Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[FourthBase]

I haven't failed at all (in fact, I have beaten you). It's that I am not backing down from you. I don't even have a problem with you, but you are looking for one -- a problem. It has been presented. We are currently discussing it. "Boston Wins" is bullshit after this morass. Because, you did not win in this matter. None of us did and it's a game we do not want to win in the first place because it is a game not worth playing.

You don't even know what the game is yet. You think you do. You might be wrong.

BOSTON - Officials at the White House and the Massachusetts State House had no comment yesterday in response to the formation of a citizens' commission to investigate the events of April 15-19, an investigative entity which up until last week had only been a minor social media phenomenon among the so-called "Paranoid and Proud". But in the wake of a stunning series of recent revelations and leaked documents -- involving FBI deceit, Russian sponsorship, two secretly-recorded conversations at a neo-conservative Caribbean resort, the still-unknown role of a mercenary private-security firm, and most astonishingly potential alibis for both Tsarnaev brothers on the day of the Marathon and the evening of April 18 -- the membership for the Boston-based Society for Listening to Inquiring Minds (the acronym SLIM a nod to the iconic "Fat Chance" sign which haunted at every turn the official hearings on the Marathon Bombings) has skyrocketed from a mere 565 just two weeks ago to an impossible-to-ignore, hard-to-believe 345,000 at last count, representing almost 50% of the city's population. The surge in membership has many observers wondering what it will mean for the leaders and officials most often cited as "Betrayers" by SLIM, most notably FBI Director Robert Mueller, ex-mayor of New York Rudy Giuliani, and even President Barack Obama, whose national impeachment petition reached a once-unthinkable 80 million signatures as of this Friday. According to SLIM's co-chairs, Harvard professor Reginald B. Moneyball and Southie electrician James "Sully" Sullivan, the next week of revelations promises to shock even the most shaken once-trusting sensibilities. According to Sullivan, "Hold on to your [expletive] hat!"

Something like that, maybe. It's early in the game. Which is not a game, but reality.

[FourthBase]

8bit, there's room for a little improvement, expansion, more realism, but...

AWESOME WORK, lol!!!!

[compared2what?]

It simply does not warrant the action, as I see it.

Does a child's life at imminent risk? If, let's say, there was a medical issue and time was running out?

Basically, are there any circumstances you can imagine that would?

That's not a hostile question, btw It's a real inquiry.

And, again, this action was different in scale, regardless of whether or not it is in fact codified in law. The difference between this "child-killer" who "was a threat to others"--which, by the way, is yet to be established (which is kind of the point)--

I was speaking hypothetically. I have no idea who did what, if anything.

But since there's not a reasonable-doubt standard until considerably later in the process and people knew the cops were looking for a suspected child-killer who'd been photographed at the scene of the bombing and (more recently) also been in a firefight with cops, etc., I don't see why it would be the point wrt whether or not it's their business to search for him on those grounds.

--and anyone else they decide to send out the commandos for is gray, at best.

That's a little too vague for me to follow without an example. And if this action was different from everything that went before it, confusing too.

But okay.

[8bitagent]

In an interview with Russia Today Friday, Tsarnaeva said that Tamerlan Tsarnaev got involved in "religious politics" five years ago, and that the FBI had previously contacted her about her son's activities.
"He was controlled by the FBI, like for three, five years," she said. "They knew what my son was doing, they knew what actions and what sites on the Internet he was going [to], they used to come...and talk to me...they were telling me that he was really a serious leader and they were afraid of him."

Fits the MO of virtually every single post 9/11 "terror plot"...from Lodi and Fort Dix to Miami 7 to Brooklyn 4 and in between.

CNN just said the mother claims the FBI had been following and making contact with older son for the last 3 years.


This is becoming some serious shit.


Thats what the media should be looking in to, that is no small matter...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/20/fb ... t-in-2011/

[justdrew]

In an interview with Russia Today Friday, Tsarnaeva said that Tamerlan Tsarnaev got involved in "religious politics" five years ago, and that the FBI had previously contacted her about her son's activities.
"He was controlled by the FBI, like for three, five years," she said. "They knew what my son was doing, they knew what actions and what sites on the Internet he was going [to], they used to come...and talk to me...they were telling me that he was really a serious leader and they were afraid of him."

Fits the MO of virtually every single post 9/11 "terror plot"...from Lodi and Fort Dix to Miami 7 to Brooklyn 4 and in between.

CNN just said the mother claims the FBI had been following and making contact with older son for the last 3 years.


This is becoming some serious shit.


Thats what the media should be looking in to, that is no small matter...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/20/fb ... t-in-2011/

1st off, she could just be saying "whatever" to try to "protect" her kids. 2nd and more important, how the hell would she know people posing as FBI were actually FBI?

[8bitagent]

It doesnt add up if you ask me. Escape your country to avoid the violence. Get a great education at one of the top colleges in the USA. Top honors in your classes - Honor student. Have dreams about becoming a boxer for the US Olymptic Team and start training for it.
Wait for it..
Drop some bombs off at the marathon. Hide for 4 days afterwards then randomly walk up to a squad car and unload on a cop. Rob a store. Steal a car and confess everything to the driver right before you get shot up by the cops.

Exactly. I mean didnt some of the 7/7 guys have roundtrip tickets, family plans they were excited about. One was a special needs teacher.

Ive been saying for years..."Radical Islam" is NOT blowback but a treasured deep state tool of the black brotherhood that eats sleeps and breathes power, darkness and death.
Yeah, some Middle Easterners get pissed from their families being blown up and join resistance. But a lot of this is stirred.

A round of applause for mk ultra everybody.

Spot on. My money is on these two getting Sirhan'd. "Growing attraction to radical Islam" is nomenclature for forms of brainwashing. Tape loops, paid asset clerics, many different ways *they* brainwash young Muslims for terrible deeds. And by they, I don't mean angry Wahabists. I mean look at the DC Sniper, that was some weird shit that gripped the VA area for weeks.

[Sounder]

off topic

The interaction of various styles of personality is always interesting. The mental reaction, ‘you are a douche and must be ignored because you said something personally offensive to me (or plain stupid), is not empowering for either party.

It is common sense to see that people that you disagree with provide a necessary service in helping one to be motivated to shape ones own thoughts more precisely.

From my perch, the variety of fairly strong voices on this blog is required to do anything useful.

So for instance, C2W? has a quality that reflects a respect and aspiration for the precise use of language.

This service can be invaluable to folk like me who quite possibly are over inclined to take off on flights of fancy.



Part of the entertainment for ‘quiet’ people is to watch the holes that ‘loud’ people dig for themselves.

FB, you are a fool if you think your divisive Bushian ‘you are for ‘us’ or you are for the terrorists’ ploy has any legs.

I do enjoy your voice Fourth Base because I do like to see people ripping it up, but you might want to put the drama queen to bed. He is tired.

[8bitagent]

Those throngs on the street clapping for the cops, tanks and other vehicles and shit as they drive through to "go back home after a long two days work" are preposterous. They're fucking flying American flags and shit and cheering each and every car that goes through. Much like it began. Cheering marathon runners.

As above, so below.

When the real shit hits the fan, and it will(not backing down from this prediction) the masses will be in euphoric hysteria begging for the security state. Even the most liberal of liberals will be crying for the
security state to save them. Anything will go/

Speaking of Boston, you guys keep up with Boston Dynamics? Ya think rice cookers with bb's are scary...the real life Terminator robots DARPA is set to roll out are the scariest thing this "new normal" has yet to see.

And it's ALL brought to us with an Apple iphone Obama approved hipster twitter smile. Go to your grocery store. Notice the magazines. ALL the science magazines are 100% drone porn. 20 different gun magazines. The rest
are just fake beauty/celebrity shit. The elite are not being secretive. They are rolling out a future that will make blowhard Alex Jone's frothyest fantasies come true.
Remember how molesting elderly and young at airports became legal cuz of the Underwear bomber? An act blamed on protected CIA asset Anwar Awlaki.

How quickly people forget Awlaki. A deep al Qaeda/Saudi asset protected by intelligence agencies as he helped liason'd the 9/11 hijackers, had a big pow wow at the Pentagon and got shuffled off to Yemen to fulfil his
Goldstein placement. How many terror plots ended up being cooked up or informant attached? Mumbai 2008? American DEA asset + Pakistani ISI generals + Laktar e Toiba.

What happens when serious nutty fucking shit goes down in America? And lets not forget the racial crap *they* probably have planned just to mix the pot.

[8bitagent]

Please. I'll be embarrassed? LOL!

People: This wasn't just fodder for the Conspiracy ARG in your heads. It was real.*
To mock and relentlessly subvert the good that happened here is a most vile cynicism.

Let's be able to see BOTH the good and the bad. And the ugly, the suspicious.
Epistemic stereoscopy. Not a narrow mono aperture. Use all your eyes.

*How real, to what extent staged, fake? We'll find out!

Hey I agree with you. My heart tells me most of the 35,000 troops/cops/etc were just trying to stop these two from killing or hurting more innocent people.
I mean no matter what, individuals ruined a number of lives on April 15th and those individuals likely were going all out with guns and explosives trying to extend the havoc.
It'd be irresponsible for authorities not to do everything in their power to protect the population.

I mean that 26 year old MIT cop. I mean he didn't need to die. There was no reason. Joker and his brother, mind controlled or not, turned into assholes.
I dont believe in reincarnation. Death is not an abstract. An 8 year old who barely begun life, who drew a sign wishing peace in this world, is now forever gone.
Dozens of people will never be able to walk again and will have agonizing phantom limb pain for the rest of their life. I get it. It's real.

Just from a bird's eye view it feels like a rubicon has been crossed.

The week of 4/19. It's just bad news.

[8bitagent]

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Flashback: When Chechen Terrorists Were Framed

FSB agents were caught planting a fourth bomb, yet we're all just spreading neocon anti Russian propaganda and "oligarch backed disinfo" for talking about 9/99 truth according to some.

I hate the Russian government. Fuck them. I dont care if they're part of Brzezinskis grand chessboard. Whole cities ran by a joint FSB-pedo narco mafia. Neo Nazi terror gangs that make the Taliban look tame.
Russia and the Ukraine are fucked up places.

People need to know the evil Russia did to Chechnya and the Chechen people. I mean its pure horror. "Oh but Beslan! Beslan!" Yeah Beslan was fucked up and evil too. But nothing trumps what Russia did to those people.

Is it not a bit ironic that April 19 marks the beginning of the Revolutionary War, the Battles of Lexington and Concord? A war for our freedom and liberty. And today, April 19, in the same state, citizens on lockdown in fear of one 19-yr old with a pipe bomb and a gun? An entire city shuts down? Citizens turning over phones and cameras to aid in the capture of this 19-yr old "terrorist."? Extrajudicial punishments? Indefinite detentions? No Miranda rights? No right to a jury trial? No due process?

A sad day, indeed.

and the town that started the 4/19 legacy has been destroyed by fertilizer...the alleged cause of OKC 1995 on 4/19. Two days shy of the 4/19 anniversary

Waco. Oklahoma City. VT Tech. Columbine. Boston Marathon. 4/19 is a nasty piece of work for a week.

[KeenInsight]

You finished urinating? Dude, go fuck yourself right now, for that. Preposterous?
Do you not have even an ounce of patriotism? Do you not have an iota of respect for good cops?
The American flag is inherently a bad, scary, distasteful thing? Is that how you feel? If so, fuck you.

Careful what you say FourthBase. Seriously man. Its not about good and bad, its about people being duped into this narrative. Of course there are GOOD cops, GOOD people. I've met plenty myself.

Is this seriously the accepted product of terror-scares? Racial Profiling? Man Hunts with 30,000 cops, killing the criminal without giving them trial? Like this is some kind fucking Hollywood movie? Roving cops and military on streets able to search ANY house without warrant? Just wow.

If that was the kind man power to find EVERY child that goes missing EVERY DAY, or for knife-wielding lunatic killers, and other scum, then just maybe more criminals would be caught and innocent people saved?

Its a god damn coverup, a clean sweep so they can't even tell anyone. The parents of these suspects are already claiming the FBI was in contact with them before the bombing. These kids were NO DOUBT ENTRAPPED by the FBI, and PUSHED into doing this, probably given money, training, and LIVE EXPLOSIVES. They were just fucking kids for christ sake, no doubt made radical by the same god damn agencies we are "supposed" to trust. So what the fuck did anyone really win here?



And seriously? The American Flag standing for "good?" If anything the flag should be permanently displayed upside down for a country that is continually in distress by the very powers that have institutionally corrupted it.

I'm sure my Native American ancestors thought the fledgling American Flag (a copy of a British Flag) was indeed a bad, and distasteful thing, waved around by people with mean-ness in their blood for anybody that was inherently different and stood in the way of Manifest Destiny. Betrayed, murdered, lied to, and slaughtered. And still clearly this nation is full of hate and violence, when the government that wears it is the greatest purveyor of violence IN THE WORLD.

“The greatest purveyor of violence in the world : My own Government, I can not be Silent.” - MLK

Fuck the Government. And Fuck The Flag. Fuck all the criminal scum bags that killed JFK, RFK, MLK, and framed patsies. And fuck the people that were involved with Waco, Oklahoma, 9/11. Fuck the politicians for allowing the Iraq War, Afghanistan War, and destruction of Palestine to happen with the death of 158,000 to 202,000 civilians. Fuck the politicians that send soldiers to die as pawns. Fuck all the powers that be that allowed thousands of children to starve to death in Iraq. Fuck the FBI and the CIA for enabling and abetting Terrorists. Fuck Obama for allowing drone strikes to make children into ORPHANS. God, fucking damn. All of those fuckers hid behind a flag.

[FourthBase]

off topic

The interaction of various styles of personality is always interesting. The mental reaction, ‘you are a douche and must be ignored because you said something personally offensive to me (or plain stupid), is not empowering for either party.

It is common sense to see that people that you disagree with provide a necessary service in helping one to be motivated to shape ones own thoughts more precisely.

From my perch, the variety of fairly strong voices on this blog is required to do anything useful.

So for instance, C2W? has a quality that reflects a respect and aspiration for the precise use of language.

This service can be invaluable to folk like me who quite possibly are over inclined to take off on flights of fancy.



Part of the entertainment for ‘quiet’ people is to watch the holes that ‘loud’ people dig for themselves.

FB, you are a fool if you think your divisive Bushian ‘you are for ‘us’ or you are for the terrorists’ ploy has any legs.

I do enjoy your voice Fourth Base because I do like to see people ripping it up, but you might want to put the drama queen to bed. He is tired.

No. Wrong. "My voice", how fucking condescending. I'm a person. I exist.

The incessant cynicism of others serves NO PURPOSE but to poison our minds.

And there is no such ploy. It's not "with us or against us", what a crock of shit. It's:
Are you grounded in some dimension of reality, or not? Or is this just a place to jerk to doom porn?
Realize that by "reality", I mean a WIDE spectrum of possibilities. But no, you want to see me one way.

YOU want to see ME in ONE WAY. You are NOT SEEING ME, though. NOT READING.
Drama queen? Again, it's entirely justified: GO FUCK YOURSELF. Yeah, what a drama queen.
This was only, you know, where I live, and all. Why am I making such a big deal? Relax. Yeah.
What could EVER possibly make ME think I'd know more about Boston events and people than YOU?

[FourthBase]

You finished urinating? Dude, go fuck yourself right now, for that. Preposterous?
Do you not have even an ounce of patriotism? Do you not have an iota of respect for good cops?
The American flag is inherently a bad, scary, distasteful thing? Is that how you feel? If so, fuck you.

Careful what you say FourthBase. Seriously man. Its not about good and bad, its about people being duped into this narrative. Of course there are GOOD cops, GOOD people. I've met plenty myself.

Is this seriously the accepted product of terror-scares? Racial Profiling? Man Hunts with 30,000 cops, killing the criminal without giving them trial? Like this is some kind fucking Hollywood movie? Roving cops and military on streets able to search ANY house without warrant? Just wow.

If that was the kind man power to find EVERY child that goes missing EVERY DAY, or for knife-wielding lunatic killers, and other scum, then just maybe more criminals would be caught and innocent people saved?

Its a god damn coverup, a clean sweep so they can't even tell anyone. The parents of these suspects are already claiming the FBI was in contact with them before the bombing. These kids were NO DOUBT ENTRAPPED by the FBI, and PUSHED into doing this, probably given money, training, and LIVE EXPLOSIVES. They were just fucking kids for christ sake, no doubt made radical by the same god damn agencies we are "supposed" to trust. So what the fuck did anyone really win here?



And seriously? The American Flag standing for "good?" If anything the flag should be permanently displayed upside down for a country that is continually in distress by the very powers that have institutionally corrupted it.

I'm sure my Native American ancestors thought the fledgling American Flag (a copy of a British Flag) was indeed a bad, and distasteful thing, waved around by people with mean-ness in their blood for anybody that was inherently different and stood in the way of Manifest Destiny. Betrayed, murdered, lied to, and slaughtered. And still clearly this nation is full of hate and violence, when the government that wears it is the greatest purveyor of violence IN THE WORLD.

“The greatest purveyor of violence in the world : My own Government, I can not be Silent.” - MLK

Fuck the Government. And Fuck The Flag. Fuck all the criminal scum bags that killed JFK, RFK, MLK, and framed patsies. And fuck the people that were involved with Waco, Oklahoma, 9/11. Fuck the politicians for allowing the Iraq War, Afghanistan War, and destruction of Palestine to happen with the death of 158,000 to 202,000 civilians. Fuck the politicians that send soldiers to die as pawns. Fuck all the powers that be that allowed thousands of children to starve to death in Iraq. Fuck the FBI and the CIA for enabling and abetting Terrorists. Fuck Obama for allowing drone strikes to make children into ORPHANS. God, fucking damn. All of those fuckers hid behind a flag.

- Careful what I say? Oh, right, I take no care. What horseshit.
There are good people who become cops. Some of them even become good cops.
I'm not supposed to root for them to catch a mass murderer, or a phantom mass murderer?
Again: DO YOU FOLKS REALLY THINK I DON'T ALREADY KNOW AND APPRECIATE YOUR POV?
That if you rehash all the reasons for doubt and fear, I'll suddenly realize, hey, yeah, maybe?
DESPITE WRITING ABOUT THOSE SAME DOUBTS AND FEARS LONG BEFORE YOU HERE?
"Fuck the Government"? And I'm the one who should be careful? Me?
What, you don't think good people exist in the government, either?
"No, I'm sure there are, but..." NO BUTS! DIFFERENTIATE, YOU LAZY FUCKS!
An upside down flag is cool? But not a rightside up one?
THE FORMER IS JUST AS MUCH THE FLAG AS THE LATTER.
And you don't REALLY know WHAT someone is thinking as they wave a flag.
"I love this country, now kill some brown people!"
---------------OR----------------
"I love this country, now expose the Scumbag Elite who hijacked it!"
STOP BEING SO WILLFULLY STUPID AND LAZY. It's willful.
I know damn well you're smarter than this shit, so many of you.

[8bitagent]

off topic

The interaction of various styles of personality is always interesting. The mental reaction, ‘you are a douche and must be ignored because you said something personally offensive to me (or plain stupid), is not empowering for either party.

It is common sense to see that people that you disagree with provide a necessary service in helping one to be motivated to shape ones own thoughts more precisely.

From my perch, the variety of fairly strong voices on this blog is required to do anything useful.

So for instance, C2W? has a quality that reflects a respect and aspiration for the precise use of language.

This service can be invaluable to folk like me who quite possibly are over inclined to take off on flights of fancy.



Part of the entertainment for ‘quiet’ people is to watch the holes that ‘loud’ people dig for themselves.

FB, you are a fool if you think your divisive Bushian ‘you are for ‘us’ or you are for the terrorists’ ploy has any legs.

I do enjoy your voice Fourth Base because I do like to see people ripping it up, but you might want to put the drama queen to bed. He is tired.

As Ive been saying since 2007, I love everyone on RI and all the infighting among 35-70 year old grown ups is sad. To me RI is the most elite political discussion forum on the internet, deep web, etc.
Everyone has a valuable opinion and angle. And yes, I even miss Hugh

not really scared of trucks myself.

I got a chill when the initial reports were coming in and I thought we were looking at a Beslan or Mumbai type incident on MIT campus.

To me a Beslan or Mumbai 2008 event always felt more likely than a "new 9/11" or mini nuke attack.

[8bitagent]

You finished urinating? Dude, go fuck yourself right now, for that. Preposterous?
Do you not have even an ounce of patriotism? Do you not have an iota of respect for good cops?
The American flag is inherently a bad, scary, distasteful thing? Is that how you feel? If so, fuck you.

Careful what you say FourthBase. Seriously man. Its not about good and bad, its about people being duped into this narrative. Of course there are GOOD cops, GOOD people. I've met plenty myself.

Is this seriously the accepted product of terror-scares? Racial Profiling? Man Hunts with 30,000 cops, killing the criminal without giving them trial? Like this is some kind fucking Hollywood movie? Roving cops and military on streets able to search ANY house without warrant? Just wow.

If that was the kind man power to find EVERY child that goes missing EVERY DAY, or for knife-wielding lunatic killers, and other scum, then just maybe more criminals would be caught and innocent people saved?

Its a god damn coverup, a clean sweep so they can't even tell anyone. The parents of these suspects are already claiming the FBI was in contact with them before the bombing. These kids were NO DOUBT ENTRAPPED by the FBI, and PUSHED into doing this, probably given money, training, and LIVE EXPLOSIVES. They were just fucking kids for christ sake, no doubt made radical by the same god damn agencies we are "supposed" to trust. So what the fuck did anyone really win here?



And seriously? The American Flag standing for "good?" If anything the flag should be permanently displayed upside down for a country that is continually in distress by the very powers that have institutionally corrupted it.

I'm sure my Native American ancestors thought the fledgling American Flag (a copy of a British Flag) was indeed a bad, and distasteful thing, waved around by people with mean-ness in their blood for anybody that was inherently different and stood in the way of Manifest Destiny. Betrayed, murdered, lied to, and slaughtered. And still clearly this nation is full of hate and violence, when the government that wears it is the greatest purveyor of violence IN THE WORLD.

“The greatest purveyor of violence in the world : My own Government, I can not be Silent.” - MLK

Fuck the Government. And Fuck The Flag. Fuck all the criminal scum bags that killed JFK, RFK, MLK, and framed patsies. And fuck the people that were involved with Waco, Oklahoma, 9/11. Fuck the politicians for allowing the Iraq War, Afghanistan War, and destruction of Palestine to happen with the death of 158,000 to 202,000 civilians. Fuck the politicians that send soldiers to die as pawns. Fuck all the powers that be that allowed thousands of children to starve to death in Iraq. Fuck the FBI and the CIA for enabling and abetting Terrorists. Fuck Obama for allowing drone strikes to make children into ORPHANS. God, fucking damn. All of those fuckers hid behind a flag.

I agree 100%. It's maddening. Our government has literally murdered/been party to the slaughter of millions. Vietnam. Iraq. backing of Indonesian genocide in Jakarta capital and East Timor.
In the last 11 years, millions of innocent Middle Easterners have been killed/maimed/displaced/permanently psychologically harmed by the war machine.

I LOVE Obama for supporting gay equality, opposing right wing clamp downs on women health and work rights, etc. But not a day goes by where I forget that he also proudly signs off on weekly drone strikes that contain "double tap" provisions...then has the gall to say the civilian death count has been "low". "Support our troops"...because young kids were duped into joining the jingoist jihad, I have to be guilted into supporting troops?
Yeah the US military does some good, like in Haiti. But its mostly been used as a force for bad. Very bad. Now most soldiers are probably decent people. But ideologically I just can't support the military.

3 people died in the Boston event. One was an 8 year old named Richard Martin. But how many Richard Martin's have died in the middle east thanks to Uncle Sam?

And for the love of pete, why don't more people get that there are VERY FEW terror plots that do NOT have intel links. Madrid. 7/7. 9/11. Bali. Informants, moles, you name it. Is there any post 9/11 plots "busted by the FBI" that the FBI DIDNT create? It's Mainstream news. Noone cares



These two guys had contact with agencies. Either foreign or domestic. They may have turned bad, and they did evil. But I dont believe they acted independently and just suddenly turned into crazy jihadists.