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Sunday Times: 'World Government' plan hatched to stop Nazis

Postby ftr23532 » Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:28 pm

Apparently John Foster Dulles championed the idea (it must have been pretty scary for him all those years he and Allen were working with them ;-)). Here's the link:
The Sunday Times January 07, 2007

'World government' plan was hatched to stop Nazis
Marc Horne

SENIOR politicians discussed a plan to surrender British sovereignty to a federal government of western democracies to combat the Nazis at the outbreak of the second world war.

Newly declassified documents held in Scottish archives reveal that a group of prominent statesmen, including Anthony Eden,Ernest Bevin, Herbert Morrison and Sir Archibald Sinclair, considered the establishment of a putative global state with its own federal government, currency, armed forces, trade bloc and even a common postal service.

Paranoia about the march of Nazism across Europe prompted the plan, which would have seen Britain, America, France, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South Africa, Ireland, Switzerland, the low countries and the Scandinavian states join together as a “nucleus world government”.

The plans are revealed in the correspondence of Lord Lothian, former British ambassador to the United States, whose private papers were gifted to the Scottish National Archives by his family. They have only now been published online after being locked away for decades.

The documents reveal how the plan was discussed by prominent politicians from all parties and was about to be presented to Winston Churchill, then British prime minister. The plan was championed in America by John Foster Dulles, who was later to become US secretary of state, a founder of Nato and a significant figure in the cold war.

In a letter to Clarence K Streit, the American academic, on March 2, 1939, Lothian wrote: “I propose simply that the men and women living in the 15 democracies around the North Atlantic Ocean organise themselves in one federal union government.

“These 15 together own almost half the Earth, they rule its oceans, they govern half the human species, they have the power, the trade and the money to run the world — if only they would organise it. I mean that we democrats of the North Atlantic organise our Union as a nucleus world government.”

On July 23, 1939, CD Kimber of the Federal Union campaign group wrote to Lothian, saying: “Lord Astor (A Tory MP and chairman of the Royal Institute of International Affairs) and Mr Ernest Bevin have already signed our statement. Mr Anthony Eden, Sir Archibald Sinclair and Herbert Morrison are extremely sympathetic.”

On October 31 1939, Dulles, named Man of the Year by Time magazine in 1954, wrote to Lothian stating: “The fundamental fact is that the nationalist system of wholly independent, fully sovereign states is completing its cycle of usefulness.

“It is imperative that there be transition to a new order.” Lothian died in December 1940.

Trevor Salmon, professor of international relations at Aberdeen University, said the collection of correspondence is an important historical archive.

“People will be surprised to learn that influential politicians looked seriously at the idea of federal union,” he said. “The flower of European youth had been lost in the great war and coming up with a radical solution to avoid further conflict was not an ignoble idea.

“The vision was good-hearted, but when it came to the crunch nations were not willing to give up their sovereignty.”
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Postby Gouda » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:56 am

Funny that the Nazis have not stopped trying to stop themselves.

Only they do not stop stopping themselves by moving ahead with a new world order quite different from what the patriots and birchers fear(ed).
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Postby ftr23532 » Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:30 pm

If only we had purified our genetic stock by now, like our nice elites advocated a century ago, perhaps we would have the strength to fight today's Nazis :P:
Eugenics and the Nazis -- the California connection

Edwin Black

Sunday, November 9, 2003

Hitler and his henchmen victimized an entire continent and exterminated millions in his quest for a so-called Master Race.

But the concept of a white, blond-haired, blue-eyed master Nordic race didn't originate with Hitler. The idea was created in the United States, and cultivated in California, decades before Hitler came to power. California eugenicists played an important, although little-known, role in the American eugenics movement's campaign for ethnic cleansing.

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Eugenics would have been so much bizarre parlor talk had it not been for extensive financing by corporate philanthropies, specifically the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune. They were all in league with some of America's most respected scientists from such prestigious universities as Stanford, Yale, Harvard and Princeton. These academicians espoused race theory and race science, and then faked and twisted data to serve eugenics' racist aims.

Stanford President David Starr Jordan originated the notion of "race and blood" in his 1902 racial epistle "Blood of a Nation," in which the university scholar declared that human qualities and conditions such as talent and poverty were passed through the blood.

In 1904, the Carnegie Institution established a laboratory complex at Cold Spring Harbor on Long Island that stockpiled millions of index cards on ordinary Americans, as researchers carefully plotted the removal of families, bloodlines and whole peoples. From Cold Spring Harbor, eugenics advocates agitated in the legislatures of America, as well as the nation's social service agencies and associations.

The Harriman railroad fortune paid local charities, such as the New York Bureau of Industries and Immigration, to seek out Jewish, Italian and other immigrants in New York and other crowded cities and subject them to deportation, confinement or forced sterilization.

The Rockefeller Foundation helped found the German eugenics program and even funded the program that Josef Mengele worked in before he went to Auschwitz.

Much of the spiritual guidance and political agitation for the American eugenics movement came from California's quasi-autonomous eugenic societies, such as Pasadena's Human Betterment Foundation and the California branch of the American Eugenics Society, which coordinated much of their activity with the Eugenics Research Society in Long Island. These organizations -- which functioned as part of a closely-knit network -- published racist eugenic newsletters and pseudoscientific journals, such as Eugenical News and Eugenics, and propagandized for the Nazis.
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You have to hand it to these guys, they certainly have a lot of patience:
Group of shadowy power-players with mind set on one-world control
The New Straits Times/November 8, 2000

Heading of a study done in the early 1990s: "Rise of the Fourth Reich - Rockefeller Foundation & The Heritage Foundation".

Yet another study document published about the same time wrote of similarities and convergence between the Heritage Foundation and the institution of the Reverend Sun Myun Moon.

Recently, the Washington-based Heritage Foundation published a scathing attack on Malaysia, calling the country's economy "mostly unfree" in its 2001 Economic Freedom Index. Who or what is the Heritage Foundation? Like many power-players in Washington, the controllers of Heritage are almost invisible, seldom photographed. Nevertheless they are up there among the power elite.

But somewhere within the layers of Washington power-play, far- right thinking and Heritage's history, a few names keep cropping up. They include Paul Weyrich and Edwin Feulner, both founders of the think-tank organisation, the latter its present president.

Weyrich at one time was considered a powerful man in American politics. He co-founded Heritage in 1973 with funding from Joseph Coors of the Coors beer empire and Richard Mellon-Scaife, heir of the Carnegie-Mellon fortune.

There were other financiers of Heritage, including oil company Amoco, General Motors, Chase Manhattan Bank (through David Rockefeller) and Olin and Bradley, a right-wing foundation.

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These ideas alarmed Christian groups in the US as to his real intentions, especially when they dug into Weyrich's background, which led frighteningly to the Nazi.

Weyrich is a Melkite Greek Catholic whose personal background abounds with ties to Nazi collaborators and neo-fascist organisations which, many said, in turn criss-crossed with ties to the Central Intelligence Agency.

In the 1970s, Weyrich and Coors made appointments and set up political contacts on Capitol Hill for Franz Joseph Strauss, Bavarian head of state who helped emigre Nazi collaborators.

Another fascist, Roger Pearson, writer and organiser for the Nazi Northern League of northern Europe, joined the editorial board of Policy Review, the monthly Heritage publication in 1977.

Pearson was brought to the US in 1965 by Willis Carto, founder of the neo-fascist Institute for Historical Review (which denies the Holocaust) and the anti-Semitic Liberty Lobby, which publishes a weekly newspaper called The Spotlight.

Pearson left Heritage after a Washington Post expose of the racist/ fascist orientation of the World Anti-Communist League.

Weyrich was also said to have sponsored and worked closely with one Laszlo Pasztor, a convicted Austrian Nazi collaborator whose Coalitions of the Americas is housed as a subsidiary in the Free Congress Foundation, the political arm of Heritage Foundation and seen by many as a racist organisation.
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Hopefully the strong, pure blood of our shadow government will help protect us from the Islamofascists ;)
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New Order???

Postby Seventhsonjr » Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:41 pm

Thanks for posting these stories.

I just finished reading a great book "Berlin Diary" by William Shirer. The "New Order" was the Nazi catchphrase of the day in Germany.

With the Bush Dulles Harriman Morgan Rockefeller cabal backing these Nazis it seems like promoting a "new order" on "both" sides would have set up a perfect opportunity for consolidation of the Third Reich with the nordic-anglo-american wasp establishment

I would bet that the Nazis and the Dulles cabal would have cut a deal and "shared power" and divided the world.

Actually, I guess that is what actually happened huh?
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Postby ftr23532 » Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:15 pm

Yo're not kidding about backing both sides...here's another interesting article by Edwin Black from last week:
Nazis rode to war on GM wheels

Edwin Black

Sunday, January 7, 2007

James D. Mooney thrust his arm diagonally, watching its reflection in his hotel suite mirror. Not quite right. He tried once again. Still not right. Was it too stiff? Too slanted? Should his palm stretch perpendicular to the ceiling; should his arm bend at a severe angle? Or should the entire limb extend straight from shoulder to fingertips? Should his sieg heil project enthusiasm or declare obedience? Never mind, it was afternoon. Time to go see Hitler.

Just the day before, May 1, 1934, under a brilliant, cloudless sky, Mooney, president of the General Motors Overseas Corp., climbed into his automobile and drove toward Tempelhof Field at the outskirts of Berlin to attend yet another hypnotic Nazi extravaganza. This one was the annual May Day festival.

Tempelhof Field was a sprawling, oblong-shaped airfield. But for May Day, the immense site was converted into parade grounds. Security was more than tense, it was paranoid. All cars entering the area were meticulously inspected for anti-Hitler pamphlets or other contraband. But not Mooney's. The Führer's office had sent over a special windshield tag that granted the General Motors' chief carte blanche to any area of Tempelhof. Mooney would be Hitler's special guest.

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Reveling in the Führer

General Motors World, the company house organ, covered the May Day event glowingly in a several-page cover story, stressing Hitler's boundless affinity for children. "By nine, the streets were full of people waiting to see Herr Hitler go meet the children," the publication reported.

The next day, May 2, 1934, after practicing his sieg heil in front of a mirror, Mooney and two other senior executives from General Motors and its German division, Adam Opel A.G., went to meet Hitler in his Chancellery office. Waiting with Hitler would be Nazi Party stalwart Joachim von Ribbentrop, who would later become foreign minister, and Reich economic adviser Wilhelm Keppler.

As Mooney traversed the long approach to Hitler's desk, he began to pump his arm in a stern-faced sieg heil. But the Führer surprised him by getting up from his desk and meeting Mooney halfway, not with a salute but a businesslike handshake.

This was, after all, a meeting about business -- one of many contacts between the Nazis and GM officials that are spotlighted in thousands of pages of little-known and restricted Nazi-era and New Deal-era documents.

This documentation and other evidence reveals that GM and Opel were eager, willing and indispensable cogs in the Third Reich's rearmament juggernaut, a rearmament that, as many feared during the 1930s, would enable Hitler to conquer Europe and destroy millions of lives.


Hitler knew that the biggest auto and truck manufacturer in Germany was not Daimler or any other German carmaker. The biggest automotive manufacturer in Germany -- indeed in all of Europe -- was General Motors, which since 1929 had owned and operated the longtime German company Opel. GM's Opel, infused with millions in GM cash and assembly-line know-how, produced about 40 percent of the vehicles in Germany and about 65 percent of its exports. Indeed, Opel dominated Germany's auto industry.

As the May 2, 1934, Chancellery meeting progressed, Hitler thanked Mooney and GM for being a major employer -- about 17,000 jobs -- in a Germany where Nazi success hinged on re-employment. Moreover, because Opel was responsible for about 65 percent of auto exports, the company also brought in the foreign currency desperately needed by the Reich to purchase raw materials for re-employment as well as for the regime's crash rearmament program. Now, as Hitler embarked on a huge, threatening rearmament program, GM was in a position to make Germany's military a powerful, modern and motorized marvel.

A few weeks after the prolonged Chancellery session, the company publication, General Motors World, effusively recounted the meeting, proclaiming, "Hitler is a strong man, well fitted to lead the German people out of their former economic distress. ... He is leading them, not by force or fear, but by intelligent planning and execution of fundamentally sound principles of government."

For Mooney, and for Germany's branch of GM, the relationship with the Third Reich was first and foremost about making money -- billions in 21st century dollars -- off the Nazi desire to rearm even though the world expected that Germany would plunge Europe and America into a devastating war.

Today, General Motors is reluctant to talk about its links with the Nazis, but a spokesman said, "General Motors finds the atrocities committed by the Nazi regime abhorrent and among the darkest days of our collective history. General Motors deeply regrets any role the company or its vehicles played in the Nazi era."

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Illusion for profits

To conceal American ownership and reinforce the masquerade that Opel stood as a purely Aryan enterprise, Sloan and Mooney, beginning in 1934, concocted the concept of a directorate, comprised of prominent German personalities, including several with Nazi Party membership. This created what GM officials variously termed a "camouflage" or "a false facade" of local management. But the decisions were made in America. GM as the sole stockholder controlled Opel's board and the corporate votes.

Among the decisions made in America beginning in about 1935 was the one transferring to Germany the technology to produce the modern gasoline additive tetraethyl lead, commonly called "ethyl," or leaded gasoline. This allowed the Reich to boost octane that provided better automotive performance by eliminating disruptive engine pings and jolts. Better performance meant a faster and more mobile fighting force -- just what the Reich would ultimately need for its swift and mobile blitzkrieg.

Years after the war, Nazi armaments chief Albert Speer told a congressional investigator that Germany could not have attempted its September 1939 blitzkrieg of Poland without the performance-boosting additive.

Within a few years of partnering with the Hitler regime, Opel began to dwarf all competition. By 1937, GM's subsidiary had grown to triple the size of Daimler-Benz.

In 1938, just months after the Nazi annexation of Austria, Mooney, head of GM's overseas operations, received the German Eagle with Cross, the highest medal Hitler awarded to foreign commercial collaborators and supporters.

On Nov. 9-10, 1938, shortly after Mooney's decoration, nationwide pogroms broke out in Germany against the Jews -- Kristallnacht. The American public was finally shocked onto its heels by the night of officially orchestrated burning, looting and mob action against Jews.

By the summer of 1940, a senior GM executive wrote this assessment for internal circulation only. He explained that while "the management of Adam Opel A.G. is in the hands of German nationals," in point of fact, GM is still "actively represented by two American executives on the Board of Directors."

The German-American balance of the many management entities created in the facade of control was constantly shifting during the Hitler years. But regardless of the number of members -- German or American -- on the various directing, managing or executive boards and committees, GM in the United States controlled all voting stock and could veto or permit all operations.

Willing partner with Nazis

For all intents and purposes, though, once war began, Wehrmacht requirements and orders determined the specifics of military manufacturing at Opel. Like any nation at war, including the United States itself, the Reich alone determined what weapons would be made by its militarized factories. That said, it was GM's decision to remain operating in Germany, to continue to subject itself to Reich military orders and answer the Reich's call for ever more lethal weapons.

As anticipated, Opel's Brandenburg facilities were conscripted and converted to an airplane-engine plant supplying the Luftwaffe's JU-88 bombers. Later, Opel's plants also built land mines and torpedo detonators. The factories and infrastructure that GM built during the 1930s were in fact finally used for their intended purpose -- war. Opel-built trucks on the ground, Opel-powered bombers in the sky and Opel-detonated torpedoes in the seas brought terror to Europe.

A few weeks later, in May 1941, a year-and-a-half after World War II broke out, with newspapers and newsreels constantly transmitting the grim news that millions had been displaced, murdered or enslaved by Nazi aggression and that London was decimated by the blitz bombing campaign, Sloan, then in his mid-60s, told his closest executives during a Detroit briefing: "I am sure we all realize that this struggle that is going on though the world is really nothing more or less than a conflict between two opposing technocracies manifesting itself to the capitalization of economic resources and products and all that sort of thing."

By now, Assistant Secretary of State Adolf Berle, whose portfolio included the investigation of Nazi fronts and sympathizers in Latin America, had had enough of Sloan and GM executives. Berle circulated a memo asserting "that certain officials of General Motors were sympathetic to or aligned with some pro-Axis groups. ... that this is [a] 'real Fifth Column' and is much more sinister than many other things which are going on at the present time." Berle called for an FBI investigation.

Trade or treason?

The FBI's probe of GM senior executives with links to Hitler found collusion with Germany by Mooney, but no evidence of any disloyalty to America. The Aug. 2, 1941, summary of the investigation clearly listed Sloan in the title of the report, but Mooney's was the only name mentioned in the investigative results. In a separate report to FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, the agent stated, "No derogatory information of any kind was developed with respect to Alfred Pritchard Sloan Jr."

On Dec. 7, 1941, Pearl Harbor was bombed. The United States declared war on Japan. On Dec. 11, German diplomats in Washington called at the State Department to deliver Germany's declaration of war against America. All direct communications between GM and its Opel subsidiary in Germany were necessarily severed, although historians have always wondered about indirect links through Denmark where GM operated a longtime subsidiary. Ranking GM men from Denmark were also in ranking positions both in Opel in Germany and GM in America.

After Germany declared war on America, all American corporate interests in Germany or under German control were systematically placed under the jurisdiction of a Reich-appointed custodian for enemy-owned property. In practice, the custodian was akin to a court-appointed receiver. Generally, the Reich custodian's duty was not to dismember the firm or Aryanize it, but to continue to run the enterprise as efficiently and profitably as possible, holding all assets and profits in escrow until matters would be resolved after the war.

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The business of war

In the wartime months and years that ensued, 1941-1945, GM built and operated some $900 million worth (about $120 billion in today's dollars) of defense manufacturing facilities for the Allies. Secretary of War Henry Stimson later explained that when a capitalist country wages war, "you have got to let business make money out of the process, or business won't work."

GM also reaped the financial benefits of its relationship with the Third Reich. During the pre-war Hitler years, GM entered its Opel proceeds under "reserves" instead of listing the profits as ordinary income. Then during America's war years GM declared it had abandoned its Nazi subsidiary, and took a complete tax write-off under special legislation signed by Roosevelt in October 1942. The write-off of nearly $35 million created a tax reduction of "approximately $22.7 million" or about $285 billion in 21st-century money, according to an internal Opel document.

But Opel's friendly Nazi custodian, Luer, kept on making profits for the company during those war years. Opel produced trucks, bomber engines, land mines, torpedo detonators and other war materiel, a significant amount of it by the sweat of thousands of prisoner laborers or other coerced workers; some of those workers were tortured if they did not meet expectations. Those profits and GM's 100 percent stock ownership were preserved by the Reich custodian, even though GM and Opel ostensibly severed ties with each other after America entered the war.

During the Hitler years, many of those excess profits were used to acquire other companies and properties, only increasing Opel's assets in Germany. After the war, starting in 1948, GM began regaining control over Opel operations and eventually its monumental assets as well as blocked dividends. GM also collected some $33 million in "war reparations" because the Allies had bombed its German facilities.

In 1953, when GM President Charlie Wilson was nominated to be secretary of defense, he was asked at his confirmation hearing if he could make a decision in the country's interest that was contrary to GM's interest. Wilson shot back with his famous comment, "I cannot conceive of one, because for years I thought what was good for our country was good for General Motors, and vice versa. The difference did not exist. Our company is too big."

Indeed, what GM accomplished in both America and Nazi Germany could not have been bigger.

Edwin Black is the author of the award-winning "IBM and the Holocaust" and the recently published "Internal Combustion: How Corporations and Governments Addicted the World to Oil and Derailed the Alternatives." This article is adapted from an investigative series done for the Jewish Telegraphic Agency. Contact us at insight@sfchronicle.com.
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DuPont basically owned GM, btw

Postby Seventhsonjr » Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:10 pm

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/p ... ly&t=10235

Although Edwin Black doesn't mention this in the article (he is truly incredible btw in documenting this stuff), it appears that the DuPonts were major players in the Nazi era support of the Third Reich.
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Re: DuPont basically owned GM, btw

Postby ftr23532 » Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:43 am

Seventhsonjr wrote:http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/posting.php?mode=reply&t=10235

Although Edwin Black doesn't mention this in the article (he is truly incredible btw in documenting this stuff), it appears that the DuPonts were major players in the Nazi era support of the Third Reich.


The DuPonts, along with executives of GM, were also involved the alleged coup attempt against Roosevelt in the 30's. Lovely folks. Here's an interesting Dave Emory show in it:
FTR#448—The Coup Attempt of 1934 Audio here
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Postby pitcairn » Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:31 am

here's something I don't understand: this information is no longer news, it's out and around and well documented

why does it not matter?

cos it doesn't

the same people are still running things, still profiteering, still manipulating

they still hold all the cards in the only game in town

why? why don't more people find this information stunningly worldview changing in terms of justice and the legitimacy of governing bodies and formal institutions?
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Postby ftr23532 » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:37 am

First the article on the anti-Nazi world government plan and now the France-Britain unification story. That's some interesting history coming out this year!
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If you don't study and understand history

Postby Seventhsonjr » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:33 pm

the current Fourth Reich will be difficult to understand.

But once you get yourself educated on how corporate fascism, or , as Mussolini called it "Corporatism" (i.e. fascism), works and has developed into the current global crises historically, you only BEGIN to get the tools necessary to challenge it.

I am currently reading a book called "Battle for Buenos Aires" by a man named Sax Bradford. Written in 1942-3 it documents incredibly the extent of Nazi infiltration of Latin America. While the Nazi party itself was outlawed there, the organizations merely used different names.

Their methodology is laid out (although there is little or no mention of American interests in collusion with the Nazis, the Bush family enterprise, the Hamburg-America shipping line is mentioned as a key player.

Along with Konrad Heiden's "Der Fuerher" ( 1944) and "History of National Socialism" (1935) Bradford's book is one of the most powerful analyses of what we are currently experiencing now under the Fourth Reich.

Hitler was just a puppet for the people running our country today.
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Reading the first version before today's sequel.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:20 am

Interesting, seventhsonjr.

I'm reading Douglas Miller's 1941 book called 'You Can't Do Business With Hitler.'
Miller worked at the US embassy in Berlin and knew the Nazis as they grew from 1931 on.

See if the first page doesn't sound like the PNAC plan for the US Reich-

"1. Hitler is Our Enemy

If Hitler can defeat Britain, he has removed the last obstacle to his effective control over Europe, Africa, and Asia Minor. The Nazis will then be able to construct a scientific slave state in which they retain for themselves all possibilities of military action, all control over important industrial operations, and in which they will be able to achieve a complete monopoly of industrial and scientific knowledge. By these methods they can reduce the conquered peoples to entire helplessness; they can destroy rebellious groups; they can monopolize the entire resources of this great area and the man power of hundreds of millions of white, black, and brown slaves to carry on their designs in other parts of the world.

The Nazis will control the oceans. They will soon force a considerable part of South America into their orbit. We cannot overlook the possibility that they may secure a working agreement with the Soviet Union and the Japanese new order in Asia for a terrific assault upon us. They will be able to turn to their advantage our need for foreign markets, our lack of certain raw materials. They can exert pressure upon American property in the territories which they control. They can project fear into the hearts of millions of American through relatives and friends in the Old World. They can and will use the device of a centralized economic system, buying and selling for half the world, to put pressure upon our economy at many points.

They will the assistance of numerous agents throughout North America, some of them moved by racial consciousness, some bribed by propaganda funds, and some despairing of democracy's continued existence in a totalitarian world. The Nazis hate the United States more poisonously than any other country. Our very existence disproves their racial and economic theories. We have welcomed their beaten enemies. We persist in speaking, printing, and broadcasting disagreeable truths which they would like to see suppressed. Above all, we alone possess the loot which would make a world conquest worthwhile.

The Nazis have often said there are two opposite poles in the world: Germany, the pole of order, discipline, and scientific progress; and the United States, the pole of democratic anarchy, decadent Christianity, and the degeneration and loss of efficiency which accompanies a system of free enterprise. Hitler's conquest is only partial and incomplete until we are brought into his world system."

>snip<

My my. We can see why Wall Street financed Hitler, formed CIA, took in Nazi assets, and imposed a creeping fascist coup in the USA. The Reichstag just migrated to the home office.
CIA runs mainstream media since WWII:
news rooms, movies/TV, publishing
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Interesting Hugh - I have a copy of that book

Postby Seventhsonjr » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:10 pm

among my research materials. Good resource.

Two chapter titles in my Sax Bradford book are:

"The Nazi Technique" and "Children of the New Order"

There are also chapters on the church (how it is used by fascists to oppose "liberalism"), one called "The Fascists, The Little Brothers" and "A Nation Sick".
It reads much the same but utilizes a lot of material form investigations by brave legislators in Argentina (prior to the Peron coup, I assume).

The idealogy and methodology of fascism (Naziism, Corporatism) is alive and well in our Homeland. Call it what you will, it is the same wolf in nationalistic and "racist" clothing.

I am glad this subject is getting some attention as history makes it possible to perceive the same techniques and methodologies at work today on a mindbofggling scale with propaganda as its predominent feature after exploitation and militarism. The key fact is that is done to some degree subtly, subliminally and covertly so that one must be highly attuned and informed to see the operations at work in all their perverse "glory".
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Postby antiaristo » Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:55 pm

Newly declassified documents held in Scottish archives reveal that a group of prominent statesmen, including Anthony Eden,Ernest Bevin, Herbert Morrison and Sir Archibald Sinclair, considered the establishment of a putative global state with its own federal government, currency, armed forces, trade bloc and even a common postal service.


Herbert Morrison was the grandfather of the "Prince of Darkness", Peter Mandelson.

Mandelson was the man that introduced high Freemasonry into the Labour Party of Neil Kinnock. He was the archetype for the later Labour "spinners" like Campbell.

Definitively Bilderberg and reputedly sharing Ted Heath's liking for little boys, Mandelson is today Britain's Commissioner. He holds the trade portfolio for Europe.

Buckingham Palace expected Labour to win the 1992 General Election, and made preparations. But Kinnock screwed up badly two days before the vote and managed to lose to John Major.

John Smith took over.
Buckingham Palace was NOT prepared for THAT.
John Smith established the unassailable lead over the Conservative Party that led to victory in 1997.

John Smith had no time for Peter Mandelson. He had no time for the buffoon Prescott. Both were sent into exile under John Smith.

John Smith died of a heart attack on May 12 1994. I remember the date because it was the day that the Anglia Television fraud became set in stone by an announcement.

(It was a Labour Party fraud. Check out Lord Clive Hollick or look here
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... .php?t=876)

Blair took over from Smith.
He became the inevitable next prime minister.
His right hand man was Mandelson.

And the rest is history.
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Re: Sunday Times: 'World Government' plan hatched to stop Na

Postby semper occultus » Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:57 am

How a secretive elite created the EU to build a world government

Voters in Britain's referendum need to understand that the European Union was about building a federal superstate from day one

By Prof Alan Sked 8:30AM GMT 27 Nov 2015

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12018877/The-truth-how-a-secretive-elite-created-the-EU-to-build-a-world-government.html

The answer is that Harold Macmillan and his closest advisers were part of an intellectual tradition that saw the salvation of the world in some form of world government based on regional federations. He was also a close acquaintance of Jean Monnet, who believed the same. It was therefore Macmillan who became the representative of the European federalist movement in the British cabinet.

In a speech in the House of Commons he even advocated a European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) before the real thing had been announced. He later arranged for a Treaty of Association to be signed between the UK and the ECSC, and it was he who ensured that a British representative was sent to the Brussels negotiations following the Messina Conference, which gave birth to the EEC.

In the late 1950s he pushed negotiations concerning a European Free Trade Association towards membership of the EEC. Then, when General de Gaulle began to turn the EEC into a less federalist body, he took the risk of submitting a full British membership application in the hope of frustrating Gaullist ambitions.
His aim, in alliance with US and European proponents of a federalist world order, was to frustrate the emerging Franco-German alliance which was seen as one of French and German nationalism.

Monnet met secretly with Heath and Macmillan on innumerable occasions to facilitate British entry. Indeed, he was informed before the British Parliament of the terms in which the British approach to Europe would be framed.

Despite advice from the Lord Chancellor, Lord Kilmuir, that membership would mean the end of British parliamentary sovereignty, Macmillan deliberately misled the House of Commons — and practically everyone else, from Commonwealth statesmen to cabinet colleagues and the public — that merely minor commercial negotiations were involved. He even tried to deceive de Gaulle that he was an anti-federalist and a close friend who would arrange for France, like Britain, to receive Polaris missiles from the Americans. De Gaulle saw completely through him and vetoed the British bid to enter.

Macmillan left Edward Heath to take matters forward, and Heath, along with Douglas Hurd, arranged — according to the Monnet papers — for the Tory Party to become a (secret) corporate member of Monnet’s Action Committee for a United States of Europe.

According to Monnet’s chief aide and biographer, Francois Duchene, both the Labour and Liberal Parties later did the same. Meanwhile the Earl of Gosford, one of Macmillan’s foreign policy ministers in the House of Lords, actually informed the House that the aim of the government’s foreign policy was world government.

Monnet’s Action Committee was also given financial backing by the CIA and the US State Department. The Anglo-American establishment was now committed to the creation of a federal United States of Europe.

Today, this is still the case. Powerful international lobbies are already at work attempting to prove that any return to democratic self-government on the part of Britain will spell doom. American officials have already been primed to state that such a Britain would be excluded from any free trade deal with the USA and that the world needs the TTIP trade treaty which is predicated on the survival of the EU.

Fortunately, Republican candidates in the USA are becoming Eurosceptics and magazines there like The National Interest are publishing the case for Brexit. The international coalition behind Macmillan and Heath will find things a lot more difficult this time round — especially given the obvious difficulties of the Eurozone, the failure of EU migration policy and the lack of any coherent EU security policy.

Most importantly, having been fooled once, the British public will be much more difficult to fool again.

Alan Sked is the original founder of Ukip and professor of International History at the London School of Economics. He is presently collecting material for a book he hopes to publish on Britain's experience of the EU
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Re: Sunday Times: 'World Government' plan hatched to stop Na

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'World government' plan was hatched to stop Nazis
Marc Horne
Published: 7 January 2007
SENIOR politicians discussed a plan to surrender British sovereignty to a federal government of western democracies to combat the Nazis at the outbreak of the second world war.
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/new ... e57990.ece

ftr23532 » 10 Jan 2007 00:28 wrote:Apparently John Foster Dulles championed the idea (it must have been pretty scary for him all those years he and Allen were working with them ;-)). Here's the link:
The Sunday Times January 07, 2007

'World government' plan was hatched to stop Nazis
Marc Horne
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On October 31 1939, Dulles, named Man of the Year by Time magazine in 1954, wrote to Lothian stating: “The fundamental fact is that the nationalist system of wholly independent, fully sovereign states is completing its cycle of usefulness.

“It is imperative that there be transition to a new order.” Lothian died in December 1940.

Trevor Salmon, professor of international relations at Aberdeen University, said the collection of correspondence is an important historical archive.

“People will be surprised to learn that influential politicians looked seriously at the idea of federal union,” he said. “The flower of European youth had been lost in the great war and coming up with a radical solution to avoid further conflict was not an ignoble idea.

“The vision was good-hearted, but when it came to the crunch nations were not willing to give up their sovereignty.”
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