TOKYO | Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:17pm EST (Reuters) - A quake-hit Japanese nuclear plant reeling from an explosion at one of its reactors has also lost its emergency cooling system at another reactor, Japan's nuclear power safety agency said on Sunday.
The emergency cooling system is no longer functioning at the No.3 reactor at Tokyo Electric Power Co's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power facility, requiring the facility to urgently secure a means to supply water to the reactor, an official of the Japan Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency told a news conference.
On Saturday, an explosion blew off the roof and upper walls of the building housing the facility's No. 1 reactor, stirring alarm over a possible major radiation release, although the government later said the explosion had not affected the reactor's core vessel and that only a small amount of radiation had been released.
The nuclear safety agency official said there was a possibility that at least nine individuals had been exposed to radiation, according to information gathered from municipal governments and other sources.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started. They could still get him out of office. But instead, they want mass death. Don’t forget that.
There's nothing in that article about shockwaves from a melting icecap triggering an earthquake. They do call shockwaves from melting icecaps "glacial ice quakes" though. I guess the wonderful journalist meant shockwaves from melting icecaps are kinda like earthquakes.
Anyway, back to a reality that just may be much worse than the horrors already witnessed,
Hard to get a clear picture of the risk levels atm. Government saying things under control whilst evacuating an increasing area:
"6:56am AFP says the operator of the Fukushima nuclear power plant, where a second reactor system is overheating, says there is a risk of a second explosion. We'll keep you updated right here.
6:37am Yesterday, we reported that three people had tested positive for elevated radiation levels. That number has now jumped to 160, says a Japanese nuclear safety official.
6:17am First it was 6,000 - then 45,000... Now about 140,000 people have been told to evacuate areas near the two Fukushima nuclear power plants following Friday's earthquake, said the UN atomic watchdog."
You know I stay out of it almost entirely when people want to do astrology, Planet X, etc., long as they're not mixing it in with 9/11 or class war or the real ecological disaster we are daily creating, but
a) we're all helplessly witnessing the possibility of an unparalleled preventable techno-disaster with millions of victims, which I certainly hope is not going to happen and
b) this one thing here is just too much:
Bruce Dazzling wrote:She's also aware of the fact that the current comet is called ELEnin.
She's also most likely aware of the fact that the media has been reporting that Betelgeuse may go super nova soon, conveniently giving an explanation for the possibility that people may start seeing two suns very soon.
I must have missed the part where they also prepared the cover story to explain why the Betelgeuse supernova (640 l.y. away), when it happens, will no longer be in Orion but start moving daily relative to the other fixed stars, as though it were a planet, a comet, or a brown dwarf on an irregular orbit approaching the inner Solar System just in time to give us the apocalypse predicted by Maya the Kreskin on etc. etc.
Please don't be insulted and please don't start a flamewar. Use this moment as an opportunity to learn some of the basics of astronomy, the most amazing and rewarding of all sciences, if you ask me.
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I don't do flame wars, Jack.
I'm also not an astronomer, astrologer, or a Kreskin follower, but I do know that lots of people have been posting two-sun videos on Youtube over the past few weeks. A few have even posted them here at RI, and IF (and I said IF in my original post as well) there's something to the Planet X thing (which I'm NOT necessarily advocating) then the Betelgeuse story could serve as a cover for the majority of the population who wouldn't think about it from an expert's point of view. They'd likely only say to themselves "oh, well that second light that's peaking out from behind the sun has a logical, mainstream media sanctioned explanation," and then go on about their lives of consuming products and whatnot.
The concept of the "super moon" is also getting a lot of mainstream traction, again, just in time to serve as a cover story.
I'm not here to spread doom and gloom, but I'm also not going to discount possible explanations for why the world is turning upside down right on cue for the path of that comet, which is right on cue for the original 2012 date, which has also been reported to be 2011.
Or as I said in another thread, would Spock lie to you?
The girl in that video could be wrong about some of it, or all of it, or none of it.
My point is that nobody seems to know, and as I said in the original post, if they did, they certainly wouldn't be telling us about it.
And yes, we ARE creating an ecological disaster daily. You don't have to convince me of that, but our man-made ecological disaster and the idea of a long period brown dwarf disguised as a comet are not mutually exclusive.
That's all I'm saying.
Well, that and I don't trust anyone about anything any more, regardless of whether they're some woman on Youtube, or a respectable fancy scientist in a press release.
I don't know what's causing all of this mayhem, and I'm really not trying to be insulting here, but neither do you.
Hoping for the best,
B.D.
"Arrogance is experiential and environmental in cause. Human experience can make and unmake arrogance. Ours is about to get unmade."
You know I stay out of it almost entirely when people want to do astrology, Planet X, etc., long as they're not mixing it in with 9/11 or class war or the real ecological disaster we are daily creating, but
a) we're all helplessly witnessing the possibility of an unparalleled preventable techno-disaster with millions of victims, which I certainly hope is not going to happen and
b) this one thing here is just too much:
Bruce Dazzling wrote:She's also aware of the fact that the current comet is called ELEnin.
She's also most likely aware of the fact that the media has been reporting that Betelgeuse may go super nova soon, conveniently giving an explanation for the possibility that people may start seeing two suns very soon.
I must have missed the part where they also prepared the cover story to explain why the Betelgeuse supernova (640 l.y. away), when it happens, will no longer be in Orion but start moving daily relative to the other fixed stars, as though it were a planet, a comet, or a brown dwarf on an irregular orbit approaching the inner Solar System just in time to give us the apocalypse predicted by Maya the Kreskin on etc. etc.
Please don't be insulted and please don't start a flamewar. Use this moment as an opportunity to learn some of the basics of astronomy, the most amazing and rewarding of all sciences, if you ask me.
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I don't do flame wars, Jack.
I'm also not an astronomer, astrologer, or a Kreskin follower, but I do know that lots of people have been posting two-sun videos on Youtube over the past few weeks. A few have even posted them here at RI, and IF (and I said IF in my original post as well) there's something to the Planet X thing (which I'm NOT necessarily advocating) then the Betelgeuse story could serve as a cover for the majority of the population who wouldn't think about it from an expert's point of view. They'd likely only say to themselves "oh, well that second light that's peaking out from behind the sun has a logical, mainstream media sanctioned explanation," and then go on about their lives of consuming products and whatnot.
The concept of the "super moon" is also getting a lot of mainstream traction, again, just in time to serve as a cover story.
I'm not here to spread doom and gloom, but I'm also not going to discount possible explanations for why the world is turning upside down right on cue for the path of that comet, which is right on cue for the original 2012 date, which has also been reported to be 2011.
Or as I said in another thread, would Spock lie to you?
The girl in that video could be wrong about some of it, or all of it, or none of it.
My point is that nobody seems to know, and as I said in the original post, if they did, they certainly wouldn't be telling us about it.
And yes, we ARE creating an ecological disaster daily. You don't have to convince me of that, but our man-made ecological disaster and the idea of a long period brown dwarf disguised as a comet are not mutually exclusive.
That's all I'm saying.
Well, that and I don't trust anyone about anything any more, regardless of whether they're some woman on Youtube, or a respectable fancy scientist in a press release.
I don't know what's causing all of this mayhem, and I'm really not trying to be insulting here, but neither do you.
Hoping for the best,
B.D.
They could have paved the way with the last decade's memes of some Mars approaches appearing as large as the Moon. People bought that shit left and right.
Why Mars Will NOT Appear As Large As The Full Moon
Yes, the “great Mars hoax” email is back. Since 2003, the email seems to make rounds at least once a year, claiming Mars will appear as large as the full moon in late August.
Sorry to say, that’s not going to happen. Here’s why you got the email, and what you will really see this month…
The email got started in 2003. In August of that year, Mars came within 56 million km of Earth, the closest approach in 60,000 years. It was an impressive event. But even then, when the planet was a breathtaking magnitude -2.9, Mars measured about 25 arc-seconds across. That’s about 75x smaller than the full moon.
As it turns out, the original email about the close approach of Mars correctly mentioned this fact. It said:
“The encounter will culminate on August 27th when Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles (55,763,108 km) of Earth and will be (next to the moon) the brightest object in the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9 and will appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest 75-power magnification Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye.”
This was true… in a telescope at 75x, Mars would subtend an angle of about 1/2 degree, the same as the full moon.
I suspect when the email was forwarded, eventually the words “At a modest 75-power magnification…” were left out. That’s when the confusion began. And on some versions of the email, the year in which the event took place was left out, which is why the email seems to get most traffic just before August.
To be fair, I think the email going around today isn’t really a hoax, but a misunderstanding. But if it appears in your inbox, remember, its claims are completely bogus, although they was founded in fact back in 2003.
Right now, Mars is about 190 million kilometers away and appears 4x smaller than it was in August 2003. Though it’s a puny 7 arc-seconds across, the planet puts on a nice show in the western sky after sunset for naked-eye observers. You can see it between Leo and Virgo just after the sun goes down. Here’s an image of what you’ll see this week…
Mars, Venus, and Saturn in the western evening sky in early August 2010. The planets will appear slightly higher above the horizon in the southern hemisphere (click to enlarge).
Because Mars is so far away, you won’t see much surface detail, even in a powerful telescope. At a magnification of 260x, it will appear as large as the full moon appears to the unaided eye. But you won’t see much.
The best planet for viewing this month is Jupiter, visible in the southeast sky after 11 p.m. local time. It’s the brightest object in that part of the sky (except for the moon).
What was the origination of these stupid emails anyhow? Who came up with such a silly seeming hoax at a date and place where it would take such hold in global (at least western/industrialized) psyche? I had to explain to all kinds of people this was "impossible" way back when. Perhaps the truth of the matter is something that people are far less likely to accept and understand. Which makes me a candidate for one of them to tell me that my fears are "impossible". Everything has the ability to go "meta" anymore.
There is no me. There is no you. There is all. There is no you. There is no me. And that is all. A profound acceptance of an enormous pageantry. A haunting certainty that the unifying principle of this universe is love. -- Propagandhi
BD, it's fine. I'm going to restrict further involvement here to this one point about Betelgeuse, as the most painful item in the constellation of claims and suppositions you present, and as one that may help illustrate fallacy so general that you take a more skeptical approach to these matters...
Bruce Dazzling wrote:then the Betelgeuse story could serve as a cover for the majority of the population who wouldn't think about it from an expert's point of view. They'd likely only say to themselves "oh, well that second light that's peaking out from behind the sun has a logical, mainstream media sanctioned explanation," and then go on about their lives of consuming products and whatnot.
Do you understand that even in the United States, at least 15,000,000 people (my actual minimum guess: 5 percent) know both what a supernova would look like and why Betelgeuse doesn't move in the sky? Also, that you don't see it in the summer in the Northern Hemisphere except at 4 am? Many in this group are likely to have access to various levers of communication, and most of them won't be in on this plot to cast Planet/Star X as Betelgeuse.
What are you imagining? Will the PTB exterminate astronomers? Track down all telescopes, kill their owners? Send out selective forgetting rays that cause everyone who knows the most elementary things about the sky to forget them? The Power are you ascribing to the Powers that Be is not just otherworldly, I think it would be beyond the reach of extraterrestrials. It would be Jehovah at Work, at the very least.
You could start by acknowledging the idea that a brown dwarf's approach could be sold as Betelgeuse is an erroneous speculation (i.e., one that definitely could never happen) and an absurd one, magical. Then you could assess the rest of your ideas on this matter in light of that.
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We meet at the borders of our being, we dream something of each others reality. - Harvey of R.I.
To Justice my maker from on high did incline: I am by virtue of its might divine, The highest Wisdom and the first Love.
BD, it's fine. I'm going to restrict further involvement here to this one point about Betelgeuse, as the most painful item in the constellation of claims and suppositions you present, and as one that may help illustrate fallacy so general that you take a more skeptical approach to these matters...
NBC News just now: An entire town of 9,500 is basically missing. Gone.
There is no me. There is no you. There is all. There is no you. There is no me. And that is all. A profound acceptance of an enormous pageantry. A haunting certainty that the unifying principle of this universe is love. -- Propagandhi
[img contained tweets linking Japan earthquake to climate change]
Of course you're certain there is no link, no room for doubt or reflection, because you're an expert in all the related fields of geology, glaciology, geomorphology, plate tectonics, climate, ...
So of course you've read
Potential for a hazardous geospheric response to projected future climate changes in proceedings of UK Royal Society Periods of exceptional climate change in Earth history are associated with a dynamic response from the geosphere, involving enhanced levels of potentially hazardous geological and geomorphological activity. The response is expressed through the adjustment, modulation or triggering of a broad range of surface and crustal phenomena, including volcanic and seismic activity, submarine and subaerial landslides, tsunamis and landslide ‘splash’ waves, glacial outburst and rock-dam failure floods, debris flows and gas-hydrate destabilization. In relation to anthropogenic climate change, modelling studies and projection of current trends point towards increased risk in relation to a spectrum of geological and geomorphological hazards in a warmer world, while observations suggest that the ongoing rise in global average temperatures may already be eliciting a hazardous response from the geosphere. Here, the potential influences of anthropogenic warming are reviewed in relation to an array of geological and geomorphological hazards across a range of environmental settings. A programme of focused research is advocated in order to: (i) understand better those mechanisms by which contemporary climate change may drive hazardous geological and geomorphological activity; (ii) delineate those parts of the world that are most susceptible; and (iii) provide a more robust appreciation of potential impacts for society and infrastructure.
And of course you attended
The UCL Johnston-Lavis Colloquium 2009: Climate Forcing of Geological and Geomorphological Hazards (15-17th Sept. 2009) The Third Johnston-Lavis Colloquium, on the theme of Climate Forcing of Geological and Geomorphological Hazards, addressed relationships between past and contemporary climate change and the triggering of hazardous geological and geomorphological phenomena. The meeting was supported by the UK Met Office, the British Geological Survey, the British Antarctic Survey and UCL and Oxford universities. ..
Tell me tazmic, what evidence did you use to disregard the research to date on the links between climate change and seismic activity?
"Wintler2, you are a disgusting example of a human being, the worst kind in existence on God's Earth. This is not just my personal judgement.." BenD
Research question: are all god botherers authoritarians?
First Posted: 03/12/11 09:38 PM Updated: 03/12/11 09:38 PM
NEW YORK -- The massive 8.9-magnitude earthquake that shook Japan and triggered a powerful tsunami on Friday has had a profound effect on both the surrounding terrain and the planet as a whole.
Dr. Daniel McNamara, a seismologist with the U.S. Geological Survey, told The Huffington Post that the disaster left a gigantic rupture in the sea floor, 217-miles long and 50 miles wide. It also shifted Japan's coast by eight feet in some parts, though McNamara was quick to explain much of the coast likely didn't move as far.
McNamara found the way in which the quake actually sunk the elevation of the country's terrain to be more troublesome than coastal shifting. "You see cities still underwater; the reason is subsidence," he said. "The land actually dropped, so when the tsunami came in, it's just staying."
In the aftermath of the largest earthquake in Japan's history, scientists have scrambled to gather concrete data to quantify such a powerful tremor's effect on the Earth. But the numbers don't always add up. For example, McNamara pointed out that reports claiming the sea floor's rift measured 93 miles wide are incorrect.
Additionally, conflicting reports over whether and how far the enormous tremor shifted the Earth's axis have been circulating.
According to CNN, the earthquake moved the planet's axis approximately 4 inches, though other sources, like The Vancouver Sun and The Montreal Gazette, report the estimate even higher -- around 10 inches.
"I don't know about that. That sounds extreme," McNamara said, claiming the smaller estimate was likely more accurate. "There are all kinds of different numbers floating around," he added.
Conflicting figures aside, the shift in the Earth's axis wouldn't be noticeable. Last year's 8.8-magnitude earthquake in Chile, which also reportedly moved the planet's axis slightly, only resulted in shortening the day by 1.26 microseconds. (A microsecond is one-millionth of a second.)
As for any claims that the earthquake somehow relates to climate change, McNamara didn't hesitate to dismiss that connection. He explained that while evidence shows melting glaciers can cause small tremors directly underneath as their weight on the Earth's crust reduces, what happened in Japan "is not connected in any way to that process."
In a prior interview with The Huffington Post, McNamara said Japan's 8.9 quake was "not a surprise" due to how active the region is, but maintained that scientists "can't predict earthquakes."
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started. They could still get him out of office. But instead, they want mass death. Don’t forget that.
I see sockpuppets... the fake radiation map has tweets mentioning Al Gore as well. (J Riddler entry in Meltdown thread.) Someone's trying to paint a picture of librul Chicken Littles, I think.
http://www.blogotariat.com/node/211958
Millions Of Americans Will Not Be Killed By Nuclear Fallout In Two Weeks...
wintler2 wrote:Of course you're certain there is no link, no room for doubt or reflection, because you're an expert in all the related fields of geology, glaciology, geomorphology, plate tectonics, climate, ...
Why, of course wintler. How else could anyone possibly be in a position to recognise the stupidity of those tweets?
wintler2 wrote:Tell me tazmic, what evidence did you use to disregard the research to date on the links between climate change and seismic activity?
What evidence did you use to come to this conclusion? Or did you perhaps, much like the tweeters, simply fit me into your favourite model?
thanks, Riddler
now, can we get back to topic?
