Total Incomprehensible Unequivocal *FOR PROFIT* Bullshit

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

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Because if I can't live to be preoccupied with the calamity of the wider world another day, then obviously, I'm not going to be a hell of a lot of help to the even more disadvantaged people living in it whom I want to use whatever meager abilities I have in order to help.

There's nothing selfish or immoral about surviving and even, *gasp*, coping.
As someone close to me once said, "Life is like flying. You have to put on your oxygen mask first before helping others."

I think people should be free to do whatever is in harmony with their own aims and the world as they see it and as they are able to deal with it (as long as their aims and means of coping don't include, like, destroying the world or some part of it, it should go without saying).

People should be free...yes. BUT.
We are a species that has evolved to be social animals. Pack animals, if you will.
This means we are hardwired neurologically to take care of each other. As family.

And I'm surrounded by nice people who are only now rather late in life realizing that actively resisting fascism (education, activism, etc. heavy on education) is what we should all be doing as a lifestyle, not just "voting."

Back to the flying analogy.
In an emergency, it is not enough to be "doing no harm" and blocking the aisles watching others burn.

As many as possible to the best of their capability should actively LIVE against the Naziism that is flourishing. Obviously, many are not up to that task though more could be than today with more immediate support, encouragement, and motivation.

Lots of CIA energy goes into co-opting the bright nurturing peace and justice types into safe harbor-culture and behaviors that are no threat to fascism whatsoever.
Instead of 'the sixties,' "Noetic Science" and "Mother Jones.'

So there's a large effective middle-ground between coping/wishful thinking and throwing bricks through windows.

And I'm not kidding about CIA methodically channeling people towards LITERALLY wishful thinking with bogus science. There are CIA disinformationists promoting the idea that scientific studies are showing that "love" has a physical effect on water and chocolate.
I'm not kidding. This guy was on Pacifica Radio a few weeks ago. I've forgotten his name. This is blatant marketing of wishful thinking, a palliative a placebo, a substitute for activism and critical thinking.

Here's how the Pentagon defined this social control mechanism in military counterinsurgency terms in 1970.
From the Department of the Army's 1976 pamphlet no. 525-7-2, 'The Art and Science of Psychological Operations: Case Studies of Military Application, Vol. 2'--

An Unknown Warrior
by Edward J. Clarkson
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Individuals who have served the Viet Cong or the North Vietnamese Army in South Vietnam may join the Government of Vietnam and be welcomed as citizens of the Republic of Vietnam, so states the Chieu Hoi policiy of the government of Vietnam.

This policy was adopted by the government in early 1963. Americans, who had gained experience working with and observing defection programs in the Phillipines (HUKS) and in Malaya with the British, suggested a similiar program and and assisted in establishing it.

The rational is that an enemy force can be weakened by creating opportunities for defection. If the enemy soldier has no alternative to remaining, the enemy force is strengthened. But if an attractive visible alternative exists, the enemy's problems are compounded to a point where almost anyone is suspect. Such a pattern imposes on the enemy a requirement for additional manpower to observe their fellow soldiers.

[professorpan]

And I'm not kidding about CIA methodically channeling people towards LITERALLY wishful thinking with bogus science. There are CIA disinformationists promoting the idea that scientific studies are showing that "love" has a physical effect on water and chocolate.
I'm not kidding. This guy was on Pacifica Radio a few weeks ago. I've forgotten his name. This is blatant marketing of wishful thinking, a palliative a placebo, a substitute for activism and critical thinking.

Crank science has always been around -- it's not the domain of, or the product of, the CIA. Unless you have specific proof, it's irresponsible to lay blame at the foot of intelligence agencies.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

And I'm not kidding about CIA methodically channeling people towards LITERALLY wishful thinking with bogus science. There are CIA disinformationists promoting the idea that scientific studies are showing that "love" has a physical effect on water and chocolate.
I'm not kidding. This guy was on Pacifica Radio a few weeks ago. I've forgotten his name. This is blatant marketing of wishful thinking, a palliative a placebo, a substitute for activism and critical thinking.

Crank science has always been around -- it's not the domain of, or the product of, the CIA. Unless you have specific proof, it's irresponsible to lay blame at the foot of intelligence agencies.

Gee, I wouldn't want to lay blame at the foot of those oh so responsible intelligence agencies. Not after reading a book by the former director of Operation Phoenix, William Colby, so informatively titled 'Honorable Men: My Life in the CIA.'

Oh yeah, that's what Richard Helms testified to Congress we should just trust is the case...just before he was convicted of perjury.

Noetic Sciences is a spook creation anchored by a former astronaut. Perfect image anchor.

on edit: Here's the Noetics Sciences 'wishful thinking works' guy Caroline Casey put on her Pacifica Radio program, gullible kind soul that she is, Dean Radin.
http://www.coyotenetworknews.com/productcart/pc/radioshow.htm

February 28, 2008 Show
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Caroline welcomes Dean Radin,Ph.D., Laboratory Director at the
Institute of Noetic Sciences (worked at Bell Lab on telecommunications, two decades study on psychic phenomena in academia) that we may frolic in the Big Picture of inter-relatedness,
and tease forth its implications into pragmatic mysticism. His most recent book is "Entangled Minds."

His book is called "Entangled Minds" ?!
HAW. Motive hidden in plain sight, if you take off your rose-colored glasses.

His training and associations are all state-of-the-art Ivy League/Pentagon but he just has this thing for National Enquirer/New Age W.O.O.

Gee, I wonder why? He just might be...a mind studier and a mind fucker for TPTB.

http://www.deanradin.com/NewWeb/bio.html

Short Bio: Dean Radin, PhD, has been Senior Scientist at the Institute of Noetic Sciences since 2001. His initial career as a concert violinist diverted into science after earning a Masters degree in electrical engineering and a PhD in psychology from the University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana. For a decade he worked on advanced telecommunications R&D at AT&T Bell Laboratories and GTE Laboratories; for over two decades he has focused on consciousness research at Princeton University, University of Edinburgh, University of Nevada, and three Silicon Valley think-tanks, including SRI International, where he worked on a classified program investigating psychic phenomena for the US government. He is author or coauthor of over 200 technical and popular articles, a dozen book chapters, and several books including the bestselling The Conscious Universe (HarperOne, 1997) and the more recent Entangled Minds (Simon & Schuster, 2006). His technical articles have appeared in journals including Foundations of Physics, Psychological Bulletin, Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, and Journal of Consciousness Studies. He has been interviewed on television shows ranging from Oprah and Larry King Live, to the BBC’s Horizon and PBS's Closer to Truth, and he has presented over a hundred invited lectures in venues ranging from the physics department at Cambridge University, to the psychology department at Princeton University, the computer science department at Virginia Tech, DARPA, and Google headquarters.

This is the guy telling us that love from a distance physically changes water and chocolate. See any CIA patterns to his life? Amazing what you can get away with overtly with mainstream credentials. Because the CIA has co-opted the mainstream.

He is a CIA memetic engineer steering cultural creatives into safe cultural harbors, almost certainly.

[Searcher08]

Whenever I hear the expression "New Age WOO" , I pay great attention to what is being said.

It is a great way to smack down those themes or areas which powers that be want to smear / distract from. Maybe these things are not at the level of rigorous science, but perhaps that is an invitation to look at just WHAT "rigorous science" is as well.

For example, many promising areas in alternative medicine are starved of funding in shell games of "we cant give you money as there is no proof" vs "Do the trials and prove it then we will support you"

I have great respect for organisations such as IONS and The Monroe Institute for being willing to explore consciousness. I was lucky enough to meet Bob and Nancy Monroe and they were two of the loveliest human beings I've ever met.

What is so weird about the possibility of consciousness affecting matter?
So many skeptics just respond with variations on the theme of "Well, if that happened to be true, we would have to re-write our physics and chemistry textbooks!" So fucking what? Does nature predicate it's laws and patterns on whether it is acceptable to our (vastly over-rated) subsection of thinking called critical analysis?

Here is a link of some experiences of microwaved water on plants. Is it rigourous?NO! Is it double blind and placebo controlled HELL NO!! But is it interesting and deserving of further investigation? Heck, yeah!!!
http://www.rense.com/general70/microwaved.htm

As for the idea of love effecting physical matter, I love Hado
https://www.hado.net/hado/hadoinaction.php

[American Dream]

Searcher08 wrote:

I have great respect for organisations such as IONS and The Monroe Institute for being willing to explore consciousness.

The exploration of consciousness is sorely needed by humanity, however I am gravely concerned about the Institute of Noetic Sciences and the Monroe Institute because of their apparent ties to shadowy military and intelligence agenda.

The kind of uses that NASA, the CIA, DIA and others have for "consciousness" seem far more destructive than constructive...

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

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The kind of uses that NASA, the CIA, DIA and others have for "consciousness" seem far more destructive than constructive...

Exactly.

[Searcher08]

Searcher08 wrote:

I have great respect for organisations such as IONS and The Monroe Institute for being willing to explore consciousness.

The exploration of consciousness is sorely needed by humanity, however I am gravely concerned about the Institute of Noetic Sciences and the Monroe Institute because of their apparent ties to shadowy military and intelligence agenda.

The kind of uses that NASA, the CIA, DIA and others have for "consciousness" seem far more destructive than constructive...

The ties between the Monroe Institute and the DoD were really straightforward - Joe McMoneagle who is a very decent guy, an old fashioned patriot is married to Bob Monroe's daughter Nancy. Joe is one of the top remote viewers in the world - this is not shadowy, it is out in the open. Their work with remote viewing Mars, McMoneagle's look at the future in MindTrek deserve more than to be tarred with a "Oh they are naughty, they are connected with the CIA brush." Maybe there have been some good people with similar connections - Ray McGovern IMHO is a similar fine person - is he going to be seen as "worrying" because he is an ex-CIA person?? Seeing people like McGovern and McMoneagle as worrying is IMHO really going into Nu-Nu land.

Also, HMW, if you want to push forward "critical thinking" - many of the contracts for logical systems and mathematical logic at the big American Universities in the 70's were sponsored by... the US Navy and ONI!!!

[tKl]

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The kind of uses that NASA, the CIA, DIA and others have for "consciousness" seem far more destructive than constructive...

Exactly.

Exactly exactly. Destruction is their business, their purpose, their mission in life.

It's not "consciousness" they have found or fabricated, it's the uses they put it to.

[slimmouse]

Exactly exactly. Destruction is their business, their purpose, their mission in life.

It's not "consciousness" they have found or fabricated, it's the uses they put it to.

Absolutely. It does make you wonder, given that all of this is apparently little more than fallacious WOO, why the elites intel agencies spend so much time and effort attempting to get to the core of it. Or to infiltrate it. Or to subvert it. Or to dilute it. Or to distract it. Or to obfuscate it. etc ad infinitum.

The term no smoke without fire rings loud.

[chlamor]

Just to address a small point that Hugh brings up.

I used to live in S. Arizona near Fort Huachuca. As it turns out my partner and I lived next door to a couple who both worked at the for Army Intel at Ft. Huachuca. The woman was a bit disabled when we lived there, we only lived next to these people for one year. The man always left the house in a pseudo-detective hat and cheap sunglasses. He drove a garish blue chinzy looking dodge mini-pickup.

We didn't know what we were moving next to at the time we were just lookin' for a place to rent. And rest assured these people if anything seemed hapless. The woman did not often go outside and I never saw her in anything other than a bathrobe and sunglasses- always with a cigarette. She disappeared for a few weeks (a month or more?) in one stretch and folks around town said she went to the Mayo clinic in Phoenix. I wouldn't be surprised as she was very unstable. As her neighbor we unfortunately found out how unstable on the very first day of our move-in.

Well anyway I could tell the whole story but the short of it is that she used to work for the National Enquirer and then went to work for Army Intel at Ft. Huachuca. This I know. What it means I do not know nor have I ever made too much of it.

Some of it reminds me of Flagg from M*A*S*H* if you remember.

I really should tell some of this story here as it really was hilarious and bizarre.

But whether or not folks want to look into what Hugh says there are some strange affiliations occurring.

[professorpan]

Here we go again. The standard cut and paste of a résumé, with guilt-by-association bold texting. I laugh each time I read one of your bolded accusations -- University of Nevada! Silicon Valley! And he has a MASTERS DEGREE!

Dean Radin is an excellent scientist and researcher. His book, "The Conscious Universe" is probably the best summary of parapsychological research written for a lay audience. Though it may shock you, parapsychology is a legitimate science -- despite your attempts to mock it as "woo" (which takes first prize for meaningless terminology).

And though it's too complex for you to understand, not every single person who has ever done work for the government is one of THEM. Not every scientist who ever took money from the Pentagon is an evil collaborator and propagandist.

If you have some kind of goods on Radin, spill it. I'm all ears. But your scattershot character assassinations are getting very, very old.

[professorpan]

Absolutely. It does make you wonder, given that all of this is apparently little more than fallacious WOO, why the elites intel agencies spend so much time and effort attempting to get to the core of it. Or to infiltrate it. Or to subvert it. Or to dilute it. Or to distract it. Or to obfuscate it. etc ad infinitum.

The scientific study of psi phenomena cannot be dismissed as "woo."

Of course there were those in government and intel agencies who wanted to exploit psychic technologies. But that doesn't mean there weren't sincere researchers who wanted not to infiltrate, subvert, dilute, distract or obfuscate -- but to understand.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

I criticised Radin for his actions when I heard him interviewed. He committed deceptions.
Only then did I look up his self-declared resume which I seriously doubt is even all revealed to the public.

Here we go again. The standard cut and paste of a résumé, with guilt-by-association bold texting. I laugh each time I read one of your bolded accusations -- University of Nevada! Silicon Valley! And he has a MASTERS DEGREE!

Am I posting in invisible ink again? testing...one - two - three...
You conveniently ignored IONS, SRI, and classified government work on 'remote viewing' along with Radin's presentations at DARPA and Virginia Tech.

If you're going to take SRI's 'remote viewing' at public face value, then you should look into the use of fake military weapon research to cover for other undeclared research, confuse the public, and eat up resources in enemy military research through misdirection.

And Radin is a public mouthpiece for this psyops-drenched program. No wonder he's mouthing "love, water, chocolate" to gullible people who are then neutralized with pallitiaves and turned into guinea pigs for perception management and memetic engineering. "Don't worry, be happy. And that's enough to magically save the world through wishful thinking."

"Oh, the candy man can 'cause he mixes it with love and makes the world taste good."

Dean Radin is an excellent scientist and researcher.

Obviously he's excellent at something spooks like.
But what is he REALLY researching?
And what is he REALLY sustaining?
That's where his deceptions are and those of his ilk, like Marilyn Schlitz and Jeffrey Mishlove.

What Radin and company are really researching requires that the participating subjects are friendly and open to their presentations, just like the rapport a magician or hypnotist requires from an audience.

What Radin and company are really sustaining is a method of misdirecting people away from psy-ops by channeling them (pun intended) into superstition, mysticism, and pseudo-science.

It is a given that the public at large is more hostile to "para-whatever" including PARAPOLITICS, just as spooks intend.

So 'parapsychology' disinformation is meant to be polarizing while cleverly sustaining an intellectual ghetto in which to consign things meant to be obscured, an ongoing psy-ops project, just like 'UFO-alien abduction.'

Every once in a while the disinfo narratives get recharged with a new face, a Dr. Greer, or the use of numbers to imbue a whiff of credibility, like the "ganzfeld experiments" of 1974-1981, a ripe time for misdirection psy-ops. Even the name "ganzfeld" is a hijacking of what Wolfgang Metzger really studied.

These "ganzfeld experiments" are seriously flawed but useful to keep the "maybe" ball in the air. All it takes is something to talk about and someone who will talk about it like Dean Radin.

His book, "The Conscious Universe" is probably the best summary of parapsychological research written for a lay audience. Though it may shock you, parapsychology is a legitimate science -- despite your attempts to mock it as "woo" (which takes first prize for meaningless terminology).

The deceptions in that book are fascinating and illustrative.
http://www.skepticreport.com/pseudoscience/radinbook.htm

Parapsychology is a multi-funtion social control device including really being a cleverly disguised legitimate (ahem) study of how people perceive things that aren't real and how perceptions are internalized with enough social affirmation, exactly the dynamic that spooks study to deploy psy-ops.

Psy-ops is a real science, too. But it doesn't get a pass from me as benevalent.

And though it's too complex for you to understand, not every single person who has ever done work for the government is one of THEM. Not every scientist who ever took money from the Pentagon is an evil collaborator and propagandist.

Another straw man. I commented on Radin for his actions and specific perps. Not on "every single" etc.

If you have some kind of goods on Radin, spill it. I'm all ears. But your scattershot character assassinations are getting very, very old.

The forbidden subject of propaganda and psy-ops is displaced by and mirrored in 'parapsychology.' Influencing people from afar...hmmm. Hey! Just what the Psychological Strategy Board and U.S. Information Agency were set up to do. What a coincidence!

Parapsychology not only hides a real spook science, it is used to discredit and neutralize a cultural demographic that might get involved with activites once known as 'the sixties' AND it even does this while making them participants in the process.

Besides sustaining disinfo culture as an info weapon, parapsychology is also meant to be taken at face value by the hopeful and naive whose personalities are dangerously not bound by social convention and thus prone to anti-establishment sentiments. They can be attracted to parapsychology and 'the power of wishful thinking' and then used to accomplish stealth perception studies, a multi-functional dynamic.

The SF Bay area has a perfect demographic mix of mystical-spiritual-pagans and dangerous social activist culture to be neutralized. Scientists know that you can neutralize an acid with a base. And that's what spooks are doing with the help of Dean Radin and SRI and IONS etc.

You can find this couched in the language of the IONS perp who was first in San Antonio at the Mind Science Foundation, Marilyn Schlitz, in her interview by Mishlove where she talks about the effect of "healers" on "a group of needy people, people who had an exceptionally active autonomic nervous system"-
http://www.intuition.org/txt/schlitz.htm

Brilliant. Fascist spook work is evil but it is often effing brilliantly deployed. Use a scientific accent and you can make things sound like Progress!

Gee, who is on the Board of Trustees of the Mind Science Foundation?
Some warm fuzzy art types, some medical types...and some people tied to big oil and Pentagon contractors-United Energy Corporation and Southwest Research Institute.
http://www.mindscience.org/msf_board.html

Gee, all that emphasis on "PSI" for lo these many years. But...which one?
There's another "PSI" that seems to be cleverly mirrored thematically and linguistically by these IONS/SRI-linked perps.

Since the 1950s the study of ParaSocial Interaction with media characters has been at the core of psy-ops scripting, something I've written about here at RI quite alot.
ParaSocial Interaction is ALSO called "PSI."
Yes, PSI disinfo = alos a keyword hijacking of the active ingredient in media psy-ops used for news-reader credibility studies and entertainment role-modeling and catharsis.

What does Radin tell us about in his book called 'The Conscious Universe?'
Pseudo-scientific efforts to measure the effects of...things that happen on television.
TV? Yes, like:
>announcing the verdict in the OJ Simpson trial
>the Superbowl beginning
>the Academy Awards

All the dots connect. This is diversion away from the REAL psy-ops mechanisms that spooks use in television and movies.
And Radin is in on this cover-up right up to his lenses.

[Searcher08]

Hugh, I wish you didnt go down this track.

IMHO your weakness in this material is when you start swiping at what you call "pseudo-science".

When I hear your language and see you quote from skeptics review, you come across to me like a kind of Randiphile.

Have you investigated the Skeptic organisations? Have you commented on their somewhat worrying relationship to pedophilia via people like Ungerwager?
CSICOP; JREF, FMSF, PROMETHIUS BOOKS - if I hear someone using the same cognitive slap-downs as skeptics (seriously, I'm thinking Oh God Is he gonna start talking about "quackery" next)

IONS was founded by Edgar Mitchell, who from people I know who know him is of great integrity. I think it is doing incredibly important work on exploring the interface between matter and consciousness. I love new science and think we are on the verge of creating incredibly new ways of seeing and participating in the world. IONS has got diversity through it like a stick of rock.

In terms of needing to distract resources, "Black Budget" projects are not "hidden", they are done in a complete parallel accounting system. There is no "resource contention" - the resources that are needed are delivered by whatever means required. Like the 59 billion missing from the Pentagon? Or was that 1 trillion?

BTW Anti-gravity propulsion systems? Done YEARS ago!

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

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When I hear your language and see you quote from skeptics review, you come across to me like a kind of Randiphile.

Ouch. No way. I only last week looked at the forums at Randi's site. Yech.
The boards are full of ugly snarky trolls. Their favorite topic is denying 9/11 Truth and trashing anyone who promotes it. Looks like a gatekeeping place, just like DemocraticUnderground.

Have you investigated the Skeptic organisations?

I've read a few sites. Gatekeeping and steering towards safe topics just like Snopes and other mainstream debunking sites.

I should've noted I'm no fan of the many skeptic orgs and websites. They seem mostly to use debunking ghosties to steer people away from 'conspiracy theories' and promote Occam's Razor where it doesn't belong.

I only posted that review of Radin's book because it cited what was in the book in lengthy detail.

IONS was founded by Edgar Mitchell, who from people I know who know him is of great integrity.

That's doesn't carry much weight regarding the reality of IONS.
Mitchell may have been used as an anchor dupe for a disinfo project if he's such a nice guy. Maybe coming back to Earth made him full of awe left him open to being steered into fronting the project.

IONS has got diversity through it like a stick of rock.

IONS has got disinfo through it like a explosives drilled into support beams of the house of science.

BTW Anti-gravity propulsion systems? Done YEARS ago!

Really? Guess I'm way behind the curve there.