TRUMP is seriously dangerous

[Nordic]

Thought experiment: Native American leader in the late 15th century proposes to build a wall to keep out Europeans. Any objections?

Are the Mexicans coming to kill us and steal our land and hand out diseased blankets?

Also, living in Los Angeles, which was once part of Mexico, the biggest influx I'm seeing is from China. I don't see anyone talking about building a wall to keep them out.

[jakell]

Thought experiment: Native American leader in the late 15th century proposes to build a wall to keep out Europeans. Any objections?

On the one hand walls/borders are racist, but on the other hand Europeans are always the bad guys. You, sir, have confused me.

My answer would be that when liberals or Native Americans do something it's okay, and when conservatives do the exact same thing it's wrong.

I'm not a fan of these 'thought posters' (hard to quote and analyse because they are an 'unowned' statement), but this one makes the point brilliantly.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I'm not even going to look it up: Tons of liberals called him racist. There's just no fucking way that didn't happen. The Left exists to abuse itself.

[82_28]

I think that Carter was forced into a role -- i.e. he was "shown the film" and asked if he had any questions, as the cliché goes. I think he did the best he could but got railroaded -- showing that the president really doesn't have much power. He believed he had power and perhaps back then there was a semblance of believability to it all, a believability to which we all still idiotically cling. All it takes is shenanigans every fucking time. Nothing can appear to be real.

EDITED to add "appear to". . .

[Freitag]

I'm not even going to look it up: Tons of liberals called him racist. There's just no fucking way that didn't happen. The Left exists to abuse itself.

That it does, but things were different back then. Carter could even get away with saying something like this:

I am committed to resolving this crisis. I am committed to the safe return of the American hostages and to the preservation of our national honor.

Could an American President get away with referring to "national honor" today? Wouldn't that be offensive to all the immigrants living here? It's nationalism. Aren't we supposed to be ashamed to be Americans?

(Quote above from Snopes)

[stillrobertpaulsen]

Thought experiment: Native American leader in the late 15th century proposes to build a wall to keep out Europeans. Any objections?

Yes. It's pointless to build something that at best would become a tourist attraction five hundred years from now like the one in China.

[Karmamatterz]

Fourth base was not being literal, at least I think. It's the concept and a bit of fun intellectual baiting to open up a dialogue that there is some serious wacky shit going on. Got a good chuckle out of his post.

Nordic, hard to know all the intentions of early settlers, but from my limited knowledge on this many were looking to get away from poverty, prison and serfdom in Europe. Some, even in my family arrived as indentured servants. Mexicans are most often looking for work and a better life. Less crime, drinking water, a decent bathroom and opportunity for their kids to get an education. The blankets, butchering and such all came along eventually though. Humans are messed up creatures at times.

We live in supposedl "democracy" which it really isn't. All voices are supposed to count including the majorities and minorities. It's a fantasy to think all will agree on things, there are way to many polarities for that. The nature of our nation will always be that way, forever until it crumbles or is overcome by other stronger cultures. The "intelligentsia" of the extreme left wants us believe they are smarter and know better than everyone else. All others are stupid. Anyone who supports a non-leftist must be evil, dumb, a racist, fascist or misogynist. Sometimes all the above! It's malarkey.

We should all be drinking beers together or smoking doobies at a hootenanny, perhaps that would help us get a long better.

[vince]

re: The Carter meme...
Where's the one with the picture of Reagan, and the fact that he gave weapons to Iran....
No conservatives call him a terrorist!

[Nordic]

Fourth base was not being literal, at least I think. It's the concept and a bit of fun intellectual baiting to open up a dialogue that there is some serious wacky shit going on. Got a good chuckle out of his post.

Nordic, hard to know all the intentions of early settlers, but from my limited knowledge on this many were looking to get away from poverty, prison and serfdom in Europe. Some, even in my family arrived as indentured servants. Mexicans are most often looking for work and a better life. Less crime, drinking water, a decent bathroom and opportunity for their kids to get an education. The blankets, butchering and such all came along eventually though. Humans are messed up creatures at times.

Actually the butchering and such all came along first. Read about what Christopher Columbus and his men really did when they "found" the new world. It was gruesome, a true horror, one of the most godawful things I've ever read about. It's easy to find, just read Howard Zinn.

[Nordic]

I'm not even going to look it up: Tons of liberals called him racist. There's just no fucking way that didn't happen. The Left exists to abuse itself.

That it does, but things were different back then. Carter could even get away with saying something like this:

I am committed to resolving this crisis. I am committed to the safe return of the American hostages and to the preservation of our national honor.

Could an American President get away with referring to "national honor" today? Wouldn't that be offensive to all the immigrants living here? It's nationalism. Aren't we supposed to be ashamed to be Americans?

(Quote above from Snopes)

Not sure you know many immigrants. Where do you live? I live in a city of immigrants, and there's nothing wrong with "national honor" considering they're all very happy to be in America and either are already Americans or are in the process of becoming Americans.

Some of the most "patriotic" people I know are immigrants, actually.

[82_28]

We all live within cities of immigrants. When I first moved to Seattle in 1999 I was amazed to find no Spanish language stations on the radio or TV. Now there are quite a number. I consider it progress. I also used to think that it was semi offensive to be a "gringo" or "guero" and speak Spanish when you didn't know shit. I can passably speak Spanish now and all of my Mexican friends speak good English. We taught each other.

Fun story. Friends and I would drive around areas of Denver blasting Mexican music and ask for directions to somewhere from white people. Using English and basically creating a mind fuck of why would these white teen kids be listening to this music and not know where they're going? I did it mostly along south Broadway and I would ask if they knew the way downtown. If you don't know Denver there is only one main way from the south metro to downtown and it is a straight shot. We just thought it was funny to see the looks on peoples' faces telling us how to get downtown while BLASTING Mexican music within full view of downtown itself. Good times. Highly recommended harmless prank if you ever get the chance.

Oh, my most recent one was driving into the valet of Canlis (the fanciest restaurant in Seattle -- be prepared to spend at least $1000 fancy for two if you go) and having the attendants come up. I would tell them that I heard this was a Taco Bell and then would ask for directions to the nearest one taking up time for those behind me. My GF at the time hated it, but little pranks are awesome. Never let a good prank opportunity pass you by! Fuck I may just start a new thread about best pranks.

That said, many think that TRUMP is just a prank that caught on. I'm the kind of person that doesn't like to leave people confused so I admit immediately that I am putting them on. I wish this asshole would say already he's putting us on.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Love your sense of humor, 82_28. Back in the mid-90s, it seemed like my best friend and I were the only people in southern Oregon who heard of The Jerky Boys. We pranked so many businesses so many times we couldn't figure out why they never caught on. We did copy-cat Jerky calls, but also new variations. If you want to start a best prank thread, I'll join!

[82_28]

Oh fuck yeah! The Jerky Boys. I was huge into them. I'm just trying to remember how I even found out about them without the Internet and all. Prank calling is a lost art with caller ID and all that. Bear in mind we never did anything mean or threatening.

Oh here's one I just remembered. I can't remember the specifics, but you could get Pizza Hut, Dominos, Black Jack all to call each other at once by timing it just right. I forget how it was done though. I'm sure it no longer works. But it was hilarious to listen in on "hello thank you for calling Pizza Hut" with someone saying "hello dominos pizza" and so on all at once. But you could send them all into a feedback loop of answering each other's calls. Great times.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

That sounds excellent! We never did anything too threatening, but we some of our calls were borderline dangerous.

My favorite: I called up a Christian record store asking if they happened to carry any Satan-worshipping records that we could take off their hands to publicly burn for a media spectacle. When they refused, I would then become possessed by demons and INSIST they give me the Satan-worshipping records I KNEW they were hiding.

My favorite that my friend did: He called up an abortion clinic saying he had knocked up his girlfriend, but that she wouldn't get an abortion. He told the receptionist that his girlfriend was a religious nut and asked if someone at the clinic could play a priest and tell her that if she didn't get the abortion, she would go to hell.

I started a thread in the lounge if anyone else wants to join!

[Belligerent Savant]

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I remember receiving a cassette tape with Jerky Boys prank calls (back when the calls began to gain momentum); they actually referenced streets and areas in and around our stomping grounds as they lived around Queens, where I grew up. We all knew and interacted with guys that spoke like that. Very "Queens"/NYC-esque.
Numerous scenes in the -- horrible -- movie they made about the Jerky Boys was filmed just a block away from the house I lived in growing up.
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