The Mandela Effect (Disappearing Braces in Moonraker)

[Searcher08]

Also, I can't believe the death of Arnold Palmer hasn't set off a new wave of this stuff. I mean, seriously? That guy wasn't dead yet?

Absolutely. I remember him being about 70 in the 1970s
He was actually 116 when he died again today.

[JackRiddler]

Ah! I missed BS with the most important post.

Though we're waiting for the scenes uploaded, heh heh.

So she loves him even though she has bright perfect teeth turns into... she loves him because she is like him with her hideous metallic mouth.

And it does so for many of us, obviously. Fascinating.

The difference now seems to be that ancient man didn't analyze his myths, he just lived by them (obeyed the gods rather than tried to dissect them in his lab and find out how they were created).

I shall contest this as an unproven (and probably unprovable assertion). How the hell do we know that Genesis or the column of turtles or the Cyclops and Demeter and Persephone were not understood to be metaphors among those who first told them -- and come to think of it, those who first devised them, for there would have been a very first created case for each, someone who knows (s)he's making it up (a) and only in the rarer cases thinks (s)he's in the possession of a god speaking through her. Now historically, leaving out the in-between periods ("medieval") but focusing only on the origins, I keep running across this philosopher's quote that what the original bards of these tales understood as didactic entertainment, allegory, or just plain entertainment was turned into the assumption that it had been taken as literal actual history by the more rationalist modern age -- or taken literally for actual history by modern fundamentalists. This is a meme but I've forgotten who from. Anyone see that, can point me to it? Now I'm curious to read more from this author.

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[82_28]

I don't receive the Mandela Effect with Arnold Palmer. In fact I distinctly remember being in the car across from one of his dealerships when Reagan was shot and it broke on the radio. Latrobe yo!

[dada]

Point being, it's not necessary to go all new age to recognize that there IS no demonstrable cut-off between perception and what's being perceived, and that our own lived experience indicates that a reality that is malleable, subject to change via interaction with consciousness, is far more likely than not.

I'm not certain, but I think we're saying here that the 'reality that is malleable' is what's being perceived, and 'consciousness' is perception.

If there is no demonstrable cut-off between them (I don't see one), then how can they interact? We have to draw a cut-off line. Or someone else will.

So who draws the line? Does the conscious will do it? If so, I say that is what needs to be 'dissected in the lab.'

When I dissect my will and look at it under the astro-scope, I find that I'm actually not acting as 'consciously,' as I thought, I'm acting from a bundle of unconscious motivations. If I'm going to 'consciously' draw the line, I need to be free of them. As impossible as it sounds, I need to find a way to act independently of the will, if I want to 'do' anything that isn't any different from sleepwalking.

And who acts independently of their will? Who cares? This is boring and too much effort. I'm not getting anything from a google search, there's no wiki article. Let's watch movies while texting each other, post pictures on social media. Buy stuff. Play pokemon.

[dada]

Now that I've chased all the humanoids away with talk of 'boring effort,' and they've gone back to their little distractions, I'll give the answer to the seemingly impossible, 'how does one act freely, independent of the 'conscious' will?

It's actually not difficult to do at all. The hard part is wanting to. If you've gotten that far, the rest is easy.

I'll explain how, with a quick story. Maybe you've heard this one before...

One day Professor Oak came running out of his lab, looking agitated.

"Oh no, this is terrible!" he said.

"What's the matter now, Professor?" Ash asked him, bemusedly.

"I was keeping a pokeball in a bottle. The pokeball opened accidentally, and a Psyduck popped out, and now Psyduck is stuck in the bottle! If the Psyduck grows too big, he'll die in there. How can I get the Psyduck out without breaking the bottle?"

"Gee, that's a tough one, Professor," said Ash, scratching his head, "let's go ask Paula from Earthbound. She's smart."

So they went to ask Paula.

"Paula, I was keeping a pokeball in a bottle..." began Professor Oak.

"Just break the bottle." Paula said without hesitating. (She's psychic, so she knew what he was going to say)

The end.

(For those of you who come from another dimension and don't know what a psyduck looks like, he looks like this)

psyduck.jpg

[guruilla]

Point being, it's not necessary to go all new age to recognize that there IS no demonstrable cut-off between perception and what's being perceived, and that our own lived experience indicates that a reality that is malleable, subject to change via interaction with consciousness, is far more likely than not.

I'm not certain, but I think we're saying here that the 'reality that is malleable' is what's being perceived, and 'consciousness' is perception.

If there is no demonstrable cut-off between them (I don't see one), then how can they interact? We have to draw a cut-off line. Or someone else will.

So who draws the line? Does the conscious will do it? If so, I say that is what needs to be 'dissected in the lab.'

When I dissect my will and look at it under the astro-scope, I find that I'm actually not acting as 'consciously,' as I thought, I'm acting from a bundle of unconscious motivations. If I'm going to 'consciously' draw the line, I need to be free of them. As impossible as it sounds, I need to find a way to act independently of the will, if I want to 'do' anything that isn't any different from sleepwalking.

And who acts independently of their will? Who cares? This is boring and too much effort. I'm not getting anything from a google search, there's no wiki article. Let's watch movies while texting each other, post pictures on social media. Buy stuff. Play pokemon.

and...

Do what thou wilt is the whole of the flaw.

Returning to the Topic at Hand, I received this today in an email (honest):

The Mandela Effect is eminently testable.  The folks at https://www.reddit.com/r/DimensionalJumping have devised several really easy experiments to *intervene* on ones personal timeline, they are much more straightforward than any, say, Wiccan ritual, requiring only some basic meditation skills (and I mean basic).  I've tried a couple of them, they do kinda work.  Yes, it's a form of low magick, but .... if you don't believe in the fundamental malleability of Reality, then there isn't really any danger, and if your experiment comes up null, all you've really lost is an hour of your time (less time than it takes to dredge up old Moonraker videos from your attic.)

I have to be clear that I view these methods as potential experiments that can show the malleability of reality in a *prospective* fashion.  It can't prove anything "scientifically", but it can demonstrate, on an individual basis (in the same way meditation does) certain provisional truths about the nature of our reality/realities.  An individual can undertake these experiments and discover, for themselves, that the results are null, and of course that's the end of it for that person.  I'm fine with people who have done that.  But to make fun of the concepts without ever testing them out, well...  that says a lot.  

[divideandconquer]

Call me stupid but I'm totally lost.

If the nature of reality is so malleable, why is it that this "Mandela effect" doesn't occur in our personal lives? Movies, deaths of celebrities, national events can all be manipulated to one degree or another, but if this effect is real it should occur in our own lives, shouldn't it? For instance, I know when all of my relatives, friends, etc. died. If someone misremembers, it's easy to check because there are people's personal records of that death: mass cards, diaries, obituaries, etc.

I don't get this parallel universe explanation when it's so easy to manipulate our collective memories, especially given digital technology, and the way the powers that be are trying to eliminate historical records/dumb us down as fast as they possibly can...even eliminating cursive handwriting so future generations will not be able to read historical documents for themselves.

I still go back to that quote, real or not, as the best explanation.

[Belligerent Savant]

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You're quite the adept at mental masturbation, dada. You seem to thorough enjoy your own verbal bukake.
I am in awe.

Re: guruilla's link to Dimensional Jumping:

Coincidentally (or not), an old friend of mine reached out to me just yesterday who I haven't communicated with in over a year; she's now an acupuncturist/physical therapist of sorts, though she initially obtained a PhD in Biology.
At one point our convo shifted to the topic of conversing with those no longer among us [way back in the day we often discussed such topics more regularly as she came from a family of "old school" Colombian 'witches' ("brujas") -- including stories of spirits invading a body during a group "out of body" session while one of the participants' 'soul' remained out of his body. It took a team of brujas to yank the invading spirit out and place the correct 'soul' back in his body. The personality differences during this period of 'body hijacking' were quite stark; he was a completely different person while this invading spirit possessed his body.. when she initially told me this story -- I was in my mid-20s then -- I had difficulty accepting it despite her earnestness in conveying it to me.]

Back to my point: she mentioned how she 'shifts' her consciousness to other realms/dimensions on occasion, and has even leveraged this ability to heal herself from a serious blood disorder she suffered from for many years (she claims she no longer suffers from any symptoms). Her method employs a combination of meditation and breathing techniques. Fascinating discussion, in any event.

I'll be sure to check out that reddit site when time allows.

[semper occultus]

...I think it might be down to all these quantum computers being booted up....they work by flipping between parallel universes or something...

[brekin]

Call me stupid but I'm totally lost.

If the nature of reality is so malleable, why is it that this "Mandela effect" doesn't occur in our personal lives? Movies, deaths of celebrities, national events can all be manipulated to one degree or another, but if this effect is real it should occur in our own lives, shouldn't it? For instance, I know when all of my relatives, friends, etc. died. If someone misremembers, it's easy to check because there are people's personal records of that death: mass cards, diaries, obituaries, etc.

I don't get this parallel universe explanation when it's so easy to manipulate our collective memories, especially given digital technology, and the way the powers that be are trying to eliminate historical records/dumb us down as fast as they possibly can...even eliminating cursive handwriting so future generations will not be able to read historical documents for themselves.
I still go back to that quote, real or not, as the best explanation.

I'm with you on this one. I could see a family, town, etc all misremembering someones death, but again that is why we have records. I think there are two versions of the Mandela effect people are discussing/conflating, mass misremembrances based on impressions (he's still alive? wasn't that chuck norris and not Van damme in the movie, etc) and parallel universe leakage.
Which for the latter, this documentary from the Centers for Space Time Control explains:

[guruilla]

Call me stupid but I'm totally lost.

If the nature of reality is so malleable, why is it that this "Mandela effect" doesn't occur in our personal lives? Movies, deaths of celebrities, national events can all be manipulated to one degree or another, but if this effect is real it should occur in our own lives, shouldn't it? For instance, I know when all of my relatives, friends, etc. died. If someone misremembers, it's easy to check because there are people's personal records of that death: mass cards, diaries, obituaries, etc.

I don't get this parallel universe explanation when it's so easy to manipulate our collective memories, especially given digital technology, and the way the powers that be are trying to eliminate historical records/dumb us down as fast as they possibly can...even eliminating cursive handwriting so future generations will not be able to read historical documents for themselves.

I still go back to that quote, real or not, as the best explanation.

Thanks; it wasn't meant as a prank but as an experiment, & I "believed" every word & still do. But this doesn't have to be reduced to an either/or question, does it?

I think a vast number of seemingly "paranormal" phenomena are being orchestrated via technological and psychological means, and hence are better filed under the category of "mundane deception and manipulation" (even though many of these methods are probably indistinguishable to us from magic(k)). I also think actual "paranormal" phenomena (consciousness directly affecting matter, reality being malleable, etc) occurs, all the time, in ways both large and small, and both consciously directed and unconsciously manifested. I may not have any Mandela Effect memories of resurrecting relatives, but I have countless ones of disappearing/reappearing objects, incongruities of memories, and so on, add to which the distinct possibility that, if major such discrepancies did occur, our brains, or whatever, may be hardwired to "forget" them and paper over the cracks so it seems as though no "dimension hop" has occurred.

Lastly, to compound the systematic chaos still further, one of the aims of the first class of manipulated "hallucinations" and/or staged events/media hoaxes, etc, may be to hack into the collective unconscious in such a way as to harness our latent "psychic" potential to alter reality. As with Whitley's alien encounters and so many of the UFO experiences, it's not possible to place them on either side of the line separating actual-otherworldly from human confabulation/manipulation (or for that matter, hallucination, since there are physical traces).

In the face of such manipulated liminality (structured anti-structure), being "totally lost" is probably a sign of intelligence, not stupidity.

[brekin]

I think a vast number of seemingly "paranormal" phenomena are being orchestrated via technological and psychological means, and hence are better filed under the category of "mundane deception and manipulation" (even though many of these methods are probably indistinguishable to us from magic(k)). I also think actual "paranormal" phenomena (consciousness directly affecting matter, reality being malleable, etc) occurs, all the time, in ways both large and small, and both consciously directed and unconsciously manifested. I may not have any Mandela Effect memories of resurrecting relatives, but I have countless ones of disappearing/reappearing objects, incongruities of memories, and so on, add to which the distinct possibility that, if major such discrepancies did occur, our brains, or whatever, may be hardwired to "forget" them and paper over the cracks so it seems as though no "dimension hop" has occurred.

Lastly, to compound the systematic chaos still further, one of the aims of the first class of manipulated "hallucinations" and/or staged events/media hoaxes, etc, may be to hack into the collective unconscious in such a way as to harness our latent "psychic" potential to alter reality. As with Whitley's alien encounters and so many of the UFO experiences, it's not possible to place them on either side of the line separating actual-otherworldly from human confabulation/manipulation (or for that matter, hallucination, since there are physical traces).

In the face of such manipulated liminality (structured anti-structure), being "totally lost" is probably a sign of intelligence, not stupidity.

For sure. I've actually run into people not recall the terrorist David Copperfield (whose upbringing was chronicled by no less than the famous journalist Charles Dickens) when he vaporized the Statue of Liberty for all time, but think it was some type of "media prank".

[dada]

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You're quite the adept at mental masturbation, dada. You seem to thorough enjoy your own verbal bukake.
I am in awe.

Thanks. If you're being sincere and not passive-aggressive. It's tough to tell just from words on a screen.

I find the term 'mental masturbation' to be a put-down, and 'verbal bukkake' offensive. But maybe you meant them in an endearing way. Either way, they say more about you, than me. So I'm not too worried about it.

Believe it or not, though, you're wrong. I've come to realize that I'm not adept at much of anything, and in spite of appearances, I'm not 'enjoying' it. I'm just trying to figure things out in my own way, just like everybody else. I share my process here, which helps me learn and grow. It's about learning and growing, not 'getting off.' If you get something from it, too, that'd be neat. If not, and you want to be dismissive and explain me away to make yourself feel better, what can I do.

I'm here on the planet with you, here in the present moment, and here on RI. I try to not hold back, or pretend I'm something I'm not, try not to play the same old social games, try not to be scared of how my 'different' brain looks to others. Try to make it fun, add a bit of humor. Maybe I fail at that part, or it's misunderstood. I have a strange sense of humor.

What else is there to do? Go back to sleep? Time is moving forward. The past is gone. Memories are like snapshots in the mind. And we all know the magic that photoshop can do. The future doesn't exist. Anything can happen. This is my reality tunnel.

I write science fantasy stories. I have a rich imagination, I've put a lot of thought into all this stuff. Time travel, dimensions, that's science fantasy to me. If people want to live in a reality tunnel like that, I'm okay with that.

I think just as there are radio waves and wi-fi, there are other layers we don't detect. I have intuition that tries to scare me, and synchronicity that screams in my face for attention every day, but it's nothing special. That's just normal, everyday shit. I'm sure we'll find a way to explain all that sooner or later. Maybe thought really can travel faster than light.

[tapitsbo]

Was that Blake talking about bards enchanting the world with figurative language that later came to be taken literally?

[MayDay]

I have a photographic(ish) memory, especially for things I love, and I had the best memory of all of my peers as a child. I loved the berenstein bears, and no one can tell me it was ever spelled stain. That's ridiculous to me. Also, in my reality was Oscar Meyer, febreeze, jiffy, captain crunch, Interview with a vampire, not the, and the mr. rogers theme song is now completely changed, etc, etc, etc.. I just came across this theory (been avoiding this thread for some reason.) and the berenstein bears had me convinced immediately.

Is it really such a stretch for members of this forum to accept that there are alternate timelines, and that sometimes people can shift between them? I assume if you're reading this you presently inhabit the same reality that I just showed up in. I was elsewhere last week, and I noticed the shift. Now this comes comes to my awareness, just in time to explain what I thought was just me going crazy. Reality has proven to be just as malleable as I long suspected it to be. Those of you suggesting that it's a Psyop are clearly wrong. You can't change so many things, not in this manner. So many of my memories have proven false tonight, and somehow, I'm not even surprised.

Child of the 80's here, just to put age into context- I'm probably one of the youngest long time regular lurkers here.