Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

[82_28]

She's done. If she acts like that she loses everyone. Trump will obliterate her. Remember "lame mom" being someone you just zone out. She will be zoned out. I can't believe what this has come to. This is a nation of idiots.

[Burnt Hill]

I would guess a lot of people are happy to see her being a little aggressive and pissed off at Trump.
Some of the criticisms here feel a bit misogynistic.
Also Weiner certainly has problems, so far pedophilia does not appear to be one of them.
This is not a defense of Weiner, just seeking clarity in language to facilitate discussion.

[seemslikeadream]

sexist bastards

we all know women can not be angry ....smile all the time ....be pleasant ...it's a rule


women can not be angry even when they are considered to be evil .....

some one please prove to me that a man that was considered evil here was ever criticized for being angry

does anyone remember Trump himself is being sued for rape it's not one of his aids that raped that girl ?


rape...racist...homophobic...but that's ok cause he smiles and can get angry cause he is a man

[Novem5er]

I agree that people don't like women getting angry or heated, and will quickly resort to calling them "shrill". It's very sexist and I think it goes back to childhood when everyone got annoyed at their mothers for disciplining them. Pop psych ?

I watched the above Clinton video and I didn't mind that she was getting angry. However, what turned me off was how wooden it appeared. This wasn't a passionate, angry woman, it was a person reading off a teleprompter and trying to inject strong emotion into a script. Some politicians are better at it than others, and plainly she is not good at it. That doesn't disqualify her as a candidate, but in this day of mass media and social networks, I think candidates who can "act the part" have a much higher chance of winning. We all know that Kennedy lost that televised debate with Nixon, but won the public's heart because his demeanor was attractive and confident.

I'm not a Hillary fan, but I sympathize with her for being very qualified to lead in the behind-the-scenes ways, but she just does not have a public persona that people like.

[seemslikeadream]

oh but Trump surely does have that persona and he can be angry ....most of the time ...as long as he does it while being a man...men are strong while showing anger....women look like what?...lets find anyone here that ever took exception to his ill-tempered behavior

[Burnt Hill]

We all know that Kennedy lost that televised debate with Nixon, but won the public's heart because his demeanor was attractive and confident.

That's a bit of revised history.
Remember that radio listeners felt Nixon won that debate.
And follow up debates were considered even.
Eisenhower didn't give Nixon a ringing endorsement either.
There were other GOP fumbles that I cant remember right now.
And the election itself was quite close.

It certainly was the start of televised presidential media manipulation though.
Which has encouraged the idea that being physically attractive
is an important factor in politics.
That idea is sometimes echoed here.
It shouldn't be.

[Cordelia]

Her right hand woman/top aide is married to a child predator pedo who may be going to jail,

Separated from, and probably divorcing. It is not Huma Abedin who is a sexual predator. (The one thing I admire about Clinton is her seeming loyalty to her aide/protégé. Some would have found her a liability and concocted a way to dump her. Loyalty in politics tends to be a tenuous, fragile virtue imo.)

edited to correct probably divorcing since she's Muslim and may not wish to.

[seemslikeadream]

It is not Huma Abedin who is a sexual predator.

but surely she is responsible for it somehow

(The one thing I admire about Clinton is her seeming loyalty to her aide/protégé. Some would have found her a liability and concocted a way to dump her. Loyalty in politics tends to be a tenuous, fragile virtue imo.)

loyalty? that's for women and wimps

[Nordic]

sexist bastards

we all know women can not be angry ....smile all the time ....be pleasant ...it's a rule


women can not be angry even when they are considered to be evil .....

some one please prove to me that a man that was considered evil here was ever criticized for being angry

does anyone remember Trump himself is being sued for rape it's not one of his aids that raped that girl ?


rape...racist...homophobic...but that's ok cause he smiles and can get angry cause he is a man

Criticism of Hillary has nothing to do with Trump.

Zero.

Nor does her performance here have anything to do with her being a woman. She just happens to be a woman.

She is like an angry old man yelling at the kids to keep off her lawn here. She seems kind of demented. And like someone said above if she was trying to sound tough and aggressive for the sake of a bunch of Union workers, she failed miserably. She seems like a horribly untalented amateur, tone deaf and clueless.

Nothing to do with her being a female. Except in your head.

[seemslikeadream]

oh now women who get angry are like old demented men...nice

sorry to say Nor...she is a woman ..unless you have been under her pants suit and know something I don't

nothing to do with my head....just your sexism..and you don't even recognize it just like white people who don't know they are racists

show me one time here at RI that you ever criticized a man for being angry

women can't be angry can they without looking like old demented men .....Nor?

[Nordic]

oh now women who get angry are like old demented men...nice

sorry to say Nor...she is a woman ..unless you have been under her pants suit and know something I don't

nothing to do with my head....just your sexism..and you don't even recognize it just like white people who don't know they are racists

show me one time here at RI that you ever criticized a man for being angry

women can't be angry can they without looking like old demented men .....Nor?

There is no logic to that assertion.

Saying I'm misogynist for hating Hillary is like saying I'm antisemetic for hating Israel bombing civilians in Gaza.

It is literally the exact same thing as saying I'm misandrist and racist against whites because I hated George Bush and Dick Cheney.

She's despicable. I DONT CARE THAT SHE'S A WOMAN. I WOULD LIKE A WOMAN PRESIDENT. THE PERSON I AM VOTING FOR HAPPENS TO BE A WOMAN BUT SINCE ITS NOT THE WOMAN YOU WANT ME TO SUPPIRT IM SEXIST!

No.

[Novem5er]

We all know that Kennedy lost that televised debate with Nixon, but won the public's heart because his demeanor was attractive and confident.

That's a bit of revised history.
Remember that radio listeners felt Nixon won that debate.
And follow up debates were considered even.
Eisenhower didn't give Nixon a ringing endorsement either.
There were other GOP fumbles that I cant remember right now.
And the election itself was quite close.

It certainly was the start of televised presidential media manipulation though.
Which has encouraged the idea that being physically attractive
is an important factor in politics.
That idea is sometimes echoed here.
It shouldn't be.

Correct, sir. I should have clarified that it was the television audiences that gave the nod to Kennedy in the first debate, but the radio audiences felt Nixon won hands-down; and on subsequent televised debates, Nixon was more physically prepared . . .less sweaty, less fidgety, etc. Nixon didn't lose because of that first debate, but it set the tone for all of modern political media.

It's terrible that physical appearance and "on camera" personality is often more important than policy or experience; but 'dems the apples. I think it may come down to Trust. If a person seems wooden and stilted while explaining policy to an audience, then maybe the audience is less likely to believe those words. We want to be "sold" and most of sales is confidence. Obama read from a teleprompter, but he sold it and we bought it. Trump often speaks off-the-cuff, but he sells it (to his audience). Progressives mostly like Elizabeth Warren, even when she gets aggressive because she comes across as passionate and confident. To be fair, when Conservatives listen to Warren they often describe her in the same sexist ways as "shrill" or "yelling".

Sexism is real and because of that, I think it's more difficult for a female politician to garner respect. At the same time, people can genuinely dislike Hillary Clinton for her record, which has nothing to do with her gender. Both of these can be true with some overlap or ZERO overlap, depending on the person.

[JackRiddler]

It is literally the exact same thing as saying I'm misandrist and racist against whites because I hated George Bush and Dick Cheney.

No it's not. Since misandry and "reverse racism" are in the main non-existent constructs invoked tit-for-tat by those made uncomfortable by any mention of misogyny (or sexism) and racism.

I don't hate Hillary Clinton. I reject most of the things she stands for, and hate the political establishment of which she is a part. I'm not even sure I hate the Bushes, when I compare it to hatred I've felt for a couple of people I actually knew. It's more important than hate.

I don't see how you can deny that a great deal of what is leveled at Clinton or any other public woman is misogynist. At the same time, it's on a completely different ledger than her political career. I believe you -- your motivation in rejecting her is probably identical to my own, and not based in hatred of a powerful woman per se. But you don't need to deny the specific boxing-in of women through expectations of what they are supposed to be that is out there, and hardly directed only at Clinton.

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[tapitsbo]

Brash sexism against Clinton. But many pundits will say all criticism of Clinton is sexism, which is probably what itches at Nordic.

Of course, going by the model of some institutions' hiring practices, many might say the US needs at least 44 consecutive female presidents to achieve parity with their predecessors...

in a nod to confessional systems of government, reforms could ensure that forthcoming presidents will generally be non-binary identified individuals

[Nordic]

Yes, Jack, I realize all of that, but I was specifically referring to myself, and my own views.

I thought that was clear, but in case it wasn't, I'm saying it here.

I used to actually like Hillary. In the early days of Bill's presidency I even had a pleasant dream about her, and I almost never have celebrity dreams. She seemed smart and cool.

But I used to have very different views about a lot of things.

And yes,to have her supporters tell us we're misogynist because we don't support her is illogical and insulting and just wrong.