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I was just reading through CBS' online comments about the Virginia shootings, and came across a possible detail about Columbine shooter Eric Harris that I hadn't been aware of, so I did some googling. Sorry if this is a repeat. Anybody know anything about this?

See link for entire article.

http://www.konformist.com/1999/colorado/rhorror1.htm

"....Perhaps one of the most blatant indications of official coverup is the fact that neither the verbatim transcripts of documents retrieved from Eric Harris's website, NOR the footage from Columbine High School's security cameras have been released to the public. This fact is literally screaming official coverup and disinformation: is anyone listening? Why hasn't this material been made fully public? Very likely because it would utterly disprove certain key elements of the "official" story.

ERIC... OR WAYNE?
Further information indicates that Eric's father Wayne could well have been more than a little involved in certain activities leading up to the massacre AND involved in the material posted on what was supposedly Eric's website. It also appears likely Wayne Harris was involved in the numerous tests of explosives described on the website.

Wayne Harris was stationed for many years at Plattsburgh Air Force Base in NY, a location with a verified 18-level underground known to be involved in mind control operations tied to MKULTRA, and other covert operations. Eric Harris was born and raised at Plattsburgh, and the family just moved to Littleton in 1996.

I reprint here a portion of an email received from an employee of an NBC affiliate TV station.

"I was lucky to download the scanned drawings and "the book" document from the AOL directory that allegedly belonged to Eric Harris. MSNBC showed the drawings and also mentioned the document which was "unreadable" due to the format in which it was saved. I saw that and immediately went to the MSNBC chat room and asked the address and one of the persons there gave it to me, so I downloaded it.

"After a while, MSNBC said that the AOL account was going to be deleted and that 'the FBI is analyzing the document which may implicate the father of Eric Harris'...

"I tried to view the document which had a .doc extension but it was unreadable in Word 97. didn't have time to check it out until Thursday, and I finally got to it. Do you have that document? It is the one that shows how to make the pipe bombs etc. The interesting fact about it is that when you read the document it appears that it was no kid who wrote it.

"I gave this information to the News department where I work. They were 'amazed' about the true nature of the letter but when they finished reading they 'threw' out the papers and didn't care a thing about it. That was the reporter who was following the story! I don't know but that is very suspicious. I sent the letter to the News Directory and I got the same result. What is happening? Are they following a pre-defined news agenda?"

This investigator has in fact come into possession of the text of the documents retrieved from Harris's website, cited above. The text itself reveals some astonishing and heretofore unpublicized information.

The drawings from the website which have been made public would indeed seem to be the work of an adolescent: in fact they contrast rather sharply with the generally proficient command of language evident in the text on the website.

The text, among it's rabid ravings and omnipresent, oppressive litany of hate and devastation, also details ongoing, extensive, thorough and methodical testing of various and sundry methods of mass murder and mayhem, and additionally makes references to a group cryptically referred to only as "DELTA" as being involved with such testing and research! There seems a distinct possibility this refers to Delta Force-related operations. There are also references to problems in carrying out certain tests due to some "war," and other references to difficulties in procuring gasoline due to an IMPENDING war (apparently a reference to something which hadn't yet happened and something thus obviously unknown to most people--except someone with ties to the [covert] government? In fact, perhaps a reference to impending military action in Kosovo and the simultaneous manipulation of gas prices in the U.S.?)

Overall I find a great number of indications in this material that this is not Eric Harris's (or not only) writing, but that of someone older. How could this guy have been carrying out the kinds of activities here without someone, certainly a PARENT, knowing what the hell was going on? And WHERE could all this testing have been done, no matter if Eric or his father were conducting it? At a government-operated training facility of some kind? There are references which could indeed indicate a link to Delta Force training programs.

Wayne Harris is also indicated in coded data at the end of the document as the author of the documents, though that could be some kind of default setting related to product registration or other files. Much more significant is the extent of the research, preparation and testing of various explosives cited in the website document.

It is a fact that Eric Harris owned and utilized his own computer for his website; Wayne Harris's computer and software wouldn't likely have been utilized in the creation of what was supposedly Eric Harris's website without the father's knowledge; and if so, that Eric would have been so extra-ordinarily careful as to leave absolutely no files, data or any other clues to such apparently continual activity for his father to find.

Of course it seems unbelievable as well that Mr. Harris could be unaware of things like bomb-making materials and sawed-off shotgun barrels lying around his son's room.

As noted, Wayne Harris was a member of the Air Force for many years stationed at New York's Plattsburgh Air Force Base. Plattsburgh has been known for some time as a site for covert operations, including "psy-ops" and other mind control-related research. Son Eric was born and raised at Plattsburgh--certainly a very likely and easy target for covert mind control operations aimed at young people. Wayne Harris could very likely have connections to other military and intelligence agencies such as Delta Force.

Wayne Harris now will not talk to investigators of the Columbine High slaughter without a grant of immunity from prosecution...."

I dunno...

I'd like to see the footage and website material released--maybe 'like' is the wrong word, but they should be available.

I have a vague sense of people having criticized the police/sheriff/etc. response to the shooting--maybe that's what's being hidden.

Or maybe the footage is too brutal? (Doesn't seem like that would be much of a barrier these days, but if it's the school's footage, maybe they're restrained by fear of law suits by families of vicitims.)

I don't like making excuses for PTB actions--but I can see a lot of reasons for holding things back.

BUT I'd be interested in hearing more on this--especially on the Wayne Harris/USAF base connection. How do we 'know' that there are 18 underground levels at that base? There are a lot of less than solid conclusion mixed in with the harder fact-nuggets, but if the 'facts' turned out to actually be sound/known facts, the shaky parts would look a bit less shaky.

One thing I don't understand--who actually saw the material being discussed? If the person posting at konformist.com had that material, why not just post it her/himself?

Hi chigger.
These two articles (Both by Dave McGowan) peeked my interest back in 2000.

[url=http://www.whale.to/b/gowan1.html]Anatomy of a School Shooting
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Ruminations on Littleton

I know I said I'd keep my mouth shut for a stint, but i wish you would post more

Port Arthur
http://www.shootersnews.addr.com/snportarthur.html

10 years later, "the real story" behind Columbine

They weren't goths or loners.

The two teenagers who killed 13 people and themselves at suburban Denver's Columbine High School 10 years ago next week weren't in the "Trenchcoat Mafia," disaffected videogamers who wore cowboy dusters. The killings ignited a national debate over bullying, but the record now shows Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold hadn't been bullied — in fact, they had bragged in diaries about picking on freshmen and "fags."

Their rampage put schools on alert for "enemies lists" made by troubled students, but the enemies on their list had graduated from Columbine a year earlier. Contrary to early reports, Harris and Klebold weren't on antidepressant medication and didn't target jocks, blacks or Christians, police now say, citing the killers' journals and witness accounts. That story about a student being shot in the head after she said she believed in God?

Never happened, the FBI says now.

A decade after Harris and Klebold made Columbine a synonym for rage, new information — including several books that analyze the tragedy through diaries, e-mails, appointment books, videotape, police affidavits and interviews with witnesses, friends and survivors — indicate that much of what the public has been told about the shootings is wrong.

In fact, the pair's suicidal attack was planned as a grand — if badly implemented — terrorist bombing that quickly devolved into a 49-minute shooting rampage when the bombs Harris built fizzled.

"He was so bad at wiring those bombs, apparently they weren't even close to working," says Dave Cullen, author of Columbine, a new account of the attack.

So whom did they hope to kill?

Everyone — including friends.

What's left, after peeling away a decade of myths, is perhaps more comforting than the "good kids harassed into retaliation" narrative — or perhaps not.

It's a portrait of Harris and Klebold as a sort of In Cold Blood criminal duo — a deeply disturbed, suicidal pair who over more than a year psyched each other up for an Oklahoma City-style terrorist bombing, an apolitical, over-the-top revenge fantasy against years of snubs, slights and cruelties, real and imagined.

Along the way, they saved money from after-school jobs, took Advanced Placement classes, assembled a small arsenal and fooled everyone — friends, parents, teachers, psychologists, cops and judges.

"These are not ordinary kids who were bullied into retaliation," psychologist Peter Langman writes in his new book, Why Kids Kill: Inside the Minds of School Shooters. "These are not ordinary kids who played too many video games. These are not ordinary kids who just wanted to be famous. These are simply not ordinary kids. These are kids with serious psychological problems."

Deceiving the adults

Harris, who conceived the attacks, was more than just troubled. He was, psychologists now say, a cold-blooded, predatory psychopath — a smart, charming liar with "a preposterously grand superiority complex, a revulsion for authority and an excruciating need for control," Cullen writes.

Harris, a senior, read voraciously and got good grades when he tried, pleasing his teachers with dazzling prose — then writing in his journal about killing thousands.

"I referred to him — and I'm dating myself — as the Eddie Haskel of Columbine High School," says Principal Frank DeAngelis, referring to the deceptively polite teen on the 1950s and '60s sitcom Leave it to Beaver. "He was the type of kid who, when he was in front of adults, he'd tell you what you wanted to hear."

When he wasn't, he mixed napalm in the kitchen .

According to Cullen, one of Harris' last journal entries read: "I hate you people for leaving me out of so many fun things. And no don't … say, 'Well that's your fault,' because it isn't, you people had my phone #, and I asked and all, but no. No no no don't let the weird-looking Eric KID come along."

As he walked into the school the morning of April 20, Harris' T-shirt read: Natural Selection.

Klebold, on the other hand, was anxious and lovelorn, summing up his life at one point in his journal as "the most miserable existence in the history of time," Langman notes.

Harris drew swastikas in his journal; Klebold drew hearts.

As laid out in their writings, the contrast between the two was stark.

Harris seemed to feel superior to everyone — he once wrote, "I feel like God and I wish I was, having everyone being OFFICIALLY lower than me" — while Klebold was suicidally depressed and getting angrier all the time. "Me is a god, a god of sadness," he wrote in September 1997, around his 16th birthday.

Klebold also was paranoid. "I have always been hated, by everyone and everything," he wrote.

On the day of the attacks, his T-shirt read: Wrath.

Shooter profiles emerge

Columbine wasn't the first K-12 school shooting. But at the time it was by far the worst, and the first to play out largely on live television.

The U.S. Secret Service and U.S. Education Department soon began studying school shooters. In 2002, researchers presented their first findings: School shooters, they said, followed no set profile, but most were depressed and felt persecuted.

Princeton sociologist Katherine Newman, co-author of the 2004 book Rampage: The Social Roots of School Shootings, says young people such as Harris and Klebold are not loners — they're just not accepted by the kids who count. "Getting attention by becoming notorious is better than being a failure."

The Secret Service found that school shooters usually tell other kids about their plans.

"Other students often even egg them on," says Newman, who led a congressionally mandated study on school shootings. "Then they end up with this escalating commitment. It's not a sudden snapping."

Langman, whose book profiles 10 shooters, including Harris and Klebold, found that nine suffered from depression and suicidal thoughts, a "potentially dangerous" combination, he says. "It is hard to prevent murder when killers do not care if they live or die. It is like trying to stop a suicide bomber."

At the time, Columbine became a kind of giant national Rorschach test. Observers saw its genesis in just about everything: lax parenting, lax gun laws, progressive schooling, repressive school culture, violent video games, antidepressant drugs and rock 'n' roll, for starters.

Many of the Columbine myths emerged before the shooting stopped, as rumors, misunderstandings and wishful thinking swirled in an echo chamber among witnesses, survivors, officials and the news media.

Police contributed to the mess by talking to reporters before they knew facts — a hastily called news conference by the Jefferson County sheriff that afternoon produced the first headline: "Twenty-five dead in Colorado."

A few inaccuracies took hours to clear up, but others took weeks or months — sometimes years — as authorities reluctantly set the record straight.

Former Rocky Mountain News reporter Jeff Kass, author of a new book, Columbine: A True Crime Story, says police played a game of "Open Records charades."

In one case, county officials took five years just to acknowledge that they had met in secret after the attacks to discuss a 1998 affidavit for a search warrant on Harris' home — it was the result of a complaint against him by the mother of a former friend. Harris had threatened her son on his website and bragged that he had been building bombs.

Police already had found a small bomb matching Harris' description near his home — but investigators never presented the affidavit to a judge.

They also apparently didn't know that Harris and Klebold were on probation after having been arrested in January 1998 for breaking into a van and stealing electronics.

The search finally took place, but only after the shootings.

Meticulous planning

What's now beyond dispute — largely from the killers' journals, which have been released over the past few years, is this: Harris and Klebold killed 13 and wounded 24, but they had hoped to kill thousands.

The pair planned the attacks for more than a year, building 100 bombs and persuading friends to buy them guns. Just after 11 a.m. on April 20, they lugged a pair of duffel bags containing propane-tank bombs into Columbine's crowded cafeteria and another into the kitchen, then stepped outside and waited.

Had the bombs exploded, they'd have killed virtually everyone eating lunch and brought the school's second-story library down atop the cafeteria, police say. Armed with a pistol, a rifle and two sawed-off shotguns, the pair planned to pick off survivors fleeing the carnage.

As a last terrorist act, a pair of gasoline bombs planted in Harris' Honda and Klebold's BMW had been rigged apparently to kill police, rescue teams, journalists and parents who rushed to the school — long after the pair expected they would be dead.

The pair had parked the cars about 100 yards apart in the student lot. The bombs didn't go off.

Looking for answers at home

Since 1999, many people have looked to the boys' parents for answers, but a transcript of their 2003 court-ordered deposition to the victims' parents remains sealed until 2027.

The Klebolds spoke to New York Times columnist David Brooks in 2004 and impressed Brooks as "a well-educated, reflective, highly intelligent couple" who spent plenty of time with their son. They said they had no clues about Dylan's mental state and regretted not seeing that he was suicidal.

Could the parents have prevented the massacre? The FBI special agent in charge of the investigation has gone on record as having "the utmost sympathy" for the Harris and Klebold families.

"They have been vilified without information," retired supervisory special agent Dwayne Fuselier tells Cullen.

Cullen, who has spent most of the past decade poring over the record, comes away with a bit of sympathy.

For one thing, he notes, Harris' parents "knew they had a problem — they thought they were dealing with it. What kind of parent is going to think, 'Well, maybe Eric's a mass murderer.' You just don't go there."

He got a good look at the boys' writings only in the past couple of years. Among the revelations: Eric Harris was financing what could well have been the biggest domestic terrorist attack on U.S. soil on wages from a part-time job at a pizza parlor.

"One of the scary things is that money was one of the limiting factors here," Cullen says.

Had Harris, then 18, put off the attacks for a few years and landed a well-paying job, he says, "he could be much more like Tim McVeigh," mixing fertilizer bombs like those used in Oklahoma City in 1995.As it was, he says, the fact that Harris carried out the attack when he did probably saved hundreds of lives.

"His limited salary probably limited the number of people who died."

Contributing: Marilyn Elias, USA TODAY
http://digg.com/d1oeOz

(A bit strange to read the first comment and realize it was mine--I'd forgotten about this thread.)

One look at the picture at the top of this article and it immediately struck me: the videos and journals of Klebold and Harris would play on the minds of a lot of impressionable, 'weird', outcast types (as they might be viewed/described by their peers). It's not easy to say, but I think it's wise to keep powerful images of this sort from full, public disclosure. I'm not comfortable saying that because it's the sort of justification used to cover up misconduct or hide downright illegal actions.

But we don't let kids drink, drive, buy firearms--for good reason.

We don't let recipes for explosives sit out where curious 11 and 12 year-olds who like fireworks can be tempted by such.

And there are 15, 16 and 17 year olds who'd take to a an image of power/control over a cafeteria of their fellow students with a willful disregard of the real lives/suffering/emotions--instead, glorying in how closely they'd followed the 'path' of Klebold and Harris (or even, one upped it).

I had a pretty messed-up kid in my class who played the game of kissing up to authority while secretly breaking the rules. His way of doing so was more about B&E and he's done some jail time as a result. I had a sense of his being responsible for a break-in and forwarded his name to authorities but nothing ever happened--'til he posted something online somewhere that somehow led to a string of thefts being solved and his (and others') involvement finally came out. I'd asked another teacher about him but they said 'Oh no. Not him--he's a good kid.' (or words to that effect).

I'm not claiming great powers of perception or anything--there's assuredly a lot that I'm not wise to, as far as students getting away with things, etc.--but having had that experience I'm more inclined to see the need to guard against immature, anti-social-types looking for an identity to take on.

If I sound less than fullly sympathetic, I'd add this: the young man I'm talking about lived in my neighborhood. As I say, he was on my radar and I was apparently on his (there may have been an element of his playing with me--at least in his head--seeing whether I still thought of him as the good, friendly kid while he had his secret, other life) and during the time he was 'active' my house was egged three times.

THere were other kids I'd had run-ins with (I hope I'm now a wiser, less confrontational teacher--now I try to act according to the idea that laughter succeed where lecturing fails, etc.) and I thought about them as possible egg throwers--but when they finally 'got' the kid I'm talking about for his other deeds, the egging stopped, and a lot of other pieces fell into place.

Kind of a tough thing to role a kid over from the "(misunderstood) youth/victim of the system" category to the "a-hole/perp of malicious, selfish crimes" category, but older perps gotta start somehow/sometime.

I hope that kid's gotten himself together now. I don't want to have further interactions with him, but I'd be glad to hear he was doing O.K. now.

(but it'd be a good, long time before I'd trust him in any substantive way.)

Has HMWs's manic ranting taught you nothing?

USA Psyop Today wrote:They weren't goths or loners...

OMG, people who act normal commit acts of violence

That story about a student being shot in the head after she said she believed in God?

Never happened, the FBI says now.

Well, that's a relief, no god-fearing Xians will go to the coliseum this week, or any of them, for about the past 1700 years, either. Also, it's a relief to know that the Hallmark moment never happened.

...much of what the public has been told about the shootings is wrong.

I think I've heard this one before.

In fact, the pair's suicidal attack was planned as a grand — if badly implemented — terrorist bombing that quickly devolved into a 49-minute shooting rampage when the bombs Harris built fizzled.

Some pieces on the "Super-empowered Individual": Here, Here, and [last link removed b/c I can't figure it out. Google "terror and transhumanism .mp3"]


Anyway I'm not going to parse the piece, save to say it says they're normal kids, then they're psychologicall distrubed, then they're normal again, then they're ne'er-do-wells, and includes lines intended to shock like "made napalm"--every Boy Scout in America knows how to do that. If I was HMWs I'd say it was part of a cognitive-dissonance generating psy-op, but since it's in USA Today I'd personally say it's an example of shitty editing and needing to fill the weekly quota.

But then the psy-op starts:

He got a good look at the boys' writings only in the past couple of years. Among the revelations: Eric Harris was financing what could well have been the biggest domestic terrorist attack on U.S. soil on wages from a part-time job at a pizza parlor.

"One of the scary things is that money was one of the limiting factors here," Cullen says.

Had Harris, then 18, put off the attacks for a few years and landed a well-paying job, he says, "he could be much more like Tim McVeigh," mixing fertilizer bombs like those used in Oklahoma City in 1995.As it was, he says, the fact that Harris carried out the attack when he did probably saved hundreds of lives.

"His limited salary probably limited the number of people who died."

Wait, did you catch that? "Bombs" with an S? I thought OKC was one bomb...

Anyway it's clear where this is going: All the dissonance makes the Harris-Klebold love triangle out to look like some disaffected "clear-skin" terrorists... just like McVeigh, right? I mean, no one could have known that him, Randy Nichols and John Doe 1 & 2 were planning to re-enact the Turner Diaries, right? Because McVeigh = Disaffected high school kid? Never mind the particulars, like the "the German," or the Iraqi involvement, or Elohim City. Remember: disaffected normal people. Psychopaths: the invisible threat. No underlying political cause. No parapolitical support. Nothing to see here. Move along. "Who controls the past..."

They are trying to paint them as ideological terrorists now. This stinks to high heaven. Look at the USA Today article.

Their rampage put schools on alert for "enemies lists" made by troubled students, but the enemies on their list had graduated from Columbine a year earlier. Contrary to early reports, Harris and Klebold weren't on antidepressant medication and didn't target jocks, blacks or Christians, police now say, citing the killers' journals and witness accounts. That story about a student being shot in the head after she said she believed in God?

That is an outright and blatant lie. They absolutely were on psychiatric drugs. I wrote a paper on this incident years ago. This is PR and damage control for the psychiatric drugs industry, probably because they are getting ready to start forcing medication on people in the name of "universal healthcare". Wait and see.

This is to distract us from the fact that psychiatric drugs make people flip out and kill themselves and others. Look at *every* school shooting. Almost all of the shooters were on the drugs and often hospitalized prior to going on a killing spree. And of course the excuse will be that they stopped taking the medication and that's why they flipped out.

These drugs were invented to destroy the natural human aversion to killing other humans. That's why the military is all about them.

[citation needed]

there are a lot of things in the first article that would be a lot better with, y'know, a reference or two for such extraordinary claims.

i especially liked the guilt-by-association using Plattsburgh Air Force Base. i used to live there myself. [OMG i am teh theta assasin!!1!]

FBI investigator's son linked to case

http://judicial-inc.biz/Col_Dwayne_Fuselier.htm

One of the FBI's dirtiest secrets is that Dwayne Fuselier the FBI agent in charge of the Columbine investigation, had at least one son in the Trench Coat Mafia. When a Denver news reporter questioned him, he refused to even discuss it.

http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2008/ ... -lied.html

"Jew and FBI Agent"?

Nice, foislastus.

anyone have an archive of the stuff that WAS here:

Lear's Shadow
http://home.eol.ca/~dord/

it's not in archive.org

Sometimes I love this site.

justdrew wrote:anyone have an archive of the stuff that WAS here:

Lear's Shadow
http://home.eol.ca/~dord/

it's not in archive.org

After reading the above I was curious about archive.org--in polking around the wikipedia entry on it, there's this about how sites might be retroactively cleaned/cleared from Archive.org's files:

Robots.txt is used as part of the Robots Exclusion Standard, a voluntary protocol the Internet Archive respects that disallows bots from indexing certain pages delineated by the creator as off-limits. As a result, the Internet Archive has rendered unavailable a number of websites that are now inaccessible through the Wayback Machine. This is sometimes due to a new domain owner placing a robots.txt file that disallows indexing of the site. The administrators claim to be working on a system that will allow access to that previous material while excluding material created after the point the domain switched hands.[citation needed] Currently, the Internet Archive applies robots.txt rules retroactively; if a site blocks the Internet Archive, like Healthcare Advocates, any previously archived pages from the domain are also rendered unavailable. In cases of blocked sites, only the robots.txt file is archived. This practice would appear to be detrimental to researchers looking for information that was available in the past.
However, the Internet Archive also states that, "sometimes a web site owner will contact us directly and ask us to stop crawling or archiving a site. We comply with these requests." [29] They also say, "The Internet Archive is not interested in preserving or offering access to Web sites or other Internet documents of persons who do not want their materials in the collection."[30]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive

Marking the 10th anniversary of the Columbine school shooting, we welcome researcher William K. Zabel,..

Binall of America audio
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