The 2012 "Election" thread

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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:17 am

DrVolin wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:LOSERS


Uh, I think some gloves might be coming off soon.



the gloves are off and they will fight among themselves until they lose the House....the republican party will never recover from this....they brought the crazies to the dance

the Greens have a huge opportunity here...there are many dems waiting to jump ship as soon as they don't have to work so hard to keep the vampires at bay...we stuck it out...combined effort to help the republicans destroy themselves.

Binyamin Netanyahu faces risk of 'payback' after Barack Obama victory
Israeli leader may be on the back foot over Iran and the Palestinians after apparently backing Romney for US president
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby NeonLX » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:31 am

I, for one, am happy that we are finally rid of "Holy Joe" Lieberman. And that in spite of her vast fortune, Linda McMahon wasn't able to buy his vacant seat.

Ain't never set foot in CT, but the results of this race cheered me.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby chump » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:49 am

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ele ... e-cheetos/

"The voters have spoken and we have to respect their will,” Hickenlooper said on Amendment 64. “This will be a complicated process, but we intend to follow through. That said, federal law still says marijuana is an illegal drug so don’t break out the Cheetos or gold fish too quickly.”
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:52 am

chump wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/11/07/hickenlooper-on-amendment-64-dont-break-out-the-cheetos/

"The voters have spoken and we have to respect their will,” Hickenlooper said on Amendment 64. “This will be a complicated process, but we intend to follow through. That said, federal law still says marijuana is an illegal drug so don’t break out the Cheetos or gold fish too quickly.”





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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby sunny » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:59 am

I'm grateful the Rape is Good Crew got bounced. Gays, pot, and women came out on top, which is more than good, it's great. I'm glad the 'Murican People rejected the swinish fools in favor of sanity and reason.
Now let's see if this mandate is honored or if Obama continues to pander to constituents who hate and want to destroy the voters who put him in office.
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Tammy Baldwin: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby Allegro » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:15 am


seemslikeadream wrote:Democrat Tammy Baldwin has defeated Republican Tommy Thompson to become the next senator from Wisconsin.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:21 am

:lol:

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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:27 am

So Jill Stein supposedly won more votes (as of 1am, 322,277 total) than any Green presidential candidate in history. I never thought she'd outperform Nader in 2000, but I suppose that's a matter of perspective. At the time, Nader seemed almost a mainstream choice, and most of my friends voted for him.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:28 am

Bill O'Reilly's ideological marriage to Stormfront is a chilling development, indeed.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:43 pm

Luther Blissett wrote:So Jill Stein supposedly won more votes (as of 1am, 322,277 total) than any Green presidential candidate in history. I never thought she'd outperform Nader in 2000, but I suppose that's a matter of perspective. At the time, Nader seemed almost a mainstream choice, and most of my friends voted for him.


That is mistaken. Official results for 2000, Nader as Green candidate:

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html

Bush 50,456,002 47.87% 271
Gore 50,999,897 48.38% 266
Nader 2,882,955 2.74%


2008, Nader no longer the Green candidate:


http://www.city-data.com/elec08/index.html

Ralph Nader http://www.votenader.org/ 738,475 0.56% -
Bob Barr http://www.bobbarr2008.com/ 523,686 0.40% -
Chuck Baldwin http://www.baldwin08.com/ 199,314 0.15% -
Cynthia McKinney http://votetruth08.com/ 161,603 0.12% -
Alan Keyes http://www.alankeyes.com 47,694 0.04%
Ron Paul 42,426 0.03%


(Ron Paul? Those must be write-in votes?)
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby bks » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:48 pm

Luther Blissett wrote:Bill O'Reilly's ideological marriage to Stormfront is a chilling development, indeed.


I missed this (thankfully). But to what do you refer, Luther?
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby compared2what? » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:01 pm



^^I was thinking last night that something like that would probably be pretty high on his second-term agenda. Less because of personal ill will towards Netanyahu specifically than because it's my hypothesis that behind-the-scenes, his presidency is really "Bill/Hillary III: The Quest for Stolen Legacy." So it would make sense if a first-term that prioritized health care was followed by second term that prioritized Arab-Israeli peace.

I'd definitely expect any such deal to be on the same kind of compromised terms as the ACA, if so. Because that's just how the Clintons (and the Democrats, ftm) roll. But any terms that were acceptable to Palestine would be an improvement, obviously.

Not that I'm holding my breath. I'm sorry to say.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:23 pm

In light of the numbers I posted above, for a third-party challenge to finally work, in my opinion, the following conditions would have to obtain:

- The present-day Republicans and right-wing ideology must wither away, and while it's clearly started, we're nowhere close to that. (Pop. vote: 50-50, again.)
- A real third-party challenge must be associated with a powerful coalition of social movements that wins over, among other elements, organized labor and the intellectual progesso-sphere (good luck on the latter; the former's actually possible).
- It must begin aiming for elections in 2015 and 2016 and beyond today, and promote a consistent message with unity in the movement around this message.
- It must find a way to attract a billion dollars paradoxically devoted to getting money out of politics. Sorry to say that.
- The challenge must make the elements of the electoral and the campaign system into its primary "Day 1" issue, i.e. money out of politics, public campaign finance, easy ballot access, media access, proporational representation (or IRV, the only option in the US that is currently constitutional).
- It must aim for breakthrough by breaking heavily into a statehouse, before the federal level.

Even if you were to remove all the other obstacles - money out, media access in, full participation in debates, a population actually educated about history and the issues, an end to seniority and random assignment of committee chairmanships - the winner-take-all system still makes it almost impossible to contemplate. This is fundamental and constitutional. There is no representative government. You don't vote for representatives. You vote for winners and there is only one winner per position. It's an atomized system. Why should any of these Congress bozos look outside their own district and state? Except to raise money that is, but again even if that were removed, winner-take-all almost always means there will be two parties. They will orient to an imaginary center ideology and false exaggeration of limited differences. They will be able to force-enlist or ignore everyone else as they compete for the vote of a tiny number of Mr. and Mrs. Clueless in Ohio.

I really have to wonder if an internal challenge to the New Democrat dominance of the Democratic party isn't the right way to go. We make fun of McGovern, but he got the nomination and won almost 40% of the vote at a time of objectively worse conditions in the populace for what he had to offer than today.

It's also such a joke. There shouldn't be a president, or a deformed, dysfunctional democracy dictated by the ideas and compromises of 55 dead men in 1787, but damn if you can move that without producing something worse. ("After 100 billion dollars were spent to influence the Constitutional Convention of 2017, the Senate was replaced by the College of Corporations. Proposals to allow individuals to sell their votes for cash to bidders on an unregulated exchange were rejected, and a strict minimum price of $1000 per full ballot per election was set and indexed to inflation, providing a sense of fair value as well as a powerful economic stimulus." - Nick's Future History.)

So lately I have to conclude change in this country is likeliest to come through the eventual loss of the empire and rejection of US-led neoliberalism sparking crisis here, and in the meantime "do the least harm" is the best we can hope for. For those of you who believe in the doctrine of "it has to get worse to get better," it must be admitted that Bush came closer to prompting a permanent break with the allies and client states than anyone else ever managed.

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PS - Can I make one man-type comment that may be construed as sexist but is actually the animal in me talking?
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:35 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:
DrVolin wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:LOSERS


Uh, I think some gloves might be coming off soon.



the gloves are off and they will fight among themselves until they lose the House....the republican party will never recover from this....they brought the crazies to the dance

the Greens have a huge opportunity here...there are many dems waiting to jump ship as soon as they don't have to work so hard to keep the vampires at bay...we stuck it out...combined effort to help the republicans destroy themselves.

Binyamin Netanyahu faces risk of 'payback' after Barack Obama victory
Israeli leader may be on the back foot over Iran and the Palestinians after apparently backing Romney for US president


While it is exciting to see the right wing crazies being chased out of town on all fronts, I;m feeling cautiously optimistic. As we know, the right has this regenerative, Terminator 2 like quality. Many top conservative analysts last night were saying this absolutely has to be the last election of this present incarnation of the GOP. That essentially the party is dead if it continues to run with the Santorum, Rush Limbaugh, Trump, Akin, etc type of buffoons making the loudest noise. The fact the right went so batshit right was good for two reasons: Massive gains for progressives in the senate and to some extent the house, and it shed light and flushed the rats out. Now the rat ship is sinking, and we'll see if they throw the rats out or the rats scurry to form their own even more extreme brand. Will the GOP become more moderate and inclusive?

Either way, the MIC/Sec Def Gates/Gulf State Elites/Major Banks could care less. Their agenda continues.
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Postby Perelandra » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:41 pm

Project Willow wrote:Ha!

My state legalized marijuana and gay marriage.
Yeah, although I'm not that enthusiastic about the pot initiative, at least these show the changing national demographics. Governor Inslee is very good news, as well.

So many astute comments, thanks to everyone.
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