I suppose, equivalent to "mother fucker", although much more mysogenic as they deal with the female's chastity only, and have nothing to do with the male subject, and based on "family honor".

Other common curses are "Sharmuta" (whore, in arabic, adopted into hebrew slang, and recently adjusted a bit in the new curse "sharlila" (same).

Words that mean to say a woman who is hard/evil/conniving, are Klafte (Yiidish, derived from Kelipa, the shell of the fruit), or the hebrew word for witch (Machshefa). So I think "bitch" in the sense of a hard/underhanded woman, would be most likely translated into Klafte.

FWIW

on edit,for the fuller picture.
a common compliment for a sexy lady would be "Koosit" (cunt, with a hebrew female suffix addition to the original arab word Koos, vagina). Feminist use a male form of Koosit (Kooson) to refer to a good looking male. Kooson is in fact a diminutive male form of Vagina , "small/cute male vagina"

[Canadian_watcher]

article from the Globe and Mail here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/shareholders-vote-no-to-more-women-on-bank-boards/article1972265/page1/

-- Shareholders vote overwhelmingly against increasing the number of women on Bank Boards after being advised to do so by the banks board members prior to the vote.

What's interesting is that analysis on Fortune 500 companies indicates that companies with a higher percentage of women on their Boards outpace those with lower numbers of women - and by quite a bit, too.

Being that Banks will seemingly do anything - no matter how repulsive - to increase earnings for the shareholders, what could the motivation for advising shareholders to vote this down be? I wonder, did they share the economic data first, or not?

excerpts:

Shareholders of Canada’s major banks are overwhelmingly voting down a proposal to increase the number of women on the boards of the country’s biggest companies, amid sparse support from the financial institutions themselves.

The latest example came Tuesday as shareholders of Bank of Nova Scotia (BNS-T59.07-0.41-0.69%) voted 93 per cent against a proposal put forward by the Quebec-based shareholder rights group Mouvement d'éducation et de défense des actionnaires, or MÉDAC. The proposal, which would have compelled Scotiabank to seek parity between men and women on its board of directors in the next 10 years, drew slightly less than 7 per cent of shareholder support.

Scotiabank, which has three women on its 14-member board, recommended before the meeting that shareholders vote against the proposal, as did other banks.

Advocates for women argue it leads to better performance by directors and even to better bottom-line financial performance by companies. Research group Catalyst, for example, published a 2007 study of Fortune 500 companies in the United States, and found the quartile of companies with the most women on their boards outpaced the bottom quartile by 53 per cent for return on equity, 42 per cent for return on sales and 66 per cent for return on invested capital from 2001 to 2004.

“No one likes to be a quota woman on a board, but unfortunately the last 30 years have not provided any change with any of the softer approaches,” Prof. Dart said. “So it’s not clear there many other avenues left than trying to do a quota system.”

[Hammer of Los]

Am I allowed to say that I also love sluts?

There. I think that one is just about bound to be misinterpreted.

I loved the Judy Syfers piece, thank you iamwhomiam. I had heard the name but never read that text before.

I did though, whilst reading through it, think I do that, and that, oh and that! And the fact that I am expected to do that really annoys me! etc.

Anyway, it gave me quite a bit of fun.

I appreciate the salutary reminders of the very real threat of physical, very often "sexual", violence that faces women often on a daily basis, a threat often underappreciated by men.

On the subject of "has every single woman who ever lived been subject to an unwanted sexual assualt", my wife has told me that she was "groped" on several occasions by the manager/owner of a cafe she worked in when around eighteen. She quit.

And I have never been sexually assaulted, to the best of my recollection, which is poor.

Although I was beaten unconscious once and might well have been killed had not some policemen arrived. Why did this happen? Why did this man beat me and repeatedly kick me as heavily as he could on the head whilst I lay bleeding and unconscious? It was, perhaps, because I had very long hair and was wearing tight trousers and accessorised in a manner which might best be described as glam rock meets grunge meets goth. Quite unmanly a sight, I daresay. My assailant was clad in a dark grey suit, white shirt and tie. He had been to a pub or nightclub. His hair was very short. I found out later he was a keen and accomplished amateur kick boxer. That's a very masculine pursuit.

Was that hatred of the feminine? Of a man dressed in a feminine manner? Why did this provoke this young man so?

He must have been so full of fear and confusion, I pity him.

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Say it isn't so, Jimmy. But, of course it is.

http://www2.wnct.com/lifestyles/2011/ap ... ar-927649/
Carter says religious leaders discriminate against women

ATLANTA (AP) - Former President Jimmy Carter says much of the discrimination and abuse suffered by women around the world is attributable to a belief "that women are inferior in the eyes of God."

Carter said such teachings by "leaders in Christianity, Islam and other religions" allow men to beat their wives and deny women their fundamental rights as human beings.

The former president made the remarks Wednesday at a gathering of human rights activists and religious leaders from more than 20 countries at the Carter Center in Atlanta.

Carter said he doesn't fault religions for oppressing women, but blames men who selectively interpret the Bible and other scriptures. He suggested there are other, more flexible interpretations.

Carter called mistreatment of women "the most serious and all pervasive and damaging human rights abuse on Earth."

[Peregrine]

Been meaning to post in this thread & it's been at least a week since reading through this thread in it's entirety, so, my hackles ar not-so-up. Some of the fella's get it, some of the fellas are well meaning but don't quite get it, some of the fellas really don't get it & some of the fellas don't want to get it. Not pointing fingers, honest. Before a lot of misogynistic behavior would go right over my head, some of it subtle, some of it not so subtle. But as someone further back I'm sure pointed out, you become desensitized to it.

I wanted to ad some of my perspective on it, because I have worked in a male dominated industry as a carpenter's helper & let me tell you, the misogyny is rife, from lunchroom talk right down to the amount of pay I received compared to other male co-workers. Anyone who says there is no such thing as pay inequality is full of horseshit. I got a full third less than many of the young men doing the same damn thing (I had inside info from an employee in a senior position). It had nothing to do with my physical ability, because more often than not, I outworked many of them. If you know the term "dogfucker" in the industry, it's the lazy chap that will appear to be working when the boss is looking, but slacks off when the boss disappears. Well. I worked my ass off, whether the boss was there or not & still got a third less pay than the guy screwing the pooch, all because of my gender. And it fucking pissed me off. I endured ridicule, tasteless jokes, belittling comments, lewd gestures & treated as if I didn't know what I was doing, even though I knew much more than the new chap they hired off the street. Because I am a woman. Do you know how many of my coworkers & superiors trully understood what I was going through? One. In the three years I worked in construction, one senior crane operator (the aforementioned employee that gave me the info). That, is shitty & shouldn't be tolerated. Women today shouldn't have to deal with this crap, but many of us do on a regular basis. Ha. Hackles slightly elevated.

I have to admit that this thread got a little fire out of me as well & it ties in with this particular subject (8bit, please don't think I'm picking on you for this, I think it's awesome that you saw a little more perspective on it & was totally apreciated by me! I had been meaning to reply back to that thread for quite a while, but hadn't had a computer). Particularly where the blame may be placed on a woman for tempting a man to part with his hard earned money. The blame is being placed on her for "causing" a grown individual, that is responsible for his actions, to give her money.

"if rich Uncle Moneybags really didn't want to be killed and eaten by angry proletarians, well, I guess he should've known better than to go walking through that neighborhood dressed like a venture capitalist..."

(etc etc)

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This, is all kinds of awesomeness. I hope you don't mind, but I totally want to steal that & put it on a sign or placard when I march in the Slutwalk come May 15th.

[Nordic]

that realy sucks , peregrine. i just wanted to chime in that what you're describing wouldn't happen in any of the unions i'm familiar with, including my own. in a union there can be no difference in pay, a member is a member and is treated 100 percent equally. another reason for unions.

in my union there are very few women. the few that are are treated well in my experience but if anything they often lose out on work due to a perception of them as physically weaker. however since its all based on who you know, if a woman proves her strength to the right people, and can deal with working with nothing but men, then she will work as much, and for the same pay, as any guy.

[OP ED]

be my guest peregrine.

[vanlose kid]

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if feminism is a divide and conquer tactic, what is misogyny?

if misogyny is a divide and conquer tactic, what is anti-feminism?

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if feminism is a divide and conquer tactic, what is misogyny?

if misogyny is a divide and conquer tactic, what is anti-feminism?

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I prefer the descriptor "slavehood maintenance tool" over "divide and conquer tactic".

Or any vehicle which causes you to look to another slave as the principle cause of your personal pain... instead of the slave master(s).

They work particularly well in wage slavery.

[Nordic]

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if feminism is a divide and conquer tactic, what is misogyny?

if misogyny is a divide and conquer tactic, what is anti-feminism?

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Misogyny isn't a divide and conquer tactic most of the time. It simply exists, like any basic hatred of "the other".

Anti-feminism, however, is most definitely a divide-and-conquer thing, and is used politically for that very purpose. All the freaking time.