Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight

[Sounder]

Yes that does make sense blankly

blankly wrote...

This too is common, because the perpetrators are aware that what they do is considered wrong and must be hidden. They effectively act the role of normal in order to confuse the enemy, that is the regular people.

the only solution- end the confusion.

We all seem to need better filters for our discrimination.

[crikkett]

When does a filter become a prejudice?

[Sounder]

crikkett wrote...

When does a filter become a prejudice?

This is certainly a concern and danger.

I think we can find a discrimination that takes us away from, rather than towards prejudice.

Although it may be that the solution I would propose does prejudice one against coercion.

But not in a mean way so much as it simply would no longer receive easy validation.

(In a vertical authority distribution system psychopaths can go with the flow and get by quite well, whereas if they functioned like that in a horizontal authority distribution system they would stick out like sore thumbs.)

[FourthBase]

Too busy to extensively list reasons, links, etc.
Just going to survey some trees for barking.
For now. Will bark later.

Castro's private lawyer. (O RLY? Not that poor, eh?)

Gary Gingell, head of Gina investigation for police, commander of narcotics shit, claims never seen tip about "ELLIOTC" plate from two kids 10 years ago, persistent NTSHMA-er, explainer-away-of-things as ordinary.

Bob Hawk, FBI guy who says four separate video feeds of Gina's disappearance were combed frame-by-frame.

Jane Campbell, mayor, accused by citizens of willful negligence.

NCMEC, who classified Gina as "endangered runaway", despite no evidence of running away, opposite actually. (If a pedophile network were to want to control the strings of any organization...)

[blankly]

Filter/prejudice. A prejudice is the opposite of what I was getting at. Its a fixed belief which obscures one's vision and judgement on the facts. this is what I meant. Our prejudices, perpetrators quickly learn to play to. We all have them, I don't refer only to the big ones, which may or may not be buried in our psyche. As the world has relatively quickly moved to a situation where we always really knew most of our neighbours, to one where we all move around a lot, we use preconceptions to evaluate the evidence we have about each other and make decisions based on it. So, there is a tendency, when a person seems like a regular guy, to overlook the facts which don't fit into that idea. We want it to be ok. We fill in the gaps and paper over the cracks. We should be thinking, he seems ok but I don't really know anything about him except what he's told me.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Dunno how I feel about this piece by, of all people, Bob Ellis.

IT IS LIKELY that Ariel Castro, the Cleveland Ohio bus driver who kidnapped, raped, impregnated, aborted and chained up for years three girls and fathered – and, in some sense, raised – another, will be executed for it in four or five years’ time.

His fate will be watched keenly by hundreds of millions of men who have done similar things in religious and secular contexts around the world.

Teenage brides are delivered, protesting, to older husbands by Amish, Mormon, Scientologist, Pitcairn, Aboriginal, Catholic and Muslim community leaders, occasionally after genital mutilation, and sometimes discarded after enjoyment by all-powerful males. Aboriginal girls were thus ill-used by their white owners for two centuries in Australia.

Secular westerners have forced abortions on their girlfriends and, sometimes, wives, in numbers that approach, by now, a billion. Two-thirds of all Rwandan girls have been raped. Children are trafficked and enslaved throughout Africa, and young girls sold into prostitution in the Philippines by impoverished, eager parents who then receive a percentage of their earnings until they die of AIDS.

Hundreds of millions of girls are thus ill-used every day. Yet only Ariel Castro will go to gaol and be killed for it. He suffers for them all.

A case can be made that Hugh Hefner acted similarly — acquiring, paying, accommodating, seducing, photographing, shaming and discarding hundreds of beautiful young women who did not know what they were in for. And Darryl F Zanuck, who had a new ‘starlet’ at three p.m. almost every day. And Howard Hughes and David Lean and Mao Zedong and many a Catholic priest.

The enslavement by the Magdalene Sisters of girls who had their babies taken away from them is an echo of what Castro did, unpunished and often applauded in Catholic Ireland for nigh on a hundred years. What has been done to girls for thousands of years echoes Castro ninety percent of the time. The prostitute saved from stoning by Jesus has equivalents in Africa today, deprived by AIDS of her parents and risking it to make money to raise young siblings by schtupping truck drivers as in the great film Life, Above All. It is the blind-spot of most societies.

And only Castro of Cleveland will die for it. Had he been not Hispanic, but Anglo, he might have got off more lightly. Had he been Joe Kennedy or Jack, or Grover Cleveland, or Thomas Jefferson who first impregnated a mulatto slave Sally Hemings when she was fourteen, and sent his light-skinned male progeny away, and out into the world, never to be seen again, when they were grown.

It is centuries of slavery and slave rape and miscegenation that America is punishing today as they rail against Castro so earnestly and righteously. It is their primal eldest curse and they will never be free of it.

How will the six-year-old girl, the child of rape like so many million others, feel when her father is killed for having improperly fathered her? When she is thus informed she should never have been born? She will be ten or twelve by then, and not likely to take it well.

The fine Fowles novel, The Collector, is about such things and was popular because it touched on fantasies, both male and female, that are common to humankind. The leather-and-chains of S and M, legally available in most western cities, the dildos and whips and nose-rings and studs, show how prevalent these thoughts are.

And only Castro will die for them.

http://www.independentaustralia.net/201 ... -up-girls/

[Jerky]

Jesus Christ, this story. It just keeps getting worse and worse and worse for humanity, apparently.

Michelle Knight, you beautiful soul, may you heal now, at long fucking last.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 487a88.511

[MinM]

http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2013/05/CharlesRamsey.html

... But as Judas Disney points out to me, we have met a Philadelphia "Charles Ramsey" before - and his name was linked to Aurora and The Dark Knight Rises...

Would that e former RIer Judas Disney?

[Sepka]

Dunno how I feel about this piece by, of all people, Bob Ellis.

I've never heard of Bob Ellis, but I find I've formed an extremely strong opinion about him already.

First, if he thinks there's a non-zero probability that Castro will be tried, convicted, and executed in a mere "four or five years’ time", then he really hasn't looked into the matter enough to be taken seriously anyway. At Castro's age he's got as good a chance of dying of old age as of being executed.

Secondly, if he really thinks that a schoolgirl being kidnapped, raped, brainwashed, and tortured for ten years is a morally equivalent situation to that of a movie actor screwing a producer in hope of getting a bigger part, then I'm not even sure what to say. I won't even address his assertion that Castro is suffering, Christ-like, for the sins of all.

[Jerky]

Just FYI, I happen to know a James Ramsey. Not only is he not Black, but he's not even a proponent of sane gun control legislation!

How's THAT for weird?! OFF THE FUCKIN CHARTS I'd say!!!!!111!

Jerky

http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2013/05/CharlesRamsey.html

... But as Judas Disney points out to me, we have met a Philadelphia "Charles Ramsey" before - and his name was linked to Aurora and The Dark Knight Rises...

Would that e former RIer Judas Disney?

[Hunter]

Castro’s new legal team says he’ll plead not guilty

Lawyers for Ariel Castro say he'll plead not guilty to charges of kidnapping and raping three women while holding them captive for a decade in his west Cleveland home.

"The initial portrayal by the media has been one of a 'monster' and that's not the impression that I got when I talked to him for three hours," Craig Weintraub, one of Castro's lawyers, told Cleveland's WKYC-TV late Tuesday.

The 52-year-old is being held on an $8 million bond in Cuyahoga County Jail and is under a suicide watch.

"He doesn't have a television, doesn't have radio, doesn't have magazines, no access to newspapers," Jaye Schlachet, another Castro lawyer, said. "He's completely isolated from society."

[Related: Castro brothers break silence on Cleveland case]

Castro is suspected of kidnapping Michelle Knight in 2002, Amanda Berry in 2003 and Gina DeJesus in 2004, and then holding them captive in his west Cleveland home. DNA tests confirm he fathered a daughter with Berry in 2006.

"I can tell you that Mr. Castro is extremely committed to the well-being and positive future for his daughter, who he loves dearly," Schlachet said. "And if people find that to be a disconnect from what he's alleged to have done, then the people will just have to deal with it. We just know how he feels about his little girl."

Castro's attorneys say that how he came into contact with the women will be revealed "as the case progresses." And they say they may seek a change of venue to get a fair trial.

"I know the media wants to jump to conclusions, and all the people in the community want to say terrible things about the person who's accused," Schlachet added. "We are not even at the beginning of the process. If this was a marathon race, we're not even at the starting line yet."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...123152315.html

[8bitagent]

dun dun dun! Ariel isnt a monster...he...he was just a charasmatic cult leader whom these underage teens through themselves at! In fact they were the ones pursuing him, like Bieber fans! Uh, I mean theyre the ones that willingly got in the car! *heavy sarcasm*

[8bitagent]

I'm watching Rachel Maddow on MSNBC right now and she showed that around 450,000 children are reported missing every year... BUT (she assures us) only 2% of those cases are "abduction by stranger".

Wait. Do the math. 2% of 450,000 is still 9,000 children abducted by strangers across America every year. I know that statistically it's a small number, but Jesus Christ! Add up a couple of years and you could fill a football stadium with children who were forcefully taken from their families by complete strangers. Didn't Jeff write a frightening blog entry about this a few years ago?

yes. it's mind boggling. but I still find the 450,000 number hard to believe. that's a substantial percent of ALL children isn't it? sure some of them are misunderstandings or runaways but can there really be that many divorce-nappers?

"Absolutely there is a chance," Allen said. "Justice Department research shows that even in most serious child abduction cases where kids are taken by strangers, in nearly 60 percent of those cases the child comes home alive."

According to the number on Maddow's show, of those 450,000 missing children every year: more than 40% were runaways, another 40+% were simply "misplaced" (I assume, not where they were supposed to be, but quickly found and returned). 8% were lost/injured, 6% were family abductions, and 2% were abducted by a stranger. These percents are not 100% accurate, as I'm going off memory.

I like FourthBase's line of questioning. One perpetrator and it's a crime. Three and it's a conspiracy. Let's keep going with that.

This happened in my own home town the other day
http://www.kcra.com/news/local-news/new ... index.html

How the hell is this even a reality, or a thing? Guys driving around abducting kids for god knows what purposes. This seems to happen a lot in California.
I mean we heard tales of this growing up but it seems so common. thankfully the girl escaped luckily

[Novem5er]

I'm watching Rachel Maddow on MSNBC right now and she showed that around 450,000 children are reported missing every year... BUT (she assures us) only 2% of those cases are "abduction by stranger".

Wait. Do the math. 2% of 450,000 is still 9,000 children abducted by strangers across America every year. I know that statistically it's a small number, but Jesus Christ! Add up a couple of years and you could fill a football stadium with children who were forcefully taken from their families by complete strangers. Didn't Jeff write a frightening blog entry about this a few years ago?

yes. it's mind boggling. but I still find the 450,000 number hard to believe. that's a substantial percent of ALL children isn't it? sure some of them are misunderstandings or runaways but can there really be that many divorce-nappers?

"Absolutely there is a chance," Allen said. "Justice Department research shows that even in most serious child abduction cases where kids are taken by strangers, in nearly 60 percent of those cases the child comes home alive."

According to the number on Maddow's show, of those 450,000 missing children every year: more than 40% were runaways, another 40+% were simply "misplaced" (I assume, not where they were supposed to be, but quickly found and returned). 8% were lost/injured, 6% were family abductions, and 2% were abducted by a stranger. These percents are not 100% accurate, as I'm going off memory.

I like FourthBase's line of questioning. One perpetrator and it's a crime. Three and it's a conspiracy. Let's keep going with that.

This happened in my own home town the other day
http://www.kcra.com/news/local-news/new ... index.html

How the hell is this even a reality, or a thing? Guys driving around abducting kids for god knows what purposes. This seems to happen a lot in California.
I mean we heard tales of this growing up but it seems so common. thankfully the girl escaped luckily

That's awful! Yet, according to those numbers from the FBI, it will happen about 8,999 more times this year in America. No way in heck my girls are ever walking to school, which is a shame because I hate being a helicopter parent.

Thinking about this thread, I can't help but remember one of Jeff's old posts where he quoted Hunter S. Thompson (a man who might have known a thing or two):

"The Autumn months are never a calm time in America. Back to Work, Back to School, Back to Football Practice, etc. ... Autumn is a very Traditional period, a time of strong Rituals and the celebrating of strange annual holidays like Halloween and Satanism and the fateful Harvest Moon, which can have ominous implications for some people.

Autumn is always a time of Fear and Greed and Hoarding for the winter coming on. Debt collectors are active on old people and fleece the weak and helpless. They want to lay in enough cash to weather the known horrors of January and February. There is always a rash of kidnapping and abductions of school children in the football months. Pre-teens of both sexes are traditionally seized and grabbed off the streets by gangs of organized Perverts."

http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=891226

Is it a little bit strange that Amanda Knight was taken on August 23, 2002. That date is just over a week from Labor Day, the unofficial beginning of Autumn. It looks like Mr. Thompson wasn't too far off the mark.

[8bitagent]

I'm watching Rachel Maddow on MSNBC right now and she showed that around 450,000 children are reported missing every year... BUT (she assures us) only 2% of those cases are "abduction by stranger".

Wait. Do the math. 2% of 450,000 is still 9,000 children abducted by strangers across America every year. I know that statistically it's a small number, but Jesus Christ! Add up a couple of years and you could fill a football stadium with children who were forcefully taken from their families by complete strangers. Didn't Jeff write a frightening blog entry about this a few years ago?

yes. it's mind boggling. but I still find the 450,000 number hard to believe. that's a substantial percent of ALL children isn't it? sure some of them are misunderstandings or runaways but can there really be that many divorce-nappers?

"Absolutely there is a chance," Allen said. "Justice Department research shows that even in most serious child abduction cases where kids are taken by strangers, in nearly 60 percent of those cases the child comes home alive."

According to the number on Maddow's show, of those 450,000 missing children every year: more than 40% were runaways, another 40+% were simply "misplaced" (I assume, not where they were supposed to be, but quickly found and returned). 8% were lost/injured, 6% were family abductions, and 2% were abducted by a stranger. These percents are not 100% accurate, as I'm going off memory.

I like FourthBase's line of questioning. One perpetrator and it's a crime. Three and it's a conspiracy. Let's keep going with that.

This happened in my own home town the other day
http://www.kcra.com/news/local-news/new ... index.html

How the hell is this even a reality, or a thing? Guys driving around abducting kids for god knows what purposes. This seems to happen a lot in California.
I mean we heard tales of this growing up but it seems so common. thankfully the girl escaped luckily

That's awful! Yet, according to those numbers from the FBI, it will happen about 8,999 more times this year in America. No way in heck my girls are ever walking to school, which is a shame because I hate being a helicopter parent.

Thinking about this thread, I can't help but remember one of Jeff's old posts where he quoted Hunter S. Thompson (a man who might have known a thing or two):

"The Autumn months are never a calm time in America. Back to Work, Back to School, Back to Football Practice, etc. ... Autumn is a very Traditional period, a time of strong Rituals and the celebrating of strange annual holidays like Halloween and Satanism and the fateful Harvest Moon, which can have ominous implications for some people.

Autumn is always a time of Fear and Greed and Hoarding for the winter coming on. Debt collectors are active on old people and fleece the weak and helpless. They want to lay in enough cash to weather the known horrors of January and February. There is always a rash of kidnapping and abductions of school children in the football months. Pre-teens of both sexes are traditionally seized and grabbed off the streets by gangs of organized Perverts."

http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=891226

Is it a little bit strange that Amanda Knight was taken on August 23, 2002. That date is just over a week from Labor Day, the unofficial beginning of Autumn. It looks like Mr. Thompson wasn't too far off the mark.

In 2011 Nigerian police raided a number of "baby farms", where young teen girls were shackled and being forced to get pregnant and deliver babies. In fact just google "Nigeria raid baby factory" and it seems like every month they're finding these house of horrors. For what purpose?

Human trafficking is widespread in West Africa, where children are bought from their families to work in plantations, mines and factories or as domestic help.

Ok, that's pretty fucked up. But it can't get any more evil can it?

Others are sold into prostitution

Ugh

tortured or sacrificed in black magic rituals.

Christ.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22484318

And the other month 32 pregnant teens were found in a baby factory
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/15/n ... in-a-week/

If the CIA linked crack cocaine yarn had mid and low level street pushers running around flooding inner cities with that poison in the 1980's...one has to wonder
if all of the strange kidnappings are merely for their own sickness; or if there's (as Brett Easton Ellis wrote about in his book The Informers) middle men.

Its mainstream news that elites in Portugal were involved in child kidnapping and prostitution. And elements of the UN and Dyncorp were running heavy duty underage sex slavery rings in Bosnia and Africa.
It's not a stretch to think, perhaps there are truths to cases like Belgium's Dutroiux and such. It's a deep state conspiracy topic that is the most unbelievable but time and time again we keep getting mainstream reports of this stuff.