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Re: Michael James Riconosciuto

Postby American Dream » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:57 pm

OK, I went back and found a post that says something relevant to the Riconosciuto helicopter story:



From the Lonely Girl 15 site:

http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/ ... 15&t=14748


desertfae, "OMG Michael Called!!!" 10-28-07 (help please!)

by desertfae on Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:11 am

Hi, I know this will probably sound lame and I swear I'm not trying to plug my videos.. I just need help.

I'm not sure how many of you have seen my videos but what is going on with me is real... but it's also open for others to help if they want/can. I've been putting them up on the site trying to get some help.

Here's the deal (incase you don't want to go back through all my videos)..

My dad was murdered in a triple homicide when I was 13. He and his best friend Fred knew about stuff that was going on in Cabazon on the reservation and they were about to expose it and were killed because of it. I mean, we're talking some high level stuff, like Reagan even wrote a letter back to Fred about it (we have the letter). Many have been killed because of this and I've been shot at and had death threats when I was younger.

I kept quiet about the murders and all the corruption for years because the police told me someone was in the witness protection program and if I didn't stop that they would die.. so I did (hoping that person may be my dad because we never saw his body). I found out like 2 months ago that nobody is in the program and that may have been a lie and that my dad really was killed... so I started doing videos about it. I figured it was time all this came out in the open.

Well, here's where it gets weird. Sunday (this last Sunday) Michael Riconosciuto called me and told me that my phones are tapped and that people in multiple countries are watching me and "they" whoever they are, are also watching me, and I had to be careful.. so I got off the phone and was like yea right, whatever.

He wanted me to call someone like right away.. so I tried, got a busy signal and tried and tried.. and finally I called another friend to tell them what had happened, while I was on the phone an Army Helicopter came over my front yard (I live out in the country and have NEVER seen a helicopter of any sort here) and the dude like hung out of the door with gun in hand and stared at me.. so I froze and as soon as they started to lift back up I ran and got the camera and video taped it all. They circled my house until I got off the phone with the person Micahel wanted me to talk with (so I'm assuming my phones really are tapped, or how would they know when to leave)

So last night, I had like a guy prowling around my house that my daughter discribed like a military type guy too...

I need opinions, I'm not going to stop taping all this because thats whats keeping me safe.. as long as I show everyone what is going on and they know that something could happen and who to look at if something does I'm safe.. if I stop, then it's easier for them.

I know this all sounds crazy but I am telling the truth.. you can look some of this up on wikipedia looking for inslaw. My dad is even mentioned in there.

My videos have been posted up on LG as well or you can see them at youtube under desertfae.

Really, the reason I chose to put my videos here (even though this is real) is because I've been watching lonelygirl since the beginning and I know you guys are like super great with puzzles and stuff... and this is one HUGE puzzle... be it a true, ickky one, but nevertheless a puzzle.

Can any of you help?

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Re: Michael James Riconosciuto

Postby Searcher08 » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:11 am

American Dream, Im unsure what you want to accomplish here.
You seem (to me) to want to have 'both sides of the story' laid out, and then create a synthesis which is 'fact based'. Is that accurate?

If that is an accurate description, there are a couple of issues with that process.

a It gives equal weight to both 'sides' of the story
Now normally that is fine, but this is not a 'normal' situation. Rachel has a "vested interest" in having a successful investigation into her father's murder.
VM has consistently broadcast messages about Rachel that did not fit with the facts she already knew. I am still left wondering what the heck VM and KD are doing around this case, as their actions are certainly not creating clarity or moving the case forward.

b The Octopus story gets very hardball very quickly.
There is much more at stake for Rachel and Anita than for you or I or VM. The last person to die suspiciously around this was just a few months ago - Robert Booth Nichols. There is a real murder investigation with real lives at stake.
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Re: Michael James Riconosciuto

Postby American Dream » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:12 am

Searcher08 wrote:
American Dream, Im unsure what you want to accomplish here.
You seem (to me) to want to have 'both sides of the story' laid out, and then create a synthesis which is 'fact based'. Is that accurate?


Not exactly- I don't want to create a synthesis for everyone, I want everyone to be able to make an informed determination, using their own critical thinking, their own intuition, and all the verifiable facts that can be put at their disposal.

While I'm neither "for" or "against" Michael Riconosciuto as a person, it does seem like he is a very important part of the story.

Look at the story about Michael and the helicopters, as posted just above, and it does seem undeniable that this is so.

The Riconosciuto posse has played a significant role in the unfolding of this story (as perhaps the Gunderson posse has), and it ain't over yet.

There are valid reasons to be concerned about what role they have played in the past and- most importantly- what role they will play in the future.

Yes, this is only one aspect of the story- but it is an extremely important part...
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Re: Michael James Riconosciuto

Postby Dr_Doogie » Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:32 pm

AD, Rachel has had conversations with both Riconosciuto and Gunderson - that much is undisputed. But nowhere in her postings is it stated or implied that they had "a significant role in the unfolding of this story". She also has had online converstaions with you, me, searcher08, c2w?, etc. Have we all played "a significant role in the unfolding of this story"? Of course not.

This Riconosciuto/Gunderson angle that you obsess on is a straw man. Continue if you wish, but it would appear that no one except your friends at NMN are buying what you are selling. To the rest of us, it is just an continuation of the previous agenda started by VM and KD to discredit Rachel through falsehoods and innuendo.
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Re: Michael James Riconosciuto

Postby American Dream » Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:16 pm

Dr_Doogie wrote:
AD, Rachel has had conversations with both Riconosciuto and Gunderson - that much is undisputed. But nowhere in her postings is it stated or implied that they had "a significant role in the unfolding of this story"


I think it would be great if we could get some kind of clear statement from Rachel and from Anita about this. However, if you look over the last however many days of posts here, you will see that it is a topic which has been seriously avoided.


Doogie, what are your thoughts about the helicopter story above and about Riconosciuto in general?
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Re: Michael James Riconosciuto

Postby nathan28 » Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:59 pm

Do none of you worry about getting subpoenaed? Because I'm pretty sure there's an active investigation going on and at least one person has been disbarred--or maybe it's all part of the "ARG"? Har har, I'll be here all week! I mean, do you just not care? And if you don't care--why is there this unending pissing match in a topic so polluted by the hands of Rev. Moon's paper and three decades of disinformation? Because only one person has a direct stake in this case and she's prosecuting her plan of action as she sees fit--so what the fuck is up with the peanut gallery? Because it's not like commenting about OJ c. 1990whatever, it's more like standing outside a courtroom to play imaginary journalist, where you don't report anything original besides pile links together on your 1992esque webpage. The longer these threads go on the more I wonder if NMN isn't totally corrupt or a sponge for, or just itself is, some oddly-concerned but ultimately uninterested third party.

In fact, there are already so many other curiously-involved third parties--Teddie G. being one--that it's IMO utterly hopeless, but then again, it looks like this Jimmy Hughes case leaves open some possibility of justice, Ted G.'s Alzheimer's cryptoracist Christian conspiritainment mongering and Michael Proscuitto's rumored but strangely unconfirmed evils not withstanding. This is like walking into a drug orgy after the party breaks--sure, there's like three freaks in the living room fondling each other, but it's 5am and the people whose house it is are cleaning up already. You're not involved. Best to just turn around and walk away, because if you're going to get herpes, it'll be really embarrassing, and an unacceptable risk/reward ratio, that you got it from drinking out of a dirty glass.

But again, I was pretty sure there's at least one active case. I for one have no desire to take an affirmation or sit, unpaid, in a deposition over my throw-away comments here where I call right-winger global warming deniers "constipated & sexually-frustrated retardofascist survivalist goldbug corporate shills" or lambast the utterly transparent state-sponsored drug running--I mean, "terrorism policies"--where local cops bust white dudes with mil-intel experience and connections for terrorism as loads of horseshit, or just call Barack Obama's neoliberal health care "reforms" horseshit and wonder why we can't get single payer--damn, did it again.

The one thing that is clear to me is that the more I pay attention to these threads the more confused I get, but it's the sort of strange-loop confusion that I have no, zero, desire to get involved in. So as you can all see, clearly, I got nothing better to do than make bad jokes to keep myself entertained, largely at the expense of NMN & Friends along with their archnemesis, Ted "My Alcoholic-Stupor-Induced Sunburn is Proof of Gov't Energy Weapons" Gunderson. Trazadone awaits, see you all in the morning.
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Re: Michael James Riconosciuto

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Re: Michael James Riconosciuto

Postby American Dream » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:26 am

[Cross-posting on "Seeking the Head of the Octopus" thread]

http://www.newsmakingnews.com/vm,fred,a ... ,4,10.html

"MAGIC MIKE" RICONOSCIUTO MEETS "DR." JOHN PHILIP NICHOLS AT THE CABAZON RESERVATION

by Virginia McCullough



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The mainstream media has reported that two years after John Philip Nichols took control of the Cabazon Reservation employing his family in the company called Pro Plan Inc. a young genius named Michael James Riconosciuto was introduced to him. However, even the timing of the introduction, the location of the first meeting, the reason for the initial contact, the people who arranged the meeting, the reason for bringing the two men together, the entities behind the scenes still remain a mystery to this day. Just like "Magic Mike" the fascination is wrapped up in the unknown.

Albert Einstein said, "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."

Ever since the first meeting between the general manager of the Cabazons and the strange young man who had built his own laser when he was barely a teenager, reporters around the world had their eyes wide open and they remained captivated with the ever expanding web that started with this first meeting.

"Dr." John Philip Nichols was interviewed by Ambrose I. Lane, Sr. in 1995 for his book Return of the Buffalo. Lane wrote that Nichols was asked how the relationship with the giant Florida security firm Wackenhut came about and Lane recounted that "According to him [Nichols], establishing that contact was a source of pride. Because of the uncertainty of adequate income to meet the increasing expenses of the Tribe, he was pushed to concentrate on seeking new business opportunities. He described the hookup with Wackenhut this way:

When I was told to go out and look for new business, that's what I did. Wackenhut -- I was very proud of this and the way that came about -- Mr. Wackenhut's mother was a friend of a guy named Charles Emmert, and Emmert was a friend of Mike Riconosciuto's father, Marshall Riconosciuto. He was also a friend of Beryl Barber and Beryl Barber had reportedly developed a lot of the hardware for the AWAC's [Airborne Warning And Control System] airplane. This Charles Emmert was the head of a group calling itself something like "We Won't Pay Income Tax." They refused to pay income tax because of wars and all that stuff, and he [Emmert] just wouldn't pay it. So, of course the federal government was really hot on his tail. But he was also a conservative.

Apparently Emmert was also a friend of a fellow named Pat Moriarty who owned Red Devil Fireworks Company. Moriarty, allegedly a former CIA agent who had worked overseas and in Northern Japan, was an acquaintance of Robert Meskunas who knew me. Meskunas supposedly told some of them I was a social worker who often successfully treated people with severe mental and emotional problems, citing for example my work in Kentucky and Michigan. Apparently they had been discussing Mike Riconosciuto.

So what happened, Charles Emmert called me and said, "Look, I have a problem. We have a genius by the name of Michael Riconosciuto." He said Michael had shot down an RCA satellite in Mozanbique where he had gone when he had gotten mad at RCA. Now Mike was hanging around the Stanford Research Institute and he knew all the scientists there. Mike had lived with Janis Joplin in the past and it was stated he was a cook for the Hells' Angels for making amphetamines. I said, "He sound pretty sick to me."

Emmert felt I could help get Mike cleaned up for Wackenhut. Emmert felt Wackenhut would like to have him mentally and emotionally straight to use his genius. I went to Pinole, California, accompanied by Peter Zokosky and my wife and his wife. Pinole was the site of Hercules Powder Company, which had been owned by Dupont. It has been sold, and Michael's father had gotten control of this mammoth, mammoth plant. His son Mike was manufacturing amphetamines, apparently unknown by his dad. Mike wanted to hire me. He brought with him to the meeting $100,000 in street money. He was disheveled, dirty looking and smelled like he needed a bath. He said, "I would like to work with Wackenhut," as Emmert had said Wackenhut could use him. Zokosky still thought he really was a genius. Zokosky had been president of Armtec, which made caseless ammunition that was used in the Vietnam War. They made artillery ammunition out of nitrocellulose, with a metal cap and a traditional nose on each shell. The case, when fired, would disintegrate. After disintegration, only the bottom of the shell would be left. Before this invention, the entire hot shell would be left, burning the legs of the soldiers. Zokovsky had been president of this company which was the sole source for these shells, located in Coachella.

Zokosky, Riconosciuto, Bob Frey and myself went to two U.S. Arsenals, one was Dover Arsenal in New Jersey, and I forgot the name of the second in Indiana. We sat there with the absolute top brass in the United States in military physics talking about particle beams.

Riconosciuto held his own all the way through. I didn't know a particle beam from a sunbeam. I gave Wackenhut a lot of help with Mike because he was sent to me. That's how we met Riconosciuto. The bottom line was Riconosciuto was nuts. He brought with him a young man named Victor. They said they were running teenage prostitutes to service L.A.cops. They brought some of their prostitutes with them. Mike said he owned that business. Of course, he had all this money from manufacturing and selling drugs. He had been busted, because to escape detection he had built an under-the-water laboratory to make drugs [1972]. This way the lab couldn't be detected by Seattle Police helicopters. The guy is the closest to, if you ever read comic books, [Lex] Luthor in Superman. He is one of the most evil people I ever met. My diagnosis was he suffered from a combination character defect and was a sociopath."


The bottom line was that Nichols, according to those who introduced him and the Tribe to Wackenhut, gave Wackenhut what it wanted -- an attempt by Nichols to treat Riconosciuto to make him more functional -- and Wackenhut gave Nichols what he wanted, a tribal joint venture business relationship. As events would prove it was not a good bargain for either. [Source: Return of the Buffalo, pp. 75-77]

If Dr. Nichols' account of his first meeting with Michael Riconosciuto is correct, the impact it had on what transpired in future years at the Cabazon Reservation is overwhelming. But is there any independent verification that Nichols' story is true?

Court records reveal that the Cabazons were locked in a fight for survival with local, county and state officials over the tribe's desire for legalized gambling on their reservation. Because of this fight the business committee recognized the need for funds to support the legal bills involved in the struggle as well as the day to day expenses necessary to keep the staff paid, the offices open and health insurance paid.

According to John Philip Nichols he had to expand his consulting business and it is said he used his personal funds to support the tribe during this time. However, it must be pointed out that Nichols' family company, Pro Plan received 50% of the monies derived from businesses he brought to the reservation. In Nichols' account of his first meeting with Riconosciuto he states that Michael brought $100,000 in "street money" to their meeting at the old Hercules Powder Company and Nichols states he knew that "Mike was manufacturing amphetamines, apparently unknown by his dad". The remainder of Nichols' statement about this first meeting implies that Nichols accepted the money and soon those involved were visiting U.S. Arsenals with "Magic Mike". And those welcoming them apparently had no qualms about interacting with Michael Riconosciuto whose history included associating with scientists at Stanford Research Institute where Edwin and Ursula Meese held court at the Foundation for the Future.

It cannot be denied that Michael Riconosciuto came to the Cabazon reservation armed with some very powerful connections. In his statement Nichols lists a few influential people such as Charles Emmert, Beryl Barber, W. Patrick Moriarty, Robert Meskunas, and Bob Frye. These men had extended connections that led to several presidents and many foreign leaders. Michael Riconosciuto came into his power through his family's generational friendships and business relationships.

But when did this first meeting take place? That is a much harder question to pin down. What is known is that in September of 1980 the tribe formed The Cabazon Security Corporation Inc. in anticipation of some future relationship with the Wackenhut Corporation of Coral Gables, Florida. On April 1, 1981 Wackenhut and Cabazon entered into a joint venture that would last until October 1, 1984.

A five-page document given to this reporter by the mother of Michael Riconosciuto's daughter is on letterhead for Emmert & Associates. It is entitled Weekend Outline and details meetings taking place from 1-24-1981 through 1-26-1981. Among those attending this weekend conference were Robert Meskunes associated with the Energy Group who would be discussing alcohol plants and Beryl and Herma Barber who would be discussing solar pumps and an airport industrial park. These are names referred to by John Philip Nichols. On page two was a reference to Hercules Research.

Hercules Research

(1) Michael Riconosciuto

METC
Methane Plant
Communications

(2) Marshall Riconosciuto

Scientific Village
Land Development
Port Facilities


Hercules Properties was a real estate development project built around the partnership of long time friends Marshall Riconosciuto and W. Patrick Moriarty who were also partners is the huge fireworks company called Pyrotronics.

On page 5 the summary of this conference states "The scope and potential of the people, projects and inventions could and will change the direction of the world".

The preceding information provides a time window for Nichols version of his first meeting with Michael Riconosciuto. But what does Michael Riconosciuto say about their initial encounter?

On October 18, 2005 Michael Riconosciuto hand wrote an 8 page letter addressed "To Whom It May Concern" and Anita Langley, who said she spoke for "Magic Mike," faxed this reporter a copy. On page 2 and 3 Riconosciuto tells his side of the story:

(2) There are a string of unsolved homicides that authorities readily acknowledge the deceased parties as having a person connection to me and the Wackenhut/Cabazon joint venture. San Francisco homicide investigator Eddie Erdelatz is quoted in a 12/30/91 San Francisco Chronicle article as describing these still open homicide cases"...It's the craziest mix of characters and circumstances that any of us has ever come across...". The article further states that police detectives describe the murders as the most bizarre they have ever seen, and that all leads...keep going back to the group of people involved with the Cabazon tribe.

It is not a matter of dispute that a string of homicides have been committed that are closely related. It is also agreed upon as fact by media and law enforcement that I personally knew the victims and that we all had some connection to the Cabazon tribe.

What is in dispute is my claim of high level U.S. Intelligence officials and government agencies with the Cabazon tribe's joint venture with Wackenhut Corporation. Ambrose Lane's book on the Cabazon Tribe entitled Return of the Buffalo unambiguously states I was the reason Wackenhut became involved with the Cabazon Tribe. Lane clearly "blames" me for the military and weapons related projects undertaken by the Wackenhut/Cabazon joint venture. At the same time Lane's book portrays me as a "psychiatric patient" of Dr. John P. Nichols. The "wacko genius" that Wackenhut wanted Dr. Nichols to try to salvage.


The proclaimed doctor/patient relationship of Dr. Nichols to me was used as an excuse to prevent homicide detectives in the Morasca murder [January 1982] from meaningfully questioning Dr. Nichols on the Morasca murder. The fact is that John P. Nichols has no professional credentials medical, psychiatric, or otherwise. The San Francisco District Attorney's office and the FBI allowed J. P. Nichols to get away with this ruse. The so-called credential J. P. Nichols used to establish his standing to claim doctor/patient confidentiality was a mail order SOCIAL WORKER'S CERTIFICATE. This would be laughable but for the fact that it was used to shield J.P. Nichols from the full force of an active homicide investigation.

There is some third party documentation that both supports and discredits the stories told by both Nichols and Riconosciuto. There is a strange document that Michael Riconosciuto refers to as "the service contract with JPN". Anita Langley emailed this reporter on March 9, 2005 and said "Michael asks if you can find a copy of the service contract with JPN, would you please sent it to him" at FCI Allenwood, Whitedeer, PA. This "service contract" suggests that John Philip Nichols and Michael Riconosciuto had entered into an agreement where JPN would assist Riconosciuto is somehow "altering" his behavior. Many references to this service contract occur in the years following that first meeting between the two men. As Riconosciuto states this bizarre document plays a central part in many homicides and the personal relationship Michael had with his wife Phyllis. Additionally JPN's future use of this contract bring into sharp focus the possibility of Nichol's use of mind control, not just of Riconosciuto and his wife, but of other Cabazon Indians who met strange deaths while Nichols controlled the reservation.

Riconosciuto is accurate when he infers that Nichols' social worker's certificate was issued by a paper mill in Manitoba, Canada The name of the school was Philathes Seminary and according to a letter signed by the Archbishop of the church "Nichols graduated from Philathes Seminary in July 1971 with the Degree of Doctor of Religious Education. His minor was pastoral counseling, his claim to a Ph.d is not correct."

The website "Welcome to Freemasonry.org" reveals that:

The Philalethes Society was founded on October 1, 1928, by a group of Masonic students. It was designed for Freemasons desirous of seeking and spreading Masonic light. In 1946, The Philalethes magazine was established to publish articles by and for its members. For many years it has been voted the best Masonic publication in the world. The sole purpose of this Research Society is to act as a clearinghouse for Masonic knowledge. It exchanges ideas, research searches problems confronting Freemasonry, and passes them along to the Masonic world.
[URL https://freemasonry.org/index.php?optio ... e&Itemid=1 internet ]

Each reader must make up his or her own mind about when and how the initial meeting between the mysterious "Dr." John Philip Nichols and "Magic Mike" Riconosciuto took place . The only thing one can be certain of is that this unique encounter forever changed the future of the Cabazon Nation.



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Re: Michael James Riconosciuto

Postby Anita » Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:20 pm

The woman is a total idiot. Apparently she can say anything she wants and present it as fact. The few things she says that are true hardly matter next to the lies.

In the puppetmaster article (ahem, trash piece) that is posted earlier on this thread, she threw out the name of an attorney that she said I was raising money to pay. The attorney she named is not the attorney I hired, I never told her the attorney's name, she just guessed because she knew this guy had helped a bit. (Big stunning news, family members hire an attorney). The attorney she did name was forced to leave his practice thanks to her posting his name, he was stalked and terrorized relentlessly. She tossed him out because he had given a bit of assistance during the timeframe of the McGowan homicides. Facts don't matter here, she's getting her satisfaction just harassing anyone connected to material witnesses. I don't know how Jeff can condone this sort of behavior.
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Re: Michael James Riconosciuto

Postby Anita » Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:22 pm

§ê¢rꆧ wrote:Image

Note: I'm only laughing at the Jeerleader's comments, not the topic per se, which seems to be a many-faceted topic indeed.


He has a certain charm about him.
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Re: Michael James Riconosciuto

Postby psynapz » Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:50 pm


(42 seconds in)

I'm all for openly processing and distilling all manner of vile and dangerous material here rather than banning it like evangelical ministers holding hands with their blithe flock around their ashy bonfires of satanic material about science and self-empowerment, but many of us -- not just desertfae and Anita -- have kids here, and don't necessarily post via anonymizing proxies, so there seems to be, at lest for the parties directly involved who are members, an apparent danger in feeding our attention and Internet traffic to what truly appears to be a vendetta in action which has coincided with untimely deaths, including the acquaintances and loved ones of members here.

I know Dreams End made several meaningful contributions to conspiracy research, and his voice is not welcome around these parts due to a disinfo campaign over a topic with a body count. I wish to re-move the previously-overruled motion to extend the same courtesy to the works of Virginia McCullough, at least until such time as a satisfactory explanation for a bizarre and subtly disruptive pattern of behavior including character-assassinating assertions which were evidently known by VM to be false at the time she made them.
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Re: Michael James Riconosciuto

Postby chiggerbit » Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:05 pm

Sure, let's have a book-burning while we're at it.

Anita, I may be "misremembering" but didn't you seek donations so that MR could get prostate surgery at Mayo several years ago, rather than at the facility chosen by the prison? Was he able to have it done at Mayo?
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Re: Michael James Riconosciuto

Postby psynapz » Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:08 pm

AD is right to continue to promote concern over anybody's connections to and opinions of TG and MR, but wrong to conflate this issue with the credibility of VM as if one rests opposite the fulcrum of another on a giant teeter-totter of dichotomous binary truth. If Anita is friends with MR, and desertfae has found value in any interaction with MR or TG, then those are fascinating issues ripe for explanation by either poster and should continue to be addressed to everyone's satisfaction (given the circumstances).

But regardless of this issue, I cannot see how the promotion and feeding of traffic (and thus conveyance of RI's credibility) to NMN can continue to be permitted until VM can provide, independent of how she feels about MR or TG themselves, a satisfactory explanation for her clearly disgusting defamatory behavior. If there are good reasons for it, I'm sure everyone would like to know them.

AD itself, on the other hand, kinda creeps me out now. AD, you do realize you're one of the few posters here who refuses to engage other posters as a human personality, and that this makes you seem a little... cardboard... don't you? At least make something up about your RI persona to share with people when they call you out. I'm not suggesting an ego-trip, or even a lingual trip like c2w? would fall over herself to perform, but maybe start giving a little bit more of what the rest of us give here to humanize an otherwise bland and anonymous topical discourse, you know? Put some color into it, man.

It would do wonders for your acceptance in the wake of this little PR disaster you've stepped in by effectively (and with apparent intention) defending the NMN position in this matter. I can understand being emotionally invested in a researcher's credibility due to your own investment of time and thought into their material, but where's the line in the sand?

I mean, do you see how she's been caught irrefutably and intentionally lying to defame a character? Who cares whether the character deserves defamation because the researcher doesn't like one of the character's sources, she fucking lied about her, dude and has offered not a slice of humble pie after being called out here. How do you, AD, human being of planet Earth and raging antifascist RIer, feel about that?

And please spare us the vague bibliographic references to having already answered this elsewhere. Pretend you haven't and that I'm new here and tell me... how do you feel about it?
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Re: Michael James Riconosciuto

Postby chiggerbit » Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:19 pm

..I mean, do you see how she's been caught irrefutably and intentionally lying to defame a character? Who cares whether the character deserves defamation because the researcher doesn't like one of the character's sources, she fucking lied about her, dude and has offered not a slice of humble pie after being called out here....


I'll admit that I don't follow all threads with total attention, but I have followed just enough to know that what's been going down has happened on multiple threads, several of which have had dozens of pages, not counting that part of it which has gone down at NMN and at Rachel's blog, as well as at some ARG forum, I think (not sure on that one, though). In other words, it's pretty complex. Could someone summarize the lies for me? I know I'm being lazy, but it would help a great deal.
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Re: Michael James Riconosciuto

Postby American Dream » Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:36 pm

Psynapz, I don't think you're understanding my position completely.

I'm not seeing this as an essentially personal or dualistic question at all.

I do think Rachel's intentions are honorable in seeking justice around the murder of her Dad. I also happen to think Virginia's intentions are honorable in wanting to get to the head of the Octopus. However, that's just me- this is honestly how I see things.

The conflict seems to be bigger than just Rachel and Virginia. As we are seeing here, it somehow connects to some history with Anita and Michael also. Without a doubt there are others involved, as well.

So, what I am saying is that if we can really lay the story out here, from multiple perspectives, then each of us should be better able to figure out what is actually going on.

I don't personally frame things in terms of figuring out which side is "good" or which side is "bad". For that matter, I don't even see it as a question of individual people being either all "good" or all "bad".

I do think that something very important is unfolding before our eyes, and it's not completely clear yet what it all means.

Psynapz, if you feel that you have a grasp of the story- where the conflict originated, how it developed etc., feel free to lay it out as you see it.
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