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Postby eyeno » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:11 pm

Every situation is different and nothing is all powerful. And the truth is, it isn't the winning that matters, (tho its very important - v, v ,v important).

Its just the struggle, or the fight or whatever. Tho the harder and smarter you fight the better your odds of winning the next time too. That fight is over and it appears the orfdinary people in Egypt won.



Joe, I love you and I respect you immensely. I always look forward to your comments and I always will. But, I just could not look past this. Struggle forever in vain without victory is only toil and struggle forever in vain without victory. In a war such as the Egyptian people are fighting it is all about the victory. If the struggle has to be as down and dirty as the struggle the perps put on then so be it. But it is all about the victory. It can be no other way because if so then all the brave Egyptians, brave though they are, struggle in vain.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Plutonia » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:22 pm

tl;dr: Egypt inadvertently shut off the internet for the US embassy, along with everyone else.
(But not for long 'cause the US is centralizing it's servers- now that's a good idea! Har har)

When Egypt Went Offline, Why Did the U.S. Embassy Go With It?
Nancy Scola | February 11, 2011

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The website of the American embassy in Cairo was unresponsive during Egypt's Internet blackout.

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Chart from Renesys showing Egypt's Internet networks disconnecting from the global network on January 26th.

When it comes to Egypt, attention today is, of course, on the fact that Hosni Mubarak has handed over power. But from a historic 18 days that contained so many quirks and twists of a social, political, and technological nature, here's yet more one question that's been hanging in the air: why, when the Mubarak regime famously disconnected Egypt from the Internet two weeks ago yesterday, did the website of the U.S. embassy in Cairo suddenly disappear from the Internet?

The answer is simple. "The site was hosted in Egypt," says Katie Dowd, director of new media for the U.S. State Department. "So when the switch got flipped, it went down." On a check at just before midnight on Thursday, January 28th, the site was dead, and Dowd posted a note on Twitter late afternoon saying that the site was back up -- creating a window of about 16 hours of down time.


Actually, "down time" is too mild a thing to call what happened to the U.S. Embassy Cairo. The nature of the Internet makes it so that gaps in its architecture are routed around with maximum efficiency. But the flip side is that when the Mubarak government decided to flip that switch on Egypt, the Internet promptly routed around Egypt without giving it much further thought. Jim Cowie is CTO of Renesys, the Internet intelligence company, and it the blog post he posted on January 27th that drew the world's attention to the fact that Egypt had shut down its Internet connections to the rest of the world. To the routers that control Internet traffic, it's as if the country never existed. "It's Internet amnesia," says Cowie. And because the American embassy in Egypt lived entirely within Egypt's boundaries in cyberspace, it got instantly forgotten, too.

But the fact that the U.S. Embassy Cairo site came back up online at least four full days before the rest of Egypt exposes a project that the U.S. State Department has underway to shift the way the United States' diplomatic world exists online. Over the last handful of years, the State Department has been shifting the .gov web presences of its hundreds of embassies scattered around the world to one, centralized content management system infrastructure based in the United States. Egypt "had very little left to do," says Dowd, but the transfer was not yet complete. Thus, the takedown at the hands of the Mubarak government.

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Besides the syndication opportunities the new centralized system opens up for State Department headquarters, there's additional security that comes along with being a domain based in the United States, something that's probably going to get more significant than less when we consider how Anonymous and others have ramped up efforts of late to militarize web presences by targeting them for take downs, as we've seen with everything from Wikileaks to Tunisia. The State Department's "21st Century Statecraft" initiative throws its weight behind the idea that the Internet is a powerful play in modern global politics. Where the U.S. embassy in Tehran's actual physical structure became a battleground during the hostage crisis of the late '70s and early '80s, we may well see U.S. embassy websites get pulled into debates and tensions, though with less significant effect, given that the bulk of the critical information on embassy websites has to do with where you go to get a visa or your passport renewed.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby 23 » Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:45 pm

eyeno wrote:If the struggle has to be as down and dirty as the struggle the perps put on then so be it. But it is all about the victory. It can be no other way because if so then all the brave Egyptians, brave though they are, struggle in vain.


I couldn't dis-agree more.

The Egyptian people will succeed only if they continue deploying the same modus operandi (MO) that they employed to remove Mubarak. If they change course from that MO, they're destined to lose what they achieved.

What is sometimes overlooked by some analysts of the Egyptian revolution is that the Egyptians successfully demonstrated what an effective nonviolent act of civil disobedience looks like. Ghandi and MLK probably danced a jig, wherever they are, when they saw the fruits of their preferred methodology for social change.

What distinguishes the Egyptian revolutionaries from many other revolutionaries is that they successfully implemented a nonviolent act of civil disobedience towards a desired immediate goal. General strikes were just beginning to enter the purview of their influence as well, and the consequence was inevitable.

If they veer away from the successful MO that they employed and get "down and dirty" in response to the down and dirty tactics of their adversaries, I fear that they will lose everything that they gained.

The Egyptians taught the world what an effective nonviolent act of civil disobedience looks like. Now it's time for us to learn from them.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Kate » Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:15 am

Amen, 23, amen.

Anybody here know the works of Gene Sharp? He's the historian, researcher, promoter of NONVIOLENT STRUGGLE. He works through the institute he founded, called the Albert Einstein Institute.

http://aeinstein.org

I came to know his work back in the eighties when I was on the streets in activism over US atrocities in Central America. I heard a speech of his on a university radio station, and immediately wrote to him and got cassette tapes (remember them?) of his speeches.

During the darkest hours of the GWB regime, I found out he had a THREE VOLUME set of books on the history (going WAY back, many centuries before Gandhi) of successful nonviolent struggle, the strategies, and the tactics of nonviolent struggle. Like Gandhi, he repeats OVER and OVER that nonviolent struggle is anything BUT "passive" resistence. It is meant to be provocative. And it is a WAR; but without violence. Like any war, it needs astute planning of the appropriate strategies and tactics for the individual context in which nonviolent struggle is waged as a campaign. Every situation is different.

Right now my 3-volume set is in a box somewhere, otherwise I'd give you the exact title. And I have to go take care of my sick pupster, otherwise I'd look it up on the website given above right now. This'll have to be brief.

When the whole January 25th action in Egypt began, and I started following it, I immediately thought of him. Google the name "Gene Sharp" in the news, and his name pops up as someone whose works have been read and studied by activists all over the world, and specifically in Egypt and other countries in the ME. From what I've gathered, there are numerous OTHER "next-gen" researchers and strategists and tacticians in the field, about whom I'm not yet current in my reading. But I look forward to catching up.

Because of what I was hearing from Al Jezeera [contrary to a certain suggestion made earlier, I was able to do other things (real-life work) while just listening to what was happening instead of "vegetating" in front of a computer monitor], I went to the website of Gene Sharp's institute, and played a 1-and-a-half hour speech of his, thinking all the time about how I was seeing these techniques beautifully played out in Cairo, and when I had that video playing, my husband (who I'd always tried to get interested in the topic) listened, riveted. Turns out, the next day the owner of his company started chatting about Egypt, and he spread the word of this guy and his decades-long influence on EVERY single "people-power" movement around the globe. Now the boss is busy reading up on this.

As Gandhi knew, a nonviolent movement CANNOT do things "spontaneously" for that will lead to disaster. But there are concrete steps to take to analyze each individual situation, and those 3 volumes make a wonderful guide to stimulate creative thought in these directions. His work has been translated in many, numerous languages, including Arabic.

While Gene Sharp (and those he inspired) get absolutely zero American mainstream press, people around the world know him much better than those in the U.S.

I'd love to hear if anyone else knows his written works.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:44 am

eyeno wrote:
Every situation is different and nothing is all powerful. And the truth is, it isn't the winning that matters, (tho its very important - v, v ,v important).

Its just the struggle, or the fight or whatever. Tho the harder and smarter you fight the better your odds of winning the next time too. That fight is over and it appears the orfdinary people in Egypt won.



Joe, I love you and I respect you immensely. I always look forward to your comments and I always will. But, I just could not look past this. Struggle forever in vain without victory is only toil and struggle forever in vain without victory. In a war such as the Egyptian people are fighting it is all about the victory. If the struggle has to be as down and dirty as the struggle the perps put on then so be it. But it is all about the victory. It can be no other way because if so then all the brave Egyptians, brave though they are, struggle in vain.


Perhaps I wasn't clear about it. Sure that battle is over and they won.

That was Mubarak gone something that a few days ago ... well , still there's the state of emergency the end of the regime and the whole taking and keepinf control of Egypt thru their own version of democracy or whatever they end up doing.

Then there is stopping all the things Lupercal is kind of referring to - co opting this movement by outside interests. Although I don't think lupercal is right about this case the concerns are fair enough to consider and guard against.

But once you've had that victory and celebrated it, reflected on what you have achieved etc, then the next challenge is already on its way toward you. There's a saying in Australia - "You're only as good as your next game". It used to be "as your last game". But its the next one that counts.

Thats what i meant. Sure Mubarak is gone, but that was only one demand of about 7. Then there is protecting your freedom afterward.

But it is all about the victory. It can be no other way because if so then all the brave Egyptians, brave though they are, struggle in vain.


Yeah you are right, it is all about the victory, but victories last such a short time, instants really, then they are over and you celebrate. But already whoever you beat is thinking about how to beat you while you are celebrating.

Don't worry about it tho, its just me. Play competitive sport every week and pretty soon you get into a headspace where you are thinking about the next game as you wake up Sunday morning, and earlier if you lose. (We play Saturday arvos).
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Plutonia » Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:33 am

Thanks for the tips C2W.

Egypt :yay

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After reading about how much Mubarak stole, I will dedicate my time and energy to document his properties all over the world. #jan25
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Wealth Hosni Mubarak
February 1, 2011
By ICWN

ICWNews : President Hosni Mubarak has led Egypt for more than 30 years.Old master the country’s pyramid, several people have accused him of hoarding wealth in some countries.

Algeria Daily, Alkhabar, like to be reloaded by JP News, reported that Hosni Mubarak’s family fortune at U.S. $ 40 billion. Wealth is spread across several accounts and properties in the United States, Switzerland, Britain, and Germany.

Suzanne, wife of Mubarak, according to confidential reports have become millionaires club member since 2000. Besides accounts, Suzanne owns property in the center of major cities in Europe, like London, Frankfurt, Madrid, Paris, and Dubai. Lady wealth is estimated at U.S. $ 3-5 billion.

Mubarak’s first child, Alaa Mubarak who chose a career in banking, has a property worth U.S. $ 8 billion dollars, including property in Los Angeles, Washington, and New York where he owns real estate worth U.S. $ 2.1 billion on the outskirts of Manhattan. He also reportedly had the two cruise ships worth 60 million euros.

According to newspaper sources, Mubarak’s second son, Gamal Mubarak, has a wealth of up to U.S. $ 17 billion. Besides having an account, secretary general of the ruling party, the Democratic National Party, also has several properties that are spread not only in Egypt.

As for Mubarak himself who is the son of farmers, with a personal fortune of U.S. $ 10 billion. Most of their funds in American banks, Switzerland, and England.

Since coming to power in 1981, Mubarak is able to make North African countries are stable. The secret, he established good relations with Western countries and Israel. But behind the stability, corruption, poverty and violence by the state thrives.

Mubarak was born 1928 in the village-el-Meselha Kahel. He graduated from the Military Academy in 1949. After the Arab-Israeli war, Mubarak gained promotion to Head of the Egyptian Air Force; this is the first door he came into the circle of political elites.

Known as a loyal aide Mubarak Egyptian President Anwar Sadat. He was appointed Vice President by Anwar Sadat in 1975. Since then he played a critical role, building relationships with western countries. In 1981, Sadat was killed, Mubarak rose to number one in Egypt


Though, I'm sure there is a team in Egypt :yay working on this with vigor, won't hurt to look around and pass on any findings....


Edit: Spin cycle has been activated...

But really, how much is he worth? According to ABC News, American intelligence officials estimate his family’s wealth as sitting somewhere between $1 billion to $5 billion — far less than media accounts and many third-party estimates. In fact, ABC notes as much:

Some experts have estimated that the Mubarak family has a net worth as high as $70 billion, while others have reported $40 billion, but U.S. intelligence sources told ABC News that the real number is probably much lower.

A senior U.S. official said she “had no clue” why estimates circulating in the media in recent weeks were so much higher. “Maybe they’re counting in dinars,” she said.

http://amerpundit.com/2011/02/12/hosni-mubarak-worth/
Translated = Not enough to bother with or think about.... go back to sleep...
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby eyeno » Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:46 am

23 and Joe,

Yes. I resonate with your thoughts.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Plutonia » Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:55 am

Listen! Do you hear that? That's the oligarchs mouth-breathing into their fund-manager's ears.

Egyptians focus their attention on recovering the nation's money

By Sudarsan Raghavan
Sunday, February 13, 2011

CAIRO - As Egyptians entered a new era Saturday, they were unanimous in one sentiment: To move forward, the country must recover the substantial assets that Hosni Mubarak, their deposed president, and his cronies allegedly pocketed during nearly three decades in power.

"He stole our money," said Mohammed Tarik, 20, a medical student who wore a white smock that read "Victory for Egypt." "If the next president can get back the money, he will show he's not like the old president. It would restore Egypt's dignity and bring respect for the government."

The sentiments among the tens of thousands who swarmed into Tahrir Square on Saturday to celebrate their triumph highlighted how much Mubarak's fate will determine the future of their revolution and the ability to heal wounds still festering from decades of corruption and autocratic rule.

Some demonstrators declared that Mubarak should face a trial and then be thrown in prison. Others said they preferred to let him live quietly in Egypt. The most extreme said they wanted him dead.

The wealth of Mubarak, his family and his political allies has long been a source of resentment in a nation with high unemployment, immense poverty, rising prices and a collective perception that only those with strong ties to Mubarak and his ruling party could succeed financially. Egyptian opposition leaders are vowing to push for a full investigation into Mubarak's financial dealings.

Among those interviewed Saturday, tracking down the wealth of Mubarak and his associates and returning it to Egypt is as much a priority as seeing a civilian democratic government replace the current council of military leaders tapped to rule the country.

"If we can get back some of the billions stolen, I will be satisfied with our revolution," said Mohammed Fattouh, 29, a tourism operator.

While Zaire's Mobutu Sese Seko, the Philippines' Ferdinand Marcos and, most recently, Tunisia's Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali, fled into exile, making it difficult to recover their ill-gotten wealth, Mubarak has, for now at least, vowed to remain on Egyptian soil, allowing a unique opportunity to redress the past, many Egyptians said in interviews.

Ahmed Saif, 26, a bank employee, said Mubarak had contributed a lot to building Egypt into a modern nation and a regional power, despite the repression and resentment he spawned. "Now he's an old man. He should remain here," Saif said.

He paused, and provided another reason: "If he leaves the country, we'll never get our money back."

Few know Mubarak's worth. Some rumors, spreading on the Internet, say his family fortune is between $40 billion and $70 billion. Middle East analysts and news reports in the Arabic media say Mubarak and his family kept most of their wealth in real estate stretching from Egypt's Red Sea coast to London, Los Angeles and New York, and in Swiss and offshore bank accounts.

On Friday, the Swiss government froze accounts held by Mubarak, his family and several prominent Egyptians, including some former government ministers.

Protesters recently railed against the regime outside an opulent house owned by Mubarak's son Gamal in London's Belgravia neighborhood, where properties cost as much as $20 million.

The Mubaraks, say analysts, probably profited from numerous business deals struck between the government and foreign investors and companies while he was president, or perhaps dating to when he was a senior military official. But Mubarak has been such a fixture in Egypt's affairs for several generations that it's difficult to determine what he gained through the state and what he gained privately.

Illicit financial activities and government graft siphon more than $6 billion from Egypt's coffers per year, according to Karly Curcio, an economist with Global Financial Integrity, a nonprofit organization that tracks illicit financial flows. Between 2000 and 2008, Egypt lost $57.2 billion. Many Egyptians earn about $2 a day.

"Look how poor they are," said Nisreen Ashraf, 22, clutching a national flag and pointing at a cluster of impoverished people sitting on dirty blankets. "There are so many poor. And he has $70 billion? Why? Why?"

Ashraf said she had known no other leader than Mubarak, and like many young people interviewed, she still felt a sense of reverence for him. "He was like my father. I love him, but I don't want him back."

"I want all the money he took [to be] taken from him," Ashraf said. "I want him to feel how Egyptian people feel."
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:29 am

The Reason For Mubarak's Power Hand Off Delay: Plundering The Gold
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 02/12/2011 16:55 -0500


It's official: as Egypt was burning, Mubarak was stealing the gold. When we reported, presumably jokingly, two weeks ago that the Egyptian Central Bank may have been plundered, it turns out we were pretty much accurate once again. For all those wondering why Mubarak was refusing to hand over power for the past two weeks as hundreds of people were dying, we now have the answer - it was all just to make sure he transferred his assets, especially gold, to safe regimes (in the process paying tens of millions in commissions to that most noble of jobs - the banker class). The Telegraph reports: "A US official told The Sunday Telegraph: "Hosni Mubarak used the 18 days it took for protesters to topple him to shift his vast wealth into untraceable accounts overseas, Western intelligence sources have said...There's no doubt that there will have been some frantic financial activity behind the scenes. They can lose the homes and some of the bank accounts, but they will have wanted to get the gold bars and other investments to safe quarters. The Mubaraks are understood to have wanted to shift assets to Gulf states where they have considerable investments already – and, crucially, friendly relations. The United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia have frequently been mentioned as likely final destinations for Mr Mubarak and possibly his family."As usual, we remind readers that according to the World Gold Council, Egypt had 75.6 tonnes of gold at the end of 2010. Should this number not be reduced following Mubarak's plundering, we will know just how pervasive Tungsten is in the world central banking cartel.

From Telegraph:

The former Egyptian president is accused of amassing a fortune of more than £3 billion - although some suggest it could be as much as £40 billion - during his 30 years in power. It is claimed his wealth was tied up in foreign banks, investments, bullion and properties in London, New York, Paris and Beverly Hills.

In the knowledge his downfall was imminent, Mr Mubarak is understood to have attempted to place his assets out of reach of potential investigators.

On Friday night Swiss authorities announced they were freezing any assets Mubarak and his family may hold in the country's banks while pressure was growing for the UK to do the same. Mr Mubarak has strong connections to London [that would be the City of..., vk] and it is thought many millions of pounds are stashed in the UK.

But a senior Western intelligence source claimed that Mubarak had begun moving his fortune in recent weeks.

"We're aware of some urgent conversations within the Mubarak family about how to save these assets," said the source, "And we think their financial advisers have moved some of the money around. If he had real money in Zurich, it may be gone by now."


Perhaps Goldman Sachs can take a proactive PR step and disclose to the population that the flow trade-frontrunning hedge fund had nothing to do with facilitating the transfer of Mubarak's billions in stolen wealth from point A to point B. And perhaps all other banks can follow suit. Either that, or we can all just wait for Mubarak's sworn deposition when he is put on trial for crimes against the Egyptian people some time in 1-2 months. Doing text searches for "Goldman" in those thousand page PDFs will be breeze...



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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:47 am

Plutonia wrote:Edit: Spin cycle has been activated...

But really, how much is he worth? According to ABC News, American intelligence officials estimate his family’s wealth as sitting somewhere between $1 billion to $5 billion — far less than media accounts and many third-party estimates. In fact, ABC notes as much:

Some experts have estimated that the Mubarak family has a net worth as high as $70 billion, while others have reported $40 billion, but U.S. intelligence sources told ABC News that the real number is probably much lower.

A senior U.S. official said she “had no clue” why estimates circulating in the media in recent weeks were so much higher. “Maybe they’re counting in dinars,” she said.

http://amerpundit.com/2011/02/12/hosni-mubarak-worth/
Translated = Not enough to bother with or think about.... go back to sleep...


That's hilarious. Under the former regime, there was a law that legally gave the president a commission on all arms purchases, around 25% if I'm not mistaken. So, just based on the $1.25 billion per year in US "aid" that were used to buy American weapons, over 30 years, adds up to over US$ 9 billion. God only knows where the hundreds of millions in annual "economic aid" went: the government did not publish a budget, let alone one that was independently audited.

Furthermore, the revenues of the Suez Canal, totaling around US$ 3.5 billion per year (usually more), were handed over to the president directly, to be used at his absolute discretion, with no oversight. Also, Egypt's gas exports were first sold to a private firm controlled by Mubarak cronies/partners at heavily subsidies rates and then re-sold at the much higher international rate to countries including Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, among others (though not Israel). That transaction alone would represent several billions of dollars annually.

Large international and even local corporations that operate in Egypt found themselves having to take a member of the Mubarak family as a partner, to whom they were forced to give 50% of their annual profits. We're talking about huge companies. One businessman who balked, Hossam Aboul Fotouh, who ran BMW in Egypt, had police storm his house, "find" a cache of weapons and illegal alcohol, had a cd circulate publicly showing him having sex with a belly-dancer he had secretly married, and was thrown in prison.

The Mubarak family also took over large tracts of land, using the police to kick people out of their homes, most infamously in Aswan, where the inhabitants of Amoun Island were forcibly removed in order to make way for a fancy island tourist resort served at public expense by an hourly ferry to and from the mainland. State lands were sold to Mubarak family cronies for a pittance after the state had spent a fortune augmenting its value with infrastructure projects, while hundreds of villages were denied decent roads, sewage and access to drinking water, schools, etc. Hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign aid simply disappeared without a trace.

Believe it or not, Egypt is a very wealthy country: in addition to its oil and gas, it has great and varied mineral resources and even gold. It has vast swathes of farmland that could potentially produce enough food and other agricultural products to supply both domestic and export markets. Its endless desert provides nearly unlimited and very cheap raw material for the production of high-quality glass, cement and other industrial products for domestic and export markets. Its young population, the largest in the Arab world, not only represents a huge market but an enormous source of dynamic and innovative entrepreneurs and skilled labor. As a tourism destination, Egypt contains one-third of all ancient artifacts on earth (Pharaonic, Greek, Roman), some of the most numerous and breathtakingly beautiful beaches on earth, a mild climate year-round, and is one of the world's "open-air museums" of medieval Islamic and Christian architecture. And that's just for a start: under Gamal Abdelnasser, Egyptian schools and universities were the best in the region and many of the Arab and Asian and even Asian elites sent their children there for study; some went on to become the leaders of their countries. Egypt is still considered to be the Hollywood of the Arab world, though it has fallen very far from its pinnacle during the monarchy and Nasserite period. It remains the center of publishing and Egyptian writers are widely read throughout the region and even the world. (I was shocked at how much Paolo Cuelho's The Alchemist "borrowed" from Egyptian writing, just to name one example). And there's so much more.

That's just to give you an idea about the country that Mubarak has been sucking dry for 30 years, and which has just awakened and is in the process of throwing off its shackles. Yes, we all want to take back the money and the gold that he stole; but even without it, Egypt will recover and prosper now that it is free.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:28 am

introducing the newly appointed and duly annointed prefect of the province of Ægyptus, of the imperial Roman Empire, field marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi Soliman!

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from 2008:

Egypt Ruler Marshal Mohamed Tantawi's Classified Foreign Service Dossier
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 02/11/2011 13:37 -0500


From Wikileaks:

S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 02 CAIRO 000524
SIPDIS
SIPDIS
STATE FOR S AND NEA/FO WHITE HOUSE FOR OVP DOD FOR OSD
E.O. 12958: DECL: 3/16/28
TAGS: PARM, PREL, PGOV, MASS, MARR, PTER, IS, EG, XF
SUBJECT: SCENESETTER FOR MINDEF TANTAWI’S VISIT TO THE U.S. MARCH 24-28
REF: A. CAIRO 452 B. CAIRO 488 C. CAIRO 507
CAIRO 00000524 001.2 OF 002
Classified By: Ambassador Francis Ricciardone for reasons 1.4 (a)(b)&(d).

1. (S) Summary: Defense Minister Field Marshal Mohamed Tantawi will travel to Washington, Tampa, and Chicago March 24-28. He will meet senior officials in Washington and at USCENTCOM HQ in Tampa, and view U.S. civil defense arrangements in Chicago. Mrs. Tantawi and as many as five senior generals will accompany him. Tantawi will seek assurances that the USG will not condition or reduce military assistance to Egypt in the future. He will emphasize Egypt’s continuing value to the United States as an indispensable ally in the region, and he will press to return BRIGHT STAR to a full field training exercise. The eighty-year-old veteran of five wars with Israel is committed to preventing another one ever. But he is also frozen in the Camp David paradigm and uncomfortable with our shift to the post-9/11 GWOT. Recognizing that he is reluctant to change, we nonetheless should urge Minister Tantawi towards a broader and more flexible partnership based on shared strategic objectives, including border security, counter-terrorism, peacekeeping and civil defense. End Summary.

2. (S) Border Control: Egyptian effectiveness in preventing arms smuggling into Gaza is essential to stopping Palestinian rocket fire into Israel. When the Secretary pushed hard on smuggling in October 2007, the Egyptians finally got serious and agreed to open an FMF case that will deploy counter-tunnel technology to the Rafah border. The case also includes extensive training. The initial shipment of equipment is expected in June. Training will begin this spring in the US, due to Egyptian sensitivity towards having foreigners stationed at their borders. The Egyptians are also building a concrete barrier wall on the Egyptian side to avoid a repeat of the January incursion, in which thousands of Gazans poured into Rafah.

3. (C) The Egyptians insist that they are committed to do all they can to stop smuggling into Gaza. They acknowledge the threat that Hamas poses to their own security and to the peace process. They claim to have discovered more than 200 tunnels since November 2005. Tantawi will argue that Egypt is doing everything within its power but is not the only source of weapons in Gaza. He believes that Israeli politicians are blaming Egypt for domestic political reasons and resents the impact on Egyptian military assistance. He will also urge that the USG exert influence on Israel to ease humanitarian conditions in Gaza. EGIS Chief Omar Soliman has the lead on negotiations with Hamas but Tantawi will also likely urge that Rafah be opened to ease humanitarian pressures in Gaza.

4. (S) With Tantawi we should acknowledge that the counter-tunneling technology that we will introduce this summer will contribute to interdiction efforts but does not represent a complete solution. Indeed the Army Corps of Engineers experts who designed the system have told us that the Gaza border represents a “worst case scenario” for interdiction. In a March 6 meeting with NEA A/S Welch, Tantawi hinted that the Egyptians have adopted additional measures at the border. We are still interested in a trilateral meeting with the Egyptians and Israelis (ultimately perhaps to include the PA) to share intelligence and tactics. So far the Israelis have demurred. We should broaden the discussion to maritime interdiction efforts and also addressing the weapons trail, which starts in Yemen and Sudan.

5. (S) Civil Defense: The Red Sea ferry accident in February 2006 embarrassed the Mubarak government and cost more than 1000 lives. Tantawi will bring to Washington his mandate from President Mubarak to integrate the military into crisis response management. On this he needs and will be grateful for our help — a small but important advance against the MOD’s staunch resistance to engagement with us in shifting their priorities and transforming their forces. ASD for Homeland Defense McHale has suggested including Egyptian representatives in U.S.-based civil emergency exercises

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planned for spring and fall 2008, and inviting GOE officials to a civil defense symposium at the Army War College this fall.

6. (S) Peacekeeping: Egypt has contributed to all UN and AU peacekeeping efforts in Africa, and is sending 1300-1400 troops for the UN/AU Mission in Darfur (UNAMID). Egypt has also offered UNAMID two additional mechanized infantry battalions; the UN has accepted one. Despite our repeated requests, the Egyptians declined to contribute helicopters; they simply do not have the logistical and operational capability to operate in Darfur’s challenging environment. We recommend that the helo request not be raised again.

7. (S) Reform: In the cabinet, where he still wields significant influence, Tantawi has opposed both economic and political reforms that he perceives as eroding central government power. He is supremely concerned with national unity, and has opposed policy initiatives he views as encouraging political or religious cleavages within Egyptian society. In a speech on March 9, Tantawi said one of the military’s roles is to protect constitutional legitimacy and internal stability, signaling his willingness to use the military to control the Muslim Brotherhood in the run-up to the April 9 municipal council elections. On economic reform, Tantawi believes that Egypt’s economic reform plan fosters social instability by lessening GOE controls over prices and production. Tantawi rejects any conditioning on Egyptian FMF [foreign military funding] on human rights or any other grounds. Before this year he thought that FMF was inviolable and regarded ESF as a layer of protection against possible cuts to FMF. He will argue that any conditions on military assistance are counter-productive. He will also state that the military is not behind human rights problems in Egypt and that U.S. Congressional human rights conditionally is mis-targeted.

8. (S) Washington interlocutors should be prepared to meet an aged and change-resistant Tantawi. Charming and courtly, he is, nonetheless mired in a post-Camp David military paradigm that has served his cohort’s narrow interests for the last three decades. He and Mubarak are focused on regime stability and maintaining the status quo through the end of their time. They simply do not have the energy, inclination or world view to do anything differently. Nonetheless, for the benefit of Tantawi’s omnipresent aides, we should focus discussions on the future and how to operate as strategic partners as we face the challenges of that future together. RICCIARDONE

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a flashback to 2001:

Gamal Mubarak, President of Egypt?
by Daniel Sobelman
Middle East Quarterly
Spring 2001, pp. 31-40

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Who will succeed Egypt's President Husni Mubarak? Under what circumstances? And what effect will the succession have on Egypt's international relations, particularly its relations with the United States?

No one appears to have good answers to these questions, in large part because Mubarak has never been forthcoming about appointing a successor-designate. Although it has been widely assumed that a successor will come from within the army's ranks or certainly with its strong backing,1 other possibilities have also been mentioned. Moreover, beyond asking who the successor might be, some Egyptians are concerned that the very future of their state could be in jeopardy following Mubarak's departure from the scene. And were Egypt to undergo large-scale change, this could have enormous consequences for the Middle East as a whole.

For many reasons, then, the succession issue in Egypt is worth a close look.

Mubarak and the Question of Succession

Born on May 4, 1928, in the village of Kafar al-Musayliha (in Minufiya province), Muhammad Husni Mubarak was appointed Air Force Academy commandant in 1969, a position he held until 1972 when he was promoted to serve as deputy minister of defense as well as air force chief. During that period, the future president took part in planning and designing the joint Egyptian-Syrian surprise offensive launched against Israel in October 1973. President Anwar as-Sadat named Mubarak as his vice president in April 1975, in which office he remained until October 6, 1981, when Sadat was assassinated by Islamist zealots. Today, at seventy-three years of age, Mubarak is the longest serving ruler in Egypt since Muhammad ‘Ali in the early nineteenth century and one of the most veteran leaders in the Middle East. Following the deaths of long-serving rulers in Jordan, Morocco, and Syria, Mubarak's regional influence and international stature have been further enhanced.

Technically, the procedure for an orderly transition of government in Egypt is duly accounted for and constitutionally sanctioned. Article 82 of the constitution specifies that when the president is not capable of fulfilling his duties, all his executive powers shall be delegated to the vice president.2 The problem here is that Mubarak has refused to appoint a vice president. When publicly pressed on this matter, Mubarak simply says he does not feel the need to appoint a vice president. Article 84 of the constitution, he points out, states that in the absence of a vice president capable of assuming executive responsibilities, the chairman of parliament (who is today Fathi Surur) "shall temporarily assume the presidency" and then the parliament selects a candidate within sixty days. "This is precisely the same practice as in France," Mubarak once noted in an interview.3

Although there is no vice president today, for nearly a decade, there was an important number-two serving beside Mubarak and widely considered to be his successor—the minister of defense, Field Marshall Muhammad ‘Abd al-Halim Abu-Ghazala. Originally appointed by Sadat,4 Abu-Ghazala retained his key position into the Mubarak era. According to one diplomat, Abu-Ghazala "was absolutely viewed by many in Egypt to be second after Mubarak, a man of great personal authority, enjoying popular prestige and easily viewed as a leading figure of national importance."5 It appears that the field marshal's stature was a source of unease for Mubarak, who suddenly in April 1989 relieved him of his ministerial post, reassigning him to a presidential advisory role.

Abu-Ghazala was replaced as minister of defense by General Yusuf Sabri Abu-Talib. The Cairo newspapers followed Mubarak's own example and downplayed the importance of the reshuffle, which had, of course, been a sacking. Al-Ahram, the government-owned daily, published an editorial entitled "Abu-Ghazala, Abu-Talib, and the Surprise Decision," arguing that cabinet shifts are a regular occurrence in a democratic state and are no cause for unnecessary drama or suspicions of intrigue.6 It soon became apparent, however, that the appointment of Abu-Talib was in fact a stopgap measure, as he too was replaced (in May 1991), making way for Field Marshall Muhammad Husayn at-Tantawi, who has held this crucial post ever since. As for Abu-Ghazala, early in 1993, a press release from the official Egyptian news agency, stated that he had resigned as a presidential advisor to Mubarak,7 and he has since completely disappeared from the public arena.

Despite Mubarak's refusal to appoint a vice president, it was only after nearly fourteen years that the succession issue broke through the polite silence surrounding it and came to the forefront of the Egyptian agenda. The rude awakening took place at 8:15 on the morning of June 26, 1995, as Mubarak made his way from the airport in Ethiopia's capital of Addis Ababa, driving to a conference. Suddenly gunfire aimed at his motorcade erupted from a car blocking the road ahead. Mubarak's bulletproof limousine was the third car in line some 70 meters behind the spot where the assailants from the fundamentalist Muslim group, Al-Jama‘a al-Islamiya, blocked the road. Following the security guards' orders, the president's car immediately turned around and sped to the airport, and, from there, directly back to Egypt where the president was greeted by cheering crowds upon landing at Cairo's airport. The assassination attempt failed, but no one could ignore the fact that the president's life had been on the line that day and might be again in the future.8

Exactly one month later, Mubarak was asked to comment on pressures to appoint a vice president, in light of that attempt on his life. His response was again calm to the point of indifference: "The transition of government is one matter, and the appointing of a vice president is entirely another one."9 Mubarak repeated his well-rehearsed position, explaining that the appointment of a vice president in no way guarantees that governmental control would automatically pass into his hands. Mubarak maintained a cautious reluctance to express a view. Rare are the interviews in which he broaches the subject of succession even briefly.10

Not everyone in Egypt was persuaded by Mubarak's seemingly casual dismissal of the succession issue. First among the doubters was Muhammad Hasanayn Haykal, a leading Egyptian figure since the days of Gamal Abdel Nasser. In a lengthy two-part interview with the prominent state-owned, intellectual weekly, Ruz al-Yusuf, Haykal noted the prevailing uncertainty regarding a credible procedure for the orderly transfer of power and expressed grave apprehensions for the future stability and continuity of Egypt. Referring to the failed assassination plot, Haykal stated in no uncertain terms:
If the symbol embodying statehood had been done away with under such circumstances and without a fixed mechanism of transition in place, then we would have found ourselves before such uncertainties that could conceivably lead to the very dissolution of the state. Such a situation entails more than just the disappearance of a president.

Haykal identified a "general malaise afflicting people today" which he analyzed as "fear for the future of the state." More explicitly, he explained that
at the very same moment those shots were flying at him, both the state itself was in jeopardy and the future of the state was in question. We can claim that he [Mubarak] is responsible for this because he has not seen fit to appoint a vice president, and we may even say that in a sense there are no institutions in the country.11
During the interview, the journalist ‘Adil Hamuda, suggested a scenario in which the president is murdered and there is no vice president: "The army would then enter the picture and assume control," the journalist hypothesized. 12

A reply, presumably reflecting the president's view, came a week later. It expressed reservations about Haykal's dire expression concerning the "dissolution of the state" and included a patriotic critique:
Such an expression is an implausible and gross exaggeration when speaking of Egypt, it reveals an underestimation of the character of the Egyptian people from the dawn of its history. This is because the unity of Egypt stands firm on both shores of the Nile. Egypt has never been divided and can never come apart.13

On September 6, 1999, another incident again thrust the succession issue into the limelight. This time Mubarak's motorcade was en route to Port Sa'id. The official statement issued by the president's office explained that while Mubarak was "waving to the crowd from his car window, a man approached the motorcade holding a sharp instrument, causing a light injury to the president." He was shot dead on the spot by the president's security guards. The exact circumstances of the event were never published, and to some extent, remain unclear. London's MBC television, for example, suggested that the suspect was shot while attempting to hand Mubarak a letter of complaint.14

The official media description was more subdued than one might have expected (calling the incident an "attempted assault" against the president), perhaps reflecting an effort to diminish the incident's political significance. The forty year-old assailant, Husayn Sulayman, was said not to belong to any organization, and according to Egyptian authorities exhibited "unstable behavior." and "psychotic disorder."15 Mubarak continued on to his scheduled destination and delivered his original speech, broadcast live on television. Not a single word was said about the incident. The opposition parties, however, took the opportunity to raise the succession issue again, demanding that Mubarak appoint a vice president.

What might have happened had the assassination attempt in June 1995 been successful? An Israeli security source asked just that of his Egyptian counterparts and was told that "without a doubt" Defense Minister Tantawi would have become the next president.16 Indeed, the sixty-five-year-old general (born October 31, 1935) and veteran of the Arab-Israeli wars of 1956, 1967, and 1973, is nearly ubiquitous, at Mubarak's side and on occasion standing in for Mubarak, representing him at various official commemorations, like the thirty-year anniversary of the death of Nasser that took place in September 2000.17 However, it appears that Tantawi is in poor health, possibly making his succession less likely.18

Some informed conjecture points towards ‘Umar Sulayman, the head of Egypt's General Intelligence Department for nearly a decade, as a possible successor.19 In his sixties, Sulayman is portrayed as one of the more powerful figures in Egypt, someone deeply involved in all matters of state and enjoying a close working relationship with the president. In contrast to Syria and the Palestinian Authority, where powerful and competing figures head competing and overlapping security and intelligence organizations, Egypt has only one very strong man in this field: ‘Umar Sulayman. Compared to Tantawi, he is relatively anonymous, which is a weakness. (Both Sadat and Mubarak served as vice presidents for several years, so when their incumbent predecessors died, there was no need to introduce them to the Egyptian public.) Of late, Sulayman has appeared on Egyptian television, but his name is not in public circulation, and he remains politically obscure.

What one must bear in mind regarding both possible candidates—Tantawi and Sulayman—is that they are not young men, and that Mubarak is of excellent vigor and appearance for his age. Given Mubarak's sturdy constitution, the list of potential candidates for succession could change dramatically in the next few years, as a robust Mubarak outlasts those who might seem likely today to succeed him. With that in mind, a somewhat younger person with a future leadership potential is Magdi Hatata (born 1941), the chief of staff of the Egyptian armed forces and perhaps the next minister of defense.

But whoever the next president is, the general assumption—drawing on the constitutional description of the president as the "supreme commander of the armed forces"20—is that he will emerge from within the ranks of the military or security establishment, as did Nasser, Sadat, and Mubarak. The coup d'état in 1952 remains in the collective memory as a military seizure of power and even today is subliminally imprinted.

Gamal Mubarak

Under certain conditions, however, that tradition might be broken. Here the Syrian case may be instructive.

President Hafiz al-Asad, who held an exceedingly firm grip on power for three decades, succeeded in securing the succession for his son Bashshar, before succumbing to a heart attack at the age of sixty-nine. Although Bashshar was trained as an ophthalmologist, he had in effect been designated as the new ruler by his father ever since his elder brother died in a road accident on January 21, 1994, and Bashshar was recalled home from his studies in London. From that time on, Hafiz carefully groomed him in politics. Interestingly, though, all this was kept unofficial. Until the death of his father, Bashshar was never openly declared the heir apparent. As did his father, Bashshar dodged questions about his presidential future. Nonetheless, Syrians (and many others) intuited the near certainty of Bashshar's destiny. No one was surprised when, shortly after notice of the Syrian president's death, the parliament in Damascus was convened for the purpose of swiftly amending the constitution by lowering the legal age for holding high office from forty to thirty-four, to expedite Bashshar's election. Accordingly, Bashshar al-Asad (born September 11, 1965) was made the new ruler at the age of thirty-four during an extraordinary session of parliament on June 10, 2000.

This astonishing quasi-monarchical precedent reverberated throughout the Arab world. It was met with a nervous and critical tone and even undisguised sarcasm in certain quarters. More than a few suspect that Syria may not be the last Arab state to transform into a hybrid "Jumlukiya" (conflation of jumhuriya and malikiya, Arabic for republic and monarchy, respectively), a monarchy-like republic.

Revealingly, the sharpest criticism of Bashshar's installation came from Egypt. Days after Asad's death, a major Cairene opposition paper commented that Syria "is putting into people's minds the idea that power can be passed on hereditarily in a republic," reminding the readers that "in 1949, the phenomenon of military coups in the Arab world also began out of Damascus."21 With this reminder, the opposition journalist was expressing clear apprehension of a possible hereditary transfer of government in Egypt.

There is a potential candidate for this role: Gamal Mubarak, the president's eldest son, now thirty-eight years old (Some sources claim he is thirty-five). Gamal is an altogether non-military personality whose name has in recent years often been tossed into the public arena in the context of succession. A graduate of the American University in Cairo, Gamal is already a solidly established leader in the Egyptian business community. Upon completing his university studies, Gamal entered banking. He began his working career with the Bank of America and was soon sent to represent the bank's interests in London, where he remained for six and a half years, working in the field of finance investments. Over the past few years, Gamal Mubarak has become a very familiar face among the Egyptian business elite and Egyptians in general, and a regular guest participant at economic symposia. Rumors abound that he has in fact been unofficially acting for some time as an advisor to his father on economic matters. Gamal also fills certain official roles: he serves as the spokesman for the U.S.-Egyptian business advisory body, and more importantly, he is an elected member of the general secretariat of the National Democratic Party (NDP), his father's own ruling party.

As talk of Gamal's political aspirations surfaced in about 1999, the death of the Syrian president and his son's succession not surprisingly fanned the flames of the rumors about Gamal's hereditary potential. Speculation intensified to the point that, two weeks before Hafiz al-Asad's death, President Mubarak felt it necessary to deny the plausibility of a father-to-son transmission in Egypt. "We are not a monarchy. We are the Republic of Egypt, so refrain from comparing us to other countries in this region."22 Needless to say, Mubarak's denials did not stem the tide of public discussion nor dispel the uneasiness following Asad's death. Egyptian publicists seized the Bashshar precedent to air the succession topic before their readers. Once again the authoritative voice of Hasanayn Haykal was first to rumble, just days after Asad's death:
The situation must be stopped whereby both the constitution and the legislative process can be subjected to gross abuse so as to bend the law to accommodate a specific person.23

One Egyptian commentator, Muhammad Ghanim, went further:
Shock and astonishment have given way to apprehension and suspicion that this scenario might possibly apply in Egypt! This fear had actually begun to filter into Egypt well before the death of Hafiz al-Asad, being brought about by the growing proliferation of reports about certain Arab leaders grooming their own sons to take over control after themselves! Anyone who knows the honorable Husni Mubarak is well aware that his personal integrity will not allow the Syrian scenario to happen in Egypt.24

Another observer, Wail al-Abrashi, added emphatically :
Those Arab countries which are potential candidates to join the list of hereditary Republics, are free, if they choose to do so, to publish denials of their intentions to imitate the Syrian model and declare that they oppose such a transfer of power.25

The writer then concludes, dismally describing as "catastrophic . . . those disingenuous [rulers] who so tenaciously provide for their ongoing personal reign."

Gamal's Prospects

Is it conceivable that Gamal Mubarak could one day inherit his father's mantle? Recent conversations in Cairo yield a nearly unanimous assessment that the hereditary model won't work for Egypt. In contrast to Syria, Egypt is too "modern" a society. Mubarak himself has projected abroad, with a degree of success, a relatively liberal image of his country. Some argue, in fact, that this is more than just image. Yoram Meital, a leading Israeli scholar of modern Egyptian history, argues that the enormous strides into modernization under two decades of Mubarak's stewardship is in fact his well-earned historic legacy.
The inherent connection between a vibrant economy and democratization is widely heralded today among Egyptian officials as well as in many non-governmental circles. Only continued political stability safeguards this legacy. Wishing to leave his imprint as the one who succeeded in bringing about the stabilization of the political arena, Mubarak might hope that his potential successor will arise out of this more open political climate where worthy candidates can compete for positions of power.26
The Western world has grown to expect democratic behavior in Egypt, whereas no such normative expectations were ever entertained about Syria. Indeed, the impact of such a hereditary move in Egypt would set off far greater shock waves than it would if such a scenario transpired in any other Arab state. Also, Egypt has a functioning opposition where vocal criticism of government policy is a political fact of life, unlike Syria, where the slightest hint of anti-government opinion was quickly and effectively suppressed.27

For all this, not one diplomat or government source is prepared to go on the record and categorically dismiss the prospect of Gamal's succession. They are aware of the many signs that Gamal is expected to take on an active political role, even if not a presidential one. Gamal made a series of pre- and post-election appearances during the last parliamentary campaign on behalf of his father's party (NDP) outlining his vision for greater democracy, freedom of expression, and higher living standards. Speaking before large audiences of university students and gatherings of young party activists, he promised them "major reforms following the elections."28 Championing the political empowerment of the younger generation is the primary recurring theme in all his campaign speeches and points to the issues and strategy with which Gamal is evidently preoccupied and to which he is personally committed. Moreover, throughout 1999 the Egyptian press released reports forecasting the possible formation of a new political party, Al-Mustaqbal (The Future), headed by none other than Gamal Mubarak. While Al-Mustaqbal does not yet exist, Gamal does serve as board chairman of a voluntary civic association of the same name. Funded by prosperous businessmen, it promotes programs to remedy unemployment and housing problems, particularly for young university graduates. This association may be presenting its future platform as an embryonic party.

Lately, no week goes by without Gamal's name, picture, and opinions appearing across the range of Egyptian newspapers, including front-page coverage.29 Gamal's published opinions are not limited to the economic sphere, for he is quite ready to go on record about major foreign-policy issues, such as Egypt's relations with Israel and Iraq.

Some observers expected Gamal to run for a parliamentary seat in late 2000. Although he did not, he did engage in a trial run. His "almost" candidacy received, in effect, substantial press backing and wide endorsement, which may yet be revived. For example, Samir Ragab, editor of the prominent state-owned daily Al-Gumhuriya and a close associate of Husni Mubarak, thought it most important to remark that despite the fact that Gamal will not be running in this parliamentary race "there exists a consensus in Egypt that Gamal is an exceptionally worthy fellow, both erudite and loved by the masses." Ragab notes further, in a rather transparent allusion to the recent Syrian precedent, that it was Mubarak's decision that his son not take part in the current elections, "signaling the message that ‘I do not wish for anyone to make a connection between Egypt and any other society, whether close to us or far away.'" In any event, Ragab makes it absolutely clear that Gamal "possesses all the necessary skills for membership in parliament."30

Other very prominent voices and interest groups are publicly pushing for the promotion of Gamal. An important economic weekly magazine devoted its cover story to Gamal Mubarak; against his silhouette is superimposed the caption: "Mr. President, I beg of you—give this young man his fair due." The editor of the weekly (and author of the cover story) sang Gamal's praises and addressed an open letter to President Mubarak:
Mr. President, I want to speak here frankly and in true sincerity about one who has been giving of himself selflessly, with no ulterior thought other than dedicated service to his homeland. This young man was trained in your own studio, taking from your own example the meaning of true devotion, patriotic thinking for responsible decision-making in the national interest.

A series of anecdotes then follow, all testifying to Gamal's worldly sophistication and impressive poise as an impromptu lecturer before international economic forums and national political party meetings. Finally, the editor reached his main point:
The question is: why should we not benefit from the abilities and talents of this man? . . . Mr. President, I do not understand why the National Party should not itself be promoting and sponsoring him in the upcoming elections to parliament . . . Mr. President we beg of you, be fair with this young man. I am well aware of your decision that he must be kept away from "politics," but I also have come to know you as a just ruler, whose just nature will manifest the fairness due him.31

Lastly, this came from the editor of The Arab Strategic Report, a government-run publication:
Anyone seeking to contain Gamal Mubarak's role cannot find a rational basis for such an argument. They might be correct in maintaining that he should not merit any official office only because he is the son of the president. However, this in no way means that he is to be penalized and denied the opportunity to compete for office.

The editor dutifully repeats the claim that there exists no formal plan to install Gamal as his father's successor, however he does conclude by saying: "One thing is certain, Gamal won't be imposed from above."32 The final word on this topic comes from Gamal Mubarak himself, hoping—probably to little avail—to clamp the lid on the persistent rumors and rampant speculations: "I shall not seek any executive post . . . There is no room for such talk in a country like Egypt. We live in a country of institutions."33

The growing media coverage of Gamal sharpens his liberal image, casting him as the representative of a youthful generation and embodiment of the aspirations of the young. Such constant image-crafting could be seen to anticipate and allay any concerns among the secular opposition circles ahead of a possible future appointment for Gamal. (Bashshar al-Asad's image-building campaign also highlighted his uncompromising anti-corruption crusade, shaping him in a progressive mold, with his ultimate appointment already very much in mind.)

Could It Happen Elsewhere?

The pseudo-monarchical succession in Syria and the possibility of a repeat in Egypt have unfolded against a background already resonating with loud whispers of similar succession dramas in several other Arabic-speaking countries, including Yemen, Libya, and Iraq. While heads of all these states proclaim their sons no better than any other citizen, it is beyond doubt that all of them—‘Ali ‘Abdullah Salih, Mu‘ammar al-Qadhdhafi, Saddam Husayn—have endowed their sons with authority and powers very far beyond the reach of ordinary citizens.

Yemen. More than once during the past year, President Salih found himself denying specific intentions for the succession of his son Ahmad. His denials, however, are less than categorical. "I am not grooming my son to succeed me," he stated in an interview well before the Syrian precedent, then adding that his son "is entitled to run for president within the democratic and constitutional frameworks, and so is any Yemeni citizen, if he is fit for that."34 A few months later, Salih reiterated that leadership in Yemen is not hereditary and is limited to two five-year terms in office. 35 Ahmad is said to have been placed in charge of the special forces, a brigade comprised of the army's elite units and republican guard.36 There have been reports that the possible candidacy of the American university-educated Ahmad has been opposed by the president's own brother, Muhsin al-Ahmar, commander of an armored division and someone who naturally sees himself as a more fitting candidate.37

Libya. Qadhdhafi has been entrusting his son Sayf al-Islam with a range of special assignments. In February 1999, Sayf al-Islam represented his father at the funeral of Jordan's King Husayn. He negotiated the September 2000 release of Western hostages held by the Abu Sayyaf gang of Islamists in the Philippines and took on a high public profile, revealing to the outside world his emerging position. In Tripoli, visiting German foreign affairs minister Joschka Fischer and his delegation met with Sayf al-Islam.38 Sayf al-Islam in 1997 went on record asserting that neither he nor his brother has been politically empowered by their father.39 Ironically, as the newspaper that published this interview observed, this in itself contradicted Qadhdhafi's standing order forbidding family members from giving press interviews. Against these straws in the wind, one should note the observation of The Economist Intelligence Unit that suggestions that Qadhdhafi's son is being groomed to succeed him "appear to be wide off the mark. Not considered a serious proposition even in Libya."40

Iraq. Saddam Husayn has invested his two sons, ‘Udayy (born June 18, 1964) and Qusayy (born February 17, 1967), with important and powerful functions. Qusayy supervises the Republican Guard and the security agencies and is reported to be the nation's number two man as well as the heir apparent.41 Reports coming out of Baghdad imply he is involved in very important military activities and planning. For instance: Qusayy inspected forces stationed near the Kurdish region, discussing with the commanders the preparations to intervene in Kurdistan if the army command so decides.42 He was present with Saddam in a meeting with members of the general command of the armed forces43 and attended military meetings, with Izzat Ibrahim, deputy commander in chief, and Sultan Hashim Ahmad, defense minister44 as well as a joint meeting between Saddam and Ahmad.45

His older brother ‘Udayy is displeased with this situation and intently opposes his brother's appointment. ‘Udayy's two most outstanding responsibilities include his command of Saddam's Fida'iyin, a smallish militia of several thousand fighters, and the control of the Babil daily newspaper, which he uses to advance his own interests. ‘Udayy also won a parliamentary seat in late March 2000 (gaining the usual 99.99 percent of the vote). In his first parliamentary appearance, ‘Udayy blasted all members of the Iraqi government, except for the minister of defense, criticizing a lack of democracy in Iraq and the discrimination against the Shi‘ite residents of the country.46

What is the likelihood for hereditary succession in Yemen, Libya, and Iraq? These countries do not generate an abundance of open-source material, in contrast to Egypt, so it is hard to say. Instead, one must extrapolate from the powers already now consolidated in the hands of the privileged sons, whose pre-positioning is itself their springboard of opportunity. While Egypt's "first son" may stand on the brink of a consensual front-runner status, the general climate in other capitals is volatile enough that here-today gone-tomorrow events could erupt without many of the early warning signals of the type that we have been monitoring in Egypt. Today's players may not be relevant for tomorrow's game.

Speculations

The identity of the next president of Egypt depends on two main factors.

One concerns the circumstances in which Husni Mubarak ends his term
. If there were an unexpected event, such as sudden death, natural or otherwise, without an heir or a favored number two, the likelihood would be for a prominent and strong military figure to assume control without delay. The chances of a Tantawi-like figure would then presumably far exceed the chances of Gamal. But if the succession arises naturally, then the need to establish a successor would not be as urgent, and that could open a brief but reasonable window of opportunity in which a few candidates could still maneuver politically. Mubarak might designate during his lifetime one or more heirs apparent, in which case he might recommend Gamal. In Meital's view, this may indeed be Mubarak's genuine and preferred vision for succession, namely that there be a healthy political competition among several civilian candidates alongside Gamal, including for example, someone of the caliber of former general ‘Abd as-Salam al-Mahgub, the very successful governor of Alexandria.47

Secondly, the regional situation can affect the succession. If the Middle East were to plunge into instability or possibly war, Mubarak might well wish to designate a strong crisis-management successor. On the other hand, were the region to embark on a more conciliatory path, a candidate with a civilian agenda, like Gamal's, would not then be perceived as unsuitable.

Daniel Sobelman is Arab affairs and Middle East correspondent with the Ha'aretz newspaper of Tel-Aviv.

[footnotes at link]

http://www.meforum.org/27/gamal-mubarak ... t-of-egypt


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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:54 am

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vanlose kid wrote:Suleiman's argument that the Egyptian people "are not ready for democracy" is not a solitary view. it is even shared by the ruling classes in the US. – it's a class thing.


True that, with one additional caveat:

it's an authoritarian thing as well.

It is in the nature of authoritarians to perceive the people that they rule or lead as incapable of self-management. That perception supports their need to rule with an iron fist.

Authoritarian parents exemplify that trait quite well. Suppressing any opportunity for their children to learn how to fend for themselves, because they need to see them as incompetent to justify their authoritarian intervention.

The perception that someone is not ready to participate in a democratic system... says more about the person who's embracing that perception than it does about the people he is talking about.


you know, your point aside, and it's well taken, i've been thinking about this for a few days and i have to say, i can't for the life of me imagine what a class society that is not authoritarian would even look like. they kind of go together, is what i mean.

the authoritarian, or as i like to put it, statist strain of thought is pretty evenly spread across the entire political spectrum, from Plato to Marx, from Rand to Lenin. talk about "revolutionary vanguards", "elites", who sould or shouldn't be allowed to vote or procreate or work or voice their opinion [or trade or own a plot of land], whether they be black criminal offenders, peasants and workers, or religious fundamentalists or whatever.

the "arguments" are race, class, ethnicity, nationality, politically, sociologically based but all amount to the same thing: a few must of necessity rule over the many for the sake of the many. the statist authoritarian loves provoking fear in order to be given the "power to protect the people" from "chaos".

Egypt is a case in point. the US another. old story.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:21 am

I have to share a story that I keep thinking about. Around 8 years ago, my family was staying in a hotel in downtown Munich, Germany. To our delight, we discovered that the intelligent, polite young night manager was Egyptian. We got to talking and became very friendly with him. He seemed very eager to talk with someone about Egypt and appeared to miss it very, very much. Naturally, we asked him why he left. He told us that he grew up in a poorer and deeply neglected area of Cairo, where there were few government services. Like a lot of other young university graduates in Egypt, he was unemployed, with no prospects. He hung around coffee-houses and played backgammon or watched tv all day, trying to stave off depression.

One day, he had an idea: the neighborhood was filthy, with piles of garbage lying uncollected, attracting feral cats and dogs and worse. He decided to organize the unemployed young men in the area into a garbage collection and recycling cooperative, something that would not only clean up the streets but provide them with a little income. In addition, he proposed to plant the cleaned-up areas and provide a green space for the neighborhood children.

He began to discuss his idea with the other young men and they responded enthusiastically. Within a short time around 50 young men had signed on and the adrenaline was flowing. Once they started working, they realized that they needed a way to transport the garbage to their makeshift recycling center, so they thought of the local council, which had several small flatbed trucks which were lying idle. He went to the council head to ask if they could borrow one. The council head was all smiles and said how delighted he was to see young men doing something to improve their environment. He said he'd love to help -- more than that, he wanted a list of the young men's names to see if he could get them on the council's payroll or at least get them some form of recognition. The young man provided the names.

The rest is predictable: the police came knocking in the middle of the night, stormed and ransacked their homes, grabbed the young men and transported them to an interrogation center where they were beaten and accused of "organizing subversive and illegal political activities" under the State of Emergency, and then they were put on a LIST, which means that they now each had a file in State Central Security. A friend of his was living in Germany and somehow he was able to join him, and there he was, living in exile, lonely and missing his home but unwilling to go back.

His story is far from unique: tell the beginning to any Egyptian, and he or she can tell you the rest (except for the part about Germany -- he was lucky). Like I said, I've been thinking a lot about this young man lately (not so young now, I guess) and wondering how many like him will now be staying or even returning to help rebuild their homeland, now that it's free of the nightmare that's been choking the life out of it for 30+ years.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby barracuda » Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:28 am

"We do not want any protesters to sit in the square after today," Mohamed Ibrahim Moustafa Ali, the head of military police, told protesters and reporters, as soldiers removed tents from the square, epicenter of the 18-days of protests that toppled President Hosni Mubarak.


It sounds as if the army is clearing Tahrir Square and possibly arresting remaining protest "leaders".

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middl ... 80591.html
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:40 am

And now that we have democracy in Egypt ...



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