Alien Abductions and the Monarch Project

[Joe Hillshoist]

Hugh -

Hmm, "greys with big eyes." Now how on Earth could that be?

What do you reckon this is?




Thats my own photo with some useless crap on the side cut off.

Pretty cool photo even if its blurry and hard to make out.

The only thing I did to this was cut lots of stuff out of the photo, the stuff I cut out was useless background.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

Since the work of Dr. Jacobs has entered the thread, I thought I'd post over in the Data Dump section, the transcript of a 1987 CBC 'Man Alive' episode that featured not only Dr. Jacobs but Budd Hopkins, Terence Dickenson, Prof. Allen Tuffs and a few other academics. If you were fortunate (and old enough) to have seen this broadcast, I have no doubt you well remember it.

Jacobs has done more work in the field of 'Alien Abduction' and has been at it longer than anyone else. And while I don't necessarily agree with his rather pessimistic conclusions, I do understand how he arrived at them. I also feel he is a man of integrity and intelligence and it is my opinion that those disparaging his work here are rather uneducated as to the history of the phenomenon.

CBC's Man Alive- The E.T. Hypothesis

From Dr. Jacobs...

A Personal Note:

I wrote most of the information on this web site based on more than 38 years of UFO research. In addition, since 1986 I have conducted nearly 900 hypnotic regressions with abductees. I have tried to be as objective and as "agenda free" as possible. I have no New Age, spiritual, religious, transformational, or transcendent program to promote. I try to stay as close to the evidence as I can. However, there is no possibility that I have avoided error. The majority of evidence for the alien abduction phenomenon is from human memory derived from hypnosis administered by amateurs. It is difficult to imagine a weaker form of evidence. But it is evidence and we have a great deal of it. Still, readers must be skeptical of what I say and of what all others say in this tangled arena of alien abductions, hypnosis, popular culture, and memory. Abduction researchers are mainly amateurs doing their best to get to the truth knowing that objective reality may elude them.

David M. Jacobs, Ph.D.

http://www.ufoabduction.com


~C

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

I dunno, Joe. Not quite enough data to go on.

I guess I should repeat that while my own 'gut' is that men are behind the 'abductions', there are those who've had some experience they can't explain. OK. It isn't explained.

But the development of cover for MK-ULTRA-style experimenting on people using drugs and hypnosis is a bigger problem with more substantial evidence than the unexplained experiences of some.

There's just way too many getting raped and molested during their 'abductions' for me to consider aliens from other planets to be a problem on par with what humans are doing to each other.

So that's my personal context for the topic, admittedly different from yours.

[Donovan]

“…Like many more sober investigators I have come to take seriously the notion that there are discrete intelligences at hand other than those housed in fleshly bodies, and that they interact with us in quite complex ways…” quote from Peter Levenda in post above by Shawnna.

Nine ‘discrete’ intelligences. ‘Discrete’ gives this away. This is pure cabala upon which all Western occult traditions are based. It goes way back and is even the basis of our ten digit (zero transformer here omitted) math system: 1,2,3,4, 5,6,7, 8, 9. These nine discrete powers/intelligences (or prime elements of emotion) themselves fall into three groups; group a- 0 and 1. (zero energy entering the ‘system’, 1 the physical result), b- 6 the central energy, and c- (seven in order 2,3,4,5,7,8 and 9 omitting ‘6’)

These ‘nine’ are common to the occult societies, German, English, French, American, all!

It was only in the 1930’s that there was some public publishing regarding the orders. (Regardie and such).

These ‘nine’ pattern themselves in a number of ways, all known, all accepted. One is the 10 centers (here zero used) and the 22 connecting paths. The Mason’s (those that do the real occult work) use for ‘degrees’ the ten centers, the 22 paths and add one more ‘over-riding’ degree for 33 degrees of Masonry. The Rosicrucians simply use the nine, (at times add an ‘honorary’ 10th. But it is all the same.

The other focus is the sequence that the ‘discrete’ forces act in producing a physical event. Here zero is raw unformed energy coming from outside. The energy ‘comes down the discrete planes in this order 9/8/7 (at this point it makes its closest connection to 6 but does not go through this) 5/4/3/2 to physical 1.

99.9 percent of occult training is refining these energies inside of you. “The map is not the territory”, good quote. Five, for example, is pure martial force. It is not the idea about it, it is the feeling itself. It might have the connotation of the God of Mars, the pentagon, the metal iron, the smell of sulfur, but it is a raw emotion that has a ‘vice’ of cruelty and a ‘virtue’ of discipline. This is best taught, not intellectually or even by the occultist, but by those who specialize in such training; the football coach and the drill instructor. In sequence this red/martial energy (5) sits between a nurturing Jupiter/Blue energy and a Venus/artistic4 energy. It is feminine to the one above, masculine to the one below. The green energy loves to be told what to do, “hurt me, beat me, make me write bad checks.” The ‘red’ can tell the ‘green’ anything and the red only demands. But the red can only make one demand (as it is passive) to the blue energy (7) above, “Tell me what to do.” At purest form this ‘5’ energy is discipline: “Right face”, or “You don’t move until the ball is hiked.”

Now these ‘discrete’ feelings are by a lens effect also prime powers of nature (Gods). Color codes are also used, Gold for the central 6 energy. The ‘header and footer’ to the seven forming energies are white/zero and Brown/1 (the physical result) The remaining seven in order are Gray, Black, Blue, Red, Green, Yellow, and Purple. They are naval codes also, (as most in intelligence services are Masons they are internationally understood). In the standard teaching map the ‘harsher energies of Black/Saturnian, Red/martial, and Yellow/touch are placed on the left (so sometimes overuse of this called the ‘left hand path’ i.e. ‘black magick’.) and what is seen as the more pleasant (Gray, Blue and Green) on the right.)

But the energies zig zag down in this pattern of seven called the ‘lighting flash’. This discrete jumping of these seven energies in that order is (in one respect) the sexual organism. Let me explain it in this way. In the event producing sequence the energy associated with ‘thinking’ (intellectual Mercury/3) is physical touch. It comes in sequence just before the ‘feeling of touch’, sensation or ‘purple 2’ If you want an example of pure purple it might be a phantom limb, the sensation of a limb that an amputee has, just that pure sensation, a sensation that is altered by Purple2/moon associated with reproduction/sexual organs.

The best example of the green energy (the artistic / creative / Venus 4 feeling) might be in holding back a laugh. Let us say you are ‘hit with a truth’. It comes down one discrete energy to another Gray/Black/Blue/Red/Green and wants to go to physical touch. That can only be produced by movement. So you simply increase (to produce more touch) what you are doing already, breathing…. Ha ha ha ha. If you need more physical touch you slap your knee as it is handy. In many ways the study of these energies is the study of the obvious but you can see the energy coming down to the yellow3 rub-rub-rub over the purple2 genital area as well.

Holding back a laugh (not allowing it to go to Yellow/3/mercurial touch (ha ha or slap) is the feeling of green/Venus/4. Refined within you it is also outside all through nature as a prime force or 'god/goddess'.

Years of training go into refining the core seven of these (nine). It is not intellectual training.

And, of course, one problem is that you are dealing with fairly pure and therefore volatile prime forces. Sex is one way of releasing the built up energy. Killing is another. This is not often talked about.

This is exactly what produces serial killers. An unbalanced person might kill once in some confused passion, but the rush of energy is unexpected and compels them to kill again. This is referred to in literature at times, touched on lightly. Let’s see. Oh, yes, there is the scene from The Godfather wherein Michael has just killed the police captain in the restaurant. He drops the gun, as instructed, and walks to the car. As he gets in he exclaims, “My God, it is just like sex!”

And of course (as he knew of the seven sequential energies above) there is The Seven Pillars Of Wisdom. But that is even in the movie version, Lawrence of Arabia with Peter O’Toole. There the remark is made to the general, who? Allenby, yes, General Allenby. O’Toole tries to explain why he does not want to go back, talks of the killing. Allenby makes some remark and Peter O’Toole exclaims something like, “..But, sir, you don’t understand. I enjoyed it.”

(Fitting that Dr. John Mack, the abduction investigator won his writing awards for a psychological paper on Lawrence !)

These are some of the reasons why the occult has been kept hidden. But in this day and age something else seems to be happening. The ‘new age’ has first ‘swept away’ the standard mystical order training seemingly in preparation for the masses to take up the training on a finer arc. Those in the occult orders were always worried about the knowledge getting out to the unrefined, those not able to handle the energies. Well, a reading of the types of material on these boards show that those so trained have been misusing it themselves big time: that it is best that all the former ‘occult’ knowledge go to the masses. Obviously the rulers have mishandled the energy. Will there be ‘accidents’ or ‘risks’ with this knowledge going public? Of course there will. But in any area of pioneering there are those acceptable risks. What is occurring now at top is not acceptable.

I most certainly agree with Shawnna above that, “that no one group - be it religious, societal or otherwise - has THE answer to the nature of your/our existence….” Well said. And also agree with Shawnna as she states, “The truth is within you.” Yes. The way out is the way in. And the way in is the way out.

Eventually these energies who ‘snake’, wind back and forth in the ‘lightning path’ of discrete energies that flow down to a physical result will be studied openly by all. It is for no unlearned reason that the symbol for the balancing of these energies as they ‘lightning flash’ or ‘snake’ down together properly is also our symbol for health: the caduceus.

(another brief overview in www.midcaost.com/~michael1 . Scroll down to ‘book’. )

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Jacobs has done more work in the field of 'Alien Abduction' and has been at it longer than anyone else.

This charlatan cites Budd Hopkins as a major influence on his work with lots of personal guidance from Hopkins. I wonder of ole Budd hypnotised Jacobs, fer cryin' out loud.
That would explain Jacobs ability to seem sincere while peddling such crap.

And while I don't necessarily agree with his rather pessimistic conclusions, I do understand how he arrived at them. I also feel he is a man of integrity and intelligence and it is my opinion that those disparaging his work here are rather uneducated as to the history of the phenomenon.

Think. Jacobs uses hypnotism.
Yet he doesn't ever admit that hypnotism might've been used on the so-called abductees, does he? He only ascribes the 'special powers' which just happen to perfectly match drugs and especially hypnotism to ALIENS.
Doesn't that tell you something?

And here's the rest of your previous post to drive my point home-

From Dr. Jacobs...

A Personal Note:

I wrote most of the information on this web site based on more than 38 years of UFO research. In addition, since 1986 I have conducted nearly 900 hypnotic regressions with abductees. I have tried to be as objective and as "agenda free" as possible. I have no New Age, spiritual, religious, transformational, or transcendent program to promote. I try to stay as close to the evidence as I can. However, there is no possibility that I have avoided error. The majority of evidence for the alien abduction phenomenon is from human memory derived from hypnosis administered by amateurs. It is difficult to imagine a weaker form of evidence. But it is evidence and we have a great deal of it. Still, readers must be skeptical of what I say and of what all others say in this tangled arena of alien abductions, hypnosis, popular culture, and memory. Abduction researchers are mainly amateurs doing their best to get to the truth knowing that objective reality may elude them.

David M. Jacobs, Ph.D.

Now Jacobs is either REALLY BLIND to the possibility of hypnosis CREATING the 'abductions' or he's a CRIMINAL ACCOMPLICE.

Either way, he's fucking dangerous to very vulnerable people who have been messed with and traumatized.

From his 'Secret Life,' page 323-

Questioning Techniques:

Disentangling "legitimate" information from unreliable memories involves techniques calculated to produce an understanding of the structure of the abduction and a recognition of the anomalies within it. But this is not easy. The most systematic method is patient and thorough questioning, minutely examining every little detail and going over every minor contradiction and gap in the account no matter how irrelevent it might seem, in a second-by-second chronological order.

But the problem of confused memory is complicated by the fact that not only is the abductee usually in a hypnotic trance while recalling her memories, but she was also in an altered state of consciousness during the abduction itself. Furthermore, complex mental procedures might have been executed on her that further clouded her perceptions and placed pseudo-images and "memories" in her mind.

Oh, well. That can only be 'aliens,' right? Not the same hypnosis. Naaawww.
My gawd, those poor people. Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Handlers catch and contain those who might almost 'remember,' don't they?
Yes. They do. Jacobs is playing for the False Memory Syndrome Foundation agenda along with the late Dr. Mack and others.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Its an out of focus close up of a preying mantis that lived in our house for a while.

It has a large flat triangular head and a pair of large eyes, very similar to the image of the grey alien. The rest of the pic was just wire mesh from the window.

The buzzing of insects is imo similar to the buzzing T McKenna refers to as the "Ripping of the entelechy" or whatever it is.

Before that one unexplainable experience I thought all UFO?alien abduction stuff was either due to tryptamine based psychedelics or human activity or some combination of both.

These days I am still mostly of that opinion.

But the development of cover for MK-ULTRA-style experimenting on people using drugs and hypnosis is a bigger problem with more substantial evidence than the unexplained experiences of some.

There's just way too many getting raped and molested during their 'abductions' for me to consider aliens from other planets to be a problem on par with what humans are doing to each other.

I agree with you on that.

Although to be honest the actual feeling I had at the onset of my experience was one of an incredible violation. I haven't been raped or molested so I don't know what that feels like, but the experience I had felt pretty wrong. Then again, I fought it off, whatever it was, so my reaction to this is one of a positive nature.

I suspect that the victims of Mk Ultra and of any abuse don't have that luxury. And thats an appalling thing to do to someone.

John Shirley, in an interview in 21c magazine (an issue with him on the cover) claimed to have seen documents referring to french intel attempts to convince someone they had been abducted, using early 90s tech.

The actual bit isn't onl;ine but it was probably part of this issue:

http://www.darkecho.com/JohnShirley/jsinter21.html

This is a quote from some of it that you may or may not enjoy.

The fringe becomes the mainstream sometimes. Even where it doesn't become the mainstream, the social organism feeds from the fringe in some way. It's like a starfish. You have these weird little tendrils on the exterior of its body that takes in little bits of things and eventually it metabolizes the little pieces into the heart. The social organism is almost that cohesive and organic. It's horrible to contemplate sometimes how much like little cells in this amorphous social organism we are. But when you're in a high place looking down on the corpuscular movement of cars down the arteries of the freeway, the analogy can't be missed.

RU: What about the possibility that the cooptation of all these hipster themes by advertising could be another part of that MK ULTRA social control brainwashing experiment you were talking of earlier?

JS: Well, I don't think they've got it that together in the intelligence circles.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Jacobs: ...academics, and other scientists must be EXTREMELY careful because there is a tremendous amount of ridicule attached to this subject. Starting in the 1970's, we began to receive large numbers of abduction reports. The abduction reports are I think extremely important. They are basically reports that people claim would have us believe that they were... grabbed so to speak by occupants, they were given a physical examination of some sort, and then released.
.....

Budd Hopkins: I have worked with 124 people to date who I feel have either had... definitely seem to have had this kind of abduction experience, the experience which most interests me. Of those people, 66 have remembered a full account.

In the 1970s the pop paperbooks on crop circles and 'ancient astronauts' poured out into the hands of high-school students and college kids along with occult imagery from The Exorcist. Then 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind' and 'Star Wars.'

And just as MK-ULTRA was being revealed in Senate hearings. CIA director William Colby angrily insisted that "we stopped all that back in the 60s." Yeah, right.

MK-ULTRA roiled from the 1950s on through today. The SF Bay area has New Age-ey groups that are perfect for shark-like spooks to cruise amongst the happy trusting seals. I know of one in particular that puts out an expensive shiny periodical with inviting articles about "trance medium therapy." What a perfect 'medium' for scooping up the naive believers. San Francisco has been a human testing grounds for the CIA for decades.

I think of Estabrooks and Gittinger and Bryant when I read "We are not alone!"
On it goes.

[LilyPatToo]

I hope it hasn't already been posted here, but if you go and read http://www.philipcoppens.com/ufogate.html this link, you'll be given a time-frame in which to place some of the speculation about the intel agencies' meddling in UFOs/alien abduction. Be sure to begin at the first of Coppens' articles, "Extra-terrestrial intelligence or terrestrial intelligence agencies?" and read them all.

Phillip Coppens does research for other writers, mostly, and I find it fascinating to discern the apparent cherry-picking that they seem to do with what he finds....ie. what fits their own pet theory is bought and what's left he pubishes quietly on his website. Personally, I find that rejected info MUCH more interesting than the bits that his big-name clients are publishing widely and everyone in the UFO/alien abduction field is swallowing whole.

The more I learn of the approximate timeline for UFOs (and the abduction of human beings) and the developement of black budget mind control technology that was capable of things like placing a human voice inside a mind or erasing memory, the more certain I am that most "alien abductions" are performed by spooks and not little gray guys

Standard disclaimer: I do NOT believe that all alien abductions are mind control related and I do NOT believe that all UFOs are sightings of black budget technology. But I DO believe that many of both in the US are human instigated.

LilyPat

[Joe Hillshoist]

Cheers lilypat

I went back and reread a fair bit of Dark White, by jim Schnabel last night.

Its strange rereading it through a filter that was looking for MC themes.

You could almost re write the whole book in a context of MC and come to very different conclusions than Schnabel or they people he talks about, specifically Hopkins and Jacobs and Mack.

many oif the abductees report sexual experiences, seeing each other and humans being present during some ordeals. So easy to reinterpret that info as a MC program.

the presence of UN figures, a Lichtenstein Prince, a nordic character "Stephen" who kidnaps and rapes victims... "Secret service" agents with a similar agenda.. Coppens touches on this with the new york abduction of Linda Napolitano. Very like an MC project if you choose to view it as such.

The whole book was rife with sus stuff.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Oh Hugh about that john Shirley thing, he actually refers to jacques Vallee seeing the documents from french Intel, tho i thought he had seen them himself.

oops

[Donovan]

Thank you, Lily Pat. I read the entire link. (had to cut and paste out as it went off page).

The Gulf Breeze Six was for me the most interesting. That is one where I feel there were two sets of players, government and something else, the six being the playing field.

I think it was Vallee, but there was an early report and he started to see the activities of government. He met someone in a bar to discuss this. He asked why. His friend/contact stated that the phenomena was messing with the formula for ruler-ship itself.

UFOs have now become personal with the giant spread of orbs. Not orbs in the sky but in your living room and bedroom or out in the yard. They start to appear in digital camera pictures, then in the flashes (and on film) as the picture is taken, then right there; just like little pets (though not yet determined who is the pet of who !). This new ‘personal’ ufo is often accompanied by dreams of larger UFOs. UFO has just gone Netflix. Order in dream-time, shipped next day.

[orz]

But orbs have been totally debunked now tho I thought? Even most 'ghosthunters' seem to be sick of them and realise that they're just out of focus dust particles close to the lens, illuminated by the flash which in modern, more compact cameras is much closer to the lens than ever before...

just like little pets (though not yet determined who is the pet of who !). This new ‘personal’ ufo is often accompanied by dreams of larger UFOs.

This is an interesting concept tho!

[Joe Hillshoist]

Order in dream-time, shipped next day.

he he.

Mushrooms and UFOs go hand in hand.

I dreamt of a UFO landing in the paddock once and the next morning the exact spot was full of fairy rings and clumps of Gold Tops.

Took some and had one of those trips that is so like a contact experience, but far weirder, far far weirder, the real weirdness started after a joyride in a giant UFO.
I got the impression afterward that the net was already self aware...


The first classical abduction thing I ever experienced was on shrooms as well. It was a classic grey/white big black eyes standing around me as if lying on an operating table. I thought to myself "If I hadn't just taken all those mushrooms i would have sworn that I had been kidnapped by aliens."

This caused me to crack up laughing, and the whole alien thing I was experiencing disappeared like a shattering mirror. The classic abduction experiences on shrooms seem v different to the "contact" ones tho. The classical experience seems more like a movie than an interactive event.

The contact thing, well if there is anything in it, i have some interdimensional friends who drop round every now and then and invite me on an intergalactic joy ride.

That self indulgent trip report could mean nothing in this case but ....

In 1955 the CIA had sought Wasson's co-operation, having become aware of initial publications concerning the hallucinogenic mushrooms. Their interest was in the possible military applications of the fungi. Wasson refused. The CIA would not take no for an answer and so successfully planted one of their operatives, James Moore, on the next expedition that Wasson had organised. It was only in 1979, when certain covert CIA activities were revealed, that Wasson learnt that Moore had played this role.

http://www.psychedelics.com/psilocybe/


AND

Dr. Hofmann enthusiastically accepted Heim's invitation and quickly began the arduous task of isolating the active principles. Also at about this time, unknown to Dr. Hofmann, James Moore -- who had claimed to be a chemist from the University of Delaware -- was working to isolate the mushrooms' actives. His intentions, however, were different from those of Dr. Hofmann's.

In 1956, Moore, who was in reality a CIA operative specializing in the synthesis of psychoactive and chemical weapons for the CIA, offered R. Gordon Wasson a $2,000 grant from the agency's front group, The Geschikter Foundation, and invited himself along on Wasson's next expedition. Wasson, like Dr. Hofmann, had no idea as to Moore's true identity. Moore was hoping to obtain samples of the mushrooms, isolate their active principles and provide the CIA with some new "mind-control" toys.

from

http://www.stainblue.com/ah.html



I have always found that little connection interesting.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Oh and this:

George Hunter White a high-ranking US narcotics official who tested LSD on unwitting American citizens at the behest of the CIA. "It was fun, fun, fun," said White. "Where else could a red-blooded American lie, kill, cheat, and rape with the sanction of the all-highest?"

from the bottom of here:

http://www.levity.com/aciddreams/whoswho.html

[Attack Ships on Fire]

Hugh, you raise an interesting point comparing photos of men wearing World War I gas masks to reports of the standard Gray alien. Nevertheless, your theory doesn't address inconsistencies like why it would take 40 years before "sightings" of Greys started to enter the mainstream; why people choose to report Grey-like creatures that seem to average around 3-4 feet in height, have no hair or ears (if your theory is supposed to mean that Gray aliens are supposed to have no or very little of a mouth due to the gas mask obscuring a man's mouth); and why people that fought in a world war went back home to their respective countries and saw different creatures besides Grays.

It's an interesting theory but you'll need to add to it before you can start to sway me.

And for the record, I too think that not all alien abductions are by non-human intelligences. The two questions I put to you Hugh: even if a handful of abductions are by off-world creatures, don't you think that a) this would be known by the human groups performing abductions and that b) the fact that non-humans are here and interacting with some humans has huge ramifications for the planet as a whole as well as the agenda that secret organizations have?

That humans are capable of horrible cruelty to each other and the creatures on this planet isn't under fire, but just because it goes on doesn't diminish the seriousness of non-human agencies also having their hidden agendas for Earth.