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Postby wetland » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:51 am

Say it with me, kids: WE ARE COLUMBINE!


The Appalling Frequency of the Shooting Spree

By Nate Hopper and Jen Ortiz

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/07/ap ... spree.html


Not counting drive-bys, gang ambushes, and ­domestic homicides (and countless cases in which gunfire at parks, bars, and shopping malls pierced flesh but did not take lives), there were more than 125 fatal mass shootings in the United States during the years between the Columbine killings and the massacre at the Century 16 theater in Aurora, Colorado. Here, drawn from online archives and a list maintained by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a random inventory of horror.

4/20/99
Columbine High School, Littleton, Colo. 15 killed, 24 injured.

7/29/99
Investment offices, Atlanta, Ga. 13 killed, 12 injured.

9/15/99
Church, Fort Worth, Tex. 8 killed, 7 injured.

11/2/99
Office building, Honolulu. 7 killed.

12/30/99
Hotel, Tampa, Fla. 5 killed, 3 injured.

5/24/00
Fast-food restaurant, Queens. 5 killed, 2 injured.

12/26/00
Technology company, Wakefield, Mass. 7 killed.

3/5/01
High school, Santee, Calif. 2 killed, 13 injured.

12/6/01
Factory, Goshen, Ind. 2 killed, 6 injured.

11/21/04
Hunting grounds near Meteor, Wis. 6 killed, 2 injured.

2/25/05
Courthouse, Tyler, Tex. 2 killed, 4 injured.

3/11/05
Courthouse, Atlanta. 4 killed.

3/14/05
Church, Brookfield, Wis. 7 killed, 4 injured.

3/21/05
High school, Red Lake Indian Reservation, Minn. 10 killed, 7 injured.

1/30/06
Mail-processing plant, Goleta, Calif. 8 killed.

7/28/06
Nonprofit office, Seattle. 1 killed, 5 injured.

8/24/06
Various locations, Essex, Vt. 2 killed, 3 injured.

10/2/06
School, Nickel Mines, Pa. 5 killed, 6 injured.

12/9/06
Law office, Chicago. 4 killed.

12/12/06
Strip club, New Bedford, Mass. 4 killed, 2 injured.

2/12/07
Shopping mall, Salt Lake City. 6 killed.

4/16/07
College campus, Blacksburg, Va. 33 killed, 17 injured.

5/20/07
Courthouse and private residence, Moscow, Idaho. 4 killed, 3 injured.

7/22/07
Bar, Philadelphia. 3 killed.

8/4/07
Elementary school, Newark, N.J. 3 killed, 1 injured.

8/12/07
Coffee shop, Dallas. 1 killed, 3 injured.

10/10/07
High school, Cleveland. 1 killed, 4 injured.

11/4/07
Nightclub, Denver. 1 killed, 6 injured.

12/5/07
Department store, Omaha. 9 killed, 5 injured.

12/9/07
Missionary training center and church, Arvada and Colorado Springs, Colo. 5 killed, 5 injured.

2/2/08
Clothing store, Tinley Park, Ill. 5 killed, 1 injured.

2/7/08
City Council meeting, Kirkwood, Mo. 7 killed, 2 injured.

2/14/08
College campus, DeKalb, Ill. 6 killed, 16 injured.

3/4/08
Fast-food restaurant, West Palm Beach, Fla. 2 killed, 5 injured.

3/30/08
Church event, Richmond, Calif. 1 killed, 4 injured.

5/25/08
Bar, Winnemucca, Nev. 2 killed, 2 injured.

5/26/08
Memorial Day BBQ, Jackson, Miss. 1 killed, 4 injured.

6/1/08
Bar, North Versailles, Pa. 5 killed.

6/22/08
Nightclub, St. Paul, Minn. 1 killed, 3 injured.

6/24/08
Plastics plant, Henderson, Ky. 6 killed, 1 injured.

7/4/08
Street party, Milwaukee. 4 killed, 2 injured.

7/6/08
Street party, Pompano Beach, Fla. 1 killed, 3 injured.

7/27/08
Church, Knoxville, Tenn. 2 killed, 7 injured.

7/31/08
Swimming hole, Niagara, Wis. 3 killed, 1 injured.

9/2/08
Various locations, Alger, Wash. 6 killed, 2 injured.

9/11/08
Youth basketball ceremony, Philadelphia. 2 killed, 3 injured.

9/23/08
Bus station, Compton, Calif. 2 killed, 3 injured.

10/24/08
Various locations, Newark, N.J. 2 killed, 4 injured.

11/2/08
Fast-food parking lot, Orlando, Fla. 1 killed, 3 injured.

11/9/08
Bar, Columbus, Ind. 1 killed, 3 injured.

11/16/08
Nightclub, Dallas. 1 killed, 4 injured.

11/16/08
Mall parking lot, Odenton, Md. 2 killed, 2 injured.

11/21/08
Elementary school, Stockton, Calif. 1 killed, 4 injured.

11/22/08
Restaurant parking lot, Skyway, Wash. 1 killed, 3 injured.

11/23/08
Turfgrass business and private home, Murfreesboro, N.C. 3 killed, 1 injured.

12/7/08
Nightclub, Atlanta. 1 killed, 5 injured.

12/12/08
Bar, Trotwood, Ohio. 1 killed, 5 injured.

12/26/08
Bar, Lynchburg, South Carolina. 1 killed, 3 injured.

12/30/08
Smoke shop, Dallas. 1 killed, 3 injured.

1/24/09
Under-21 nightclub, Portland, Ore. 3 killed, 7 injured.

2/14/09
Hospital parking lot and private residence, Brockport, N.Y. 4 killed, 1 injured.

3/1/09
Bar, Largo, Md. 1 killed, 6 injured.

3/10/09
Various locations, Kinston & Samson, Ala. 11 killed.

3/20/09
Block party, Jacksonville, Fla. 1 killed, 4 injured.

3/21/09
Various locations, Oakland. 4 killed, 1 injured.

3/30/09
Nursing home, Carthage, N.C. 8 killed, 3 injured.

4/3/09
Immigrant community center, Binghamton, N.Y. 13 killed, 4 injured.

4/10/09
Hotel, Rosemead, Calif. 2 killed, 3 injured.

4/17/09
Car repair shop, Detroit. 1 killed, 4 injured.

4/25/09
Block party, Jacksonville, Fla. 1 killed, 9 injured.

4/29/09
Taco truck, Lennox, Calif. 1 killed, 5 injured.

5/6/09
Gas station, Detroit. 1 killed, 2 injured.

5/6/09
Grocery store, Chicago. 1 killed, 3 injured.

5/27/09
Bar, Canton, Ohio. 3 killed.

5/28/09
Methadone clinic, Birmingham, Ala. 2 killed, 2 injured.

5/30/09
Strip club, Springfield, Mass. 1 killed, 5 injured.

5/31/09
Convenience-store parking lot, Phoenix. 2 killed, 2 injured.

6/13/09
Convenience store, Lexington, Ky. 1 killed, 3 injured.

6/21/09
Bar, Philadelphia. 1 killed, 6 injured.

7/1/09
Dental office, Simi Valley, Calif. 1 killed, 3 injured.

7/6/09
Block party, Overtown, Fla. 2 killed, 10 injured.

7/11/09
Street party, Concord, N.C. 1 killed, 3 injured.

7/25/09
Motorcycle club, Aurora, Colo. 1 killed, 3 injured.

8/4/09
Fitness center, Collier, Pa. 3 killed, 9 injured.

8/4/09
Fast-food-restaurant parking lot, Atlantic City, N.J. 1 killed, 3 injured.

8/30/09
Bar, Moss Point, Miss. 1 killed, 6 injured.

11/1/09
Television store, Mount Airy, N.C. 4 killed.

11/4/09
Nightclub, Denver. 1 killed, 6 injured.

11/5/09
Army base, Fort Hood, Tex. 13 killed, 30 injured.

11/6/09
Engineering firm, Orlando, Fla. 1 killed, 5 injured.

11/7/09
Bar, Vail, Colo. 1 killed, 3 injured.

11/8/09
Bar, Reading, Penn. 1 killed, 6 injured.

11/10/09
Drug-testing lab, Tualatin, Ore. 1 killed, 2 injured.

11/28/09
Gas station, Brockton, Mass. 1 killed, 3 injured.

11/29/09
Coffee shop, Lakewood, Wash. 4 killed.

1/7/10
Power plant, St. Louis. 4 killed, 5 injured.

1/12/10
Truck-leasing company, Kennesaw, Ga. 2 killed, 3 injured.

1/16/10
Nightclub, Oklahoma City. 1 killed, 4 injured.

2/12/10
College campus, Huntsville, Alabama. 3 killed, 3 injured.

2/21/10
Bar, Philadelphia. 1 killed, 3 injured.

4/3/10
Restaurant, North Hollywood. 4 killed, 2 injured.

6/6/10
Restaurant, Hialeah, Florida. 5 killed, 3 injured.

6/19/10
Restaurant, San Bernardino, Calif. 3 killed, 2 injured.

8/3/10
Beer distribution factory, Hartford, Conn. 9 killed, 2 injured.

11/30/10
Funeral home, St. Louis. 2 killed, 2 injured.

12/14/10
Shopping center, Sacramento, Calif. 1 killed, 5 injured.

1/8/11
Shopping center, Tucson, Ariz. 6 killed, 13 injured.

3/25/11
Nightclub, Irvington, N.J. 1 killed, 4 injured.

6/20/11
Pharmacy, Medford, N.Y. 4 killed.

6/30/11
Nightclub, Lauderdale Lakes, Fla. 2 killed, 10 injured.

7/23/11
Roller-skating rink, Grand Prairie, Tex. 6 killed.

9/6/11
Pancake restaurant, Carson City, Nev. 5 killed, 7 injured.

10/5/11
Cement plant, Cupertino, Calif. 3 killed, 7 injured.

10/8/11
Nightclub, Dallas. 8 killed.

10/10/11
Bar, Anchorage, Alaska. 2 killed, 2 injured.

10/12/11
Hair salon, Orange County, Calif. 8 killed, 1 injured.

12/16/11
Office, Irwindale, Calif. 3 killed, 2 injured.

2/21/12
Spa, Norcross, Ga. 5 killed.

2/26/12
Nightclub, Jackson, Tenn. 1 killed, 20 injured.

2/27/12
High school, Chardon, Ohio. 3 killed, 2 injured.

3/8/12
Psychiatric hospital, Pittsburgh. 1 killed, 7 injured.

3/30/12
Funeral home, North Miami, Fla. 2 killed, 12 injured.

4/2/12
Vocational school, Oakland. 7 killed, 3 injured.

5/30/12
Café, Seattle. 6 killed.

6/20/12
Nightclub, Houston. 3 killed, 2 injured.

7/9/12
Park, Dover, Del. 3 killed, 2 injured.

7/20/12
Movie theater, Aurora, Colo. 12 killed, 59 injured.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Project Willow » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:34 pm

wetland wrote:5/30/12
Café, Seattle. 6 killed.


Including the shooter, and 1 injured.

And Cafe Racer had its grand reopening... yesterday.
http://seattletimes.com/html/editorials/2018736735_edit21caferacer.html

The doors reopened with volunteer help and generous contributions from the community. Cafe Racer responded in kind with [url]caferacerlove.org[/url], an online gathering place soliciting donations for the victims and their families. Also featured were links for counseling, and fundraising events.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:01 pm

God, some of the speculation pieces just hurt my soul. So dumb. So, so dumb.

There's gonna be some venom here, forgive me.

His "exotic" gear -- usually an issue to people who have literally never been to a gun shop. Despite America's reputation as the shootin-est nation in all the world, most folks I know don't own or use firearms at all. I've seen people claiming that his equipment cost "over $20,000" and that just made me want to cry...what the fuck is Google for, again? I could drive up to Island Pond right now and buy...all....of that gear, minus the tear gas grenades. Those I would have to buy from the kind of dealer who meets you in a parking lot with a suitcase. Your city has a few, too. That aside, calling it "SWAT" gear only confuses the issue. You can buy tactical gear over the counter in this country.

His background and behavior just "don't add up" for people -- you know, the hundreds of millions of Americans with profiling & psychological training who have studied the criminal mind. Every expert on Facebook. Charlie Booker's NEWSWIPE rant fits here perfectly: these people are simply assholes and animals, nothing special or fascinating at all. Their behavior "doesn't add up" because they are fucking insane. You know, hence the crime.



At the end of the day, what bothers me about this is how familiar it was. Clearly, I just resent watching the rest of country going through the initial apophenia shock I've already processed myself -- incompletely, incorrectly and incoherently, no doubt. Still, I have to call a spade a spade: so many of us just don't know shit about shit.

It's appropriate that this happened in a movie theater, because the heuristics most Americans are using to evaluate this incident are drawn 100% from movies they've seen. AKA their only experience with violence.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby nashvillebrook » Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:27 pm

Just a point of information...

Holmes called himself The Joker, which seems to have a self-evident reference in the context of the Dark Knight.

Archetypically, the Joker can also be seen as the Trickster.


Significance of the Trickster Figure and "Contrariness" in Plains Society

Psychological anthropologists, especially those oriented toward psychoanalytic theory and depth psychology, point to the Trickster figure as a sort of important cultural "release valve." He represents the "return of the repressed," the Dionysian aspects of life only temporarily held in abeyance by the Apollonian forces of civilization. The carnivals and feasts held in honor of fools in Europe, suggest some anthropologists, are "outlets," allowing people to invert the social order temporarily as a way of promoting its continuity in the long run (avoiding its ultimate collapse.) The ruler is dressed in peasants' clothes, and some ignorant serf is crowned king. Symbols of authority normally held in extreme reverence are mocked and desecrated.

Clowns and contraries in Plains societies do not just come out once a year, however. They are permanent parts of the society, and are seen as continual reminders of the contingency and arbitrariness of the social order. Long before French theorists came on the scene, the heyoka was reminding his own people about the social construction of reality. By doing everything backwards, the heyoka in a way is carrying out a constant experiment in ethnomethodology, showing people how their own expectations limit their behavior. Like a good performance artist, the shocking behavior of the heyoka is supposed to confront people and make them reconsider what they may have arbitrarily accepted as normal. It's to "jolt" them out of their ordinary frames of mind. (Steward 1991)

More importantly, as a representative of Thunderbird and Trickster, the heyoka reminds his people that the primordial energy of nature is beyond good and evil. It doesn't correspond to human categories of right and wrong. It doesn't always follow our preconceptions of what is expected and proper. It doesn't really care about our human woes and concerns. Like electricity, it can be deadly dangerous, or harnessed for great uses. If we're too narrow or parochial in trying to understand it, it will zap us in the middle of the night. Like any good trickster, the heyoka plays pranks on others in his culture not to make them feel embarrassed and stupid, but to show them ways they could start being more smart.



I've often wondered how much of our behavior could be influenced by "place." Is it possible that places have natural affinities or resonances with people? Could the Denver/Colorado Springs corridor, naturally resonate with chaotic, anti-social behavior? Could it be that modern war-makers find this area amenable to their work b/c of the location's predisposition? Could hypersensitive people be influenced by such things, driving them to this sort of madness?

There was a place in East Tennessee I used to go called Beauty Spot, up in the Laurels of the Smokey Mountains between Tennessee and North Carolina. The general area (Unicoi County, TN) was industrialized by Nuclear Fuels Services, a public/private partnership that took spent nuclear rods and converted them into fuel.

Beauty Spot was the sort of place that people went to either make-out, hike, or smoke pot. I usually found myself up there at the end of a long lysergic nights to watch the sun rise, or just to drive on the snowy mountain roads to remind myself of something...not sure what.

In the mid-90s a couple of 20-somethings (friends of a friend) went to Beauty Spot to be alone, make out, smoke a bowl, whatever. They were shot and killed by a stranger at Beauty Spot -- exactly 20 years to the day of a similar incident where a romantic couple was murdered by a stranger. The killer was 20 years old. Also reported on the front page of the paper that day, a flock of starlings fell dead from the sky, not far from the site. Dozens of dead starlings were found with no obvious injuries, a decade before this sort of thing would make national news.

All of this was on the front page of the local paper and I should have saved it b/c it seemed like some kind of synchro-mystic map of...something.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby ninakat » Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:52 pm

Saw this linked in a comment at Cryptogon....

Colorado Batman shooting shows obvious signs of being staged
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Re: 14 dead 50 injured Aurora Colo - Batman Movie

Postby MinM » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:02 pm

elfismiles wrote:Yesterday morning, on my way to work, I tuned into one of those morning shows which I never do and they were talking about a ticket contest giveaway for DARK KNIGHT. They were calling them Dick Passes, as they were joking about the idea of someone getting pissed off from waiting in the line and the ticket winners would be cutting in front of them. They may have even quipped about the possibility of violence. I certainly thought about that idea when I heard this little radio back and forth.

Last night my wife and I were contemplating watching MIDNIGHT COWBOY streaming on NetFlix but it wasn't available but we were going through all the movies that had come up under the search term MIDNIGHT and one of them we stopped on was:


Midnight Movie

2008 NR1hr 19m

Some grind house aficionados become the unwitting stars of an old slasher flick when the film's crazed killer leaps off the screen to hunt them down, drag them back into the movie and kill them.

https://movies.netflix.com/movie/Midnig ... e/70111363


At first I thought the above was referencing a movie that was synchronistically made around the time of a low-budget movie that my friends and I produced back in the late 1980s:


Midnight Movie Massacre (1988) - IMDb

A Martian begins to attack the patrons and staff of a movie theater during the 1950's as a low budget science fiction film plays on the screen.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095630/



Our movie was called THE INCREDIBLE MIDNIGHT MOVIE MASSACRE and we discovered the other similarly titled film only after we had completed ours.

Anyway, last night we didn't watch that "Midnight Movie" but ended up watching an episode of the MADMEN tv series.

EDIT: Meant to say BREAKING BAD. Not MADMEN.


Dark Knight Shooting: 12 Dead, 50 Injured
by Loren Coleman at 5:35
...

Andrew Griffin's excellent overview, "Midnight Massacre in Theatre No. 9," at the Red Dirt Report is also worthy of reading.

http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2012/ ... oting.html

A few other movie tie-ins seem applicable. Beginning with the obvious one in the incredibly tragic case of Jessica Redfield...
Final Destination (2000)

Alex is boarding his plane to France on a school trip, when he suddenly gets a premonition that the plane will explode. When Alex and a group of students are thrown off the plane, to their horror, the plane does in fact explode. Alex must now work out Death's plan, as each of the surviving students falls victim. Whilst preventing the worst from happening, Alex must also dodge the FBI, which believes Alex caused the explosion...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Destination_2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Destination_3

We Need to Talk About Kevin (2011)

High Schooler who shoots up his school.

Beautiful Boy (2010)

A married couple on the verge of separation are leveled by the news their 18-year-old son committed a mass shooting at his college, then took his own life.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby nashvillebrook » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:07 pm

ninakat wrote:Saw this linked in a comment at Cryptogon....

Colorado Batman shooting shows obvious signs of being staged


Not that NaturalNews is the best source for information, but The Health Ranger does ask a good question: where does an unemployed grad student (collecting unemployment, says Ranger), get the money for $20,000 of tactical gear and equipment?

Health Ranger posits a third party and goes on to speculate that the "mission" was staged to coincide with a vote on the UN Small Arms Treaty...I guess b/c "they" are coming for our guns.

The question is a good one -- the speculation seems like boilerplate.

edit to add -- wonder if Holmes has a student loan for the semester he withdrew from. That could have been the source of some of the funds for this.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby mackwhite » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:39 pm

Another movie massacre movie: Peter Bogdanovich's "Targets" (1968) starring Boris Karloff ...

From Wikipedia:

The story concerns a quiet insurance agent / Vietnam veteran, played by Tim O'Kelly, who murders his young wife, his mother and a grocery delivery boy at home and then initiates an afternoon shooting rampage from atop a Los Angeles area oil refinery. Several motorists and passengers are wounded or killed on the nearby freeway. When the police respond and start to close in on him he flees and resumes his shootings at a Reseda drive-in theater where an aging horror film icon is making a final promotional appearance before retirement.

The character and actions of the killer are patterned after Charles Whitman, the University of Texas sniper. The character of actor Byron Orlok, named after Max Schreck's vampire Count Orlok in 1922's Nosferatu, is patterned after Boris Karloff himself, who in fact plays the part in his last appearance in a major American film (although Bogdanovich states that, unlike Orlok, Karloff was not embittered with the movie business and did not wish to retire).

In the film's finale, which takes place at a drive-in theater, Karloff — the old-fashioned, traditional screen monster who always obeyed the rules — confronts the new, realistic, nihilistic late-1960s monster in the shape of a clean-cut, unassuming multiple murderer. He slaps the murderer into submission and the police arrive and affect an arrest. The murderer wonders aloud about the exact number of victims after his wounding or killing of several theater patrons,
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:57 pm

God, so gutwrenching reading about the six year old killed right in front of other kids. The teen boyfriend killed while taking a bullet protecting his girlfriend.
Just random middle aged, teens, kids all blown up. As a huge huge theater cinephile(I often am more excited by enjoying the movies than concerts) it adds another layer of horror.

But it had to be Batman, didnt it? I mean if this was a mall shooting, or a shooting at a park...would it really be seering as deep into the collective group consciousness?
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby jlaw172364 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:03 pm

@Wombaticus

People by arms from black market dealers to avoid the scrutiny associated with legal arms dealers. This may mean they pay a premium on the wares they purchase, because the black market dealer raises his price to compensate for the added risks he takes.

Holmes bought a lot of equipment. Where did he get the money? Maybe it was left-over student loan money or some other form of credit?

I find it interesting that an individual can make those kinds of purchases (namely, thousands of rounds of ammunition), yet it is alleged that he did not appear in any law enforcement or intelligence agency databases. Wasn't anyone concerned that he might shoot up a board-room? Then again, I don't know what is and isn't normal with regard to purchasing habits of the average American gun-owner. It may be that gun enthusiasts frequently by thousands of rounds of ammunition at a time, and then go to the shooting range for a little orgy of pseudo-violence. Colorado is a gun-friendly state. So maybe he slipped through the data-mining cracks. I'm sure more details will emerge.

I find it interesting though that one of the few identifiable statements attributed to him was his identification with the Joker.

When I watched The Dark Knight, I found the Joker's character extremely suspicious, in the same way that outsiders might find Batman suspicious. Batman, by now, seems familiar to us, because as an audience, we've collectively known him intimately for about 80 years. He's a billionaire industrialist, so that's how he funds all of his gadgetry and wizardry, and that's also how he operates above and beyond the reach of the law and ordinary society. But if you were completely new to Batman, if you saw him as an average Gothamite citizen might see him, you wouldn't actually know about Bruce Wayne, because that's the part that Batman keeps hidden. What would you think if you were a cop, or in the military? Surely, if the government wanted to stop Batman they could, because all they would have to do is play detective to figure out where his Batmobile, Batwing and bat gadgets come from. Then they'd trail him back to the Batcave, gang up on him, and arrest his ass. So it seems that Batman operates with the tacit permission of the highest levels of government, certainly those circles above Commissioner Gordon, who after all, is only a lowly city official.

In The Dark Knight, the police can't identify the origin of the Joker's clothing, it being of custom design. The Joker, at one point, manipulates Dent by talking about how he "doesn't plan," that he acts chaotically. Yet everything the Joker does in the films is executed with surgical precision, from the beginning heist where, to quote Wombat's earlier post, the "operational team erases itself" in an orderly fashion due to the Joker's intimate understanding of criminal psychology (people who can be paid to violently rob other people, may also be paid to betray each other for more loot), to the Joker anticipating the police's every move, and quick consolidation of various criminal factions. So, while he may call himself an agent of "chaos," he really behaves more like an agent provocateur, one who aims to provoke more order by carefully, painstakingly manufacturing artificial chaos.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Canadian_watcher » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:05 pm

8bitagent wrote:
But it had to be Batman, didnt it? I mean if this was a mall shooting, or a shooting at a park...would it really be seering as deep into the collective group consciousness?


I cannot understand the fascination with the batman movies, or batman in general. I mean seriously folks. This is the story of a rich mofo with a lot of toys and time on his hands who seems cold and ruthless. I don't even get why he wants to save people he doesn't know. He's all about revenge which, in my opinion, is a stupid waste of time.

anyway... for me it would be just as bad no matter where it happened.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:01 pm

I just meant in this sync heavy symbolic world of egregoric experience, it seems like it just had to be a midnight screening of dark knight

Nasvillebrooke brings up an interesting notion of mystical topography. When balloonboy looked like he was crossing toward Denver International(and from there, only a hop and a skip to 33.3 Roswell)
I took pause. Weird America indeed. But certainly the defense industry has made the greater Denver area it's nesting area. (Wasnt it a fact a great percentage of Littleton parents worked for defense companies?) The roots to say, Jack Parson's are there. Chaos, chaos chaos.

Also dig the thoughts on the Joker being a little TOO meticulous. Like he was intentionally sent to Gotham. Hmmm...
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:04 pm

Just to challenge Alex Jones...

1. The killer paid to get in, propped the exit door a little(maybe a rock or something that wouldnt be noticed), went to his truck near the rear, and voila.

2. A "second shooter". We always hear of these phantom shooters, 'early reports' thought of as gospel in conspiracy circles. Im pretty sure it was just one guy with this event

3. The gear he had didnt seem too pricey, as for the weapons...yeah those could probably cost a pretty penny. But not the vest/gasmask/etc

So odd how people are programmed to think its all part of the show. Eeep!
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:12 pm

jlaw172364 wrote:@Wombaticus

People by arms from black market dealers to avoid the scrutiny associated with legal arms dealers. This may mean they pay a premium on the wares they purchase, because the black market dealer raises his price to compensate for the added risks he takes.


Yeah, no.

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Elvis » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:50 pm

mackwhite wrote:Another movie massacre movie: Peter Bogdanovich's "Targets" (1968)


And another from 1968:

if.... is a 1968 British drama film produced and directed by Lindsay Anderson satirising English public school life. Famous for its depiction of a savage insurrection at a public school or boarding school...
stars Malcolm McDowell in his first screen role and his first appearance as Anderson's "everyman" character Mick Travis...
won the Palme d'Or at the 1969 Cannes Film Festival.[2] In 2004, the magazine Total Film named it the sixteenth greatest British film of all time.


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