JackRiddler wrote:Alice: "I asked for ONE quote FROM ME"
and besides several quotes from you, I provided links to hundreds of quotes from you, in the form of a search documenting the very long history of our exchanges, which I don't plan on repeating here.
Classic. You lie: you couldn't come up with ONE quote of mine that justified your calumnies, but you "linked to hundreds" and sent people on a wild goose chase.
JackRiddler wrote:We've both done that work, and I'm not playing the "start at zero" game, so that each time you post you get to pretend there isn't a history and you're just an innocent in the woods.
This isn't about you and "our history". But if it were: never, not once have you ever effectively disproved any argument I've made, or exposed any errors of fact or logic. What you've done instead is resorted to insinuations and defamation, and setting up straw men with your fabrications about what I've said or what I
really think, deep down inside. Well, other than that Danse essay that you kept posting over and over until I finally lost patience and ripped it to shreds. The last thing I would ever claim to be is an "innocent in the woods", which is why your tricks are so transparent to me, and so easily countered.
You don't make up facts, though you rely on some faulty ones (I think here of 9/11 especially).
'Faulty' facts? How stalinesque. But it's progress, I think. You now admit that I "don't make up facts", though just in the previous page of this very thread, you accused me of "always" doing so:
Also, your apparent need never to stop at condemning the actual crimes of Israel and the complicity of its supporters, but always (as though these weren't bad enough) to invent additional crimes of the "Zionists"...
I believe an apology is in order. Are you grown-up enough to offer me one? Don't worry, I'm not holding my breath.
You cherrypick and focus exclusively on the same ones over and over, to create an image of exclusively "Zionist" perfidy in a world where everything else, including the pursuit of "real" "American interests," would have been just fine without them. It's not that "Zionists" don't conspire, steal and lie, it's that in your telling, only "Zionists" ever conspire and steal and lie. Anyone non-"Zionist" who helps them is never in it for themselves or their own agenda, but is always presented as the dupe of "Zionists," the victim of their blackmail, or their robot. Your apologetics for non-"Zionists" have even encompassed the Bushes and a number of other non-"Zionist" villains who have contributed to the destruction of my country, the countries it has invaded, and much of the world.
That's pure nonsense. The only thing I "cherrypick" is the topics I choose to comment on, which happen to be topics where I can provide either a different perspective or additional information that may shed new light. Unlike you, I don't (and would never try to) stop anybody else from contributing their own perspective or information that they consider relevant to a deeper understanding. In the case of zionism, I perceive that an artificially narrow tunnel vision has been imposed on most analyses, especially on the so-called Left, which focuses on the zionist state itself as though it were an independent entity, which it is not and never has been, rather than on the elaborate transnational system that created and sustains it.
It
is important to know the history and the current reality of zionist theft, ethnic cleansing and apartheid in Palestine, if only because that is where the mask and the gloves come off and zionism stands exposed, in theory and in practise. That's important, to understand what we're actually dealing with, rather than the false image propagated by its agents.
However, unless we uncover and understand the specific process by which this highly-dependent, highly artificial, intrinsically unsustainable, tiny colonial state has become a super-militarized regional and even global power immune to international law, capable of intimidating and imposing its will on nations that dwarf it in terms of population, resources, legitimacy and development, nothing can ever change and it can continue to rampage and pillage with impunity. The zionists know this very well, and that is the basis for the zionist "Left" distinction between "permissible criticism of Israeli policies" and the red lines beyond which the alarms shriek and the dogs are unleashed against the messenger.
As this thread demonstrates, it's not racism or "hate" against Jewish people that provokes the hysteria, it's information, especially credible, well-documented and detailed information about the specific components of the network outside its borders that created this colonial project, recruited colonists to populate and kill for it, channeled arms and money to it, that silences and punishes dissidents and indoctrinates and embeds succeeding generations of agents trained to subvert their own nations' interests to serve the hegemonic ambitions of this foreign state. Any narrative, no matter how coherent and factually-based, that "connects the dots", that places the discrete bits of information in context so that they can be seen as what they are -- very well integrated parts of a whole -- raises the level of hysteria to full-blown panic.
The reason why becomes evident when we note that one key "talking point" shared by a very diverse range of individuals (who also happen to share a pathological delusion that "anti-semitism" is a key motivator of human and even state behaviours) is that the succession of imperial powers that have served the evolution of this tiny colonial project into a global player in its own right, have done so not because of the well-documented history of infiltration, espionage, blackmail, bribery, electoral or media pressures or other tactics used against targeted officials by a wealthy, tightly-knit and many-faceted network of zionist agents, but that on the contrary, because it served their own strategic imperial purposes. Baseless accusations of 'anti-semitism' and equally baseless assumptions that zionism is a mere tool of vaguely-defined Western "elites" are both based on irrational premises that don't bear thoughtful scrutiny, but they don't need to, as they rely on triggering conditioned emotional responses to elicit the desired reaction.
For example, that talking point: Israel is a "cat's-paw", it's a "strategic asset" that is subservient to the imperial ambitions of Western "elites", rather than the other way around. This raises a couple of questions:
1) If the zionists are such subservient, useful tools, what explains the fact that each of the zionists' succeeding patrons (the British, the Russians, the French and the Americans), having served their purpose at each crucial milestone in Israel's spectacular evolution over the past 60 years, appear to have lost far more than what, if anything, they gained from the relationship? In contrast, each time the zionists discarded one imperial patron and replaced it with fresh one, they emerged stronger, enriched with greater resources to impose their will and advance their ambitious plan.
2) As I live in Egypt, which actually is a "cat's-paw" and "strategic asset" for American imperial interests, I have a good basis for comparison with the relationship between America and Israel, which couldn't be more different. For example, America has used its military and economic "aid" to maintain and manipulate a deeply corrupted dictatorship which is imposed on the Egyptian people by force of arms and the draconian laws of a so-called 'State of Emergency' that have been in place for 29 consecutive years. Since the death of Gamal Abdelnasser, and his replacement by a puppet president on the payroll of the CIA, the IMF, World Bank and USAID have systematically decimated Egypt's industrial and agricultural bases, destroyed Egypt's public education system which was by far the best in the region, dismantled public health care and other social services, and led Egypt to sell our limited strategic gas reserves to Israel for a fraction of their price on the open market, among other catastrophic 'deals'. Egypt's debt has spiraled out of control, even as most of the population sinks deeper and deeper into poverty and foreign "investors" siphon billions of dollars abroad. Although Egypt is a major buyer of American weapons, in 30 years these have only been used by the police or military to crack down on Egyptian citizens, or to participate in the bombing of Iraq, both of which serve the interests of Egypt's enemies, rather than any interests of Egypt. When our 81-year old president finally kicks the bucket, no doubt his successor will have been pre-selected on the basis of his compliance with Israeli wishes, just as he was. An overview of America's and other imperial "strategic assets" and "cat's-paws" will quickly and conclusively show that this pattern is far from unique but is in fact the norm.
That's why I find it bitterly funny when zionist-lites insist that Israel is a "strategic asset" for
America's imperial interests. It doesn't look like any client state I've ever seen, with its leaders' propensity to loudly boast about their ability to impose their will on their supposed boss, a boast that is
far from empty, as we have repeatedly seen; with the
carte-blanche to spy and
infiltrate its agents into the highest levels of the Pentagon, to
blackmail and threaten and intimidate even US presidents, to
monitor all communications in the United States and to manipulate elections in the US, to elect leaders that openly defy America's orders, with American money used to build subsidized housing and subsidized health care and subsidized public education, American technology stolen to build up a high-tech industrial base and American weapons used to steal land and property and water, and to kill and dispossess the rightful owners in order to expand the lebensraum of the Chosen People, even as American citizens are bled dry by the same government that is so lavish in its gifts to the so-called "cat's-paw". The evidence shows that it is America, not Israel, that is acting as the "cat's-paw" and puppet regime in this bizarre "special" relationship.
As I said in the OP:
AIPAC is far more than a "lobbying group" -- in tandem with other Mossad fronts, it's also a highly subversive agency for the recruitment of 'moles' and other 'assets' whom, through campaign financing and media manipulation, they insert deep into America's inner circles of power, from where they ensure that, behind the illusion of democracy, the illusion of diversity and the illusion of freedom, the United States is ruled by individuals pre-screened by the agents of a foreign state to ensure that the United States continues to do only what the zionists allow it to do.
In closing, I would like to ask people to take a little walk with me through memory lane. Much as some would like to keep knowledge contained in the link below separate from other things we know, like the information in the OP, they are not at all separate, they are in fact but two gears in one very big, well-integrated machine:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xacj5_ ... -ring_news"If you're not careful the newspapers will have you hating the oppressed and loving the people doing the oppressing." - Malcolm X
