The 9/11 Anti - propaganda onslaught thread.

[munkiex]

why are you equating controlled demolition with holograms?

are you serious, or just trying some extremely lame-ass iinsulting technique? that kind of shit won't fly here.

Okay--more reasoned answer this time.

I should have been more clear in my comment. I don't think CD and holograms are equally valid. My point was merely that chasing down these theories to show that there was insider knowledge of or participation in the attack is ignoring that we already have that evidence through the air defense issue.

Of course, there is actually evidence for CD--haven't seen any plausible evidence for the holograms. I think Dr Jones has done some great work on the CD issue and have produced a lot of compelling evidence if you are already open to the idea that CD is possible. I'm not seeing it convince many "non-believers," but I'm not really sure what else could be produced regarding evidence to convince those people.

On the other hand, I think if more people heard about the air defense issues they would be more likely to start questioning the officially-sanctioned 9/11 theory. The issue of the drills/exercises, the radar confusion due to the false blips, the moving around of fighter squadrons due to the drills/exercises, how the interceptors were deployed, what happened to the Pentagon, etc, these are areas that might be more fruitful. Of course, this is my pet theory and I'm sure we all feel that way about whatever our pet theory is.

It goes without saying that the more evidence we can come up with, the better. So if we can somehow prove CD without a doubt plus whatever else, you obviously would have a stronger case that there was insider knowledge/participation. However, if all we are looking for is any evidence that there was insider knowledge/participation, I think we have it with the air defense issue--both insider knowledge AND participation.

Hope that clears up what I was trying to say with my earlier post.

[eyeno]

8bitagent wrote:

Great link Eyeno. Though I dont believe "Masons" were behind or involved in 9/11. I think Masons simply draw from the same occult mystery knowledge both the white, grey and black lodges draw from and many august bodies of arcane study. Breivik was a proud Muslim, but that may have fit in with his Templar fantasy more than some P2 2.0 network.

I somewhat agree and that is why I somewhat attempted to defend Masonry in my initial post. Masonry, at its root, has a lot to offer the low level common Mason. There are a TON OF GOOD MASONS doing a lot of good work in the lower levels. Masonry is not evil per se.

I know several people that are Masons and they are great people.

Its the upper levels that got screwed up. The lower levels cannot be held accountable for that. Just the way it is...

[Nordic]

yes, munkiex, and thank you for clearing that up.

we all have our opinions as to which of the various groups of evidence are the most compelling. i think watching building 7 fall down should get the most minds to crack open, but that's probably because of the impact it had on me. i had forgotten all about it, and that alone was enough to really get my attention. and i find most people i talk to, even those who are relatively well-informed, have no memory of building 7 either. to me that's extraordinrily compelling but again that is my opinion. plenty of the evidence is just as compelling including your favorite.

by the way, jack, your writing in this thread is particularly good, and i find your thoughts on all this dovetailing with mine. good stuff.

[eyeno]

Thanx for understanding. I know an 80 year old Mason (a judge) that has absolutely no idea what is going on above his head. He is a great guy. Father of a girl I sorta date. He has no idea what is happening above his head in the upper ranks. Country boy that would give you the skin off his back. But yet HE IS A MASON.

That don't make him evil. He is the most gentle, giving, kind man I ever saw. The lower level masons are not in on this shit. They just are not. I have seen proof of this over and over.

Its AT THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID where the problem is. Promise ya that....These lower dudes (farmers) ain't got a clue...


But I'm also the guy pointing out alllll these clues too right? All these numerical clues, etc....I just want to make sure they get

DIRECTED >>> to the right people.

And I can promise you, that your neighborhood Mason ain't the guy to point the finger at.

Its the masons ^^^ wayyyy ABOVE that need the needling from us. But what can we do? Ya know?

[eyeno]

Great link Eyeno. Though I dont believe "Masons" were behind or involved in 9/11. I think Masons simply draw from the same occult mystery knowledge both the white, grey and black lodges draw from and many august bodies of arcane study. Breivik was a proud Muslim, but that may have fit in with his Templar fantasy more than some P2 2.0 network.

My first ever post on here was about 9/11 being(in my view) ultimately a massive occult ritual, as you noted to bring trauma and to transform the aeon. To shock the soul and reverberate across time.

What were the two main targets?
Two Pillars and a Pentagon. About as ancient and esoteric as it gets.

The north is struck first, which is symbolic. Male(North Tower antenna), South Tower...male female duality.

Flight 11 strikes into the 11 shaped 110 story North Tower. Though this aspect of the live snuff film wasnt seen on tv, the start of the ritual needed only to have been seen by a few. Phallic shaped planes ramming into buildings impresses on the mind, especially when(175) is seen ramming in and out endlessly on a television news cycle loop.

We also did not see Flight 77 smash into the 77 foot Pentagon. A pentagon is the geometric middle of a Pentagram of course. But the damage is clear.

11 93 77 175...all deeply resonating numbers Crowley obsessed about. He even named his secret group A.:A.:93! American Airlines 93?
Now Im not saying followers of Crowley were involved in 9/11. Im saying Crowley could have tapped into the "whatever" that may have had influence or prudence over the attacks

Many of the key tarot cards depict what we saw on 9/11. The falling man, two towers and pillars, etc.





Flight 93 exists as both a phantom blip AND a real hijacked plane, but the phantom blip keeps heading toward its intended DC target...

The omphalos.

And what about in astrology terms? What was on 9/11/2001?



VS.



Now is this all stuff al Qaeda, or Dick Cheney, or the Mossad is into?

You put a lot of time into this post. Thank you for doing so.

[barracuda]

But I'm also the guy pointing out alllll these clues too right? All these numerical clues, etc....I just want to make sure they get

DIRECTED >>> to the right people.

By now, it would be pretty difficult to miss your point.

[Wombaticus Rex]

^^^.....was that really necessary #daug ? Like, really?

[eyeno]

But I'm also the guy pointing out alllll these clues too right? All these numerical clues, etc....I just want to make sure they get

DIRECTED >>> to the right people.

By now, it would be pretty difficult to miss your point.

This has gone comical. Remind me of my point ok?

I like esoteric teachings. If some of them cross your boundry and burn your britches i'm sorry. all I can say

[barracuda]

^^^.....was that really necessary #daug ? Like, really?

Whaddaya want, that we should shilly-shally around talking in code all night? Zen Gardner's schtick is the International Judeo Masonic conspiracy line of bull. Eyeno likes it. I happen to think it's a bunch of #evilcrap.

Point your li'l hashtag at him, not me.

[eyeno]

^^^.....was that really necessary #daug ? Like, really?

No shit. This is like watching a bottle rocket flare off into its final burst and blow itself up. This is fuckin weird...

but hey thanx for the back up!!!

[norton ash]

Ooooh, I hates compasses, the spiky ones.

You can draw a perfect circle, but remember, the mental case next to you in math class has a deadly weapon in their hand.

[Wombaticus Rex]

At no point have you been "talking in code" -- also, I'm referring to the image you brought into this thread. Don't see how that was necessary or makes this forum look any better. Not following your logic here.

[eyeno]

^^^.....was that really necessary #daug ? Like, really?

Whaddaya want, that we should shilly-shally around talking in code all night? Zen Gardner's schtick is the International Judeo Masonic conspiracy line of bull. Eyeno likes it. I happen to think it's a bunch of #evilcrap.

Point your li'l hashtag at him, not me.

Well remind me to fuckin study it because i'm not as smart as you ok? I've never heard of this guy in my whole freakin life until today. Jesus fuckin christ......what the hell? ya know?

[norton ash]

Eyeno, just be mindful of your sources. You claimed a similar innocence about Larouche.

I have no doubt that bad magick is being worked, but beware the 'it's THEM!' people. That's what I think Barracuda's getting at.

[barracuda]

At no point have you been "talking in code" -- also, I'm referring to the image you brought into this thread. Don't see how that was necessary or makes this forum look any better. Not following your logic here.

Sorry, not following yours either. The image is part of the historical source of Gardner's polemic, and would fit in perfectly in the article posted upthread.

I've never heard of this guy in my whole freakin life until today.

I doubt that.