Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

[MacCruiskeen]

WR, Burnt Hill had already lied twice, and I provided the link to prove it. I do not lightly accuse people of lying.

Incident Reports are narratives that get filed by officers involved, and in most states, they can also be filed on behalf of citizens. Debriefing Reports are actually different animals, a document created as the result of a source interview.

That's a confident assertion of a possibly-important bureaucratic distinction, WR. But are we expected to just take your word for it? I don't take your word for it. There is too much of that about. Where is the evidence to support that assertion?

Google search results for "debriefing report"

for police debriefing report

for florida police debriefing report

for police incident report versus debriefing report

^^first two results are from the uk, the next two from australia...

Et cetera.

None of these searches produced any relevant result whatsoever.

I tried!

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So I don't see any way for an ordinary mortal to check your assertion that there is such a difference, if there is in fact such a difference at all.

But maybe I'm missing something. And if you're party to some occult inside knowledge of the workings of the Orlando Police Dept, I think we should be told. Are you quoting from a book? If so, which book? Or did you work there yourself? Please let us know how you know the exact difference between an Incident Report and a Debriefing Report in Orlando, if you do, and why it matters, if it does.

The kind of information you're lamenting the glaring absence of -- ie, verbatim transcripts from witness interviews

Nope. What I actually complained of was that many of the officers' reports were simply missing (e.g. nos. 22-35), and that only Officer O'Malley (no. 36) reported even trying to obtain a description of the shooter(s) from any of the survivors, he too without success.

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Meanwhile: Over three weeks after the massacre, no survivor and no police officer present at the scene of the crime (including the two named cops & the security guard who had two separate close-range "shootouts" with the shooter) has yet given even the vaguest physical description of the shooter(s), much less identified him as Omar Mateen (deceased).

And no one has heard the voice of the alleged shooter (who allegedly spoke on the phone with the cops for around 28 minutes in total) least of all Omar Mateen's wife, who has now vanished.

[MacCruiskeen]

Is San Bernardino still an "ongoing investigation"? (Although the alleged culprits are both dead)

Is Boston still an "ongoing investigation"? (Although one alleged culprit is dead and the other is now rotting on Death Row).

Is 9/11 still an "ongoing investigation"?

What about JFK?

[MacCruiskeen]

2:50-3:17: Orlando SWAT Team commander Captain Mark Canty gives his first-hand account of how and where his team killed the shooter ("in the hallway between the two bathrooms", "about 10-15 feet away from us":



("So that's where he was taken down?" "Yeah." "In the hallway?" "Yeah".)

Unfortunately this is different from the account given by Orlando Police Chief John Mina himself, who describes how the shooter emerged from a hole in the wall into the yard, guns blazing:



^^Weirdly, the sound has been disabled on that clip. If anyone can find a still-functioning version, please post it.

This too is now silent:

With a goal of breaching the exterior wall of the bathroom where Mateen was last seen, police set up a controlled explosion. Dozens of additional clubgoers were able to escape through the hole in the wall, Mina told the AP.

Mateen exited the building through the same hole and died after exchanging fire with the officers, Mina said.

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/ ... ils_g.html

[Wombaticus Rex]

I do not lightly accuse people of lying

I don't imagine you do anything lightly, seems to be a very Sturm und Drang operation you've got going there.

Per the reports, I only know because I've been party to both; although not in Florida, thank my lucky fuck.

I'm not particularly surprised that you ain't finding a ton of google results about criminal investigation procedures - are you?

One of the more successful authors in my family took quite a number of courses on forensics and investigations, when he started writing mystery novels -- I don't mention that because it rubbed off on me, just suggesting you could do the same, given your interests. Used textbooks are cheap on Amazon and they'd get you up to speed on nomenclature and procedures faster than, you know...expecting us to prove everything to you on the killing fields of Google SERPs.

[MacCruiskeen]

expecting us to prove everything to you

ah c'mon. expecting people to back up their assertions, yes. especially the fbi and the cops, especially their unsupported assertions about the latest EXTREME NOISE TERROR attack attributed to conveniently-dead muslim parents.

I don't imagine you do anything lightly, seems to be a very Sturm und Drang operation you've got going there.

first things first.

VLADIMIR:
I'd like well to hear him think .

ESTRAGON:
Perhaps he could dance first and think afterwards, if it isn't too much to ask him.

VLADIMIR:
(to Pozzo). Would that be possible?

POZZO:
By all means, nothing simpler. It's the natural order.

He laughs briefly.


http://www.samuel-beckett.net/Penelope/Act_I.html

[Burnt Hill]

I'll add that Funeral Home directors typically coordinate the release of information and belongings from the Medical Examiners Office to the next of kin.
This would include the autopsy reports they received.

[Burnt Hill]

I would also suggest that O'Malleys style of documentation will earn him a visit from his departments Risk Management team.

[Harvey]

2:50-3:17: Orlando SWAT Team commander Captain Mark Canty gives his first-hand account of how and where his team killed the shooter ("in the hallway between the two bathrooms", "about 10-15 feet away from us":



("So that's where he was taken down?" "Yeah." "In the hallway?" "Yeah".)

Unfortunately this is different from the account given by Orlando Police Chief John Mina himself, who describes how the shooter emerged from a hole in the wall into the yard, guns blazing:



^^Weirdly, the sound has been disabled on that clip. If anyone can find a still-functioning version, please post it.

This too is now silent:

With a goal of breaching the exterior wall of the bathroom where Mateen was last seen, police set up a controlled explosion. Dozens of additional clubgoers were able to escape through the hole in the wall, Mina told the AP.

Mateen exited the building through the same hole and died after exchanging fire with the officers, Mina said.

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/ ... ils_g.html

Either two shooters or a hostage killed by police and/or SWAT, how would anyone go about asking them which it is?

[Burnt Hill]

Noor Salman has family in California. She had been planning a visit to them before the Orlando event. She may be laying low with them,
Scuttlebutt says she was planning on leaving Mateen with their son, and that this was a contributing factor in his decompensation.

[Freitag]

One of the more successful authors in my family took quite a number of courses on forensics and investigations, when he started writing mystery novels

Have you published any books? You're a good writer.

[82_28]

Not to suck his dick or nothing, but yes he is a meticulous writer. He is his own writer and editor in one. 99% command of English if not 100%. I sorta kinda proof-read myself (even though some idiot fucked up that grammar thread) but I have never noticed one damn mistake by Mr. Rex.

It goes without saying that everyone who dwells here for the most part has a great command of English.

But yeah you write any books in the past? And probably something for an entirely different thread, who are the other authors in your family?

You brought it up! I had to ask.

[Freitag]

I know it's off-topic but I figure the answer will be either yes or no and then it'll be done with. I'd certainly buy a book written by Mr (Dr.?) Rex if someone pointed me to where I could purchase such a book. Especially if it were about occult topics.

[Novem5er]

I wrote and published some smut erotica on Amazon in years past. I made pretty good money for the months that I did it. I stopped writing after the Amazon search data revealed that "lactating maids" had become the erotica customer flavor of the month. There are some trends you just don't want to chase . . .

What were we talking about again?

[Nordic]

I wrote and published some smut erotica on Amazon in years past. I made pretty good money for the months that I did it. I stopped writing after the Amazon search data revealed that "lactating maids" had become the erotica customer flavor of the month. There are some trends you just don't want to chase . . .

What were we talking about again?

Really? Um ... What do you mean by "pretty good money?"

Asking for a friend.

[Novem5er]

Pretty good money at the time was around $100 a month. Not enough to live on, but every month that I wrote my sales increased. When readers like a story they tend to go back and buy more from the same author's catalog, so it's kind of a snowball effect. The more you write, the larger your catalog, so the more back-sales you get. I had friends making several hundred dollars a month once they had a dozen or two stories for sale. I peaked at around $100 a month but I'd only published say 4 stories total before I got bored and more than a little disgusted.

What I didn't like was that new "trends" would appear every month or so that seemed to sell better, and authors would jump on that bandwagon until it got flooded and readers moved on to some other idea. Vampires, gay werewolves, "step" siblings (*puke*), etc, etc. It was an interesting experience, but I chose to put my artistic efforts towards endeavors I could be proud of