Outlaw News article "Truth About Jonestown"

[silverspringwoman]

I was not sure if this article has made it around here; I know the subject has been discussed previously. Links Jonestown to MK-Ultra and calls it a concentration camp for practising mind control, etc. Ironically, I saw this on Reddit.

http://www.outlawjournalism.com/news/?p=2416

[sunny]

Very interesting.

Guarded by dogs, electric fences and guard towers, he set up Happy Havens Rest Home. Despite a lack of trained personnel, or proper licensing, Jones drew in many people at the camp. He had elderly, prisoners, people from psychiatric institutions, and 150 foster children, often transferred to care at Happy Havens by court orders. He systematically assembled a large population of people with few attachments that would represent a cross-section of society and would be under his control. But for what?

Does this mean many later members of Jonestown were originally brought under the control of Jones through the courts? The article is not clear on this point.

[silverspringwoman]

I did a bit of exploring on the website that this came from: does this site belong to a member here? It reminds me at various times of various people

I found a link to Mike Judge's "Idiocracy" at Google Video on this site, for those that may have missed the link elsewhere and want to watch it:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8885025570

I watched the whole thing and enjoyed it immensely.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Very interesting.

Guarded by dogs, electric fences and guard towers, he set up Happy Havens Rest Home. Despite a lack of trained personnel, or proper licensing, Jones drew in many people at the camp. He had elderly, prisoners, people from psychiatric institutions, and 150 foster children, often transferred to care at Happy Havens by court orders. He systematically assembled a large population of people with few attachments that would represent a cross-section of society and would be under his control. But for what?

Does this mean many later members of Jonestown were originally brought under the control of Jones through the courts? The article is not clear on this point.

That wouldn't have been an isolated case, if so. I believe that adolescents were mandated into The Seed as well, which we've also discussed here in it's older and newer incarnations.

[robert d reed]

It's important to note that for a long time before he took his community to Guyana, Jim Jones had virtually the entire San Francisco political establishment snowed. Those people represented, of course, overwhelmingly among the most liberal faction in the Democratic Party. Jones was both a great manipulator of Left-socialist rhetoric and a reliable ward heeler, commanding a sizeable bloc of voters and a pool of reliable campaign workers.

It wouldn't surprise me to hear that the local courts used his "church" as a venue for alternatives to incarceration, etc. Jones was the recipient of a lot of government largesse of the "faith based initiative" sort in those days.

If Jones had outside "handlers"- which I think is unproven, but entirely possible- the irony must have been delicious for them.

[greencrow0]

The ultimate victims of mind control at Jonestown are the American people. If we fail to look beyond the constructed images given us by the television and the press, then our consciousness is manipulated, just as well as the Jonestown victims’ was. If the discrepancy between the truth of Jonestown and the official version can be so great, what other lies have we been told about other major events?
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Is there anything that's true about the received history of the United States of America? Or, is it all just one big, gigantic lie from beginning to end? I remember the 'Jonestown massacre' and there were a lot of incongruities about it even in the initial telling of the tale.

Why did nobody in Guyana know about this enclave of Americans? Why did the American Government go to such ends to bring back the bodies? Why was there no domestic investigation of such a horrific massacre...same old same old mass media snow job was all the public got.

The United States of Lying America is having its underwear displayed on the coffee table for the world to see, yet again.

gc

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

I've looked into this white Jim Jones phenomenon as much as one can on the internet.

But I just found out there was another Prophet Jones or James F. Jones who was a black cult leader out of Detroit in the 1940s-1950s. He was profiled in Life and Time Magazines in 1953 for his ostentatious displays of wealth and eventually jailed for being "queer" which ended his reign.




I wonder whether he was used to discredit the civil rights movement or just blacks generally. After all, Time Magazine was under the CIA's control like many other mainstream publications. The COINTELPRO attacks on Nation of Islam and Malcolm X were beginning right around the time the Prophet Jones was taken down in 1956.

I also wonder if this first James Jones gave someone the idea for the second one or if the first one helped bring in followers who had heard of a Jim Jones in the black community.
Cults are show biz. There's always some audience for human spectacle.

The white Jim Jones was also reported by survivors of the People's Temple to be using his male followers for anal sex along with womanizing.

http://muse.jhu.edu/cgi-bin/access.cgi?uri=/journals/journal_of_lesbian_and_gay_studies/v008/8.3retzloff.html

Retzloff, Tim ""Seer or Queer?" Postwar Fascination with Detroit's Prophet Jones"
GLQ: A Journal of Lesbian and Gay Studies - Volume 8, Number 3, 2002, pp. 271-296
Duke University Press

Excerpt

Harlem congressman Adam Clayton Powell Jr., writing in the November 1951 issue of Ebony, began an article about the need for sex education in the African American church with a story about an unidentified pastor's grief at the death of his handsome, talented young male assistant. In describing the funeral, Powell stressed the preacher's quavering voice, his tear-soaked eyes, his shaking body, and his attempt to leap into the grave with the coffin. "The minister's broken sobs sounded as if they had been wrung from the tragedy-twisted heart of one who has lost his lover," Powell wrote. He then played his narrative trump: "Actually, the two had been sharing an unnatural relationship for a number of years. The entire congregation knew about it. The whole community knew about it—and yet, that minister was and is today one of the most powerful and 'respected' Negro pastors in all America." 1 Falling within the purview of Powell's attack on "a tiny minority of degenerate ministers," and the likely focus of his wrath, was Prophet James Francis Jones of Detroit.

Prophet Jones, or, as some accounts said he preferred, "His Holiness the Rt. Rev. Dr. James F. Jones, D.D., Universal Dominion Ruler, Internationally Known as Prophet Jones," drew national attention for his extravagance and flamboyance during the 1940s and 1950s. His antics, fanciful teachings, and immoderate lifestyle were noted in Time and Newsweek. Life profiled him as one of the most prosperous evangelists in the country. The Saturday Evening Post dubbed him the "Messiah in Mink." Such exposure made Jones one of the most visible, if most curious, African Americans in the white-controlled mass media during the Truman and Eisenhower years. 2

The self-styled preacher's rise to prominence was partly due to a strong homosexual subtext. His congregation and his community knew about, or at least suspected, his same-sex desire....

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,822636,00.html




http://info.detnews.com/history/story/index.cfm?id=182&category=people

Jones dedicated Thursdays to dispensing solutions to personal problems of health, love and business. To a citizen with an ulcer, for example, he would say, "I adjust your stomach. It is adjusted." Citizens wishing to pose their personal problems privately whispered them in the prophet's ear. He allotted each petitioner one minute's time, for a fee of ten dollars. On a busy Thursday his intake often reached $4,000.

Jones had ingenious ways of raising money. When a photograph of him appeared in the old Detroit Tribune, which sold for ten cents, he bought up hundreds of copies, reselling them to his congregation for five dollars a copy citing their "miraculous curative" properties. Rumor had it that Jones also dispensed lucky numbers to some of his followers for a fee, who then played them with numbers racketeers who often hung around outside the church.

Jones claimed to be the embodiment of the Savior. Many blacks and some whites believed fervently in his divinity. They expressed their adoration by lavishing him with costly gifts: a five-carat, $10,000 topaz ring, a $6,000 diamond bracelet watch, a $17,000 bracelet with 812 diamonds. A $13,500 mink coat was given to him in 1953 by two Chicago school teachers, who credited Jones with curing their sick mother.

When he traveled to New York in 1954 he rode in a Cadillac, carried a gold-handled cane and was accompanied by four valets, four bodyguards, three secretaries, a cook, a dietitian, a housekeeper, a hairdresser, three musicians and 60 singers.

No one ever knew what the prophet's actual earnings were. He regularly filed income tax returns claiming income of less than $5,000 yearly. His sect was chartered under state law as a nonprofit corporation and the money taken in was presumed spent on organizational expenses only, making it tax exempt

The prophet's popularity diminished in 1956 after he was accused of gross indecency. Although he was acquitted in Detroit's Recorder's Court, his influence waned, and he moved to Chicago, commuting between the two cities.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,890676,00.html

9/21/1953

In due time, the word came to Father Divine, self-proclaimed God-in-the-flesh: Philadelphia was going to have a visitation by Detroit's Prophet Jones, Dominion Ruler of the Church of the Universal Triumph, who has established a lien on divinity himself. Forth from Father Divine's headquarters in Philadelphia went a cordial invitation: Would the Prophet attend the consecration of the Father's new 73-acre heaven in swank suburban Montgomery County?

Prompt and courtly was the Prophet Jones's reply: "Your Godliness ... I ... know the chassis of your mind has been carried up into a divine cosmic lubritorium. I herewith graciously, humbly and sincerely, yet royally, accept your invitation to attend."

A Peach & a Pear. One morning last week, the North Philadelphia station looked like five minutes to Judgment Day as some 1,500 happy and expectant followers of the two leaders waited for the Pennsylvania Railroad's Red Arrow bearing the Prophet. When it arrived, things nearly got out of hand.

First came Prophet Jones's 26 pieces of luggage, containing some of his 400 suits and his $12,900 white mink coat (TIME, March 2). Then, with an entourage including two valets, two secretaries, a hairdresser, two bodyguards and a cook, came Prophet James F. Jones himself. When about 15 yards separated him from Father Divine and his blonde wife, Mother Divine (in a mink jacket and orchid corsage), the ecstatic faithful piled in around them, crying, "Peace, peace—it's wonderful, wonderful!" A long-armed policeman was helpless to restore order. Then Father Divine raised his arm. "Peace, kindly move back." he said, and the crowd parted like the Red Sea.

[redsock]

This is an edited and slightly altered version of John Judge's 1985 article found here:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/Joh ... stown.html

Mondovista stole it, did some minor editing and ran it without attribution, passing it off as their own work. Assholes.

[greencrow0]

Ever since I read the link attached to this story last night I have been haunted by what happened to the Jonestown victims.

What other lies remain to be unveiled?

Everything we know about the United States, or thought we knew is suspect.

The lawlessness of this country is unparalleled in modern history...even Nazi Germany is beginning to pale by comparison....especially in terms of crimes like depleted uranium and death squads travelling around the world killing innocent civilians for US 'interests'

I hope the shake up and calling to accounts will occur during my lifetime.

gc

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

This is an edited and slightly altered version of John Judge's 1985 article found here:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/Joh ... stown.html

Mondovista stole it, did some minor editing and ran it without attribution, passing it off as their own work. Assholes.

John Judge's work is excellent. I have another article that analyzes the precise psychological coercions that were used by Jim Jones. It is valuable as a template for our larger culture.

'Self-justification' is the most important dynamic I learned from this analysis of Jonestown.
Note that the photo has been digitally scrambled. Hmm.

Highly recommended article--
http://www.guyanaca.com/features/jonestown.html

[HMKGrey]

Slightly different tack... but I have a picture disc music album which contains a recording of the last 48 minutes or so at Jonestown, Guyana as the suicides happened.

I bought it from a mail order service allied to Throbbing Gristle/Psychic TV back in the 80's when I was a TG/PTV nut. It's one of 900 or so that was made and is hand numbered in gold as "#23".

I think that when I bought it, it was touted as a soundtrack that the CIA had secretly recorded and which had then been released under a FOIA request.

Anyway, it's 48 minutes of intensely unsettling and peculiar noise. Lots of shrieking and wailing with Jones talking about planes and not upsetting the children and then gently urging people to lie down and sleep. It ends with minimal wailing against the sound of a slowly dying tape machine playing hymns.

I have no idea about its authenticity. The album itself is in a clear sleeve but it has pictures of scenes from Jonetown printed on the record.

If people are interested in hearing it, I'll upload it to a filesharing site.

I'm not proud to own this. But I do.

[Having written that, I now have a powerful sense of deja vu. Apologies if I've mentioned this disc before.]

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Slightly different tack... but I have a picture disc music album which contains a recording of the last 48 minutes or so at Jonestown, Guyana as the suicides happened.
.....
If people are interested in hearing it, I'll upload it to a filesharing site.

I'm not proud to own this. But I do.

[Having written that, I now have a powerful sense of deja vu. Apologies if I've mentioned this disc before.]

That's mighty unusual. Especially since so many people were murdered rather than 'suicided.' That might be what some of the sounds are, murders.

One might wonder whether this recording was faked and released to reinforce the cover story. And by who?

There's a new documentary about Jim Jones out and the premiere in the SF Bay area had his adopted son, Jim Jones Jr., and the film maker doing q&a after the movie. There was nothing about the CIA in the documentary and the two men denied any CIA connection to Jones when asked. The film was underwritten by the Ford Foundation. And we know who they are fronts for.

A short clip of the death sounds on your record is included in the new documentary and there's lots of film footage of Jonestown before the liquidation.

That place was heavily archived.

[greencrow0]

Yup...

when you think about it, it's exactly the same scenario they always use...


'one lone nut'.

gc

[NaturalMystik]

I saw a jonestown doc a little while ago and was quite shocked by the whole thing. It's so haunting. I mean I knew "the story of the kool-aid", but I totally wasn't prepared for what I saw... It got worse though. As I started to do some research on the topic I couldn't believe how much deeper it seemed to go, the whole concept of a CIA sponsored mind control camp. It put the whole thing in context, horrifying context... Those people were all slaughtered, the poison I think played a small role in the massacre.

I could never listen to that record of the audio. But I'm curious if there were gun shots heard.

I'm also convinced that these sorts of mind control cults/camps are producing "wild cards". In the game of national mind control, you can pull out your wild cards and see what happens. ie. drop a wild card in the middle of a mall/school/office/etc with a gun and push the button...

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Jim Hougan has on his website the best history of Jim Jones' CIA career I can find-

http://jimhougan.com/index2.html

This year is the 30th anniversary of the Jonestown massacre of 914 people, many murdered, not suicide. BIG cover up.

The whistleblower who finally 'shone the light on the monster' and compelled CIA watchdog, Congressman Leo Ryan, to fly down and have a look into Jonestown, Deborah Layton, escaped Jonestown and spent three days telling her archaelogist brother what she'd seen, including the very spook-style radio room with code names for other countries. The code for the USA was..."Rex."

Jim Jones was from Indiana. That's where he was childhood friends with the man who became the CIA's torture expert, Dan Mitrione.

About the same time, 1978-1979, DEA agent Michael Levine was trying to expose the CIA's protection of old Nazi, Klaus Barbie, in Bolivia. Barbie and CIA-protected cocaine moguls staged the so-called Cocaine Coup in that country in 1980.
Americans needed another dose of US vs Nazi propaganda.

Ex-CIA asset, Terry Reed, was in 1994 blowing the whistle about drugs being flown into the Arkansas airport where he trained Contra pilots near a town called Nella.

Deborah Layton finally did get around to writing her Jonestown expose called
'Seductive Poison.'

Hollywood is used to generate decoy narratives to hide scandals like these with mnemonic inoculations and keyword hijacking to pre-bias perceptions and definitions.

These are all the mnemonic ingredients for Steven CIA Spielberg's-
>'Indiana Jones' (1981) series began right after Cocaine Coup, soon included a "temple of doom"
>'Jurassic Park' (1993) 15th anniversary of Jonestown, Crichton writes spook subtexts
plus
>'Nell' (1994) year of Terry Reed's book about Nella airport drugs and an image of a babbling woman from the wilderness who only talked to her twin, a Deborah Layton-Jonestown whistleblower discrediting mirror.

The many Jonestown-related mirrors, meme-reversals, and negative framing of women in 'Jurassic Park' make it quite a fascinating example of counterpropaganda to analyze.

People would be quite surprised find out that they were conditioned to see birds (use of everyday triggers) and think of 'Jurassic Park' (repeated reference and final movie image) as a reinforcement of Jonestown counterpropaganda.

Going to the movies? "Don't watch the koolaid."