Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

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Re: Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:33 pm

Harvey wrote:Horrible yes. Isn't this what parts of the 9/11 truth movement did to a number of people with relatives caught up in 9/11? Isn't this almost analogous to what the crisis actor proponents do to victims of mass murder day in day out? Needs saying.


No it doesn't. It is of no relevance whatsover. It is a mere distraction, a red herring and a dead end. "Some Guy Says Something Objectionable On Teh Internet" is not the same kind of thing at all as "US Government, Anonymous Authorities And Corporate Hacks Declare War On Terror In 2001 And Trample On Justice, Legality and Reason Ever Since."
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Re: Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Harvey » Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:40 pm

MacCruiskeen » Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:33 pm wrote:
Harvey wrote:Horrible yes. Isn't this what parts of the 9/11 truth movement did to a number of people with relatives caught up in 9/11? Isn't this almost analogous to what the crisis actor proponents do to victims of mass murder day in day out? Needs saying.


No it doesn't. It is of no relevance whatsover. It is a mere distraction, a red herring and a dead end. "Some Guy Says Something Objectionable On Teh Internet" is not the same kind of thing at all as "US Government, Anonymous Authorities And Corporate Hacks Declare War On Terror In 2001 And Trample On Justice, Legality and Reason Ever Since."


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Re: Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:48 pm

No worries, Harvey, and thanks for not stretching the thread with a pointless to-and-fro. (For the record, you're one the posters I like and respect, on this sadly-depleted board.)
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Re: Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:13 pm

"I'm starting to think this is part of a social experiment to prove how many people are not paying attention or just watching Dancing with the Stars and football and don't care."



Media Casually Touring Omar Mateen's Apt 24 Hrs After Shooting
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Re: Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

Postby SonicG » Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:33 pm

Take a look at what Napolitano is referencing, which at first I thought he was being stupid but... What the report says is that there were no shots between the initial exchange of fire when "officers from various law enforcement agencies made entrance to Pulse and engaged the shooter". I really don't remember hearing that before. But Napolitano is only right that there were no shots after the initial gunfire and until the police blow up the wall. So he managed to kill and wound 100 persons from 1:58 until 2:05 when he holes up in the bathroom? I think Napolitano is a stupid Libertardian party member and Fox-News fascist, so I doubt he is right, but...
https://www.fbi.gov/tampa/press-release ... b-shooting

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Re: Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Morty » Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:01 pm

"What is your name?"
"My name is I pledge allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi of the Islamic State."

"What is your name?"
“My name is death to traitors, freedom for Britain.”
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Re: Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Nordic » Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:26 pm

This would explain why the archives of all the emergency transmissions magically disappeared. Also why the cops sheepishly admitted that "some" of the dead may have been killed by "friendly" fire but gosh we'll never know whom exactly.

Sheesh. With cops like these, who needs terrorists?
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Re: Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Sounder » Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:33 pm

Come on now Morty, surely you don't find anything meaningful in that coincidence?

I mean, that could lead some to consider that globalists will even kill their biggest supporters to achieve objectives.

Perish the thought.
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Re: Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Morty » Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:15 pm

What a joke:
Officials did not say how many officers fired in that gun battle, or how many rounds. The Orange County medical examiner, Dr. Joshua D. Stephany, said in an interview that autopsies of victims had not made any determination about who fired the fatal shots.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/us/fb ... .html?_r=0

24/7 cops and robbers shows on the idiot box, forensic investigations up the wazoo, but if you get shot on the street in real life they won't even bother looking to see who shot you.
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Re: Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:20 pm



It's getting increasingly hard to tell what's meant as a joke and what isn't. I am not joking.

Officials did not say how many officers fired in that gun battle, or how many rounds. The Orange County medical examiner, Dr. Joshua D. Stephany, said in an interview that autopsies of victims had not made any determination about who fired the fatal shots.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/us/fb ... .html?_r=0

24/7 cops and robbers shows on the idiot box, forensic investigations up the wazoo, but if you get shot on the street in real life they won't even bother looking to see who shot you.


Just wait. They'll tell us next, with a straight face, that the (still-unidentified) shooter was also carrying a whole mini-arsenal of recently-stolen current-issue police guns.

"In a shocking new development, it has now emerged that..."

Watch this space. That "news" will be attributed to "law-enforcement sources, speaking on condition of anonymity". And it'll be lapped up eagerly, here and elsewhere.
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Re: Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:37 pm

Paul Wysopal. Paul Wysopal. Paul Wysopal. Paul Wysopal. Paul Wysopal. Paul Wysopal.

Remember that name, because he, for once, gave his name and was speaking on the record.

And note what "Clinton Van Zandt, former FBI criminal profiler, and the FBI’s former chief hostage negotiator" says about the state-of-the-art means and methods available to the FBI.

FBI team from Quantico to reconstruct Orlando shooting scene

By Neal Augenstein | @AugensteinWTOP June 13, 2016 1:32 pm

WASHINGTON — One of the critical tasks in understanding Sunday’s shooting inside an Orlando nightclub involves knowing the history of every bullet that killed 49 people and wounded 53 others.

In a Monday morning news conference, Paul Wysopal, the FBI special agent in charge of the investigation at Pulse — a gay nightclub — said an FBI shooting reconstruction team from Quantico, Virginia, will analyze the shooting scene.

A gunman who claimed allegiance to ISIS opened fire inside a crowded gay nightclub early Sunday, killing at least 50 people before dying in a gunfight with SWAT officers, police said. It was the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history. Authorities are investigating the attack as an act of terrorism.

“What their job is is to document every round, every shot that had been fired throughout the entire incident,” said Clinton Van Zandt, former FBI criminal profiler, and the FBI’s former chief hostage negotiator. “Who had fired the various bullets, where the individual shooters were positioned when they fired, and which gun had fired which round that was recovered at the scene.”

Van Zandt said “this is going to be a very challenging shooting scene,” in large part because of the number of rounds fired.

“They’re going to use anything from tape measurers, protractors, trigonometry, laser scanners,” said Van Zandt. “They may have thin metal rods that are called ‘trajectory rods,’ that are actually inserted into the bullet hole to help see the angle that the bullet came from.”


In Monday’s news conference, Orlando Police Chief John Mina said the investigation will determine whether any inside the club were killed by “friendly fire.”

“The shooter we know had an AR-15 type of rifle, and a Glock 9 mm pistol — were those two the only two weapons used inside the club,” said Van Zandt. “Did he simply use the rifle, or the rifle and the handgun?”

The gunman, Omar Mateen, had called 911 after the shooting rampage, during the period of time he had held approximately five people hostage.

According to Mina and the FBI, Mateen identified himself, and pledged allegiance to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

SWAT teams with an armored vehicle punctured a hole in a wall that Mateen was barricaded behind, while holding hostages. When Mateen emerged, he exchanged gunfire with law enforcers, and was shot dead.

“Of course, one of the terrible questions that has to be answered, is of the killed and wounded, was this all done by the shooter, or could it have been accidentally done by law enforcement in their exchange,” said Van Zandt. “A bullet travels at thousands of feet a second, and can penetrate multiple walls once it’s been fired.”

Van Zandt said the shooting reconstruction, when used in conjunction with autopsy results, will verify how each person died.

http://wtop.com/national/2016/06/fbi-te ... ing-scene/
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Re: Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Burnt Hill » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:17 pm

Nordic » Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:26 pm wrote:This would explain why the archives of all the emergency transmissions magically disappeared. Also why the cops sheepishly admitted that "some" of the dead may have been killed by "friendly" fire but gosh we'll never know whom exactly.

Sheesh. With cops like these, who needs terrorists?


Is this true? Or is it just the live phone call to the police that isn't being released?
Broadcastify is a pay site to access their archives, but the feeds from the shooting are all over the internet.
One of the first things the Orlando police chief said was that the forensics would be thorough and time consuming,
no surprise that it is not out yet.
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Re: Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:23 pm

Burnt Hill wrote:One of the first things the Orlando police chief said was that the forensics would be thorough and time consuming,no surprise that it is not out yet.


No surprise that you would defend them, because that's all you ever do. In any case. he's not in charge. The FBI is. (See the post immediately above yours.)

And what about the autopsy results? How long do they take to produce? Will you be surprised if they never come out? Will you object?

Burnt Hill wrote:the feeds from the shooting are all over the internet.


Where? I'm calling your bluff.
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Re: Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Burnt Hill » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:55 pm

I am not "defending" anyone.
The autopsy reports wont be released until the criminal investigation is done.
The families have already received the reports for their loved ones.
You care so much that I am surprised you don't know this.
You can find the feeds if you really want to.

What is questionable is whether Broadcastify actually "lost" the feeds due to server overload.
Its a pay site though so I cant check.
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Re: Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:56 pm

Bullshit.
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