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Elect the neocons U.S. President! Vote for Giuliani.

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sun Oct 07, 2007 6:56 am

Would You Buy a Used Hawk From This Man?

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By Michael Hirsh
Newsweek

Oct. 15, 2007 issue - Neocons can't help but slink around Washington, D.C. The Iraq War has given the neoconservatives—who favor the assertive use of American power abroad to spread American values—something of a bad name, and several of the Republican candidates seem less than eager to hire them as advisers. But Rudy Giuliani apparently never got that memo. One of the top foreign-policy consultants to the leading GOP candidate is Norman Podhoretz, a founding father of the neocon movement.

Podhoretz is in favor of bombing Iran because of the country's unwillingness to suspend its uranium-enrichment program. He also believes America is engaged in a "world war" with "Islamofascism" and that Giuliani is the only man who can win it. "I decided to join Giuliani's team because his view of the war—what I call World War IV—is very close to my own," Podhoretz tells NEWSWEEK. (World War III, in his view, was the cold war.) "And also because he has the qualities of a wartime leader, including a fighting spirit and a determination to win."

Giuliani clearly hopes this image, born of his heroic performance on 9/11, can carry him to the GOP nomination and to the White House. But is he really the candidate who will "keep Americans safer" if his primary tactic is to go "on offense" in the "long war," as he often puts it in his campaign stump speech? Critics will say that the neocons already tried that—in Iraq. Still, what's left of the neocon movement does seem to be converging around the Giuliani campaign, to some degree, because he embraces their common themes: a willingness to use military power, a tendency to group all radical Islamist groups together as a common enemy, strong support for Israel and an aggressive posture toward Iran. "He's positioning himself as the neo-neocon," jokes Richard Holbrooke, a top foreign-policy adviser to Hillary Clinton.

Among the core consultants surrounding Giuliani: Martin Kramer, who has led an attack on U.S. Middle Eastern scholars since 9/11 for being soft on terrorism; Stephen Rosen, a hawkish professor at Harvard who advocates major new spending on defense and is close to prominent neoconservative Bill Kristol; former Wisconsin senator Bob Kasten, who often sided with the neocons during the Reagan era and was an untiring supporter of aid to Israel, and Daniel Pipes, who has advocated for the racial profiling of Muslim Americans. (He's argued that the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II was not the moral offense it's been portrayed as, though he doesn't say Muslims should suffer the same.)

Some traditional conservatives are wary of the Giuliani team. "Clearly it is a rather one-sided group of people," says Dimitri Simes of the Nixon Center, a Washington think tank. "Their foreign-policy manifesto seems to be 'We're right, we're powerful, and just make my day.' He's out-Bushing Bush." Giuliani campaign spokeswoman Maria Comella says that while the candidate listens to these advisers because "he wants to have as much information as possible, at the end of the day he makes his own decisions." In some speeches and writings, Giuliani has clearly departed from the more extreme views of Podhoretz—who has said he "hopes and prays" that Bush bombs Iran—and others. His foreign-affairs team also consists of those who take a more centrist view, chief among them his policy coordinator, Yale scholar Charles Hill, who is more skeptical of policies like democracy promotion than most neocons. "I don't really know much about neoconservatives," Hill tells NEWSWEEK, adding that the team engages in "lively discussions." Asked recently in London about Iran, Giuliani said he hoped to avoid military action in the end, but he indicated that the threat of using it should be made plain. "I believe the United States and our allies should deliver a very clear message to Iran, very clear, very sober, very serious: they will not be allowed to become a nuclear power," he said. Podhoretz, by contrast, tells NEWSWEEK: "I believe that a bombing campaign is the only way to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear capability."

Regardless of any differences on Iran, Giuliani's neocons are in line with his pro-Israel stance. As mayor of New York—home to the largest Jewish community in the United States—Giuliani became renowned in the 1990s for his aggressive support of Israel and his mistrust of Palestinian leaders. In 1995, with the Oslo peace process underway, Giuliani kicked Yasir Arafat out of a concert for world leaders at Lincoln Center. Arafat "has never been held to answer for the murders he was implicated in," the mayor said.

[b]On a trip to Israel in 2001, Giuliani told an Israeli audience: "We're together with you. We are bound by blood."
Earlier this year, in an interview with Foreign Affairs magazine, Giuliani suggested that "too much emphasis" had been placed on promoting negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. He said "it is not in the interest of the United States, at a time when it is being threatened by Islamist terrorists, to assist in the creation of another state that will support terrorism." One of his advisers, Pipes, has advocated "razing [Palestinian] villages from which attacks are launched."[/b]

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Postby judasdisney » Sun Oct 07, 2007 6:09 pm

Many people on this discussion board, including myself, believe it's unavoidable that Giuliani was involved with (or at least had foreknowledge of) 9/11. His fascist record as Mayor is bad enough.

The entire field of U.S. Presidential candidates, both Republican and Democrat, are suspect.

Mitt Romney has Cofer Black, a.k.a. Adolf Eichmann. Cofer Black was the head of the CIA Counterterrorism Unit on 9/11 and has a long rap sheet at CooperativeResearch.org. As you can see by Cofer's bio, he is now Vice Chairman of Blackwater.

Hillary Clinton has Mark Penn, former advisor to Blackwater.

Tommy Thompson, who recently dropped from the race, was implanted with RFID because he was on the Board of Directors of Verichip. RFID is a major factor during the next U.S. presidency -- because in 2005, Bush signed into law the Real ID Act, requiring a National ID Card with RFID. Bush's Republican Congress in 2006 postponed enactment of this law until the next President -- in December 2009.

Like I've said, the next President will be a Patsy President. Think "Oswald."

Incidentally, the author of that Newsweek article, Michael Hirsh, is a dubious figure himself, having been a regular guest on Neocon talk radio host Laura Ingraham's show, as well as currently insisting that there is zero chance that the U.S. will attack Iran. I wouldn't be surprised if Hirsh is actually holding back details about Giuliani -- notice very little emphasis on Giuliani's ties to Bernie Kerik. Kerik, whose Wikipedia entry is fairly whitewashed, likely has ties to organized crime.
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