Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby justdrew » Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:15 pm

maybe, but if his truck axle is really broken, I'm not sure you can just do that on demand. Even the best laid plans fail on contact with reality. I suspect there's a good chance he's covered in snow already.

He must have simmered for quite some time, after the massive rush of the initial incidents, it's very possible his resolve faltered and some remorse settled in. He thought his world was destroyed before, well, now it's true. A great example of self-fulfilling prophesy or thoughts pre-determining reality.

I guess though his thoughts couldn't keep the axle from breaking, one can't think of everything :shrug:




but yeah, it could have been a diversion, assuming he was able to make it to another vehicle.

Could he have multiple vehicles? Well, they would have to not be registered in his name. He couldn't have stolen one, since it would likely be reported stolen by now and they would give a new likely car description.
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:04 pm

It's possible he just broke down, both mentally/emotionally/vehicular wise and they'll find him with a single gunshot wound or hypothermia when the snow melts.
Wouldn't surprise me.

It's when I suspect deep state connections, do events like DC Sniper seem to continue on and on. (or when the programming wheres off)
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby Hunter » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:12 pm

justdrew wrote:maybe, but if his truck axle is really broken, I'm not sure you can just do that on demand. Even the best laid plans fail on contact with reality. I suspect there's a good chance he's covered in snow already.

He must have simmered for quite some time, after the massive rush of the initial incidents, it's very possible his resolve faltered and some remorse settled in. He thought his world was destroyed before, well, now it's true. A great example of self-fulfilling prophesy or thoughts pre-determining reality.

I guess though his thoughts couldn't keep the axle from breaking, one can't think of everything :shrug:




but yeah, it could have been a diversion, assuming he was able to make it to another vehicle.

Could he have multiple vehicles? Well, they would have to not be registered in his name. He couldn't have stolen one, since it would likely be reported stolen by now and they would give a new likely car description.

The authorities are saying now that they may have broken the axel when they were towing it away.


I also think it is possible he may be having some remorse after killing the girl, he does seem to have an conscience from his writings and is clearly a principled guy as those things go so there is a chance that he may be really rethinking it all but I a guessing not, I think he is just laying low preparing for the next strike, he talks awfully big in that manifesto so I am gong to assume the guy means business and besides he is done for now no matter if he has remorse or not, no going back so I cant see why he wouldnt finish the job, its too late now to say he is sorry or made a mistake.


Good points though, things to think about.
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby justdrew » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:27 pm

justdrew wrote:I could be they knew he was going off earlier than we think. He mailed the package to Anderson Cooper such that it arrived on Feb 1st. Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence were killed late Sunday night or early Monday morning. Monday morning the facebook thing leaks to some sort of massive facebook posting thread that google is able to cache. EVERYONE has the full manifesto from the facebook posting echoed into the thing google caches, you can see it's not complete as it cuts off mid-word. No one seems to have gotten the full text from his facebook page. Which was long gone early on. We know NOTHING about how that manifesto came to law enforcements attention. It is remotely possible than Quan and Lawrence were not killed by Dorner, he makes no mention of it in the manifesto.

so google cache was of a site called:
http://status.idolbin.com/ aka "statusbin" which seems to be a place that agregates all(?) publicly available facebook status updates?

every uncensored version ends... "We need to hold ou"
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby Hunter » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:59 pm

I wanted to note that the LAPD chief said last night they will reopen Dorners case that led to his termination.

But being with familiar with such things in my legal profession I can tell you this is likely not to "re-investigate". By reopening the case, it becomes an "active" investigation which allows the LAPD to keep everything in the case file confidential, and away from from the prying eyes of reporters, lawyers, investigators, authors and the public in general.
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby simian1 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:11 am

All this hand-wringing about him killing "innocent" people bugs me. It's as if people really want to support this murderer, if only he hadn't killed a pretty woman. Convenient that he did, and shocking that he still has so much support in spite of it.

There are no "innocent" people on this planet. All children carry the burden of their parent's choices, and are obliged to address their mistakes. Being good taxpaying middle class citizens of the biggest war machine in history doesn't qualify us as innocent. Ever wonder why we are wealthy when so many are dirt poor? It's because our parents/ancestors made a choice to join the winning team, a team founded upon a legion of shooters like Dorner. People are murdered tortured and enslaved for our cellphones, but we cry "Don't shoot! I'm innocent!" when somebody manages to get through the legion of brainwashed Dorners that we hide behind. I know, it's easier to blame the one percent for everything.

On the other hand if murder is wrong then it's wrong, innocence is not an issue. If murder is not wrong, then it's simply a personal choice as to whether or not it is justified. IMO murder for ideology is true insanity, the ultimate weapon of the system. By that standard Dorner's revenge killings are far more sane than the handiwork of Breivik, Weathermen, etc. who create more division through false ideology. And yet it is the ideological mass murderers like Hitler and Che Guevara who so many revere. Because they stood for something, right? Unless you dont believe in what they stood for, in which case they are evil and the enemy that must be fought.

True believers die hard, and it's clear that Dorner never came to terms with his own hypocrisy. His false self image of a true blue Righteous Protector is what led him to jeopardize his career for Justice instead of either quitting or becoming corrupt like a sane person would. Not all corrupt cops are bad cops. Being a cop, like being a soldier, is a job you get paid for, no more no less. Dorner's insanity lies in the fact that his job WAS his identity. And in his line(s) of work, murder IS justified. Despite his idiotic political shout-outs, there is no real ideology in his manifesto. His beef is personal, not ideological. That's why I have a shred of sympathy for Dorner and nothing but contempt for the Breiviks/Weathermen of this world. That and the fact that Ive had my dealings with violent, corrupt racist cops and lawyers.

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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:16 am

http://now.msn.com/christopher-dorner-i ... on-us-soil

The second a drone is EVER used to strike someone within the United States, it's a fucking red line and I would not be too displeased to see fringe leftists, Tea party Alex Jones types and others
hook up if you know what I mean. Cannot say I'm too dismayed by the "Obama wants to take our guns yet wants drones in America" stance the right wing has taken lately...not that I discount 82_28's double bind theory either(ie: THEY want civil war violence)
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:24 am

simian1 wrote:All this hand-wringing about him killing "innocent" people bugs me. It's as if people really want to support this murderer, if only he hadn't killed a pretty woman. Convenient that he did, and shocking that he still has so much support in spite of it.

There are no "innocent" people on this planet. All children carry the burden of their parent's choices, and are obliged to address their mistakes. Being good taxpaying middle class citizens of the biggest war machine in history doesn't qualify us as innocent. Ever wonder why we are wealthy when so many are dirt poor? It's because our parents/ancestors made a choice to join the winning team, a team founded upon a legion of shooters like Dorner. People are murdered tortured and enslaved for our cellphones, but we cry "Don't shoot! I'm innocent!" when somebody manages to get through the legion of brainwashed Dorners that we hide behind. I know, it's easier to blame the one percent for everything.

On the other hand if murder is wrong then it's wrong, innocence is not an issue. If murder is not wrong, then it's simply a personal choice as to whether or not it is justified. IMO murder for ideology is true insanity, the ultimate weapon of the system. By that standard Dorner's revenge killings are far more sane than the handiwork of Breivik, Weathermen, etc. who create more division through false ideology. And yet it is the ideological mass murderers like Hitler and Che Guevara who so many revere. Because they stood for something, right? Unless you dont believe in what they stood for, in which case they are evil and the enemy that must be fought.

True believers die hard, and it's clear that Dorner never came to terms with his own hypocrisy. His false self image of a true blue Righteous Protector is what led him to jeopardize his career for Justice instead of either quitting or becoming corrupt like a sane person would. Not all corrupt cops are bad cops. Being a cop, like being a soldier, is a job you get paid for, no more no less. Dorner's insanity lies in the fact that his job WAS his identity. And in his line(s) of work, murder IS justified. Despite his idiotic political shout-outs, there is no real ideology in his manifesto. His beef is personal, not ideological. That's why I have a shred of sympathy for Dorner and nothing but contempt for the Breiviks/Weathermen of this world. That and the fact that Ive had my dealings with violent, corrupt racist cops and lawyers.

First time poster but just want to say I love your blog Jeff!


That's quite the first post! (I wish mine was as well thought out) Well you get the award for having one of the ballsiest I've seen on here...welcome aboard!

By the way, you touch upon something...we are suppose to believe MSNBC is the "liberal" network...yet the other day Brian Williams was trying to make me feel bad that a guy who bragged about being the world's
deadliest serial sniper in Iraq was (surprise surprise) gunned down himself. Or we're suppose to feel bad in the portrayal of the Camp Champman attack in Zero Dark Thirty because 4 Blackwater and 3 CIA people were killed
by al Kwayduhs. I'm like, gimme a break Charlie Brown.

Btw to take the Pentagon attack as face value, it technically wasn't a terror attack
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby justdrew » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:33 am

naw, it's was still terrorism, any violence perpetrated by state or non-state persons who blend in with civilians counts I think.




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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:46 am

justdrew wrote:naw, it's was still terrorism, any violence perpetrated by state or non-state persons who blend in with civilians counts I think.




welcome simian1 :tiphat:


If Flight 77 had no passengers yet was piloted by genuine jihadists, then technically it would be asymmetrical warfare I think?
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:24 am

FourthBase wrote:
Luther Blissett wrote:I suggest calling the LAPD and reporting that you think you may have spotted Dorner at, optionally, Morgan Stanley in lower Manhattan, Academi headquarters, or the Pentagon.


Just in case anyone here actually contemplates doing this, be advised that it would probably be a very serious felony.


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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby kelley » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:39 am

is dorner a self-directed 'sleeper', as it were, or are other motives at work here? not to discount individual agency, but a black op which simultaneously targets both a state organization and the citizenry at large would be quite a nefarious undertaking . . there are strange coincidences which mirror the larger nationwide panic concerning weapons, surveillance, ( 'dorner', 'drones'-- where's hugh when we need him? :lol: ) , mental health, access, privacy, and the like that make me a bit nervous and suspicious at once. regardless of its origin and the unfortunate, unavoidable denouement, this story will continue to be spun in ways not yet fully glimpsed.
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby DrVolin » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:58 am

Drones? Whatever else this story might be, it is a very effective overton lever.
all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:02 am

kelley wrote:is dorner a self-directed 'sleeper', as it were, or are other motives at work here? not to discount individual agency, but a black op which simultaneously targets both a state organization and the citizenry at large would be quite a nefarious undertaking


Check out Matthew Aaron Llaneza -- there is a current precedent for that kind of complexity in LEO entrapment now.
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby FourthBase » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:26 pm

DrVolin wrote:Drones? Whatever else this story might be, it is a very effective overton lever.


Damn, even if Dorner is acting entirely on his own, he could be inadvertently creating just the right precedent needed to overcome cultural and legal resistance to the amping-up/normalization of domestic drones. So now...fail, Chocolate Rambo, fail? And then again, maybe there was a brainstorming session in a conference room somewhere in which various scenarios were pitched for "Untitled Drone Precedent", and this is the one that happened to have been greenlighted. And if that were the case, maybe that took place on the fly only after Dorner snapped, and his Rambo moment is only being co-opted, not planned from scratch. The quality of the grudges and the manifesto would have me bet against it all being staged.
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