Las Vegas Shooting Spree, June 2014

[JackRiddler]

This is the guy who maneuvered himself into being the best-known "leader" of the 9/11 truth movement. And you guys wonder why that went wrong?

There is no getting around this: To say you are in the current-day "patriot movement" is, in fact, to align yourself with avowedly racist and fascist groupings, even if you yourself don't emphasize that element of it. Even if you're too dense to understand that these are the people you are hooking up with; get in line, there are millions of those. To be at the Cliven Bundy ranch protest? Ditto! Keeping in mind also we are in a time when the most common form of expressing racism in public begins with, "I'm not a racist, but...", or "I reject dividing us by race, because we should all be fighting against the..."

This action was absolutely political. That does not make it any less incoherent or subject to the ambient confusionism, an ideological specialty in which Alex Jones excels. I see no big contradiction in the combination of messages the couple put out in their online presence.

(Confusionism has become the post-reality norm, for example with the discovery of "crisis actors" everywhere where it would make no sense whatsoever to find them; the doubts are largely based on "what I think it would have looked like if...", "how I think people are supposed to react if...", etc. etc.)

What if we start from the premise that they were meatheads first and last, and that they have bought into false-equivalence, post-label, post-reality panic ideologies of the kind put out by Jones, which are also very much present on RI? In the reigning confusionism, everything's the problem, as long as it's not the (visible) daily operation of real-existing corporate capitalism combined with statist authoritarianism. "The NWO" and "Obama's unprecedented tyranny" substitute as the confusionist tropes for these two ideas. Now add some apocalyptic encouragements to propaganda of the deed, romance the fucking arsenals of firearms as though these represent "freedom," strike some heroic poses...

How many thousands of people use their god-bestowed, beautiful, freedom-making firearms to just kill themselves? It's no wonder, given how this country is, that increasing numbers choose to do it this way.

[JackRiddler]

Stochastic terrorism is the use of mass communications to incite random actors to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are statistically predictable but individually unpredictable. In short, remote-control murder by lone wolf.

This is what occurs when Bin Laden releases a video that stirs random extremists halfway around the globe to commit a bombing or shooting.

This is also the term for what Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, and others do. And this is what led directly and predictably to a number of cases of ideologically-motivated murder similar to the Tucson shootings. As of this writing, there is no evidence to link Jared Loughner to a specific source of incitement; but some of the other cases can be clearly linked.

The stochastic terrorist is the person who is responsible for the incitement. For example they go on radio or television and stir up hatred toward a particular person or group.

The random actor, or "lone wolf" as the term is used in law enforcement and intel, is the person who responds to the incitement by carrying out the violent or terrorist act against the target person or group. For example they shoot someone or detonate a bomb. While their action may have been statistically predictable (e.g. "given sufficient provocation, someone will probably do such-and-such"), the specific person and the specific act are not yet predictable.

http://stochasticterrorism.blogspot.com

Without the term, this is how the Hutu Power radio incitements of 1994 were viewed in retrospect. It's one reason why Julius Streicher was among those hanged at Nuremberg. It's the U.S. government's sole justification for murdering Al-Awlaki (though they say nothing about his son, of course), who was never accused of participation in anything other than spoken incitements.

[Hunter]

Stochastic terrorism is the use of mass communications to incite random actors to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are statistically predictable but individually unpredictable. In short, remote-control murder by lone wolf.

This is what occurs when Bin Laden releases a video that stirs random extremists halfway around the globe to commit a bombing or shooting.

This is also the term for what Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, and others do. And this is what led directly and predictably to a number of cases of ideologically-motivated murder similar to the Tucson shootings. As of this writing, there is no evidence to link Jared Loughner to a specific source of incitement; but some of the other cases can be clearly linked.

The stochastic terrorist is the person who is responsible for the incitement. For example they go on radio or television and stir up hatred toward a particular person or group.

The random actor, or "lone wolf" as the term is used in law enforcement and intel, is the person who responds to the incitement by carrying out the violent or terrorist act against the target person or group. For example they shoot someone or detonate a bomb. While their action may have been statistically predictable (e.g. "given sufficient provocation, someone will probably do such-and-such"), the specific person and the specific act are not yet predictable.

http://stochasticterrorism.blogspot.com

Without the term, this is how the Hutu Power radio incitements of 1994 were viewed in retrospect. It's one reason why Julius Streicher was among those hanged at Nuremberg. It's the U.S. government's sole justification for murdering Al-Awlaki (though they say nothing about his son, of course), who was never accused of participation in anything other than spoken incitements.

It is a handy term around RI parts, I just found it myself recently. Now we can call this shit what it is. It is interesting that the shooter in this case is the called the RANDOM ACTOR and the guy claiming it as being staged, Alex Jones, is possibly the guy causing it, the stochastic terrorist. IS THIS WHAT ALEX MEANS BY STAGED!?!?!

Could AJ possibly be the on the fucking pay roll as one of the official deep state/psiwar stachostic terrorists?



As an aside can anyone explain to me what STAGED means in their loony minds because I dont understand it. I know you guys dont think it s staged but what exactly does Jones mean when he says it. Did Harry Reid contact these kids and talk them in to going on a shooting spree, is that what staged means?

Here is what I understand.

There is a mother and father that is grieving the loss of their daughter, she is dead she is a real human being. I have seen the parents on FB. Both of these kids moved to Nevada a few months ago and they are now dead. So what does staged mean, did some CIA guy come and whisper some magical words in their ears back in Indiana and this somehow made them go to Nevada and do this shooting. I mean really I just dont understand what staged means when you actually have these two people dead. Where they kidnapped put in the back of Walmart and killed while other actors perpetrated the klllings. Is that what staged means, I just dont understand it. I havent seen it yet but the Walmart video of the incident has been released according to CNN a bit ago.

He also a run with cops in Vegas when he called the DMV and ranted and raved that he would shoot anyone who tried to take his license. Cops came and talked to him and nothing came of it.

[JackRiddler]

By the way, I didn't post that as advocacy for a legal category, or agreement on every example given therein. We know how a legal definition of "stochastic terrorism" or generalized incitement would be applied, and where it would end up, predictably: at state terrorism.

[Hunter]

No, I understand Jack, in some twisted sense they could easily use that against anyone, even a message board poster. I understand fully. Just saying in the case of AJ et al is certainly gives us something to consider what he might be doing and on purpose.

[Hunter]

This is the guy who maneuvered himself into being the best-known "leader" of the 9/11 truth movement. And you guys wonder why that went wrong?

There is no getting around this: To say you are in the current-day "patriot movement" is, in fact, to align yourself with avowedly racist and fascist groupings, even if you yourself don't emphasize that element of it. Even if you're too dense to understand that these are the people you are hooking up with; get in line, there are millions of those. To be at the Cliven Bundy ranch protest? Ditto! Keeping in mind also we are in a time when the most common form of expressing racism in public begins with, "I'm not a racist, but...", or "I reject dividing us by race, because we should all be fighting against the..."

This action was absolutely political. That does not make it any less incoherent or subject to the ambient confusionism, an ideological specialty in which Alex Jones excels. I see no big contradiction in the combination of messages the couple put out in their online presence.

(Confusionism has become the post-reality norm, for example with the discovery of "crisis actors" everywhere where it would make no sense whatsoever to find them; the doubts are largely based on "what I think it would have looked like if...", "how I think people are supposed to react if...", etc. etc.)

What if we start from the premise that they were meatheads first and last, and that they have bought into false-equivalence, post-label, post-reality panic ideologies of the kind put out by Jones, which are also very much present on RI? In the reigning confusionism, everything's the problem, as long as it's not the (visible) daily operation of real-existing corporate capitalism combined with statist authoritarianism. "The NWO" and "Obama's unprecedented tyranny" substitute as the confusionist tropes for these two ideas. Now add some apocalyptic encouragements to propaganda of the deed, romance the fucking arsenals of firearms as though these represent "freedom," strike some heroic poses...

How many thousands of people use their god-bestowed, beautiful, freedom-making firearms to just kill themselves? It's no wonder, given how this country is, that increasing numbers choose to do it this way.

I remember Hunter S Thompson always used to say he didnt have a gun to protect himself from anyone he had it because it was the only thing that allowed him to get out of bed every morning knowing that he could end his life at anytime of his choosing with it.

[JackRiddler]

In case anyone's forgotten:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQt-dyPKzxA

See 4:47 forward.

[Hunter]

In case anyone's forgotten:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQt-dyPKzxA

See 4:47 forward.

Haha, yea I do remember that, didnt think of it till now though, good one. Dude aint right in the head is he? He is one angry mother fucker. I cant imagine being like that.

[jingofever]

As an aside can anyone explain to me what STAGED means in their loony minds because I dont understand it. I know you guys dont think it s staged but what exactly does Jones mean when he says it. Did Harry Reid contact these kids and talk them in to going on a shooting spree, is that what staged means?

I do not think Alex Jones actually believes these shootings have been "staged", at least not this one. He cannot come out and say that somebody took too seriously his constant warnings that the "globalists" are trying to kill us and that they are going to use the police to grab our guns, throw us in FEMA camps, and install a dictatorship.

Staged usually means a hoax of some sort. If the shooter exists then he is either an actor, a mind controlled patsy, or a Mossad hit squad. If the shooter does not exist or if he is an actor then the victims might not exist but if they do exist then they are also actors or their parents are actors pretending to grieve over their still living children. If the shooter is a patsy or Mossad then some of the victims might exist, others might be actors. The victims that really did exist and are now dead probably were going to release some damning information. I am not sure I have that exactly right, but it is all insane anyway. The Alex Jones as the Joker video reminds me of a line from The Dark Knight:

He's a paranoid schizophrenic, a former patient at Arkham. The kind of mind the Joker attracts.

[Hunter]

Thanks Jingo appreciate that. That is what I figured staged meant I just could never understand how you account for dead victims and perps in such a situation.

[jcivil]

Killing bad cops might be a public service.

Killing random people, cops or otherwise, can only heighten the power of the state.
(Well, unless you really kill a lot)

So they were nuts or state dupes or both.

[8bitagent]

I think we're dealing with more a psychological effect...not quite the Coleman CopyCat theory perhaps, but something. Maybe it's in the air.
I don't think any of these modern mass shootings are staged black ops, certainly not hoaxes. I don't know what to make of them.
The UC Santa Barbara shooting from recently happened in 2001(son of a tv director goes on killing rampage in his car, almost the same exact street area)
I see syncs, patterns, etc but it doesn't mean anything.

There's been 74 school shootings since Sandy Hook, and that's not even including public/mall/office shootings

[Hunter]

I have been laid up all week after some minor knee surgery to repair some damaged cartilage from probably about 20 years ago during my college football days and I have really enjoyed the discussion around here, just wanted to thank you all for that. Horrible subject but really enjoyed discussing and analyzing it all with you folks at a time when it was just what the Dr ordered. RI, still the best place for quality discussion. Lets keep it that way and set aside all the bad vibes that have taken over the place lately.

[Hunter]

I think we're dealing with more a psychological effect...not quite the Coleman CopyCat theory perhaps, but something. Maybe it's in the air.
I don't think any of these modern mass shootings are staged black ops, certainly not hoaxes. I don't know what to make of them.
The UC Santa Barbara shooting from recently happened in 2001(son of a tv director goes on killing rampage in his car, almost the same exact street area)
I see syncs, patterns, etc but it doesn't mean anything.

There's been 74 school shootings since Sandy Hook, and that's not even including public/mall/office shootings

I wonder if it is really happening more often or we are just hearing about them now more often, I suspect the former, I dont recall it happening this frequently before, but as with a lot of things, with the internet we hear about things more now that have always been going on but we just didnt know about it, I dont know if that is the case with these spree shootings though, it does seem lately they are a lot more frequent. It is kind of scary, I mentioned before I lived one mile from where Loughner shot up the Safeway, I actually went to high school with Gabby (she is an incredible human being BTW and we lost a good one in DC that day), it is incredibly frightening when these things happen close to home like that, I fear for my wife when she is out shopping at the mall or whatever alone. I know it probably wont make a damn bit of difference but I am well trained, former military, and do carry concealed almost everywhere I go, it is just by habit now. I am no gun nut trust me on that, it just is what it is, I hope I would never have to use it but I feel better with it I will say that, in spite of how some may feel about guns I do feel better having one especially in the times we are living. It is legal to carry concealed here without a permit, as long as you are 21 and have no criminal background.

[Nordic]

I am growing more and more convinced that Alex Jones has become such a Useful Idiot that he's being deliberately used, and probably paid, to be the ultimate limited hangout and to be a true disinfo agent.

He's is incredibly effective in making anyone who researches real conspiracies look like a freak and a moron. Guilt by association, right?

If he wasn't being deliberately used, he would be ignored by the mainstream. He wouldn't have been going on Piers Morgan and shit like that.

One thing great about RI is that we usually ignore him. That's getting more difficult to do as he becomes more influential.