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Too important to disappear in the Videos Only thread:

DIRECTED BY JONÁS CUARÓN. Alfonso Cuarón, director of "Children of Men", and Naomi Klein, author of "No Logo", present a short film from Klein's book "The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism." http://www.shockdoctrine.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kieyjfZDUIc

http://harpers.org/archive/2007/09/hbc-90001181

This new book by Naomi Klein is going to be bigger than John Perkins' 'Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.'

The "shock" of 'The Shock Doctine' is both electro-shock and cultural disaster shock as the same tactic of fascism.

Klein exposes how the CIA has known about the value of disorienting a target to induce regression and that the personal microcosm matches the societal macrocosm in this vulnerability.

Klein writes, "The history of the contemporary free market was written in shocks." She argues that "Some of the most infamous human rights violations of the past thirty-five years, which have tended to be viewed as sadistic acts carried out by anti-democratic regimes, were in fact either committed with the deliberate intent of terrorizing the public or actively harnessed to prepare the ground for the introduction of radical free-market reforms."

So Klein points out that the legislation supporting this corporateering is only jammed through Congress in states of emergency opportunistically so it is not democratically chosen at all. This discredits the claims that 'this way' is the 'inevitable way of history' being peddled to justify it.

So Kleine's book lineates the history of TERRORIST ECONOMICS as practiced by the CIA and their Wall Street-Council On Foreign Relations backers.

Klein is interviewed this week by Amy Goodman on Pacifica Radio's 'Democracy Now!' program. Read the transcript atleast--
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/17/1411235#transcript

The CIA is in big trouble again because Klein exposes how the MK-ULTRA electroshock experiments that erased memory and induced trauma thus making the subject vulnerable to coercion perfectly mirrors the disaster capitalism of the University of Chicago's fascist 'free-marketeers' like Milton Friedman and as (mis)-practiced by his accolyte, Donald Rumsfeld, in Iraq or New Orleans or any of the countries that economic hit man visited.

Counterpropaganda against Klein's book:

1) A few weeks ago I heard an article from National Propaganda Radio all about...electro-shock therapy. It was made to sound common and benign.

2) The recent fake bin Laden video linked democracy to capitalism. And National Propaganda Radio has interviewed some professor who portrayed bin Laden as espousing Marxism. Klein makes the point that democracy is NOT capitalism as it is practiced. So I think part of the fake bin Laden speech was tailored to counter Klein's book.

(on edit: how many ways to spell 'Klein?')

I may be indulging in wishful thinking, but I'm really encouraged by the exposure that Klein and Curarón's video has gotten at the Venice and Toronto Film Festivals--thousands of people who most likely had zero knowledge of the trauma-based mind control programs have now seen archival footage of MKULTRA-era electro-shock treatments AND heard them linked to current covert political manipulation of the masses.

This has got to be a Good Thing. I hope that links to the (very short) video are widely posted online and that more people wake up to the continuing use of government-sponsored mind control data to influence us today. 'Disaster capitalism' is staring us in the face and the Bad Guys are hoping that we're too distracted to notice--let's prove 'em wrong.

LilyPat

Bet the CIA knew Kline's book was in the works and did some pre-emptive PR with that bogus sanitized repeat of the 'family jewels.'

i obviously havent read it yet but i think it looks brilliant,

everyday i traverse a conceptual membrane on the interenet between mainstream news sites and boards and blogs like this,
and this work by naomi klein and the coverage and discussion at the guardians comment is free site is the first time for a while where i have felt a real cross over occurring,
this is a mainstream tying together of globalism, economics, political institutions, violence and mass mind control and trauma,

this really is very important i think

all the above is Reptillians in action.

Fuk the lizards.

what the fuck are you talking about?

smiths wrote:what the fuck are you talking about?

Im talking about cold blooded mass murdering territorial types.

Those who do because they can.

Those beyond both the gaze and control of the likes of you and me.

Those beyond the law.

Those who are abusing humanity and laughing at you and I as they do it .

Thats " What the fuck" Im talking about .

Telexx started a short-lived threadon The Shock Doctrine on Sept. 7 -- and MacCruiskeen left the following comment, which I think bears repeating here:

MacCruiskeen wrote:The title of this interview with NK looks promising. Sadly, though (and pretty strangely), she seems reluctant to consider the idea that crises might well be created by those who want them and need them:

Why Capitalism Needs Terror: An Interview with Naomi Klein
Kenneth Whyte, Maclean's, September 10, 2007

Talking about war, free-market fundamentalism and a breed of politicos who thrive on disaster

INTERVIEWER: There's a school of thought that free markets and democracy go hand in hand and together they make people free and prosperous. You're arguing that free-market ideology has triumphed around the world not because people have embraced the market but because the ideology has been imposed on them, often in moments of distress. Furthermore, these moments of distress have sometimes been created by governments as a pretext to bring in free-market policies. To top it all off, the policies haven't really worked. They've just enriched the people who introduced them. How's that for a summary?

NAOMI KLEIN: That's pretty good. I would quibble with a few things. I don't know that there are examples of the governments themselves creating the crises.

http://www.naomiklein.org/meet-naomi/in ... eds-terror

WTF?

ninakat wrote:Telexx started a short-lived threadon The Shock Doctrine on Sept. 7 -- and MacCruiskeen left the following comment, which I think bears repeating here:

MacCruiskeen wrote:The title of this interview with NK looks promising. Sadly, though (and pretty strangely), she seems reluctant to consider the idea that crises might well be created by those who want them and need them:

Why Capitalism Needs Terror: An Interview with Naomi Klein
Kenneth Whyte, Maclean's, September 10, 2007

Talking about war, free-market fundamentalism and a breed of politicos who thrive on disaster

INTERVIEWER: There's a school of thought that free markets and democracy go hand in hand and together they make people free and prosperous. You're arguing that free-market ideology has triumphed around the world not because people have embraced the market but because the ideology has been imposed on them, often in moments of distress. Furthermore, these moments of distress have sometimes been created by governments as a pretext to bring in free-market policies. To top it all off, the policies haven't really worked. They've just enriched the people who introduced them. How's that for a summary?

NAOMI KLEIN: That's pretty good. I would quibble with a few things. I don't know that there are examples of the governments themselves creating the crises.

http://www.naomiklein.org/meet-naomi/in ... eds-terror

WTF?

I would be tempted to suggest , as perhaps NK is indicating, that this all depends on which "government" were talking about here .

After all, anyone who believes that our "elected representatives" are calling the shots, is surely in the land of nod ?

Sounds like she's distancing herself from "conspiracy theorists." From the same interview:

And you think they feared that more than they feared the Soviet Union in the context of the Cold War?

Well, if you follow the coups, the overthrow of [Prime Minister] Mossadegh in Iran, [President] Arbenz in Guatemala -- these are the first two CIA coups in the '50s -- these were democratic nationalists, and it was always the same pattern of setting up this bogeyman of it's really a Soviet regime in disguise. So if we follow the coups, what we see is a desire to stomp out, systematically, this idea of a middle democratic ground. And they are a threat to U.S. foreign investment, there's no doubt.

If that's not creating crises, I don't know what is. I think maybe it was too broad a statement for her to accept.

Guess I was over optimistic about where Klein is going. She should take my version. lol.

That's a mighty bland economics talk on her own website. She was rather more pointed with Amy Goodman this week and spent a good deal of time on MK-ULTRA personality shaping experiments.

And she does go into Chile and Kissinger which is Operation Condor so she's skirting a very deep hole people can't avoid looking down into.

The easy topic for her is economic theory but that helps get the darker material in front of the kind who read the Wall Street Journal and listen to NPR's Marketplace.

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Guess I was over optimistic about where Klein is going.

Yeah, kinda reminds me of when Adam Curtis's latest film The Trap came out (he created The Century of the Self, The Power of Nightmares, and other gems) and he was interviewed by Blairwatch:

Blairwatch: Would you say that politicians are consciously trying to limit freedoms using Game theory formula?

Adam Curtis: No, I don't agree with that at all. I don't think politicians are trying to limit our freedoms. What I think is that politicians have adopted a model of human beings and a model of how human beings behave in society which is a very limiting and narrow one and that, through unforeseen consequences, has led them into this rather limited world that we have today.

No, I don't think they are trying to control us at all. Politicians always try to manage things but I don't think that they're trying to limit our freedom. If anything, the irony of all this is that freedom is the mantra of our time, from Mrs Thatcher through to Tony Blair as I illustrate at the front of the films, they talk about freedom. And I think, to give them credit, to give them the benefit of the doubt, they genuinely do believe that they are going to achieve freedom, but what I'm trying to say is without realising it, because they haven't examined the roots of the ideas that they are using, it's a very narrow idea of freedom and I think actually it probably may have a purpose and function in times or war but now in a much more complicated world it's actually leading them to the very opposite of freedom which is a limiting thing.

That blew me away. I'm having the same kind of cognitive dissonance with Naomi Klein. I still want to see her film though. I'll interpret it my own way I guess.

Hugh manatee wins wrote:

This new book by Naomi Kline is going to be bigger than John Perkins' 'Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.'

She was rather more pointed with Amy Goodman this week and spent a good deal of time on MK-ULTRA personality shaping experiments.

I don't quite agree with the BIGGER THAN but AS BIG AS....I can work with.

Slimmouse wrote:

all the above is Reptillians in action.

Fuk the lizards.

...Im talking about cold blooded mass murdering territorial types.

Those who do because they can.

Those beyond both the gaze and control of the likes of you and me.

Those beyond the law.

Those who are abusing humanity and laughing at you and I as they do it .

Thats " What the fuck" Im talking about .

Way to go slimmouse!!

I get the impression from the bit of Naomi Klein's writings that I've read that she's beginning to realize that she's treading upon very, very dangerous ground. And she's too intelligent to barge ahead into Fringe Territory, because if she does, her opportunity to wake up the sleeping masses will end abruptly...and I think she knows that.

We desperately NEED people like her who can get a 6 minute documentary shown at film festivals--who are not yet tarred with the "conspiracy nut" label, IOW. The consummately expert inculcation of the "snicker factor" via mass mind control into the US public has made John Perkins and Naomi Klein and the Curaróns an endangered species.

When I watch the hot-heads here denounce them for not going far enough, I want to weep. The Real World is not like movies or TV or graphic novels--there's a corrupt System in place that has to be worked with--at least at first--and, eventually, around. Ignore that and scream abuse and wave your anarchist banner instead and you will accomplish *nothing*. Mass mind control is REAL. The Controllers are REAL. The System is REAL.

Naomi Klein and Perkins are examples of people who are likely to be listened to by people immersed in the System and as such they are absolutely necessary for us to have any hope of change. And I have a personal stake in all this, remember--if anyone wants to see the grazing, dozing Herd awaken, it's me.

Don't dismiss these rarest of rare awakened minds because they don't go far enough to suit you--if they did, they would be instantly be relegated to the Fringe. And you've had time enough here to know how little we can actually DO to change things ourselves. We need the Kleins of this world, believe me. We need to support them and not demonize them because they're taking cautious steps into the monumental mess that the Controllers have made of our world.

LilyPat