Audio Clip on JFK, Jr. Flight Released

[chiggerbit]

Emphasis mine.

http://singlepilot.net/2007/02/06/audio ... -released/

Almost eight years after John F. Kennedy Jr. died in a plane crash off the coast of Martha’s Vineyard, federal officials on Tuesday released an audio clip of an airport intern and a Federal Aviation Administration dispatcher discussing the missing plane.

A transcript of the conversation between Adam Budd, a 21-year-old college student employed at the Martha’s Vineyard Airport, and the call center at the FAA’s Automated Flight Service Station in Bridgeport, Conn., was made public four days after the July 16, 1999, crash.

The audio clip released Tuesday by the Department of Transportation was the result of a federal Freedom of Information Act request filed by broadcasters after the crash. A portion of it was aired on Boston’s WFXT-TV.

Budd, who generally performed clerical tasks, is heard speaking in a hushed tone, his voice slightly quaking as he asks whether the FAA can track Kennedy’s plane.

“Well, who are you?” an unidentified FAA dispatcher asks.

“I’m with airport operations,” Budd says, failing to identify which airport until the dispatcher asks.

Budd then says: “Actually, Kennedy Jr.’s on board. He’s uh, they want to know, uh, where he is.”

When the operator told Budd he wouldn’t give the information over the phone, Budd backed off.

“OK, well, if it’s too much trouble, it’s … I’ll just have ‘em wait. … It’s not a big deal,” he says, according to the transcript.

Budd’s call came in at 10:05 p.m., four hours before a search and rescue mission was assembled after a family friend called the Coast Guard.
Kennedy, the 38-year-old son and namesake of America’s 35th president, was flying with his wife, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, 33, and his sister-in-law, Lauren Bessette, 34, when his six-seat, single-engine Piper Saratoga crashed seven miles south of his Martha’s Vineyard home. All three were killed.

A report by the National Transportation Safety Board blamed pilot error for the crash, saying Kennedy, who had been flying for 15 months, was not skilled enough for low-visibility nighttime flying and became disoriented in the hazy sky.

[sunny]

Somebody needs to ask Mr. Adam Budd about the people who wanted to locate JFKjr before he was reported missing.

[erosoplier]

I think he was reported missing, and 4 hours later they started searching for him - the Budd guy was responding to the earliest reports that he was overdue.

Why did they wait 4 hours to start looking?

John Hankey video here 3/4 down the page - "Assasination of JFK Jr"

[greencrow0]

When are Teddy and Caroline going to speak up about the murders of JFK and JFK Jr. I can see Caroline not wanting to raise a ruckus because she's got young children...but Teddy, he might as well spend the rest of his days trying to get justice for the family.

gc

[erosoplier]

Budd’s call came in at 10:05 p.m., four hours before a search and rescue mission was assembled after a family friend called the Coast Guard.
Kennedy, the 38-year-old son and namesake of America’s 35th president, was flying with his wife, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, 33, and his sister-in-law, Lauren Bessette, 34, when his six-seat, single-engine Piper Saratoga crashed seven miles south of his Martha’s Vineyard home. All three were killed.

A report by the National Transportation Safety Board blamed pilot error for the crash, saying Kennedy, who had been flying for 15 months, was not skilled enough for low-visibility nighttime flying and became disoriented in the hazy sky.

Funny, I was re-watching the first part of the Hankey video (which says 90% of what he has to say, incidentally), and Hankey claims that JFK Jr had 9 flying instructors over a period of 17 years. Whereas the above report claims the 38 year old rich kid had been flying for 15 months. I wonder which, if either, is correct?

Also, that first sentence in bold above seems to be throwing doubt on precisely the wrong person/entity. The plane, as of 9.39pm, was due to make a landing at Martha's Vineyard airport at 9.45pm, so someone calling the FAA at 10.05pm to enquire about the plane's whereabouts is right on the money. And it was Adam Budd that made this call - a baggage handler at MVA and licenced pilot himself - at the behest of the friends of JFK Jr's sister in-law who were waiting for her at the airport, who were expecting her to arrive at 9.30pm. What the above report doesn't make clear is the FAA were busy sitting on their hands when Budd called at 10.05pm. The plane was in a thousand pieces in the sea at 10.05pm and someone in the FAA knew it. Alarms go off when a plane goes below 100ft, and when a plane's radar blip disappears, and the FAA is the agency responsible for monitoring these things. A search was only begun when friends contacted the coast guard at 2am. The FAA did nothing from 9.45pm onwards. The Pentagon soon took over all media relations. The Pentagon!

And finally, take a look at the flight path of the plane (in the Hankey video). How exactly is a 2500ft plunge into the sea explained by the inexperience of a pilot, JFK Jr, who "was not skilled enough for low-visibility nighttime flying?" I've never flown a plane, but I don't see how inexperience - whether it's 15 months or 17 years worth of inexperience - can convert into a 2500ft plunge into the sea.

I don't know the first thing about "singlepilot.net" but the story they run here appears to be wrong on most counts.

[vigilantwarrior]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/200 ... acces.html

"A search for recordings between Kennedy and controllers at a second airport closer to the crash site turned up nothing, according to the government's letter."

"The government granted ABC News' request for post-crash conversations between an intern at the Martha's Vineyard airport and an Federal Aviation Administration employee discussing JFK Jr.'s missing plane, hours after it was expected to land."

9:45 - 10:05 = 20 minutes

[MinM]

10-years ago today:

[8bitagent]

When are Teddy and Caroline going to speak up about the murders of JFK and JFK Jr. I can see Caroline not wanting to raise a ruckus because she's got young children...but Teddy, he might as well spend the rest of his days trying to get justice for the family.

gc

Yeah and I see RFK Jr going on and on about the usual pop mainstream liberal blather...

Id be reminding viewers how his dad and uncle were murdered by elements without our own government for deciding to turn against the agents of evil and the power of corruption.

Anyone remember how Michael Kennedy died on the ski slopes in early 1998, then a day later Senator Sonny Bono also died in a similar fashion?

[DrVolin]

I've never flown a plane, but I don't see how inexperience - whether it's 15 months or 17 years worth of inexperience - can convert into a 2500ft plunge into the sea.

That part isn't actually suspicious. In that sense, if there is a cover story, it is well constructed. If a pilot with Visual Flight Rules (VFR) training only loses sight of the horizon, very bad things can happen. For example, the plane can become inverted without the pilot knowing it, as long as he keeps a force of about 1g towards the bottom of the plane.

If there is a bit of back pressure on the controls, the plane can start to turn more and more steeply without the pilot realizing it, and can end up in an inverted dive. Many pilots who are not trained to fly by instruments only have died this way in bad weather and at night.

[justdrew]

Budd’s call came in at 10:05 p.m., four hours before a search and rescue mission was assembled after a family friend called the Coast Guard.

he'd radio'd the martha's vinyard airport at 9:39, 5 minutes away from landing. Why would the airport even wait 'til 10:05 to do anything? and then why would that something be having this idiot Budd make an ineffectual call he was not remotely capable of making?

Obviously an assassination. when he radio'd the airport, the assholes with the EMP bazooka (or whatever) on the coast had positive ID on the target and fired.

It's obvious.

[justdrew]

I've never flown a plane, but I don't see how inexperience - whether it's 15 months or 17 years worth of inexperience - can convert into a 2500ft plunge into the sea.

the plane can become inverted without the pilot knowing it, as long as he keeps a force of about 1g towards the bottom of the plane.

the artificial horizon meter doesn't prevent this lack of awareness?

and...
the extended NTSB report says...
"The conditions near the crash site were "Clear skies at or below 12,000 feet; visibility 10 miles".

http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief2.asp?ev_id=20001212X19354&ntsbno=NYC99MA178&akey=1

[justdrew]

and WHY did these pentagon fucks take over and come out lying their shit eating faces off?

and why did dubya vanish from his campaign for three days RIGHT THEN? that's just too much of a damn coincidence. Anyway people running for president don't vanish from their campaigns for three days. It just doesn't happen. except for bush.

great video MinM, thanks... another link to it...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3179462717908405974&ei=zIFaSuD2EILCqQK_3dn1Bg

what has ever became of Petty Officer Todd Burgun? Where is he now?

and what became of this lying shit known as Colonel Roark?
looks like he got paid off nicely...

here's his linkedin::
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/steve-roark/11/1b7/b61

[Bridge It]

It's a beautiful island where they got married. I always wondered why in the world they chose Cumberland. Sort of foreboding in that the Carnegies are nothing but ruins on Cumberland, only their horses run free. St. Marys and all of Camden Co. GA is full of magick.

[sunny]

and WHY did these pentagon fucks take over and come out lying their shit eating faces off?

and why did dubya vanish from his campaign for three days RIGHT THEN? that's just too much of a damn coincidence. Anyway people running for president don't vanish from their campaigns for three days. It just doesn't happen. except for bush.

great video MinM, thanks... another link to it...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3179462717908405974&ei=zIFaSuD2EILCqQK_3dn1Bg

what has ever became of Petty Officer Todd Burgun? Where is he now?

and what became of this lying shit known as Colonel Roark?
looks like he got paid off nicely...

here's his linkedin::
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/steve-roark/11/1b7/b61

Also, it seems like a high probability that a flight instructor was on board, but the only complaint I have about the film is that it doesn't illustrate what if any efforts were made to locate the guy whose name flashes on the screen for a moment. (John something?) I would be interested to know more about him and whether he could, in fact, be located. A flight instructor of Kennedy's who went missing at the same time of the crash would be a pretty huge smoking gun.

[rrapt]

Madam, I understand you are in possession of a smoking gun. Hand it over please.