Mall Shooting in Omaha 1 Hr After Bush Lvs $raiser in Town

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Mall Shooting in Omaha 1 Hr After Bush Lvs $raiser in Town

Postby lunarose » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:29 pm

My brother lives in Nebraska and my mother always thinks the worst :wink: so i was checking up on this awful news when this sentence stood out:

Quote:
"President Bush was in Omaha on Wednesday for a fundraiser, but left about an hour before the shooting."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071205/ap_ ... l_shooting

This is in the vicinity of Offutt AFB, where Bush went to hide out on 9/11 (my bro saw Air Force one coming in to land that day when he was at work). I know some researchers think Bush was being sent a message that he could be targeted on 9/11, this sounds like it is being reinforced.........or am i just being conspiratorial?

p.s. this is my first topic post, hope its ok - feel free to send suggestions. thanks for reading!
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Postby Doodad » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:35 pm

Evidently a grenade was found in that mall last week as well.
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Postby chiggerbit » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:49 pm

Isn't Offutt AFB the source of alleged child abuse described in The Franklin Cover-Up by John DeCamp? I'm going to say that I have reservations about this conspiracy, partly to do with DeCamp's working relationship with Ted Gunderson, and partly to do with what seems like a free pass given by DeCamp to Boys' Town itself, and the Church's role. Not that there aren't plenty of suspicious circumstances to consider, but something seems a bit off in DeCamp's revelation, to me anyway.
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Postby 8bitagent » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:50 pm

chiggerbit wrote:Isn't Offutt AFB the source of alleged child abuse described in The Franklin Cover-Up by John DeCamp? I'm going to say that I have reservations about this conspiracy, partly to do with DeCamp's working relationship with Ted Gunderson, and partly to do with what seems like a free pass given by DeCamp to Boys' Town itself, and the Church's role. Not that there aren't plenty of suspicious circumstances to consider, but something seems a bit off in DeCamp's revelation, to me anyway.


Oh I definately feel the bulk of the Franklin coverup/elite child sex DC ring is substantiated.

Funny because Offut was the main one running the war games on 9/11 that day, Bush being told to land there after the "angel is next" thing.

I think if martial law is declared after another staged 9/11, youll see "Islamic extremists" shooting up malls, IED's, car bombs, etc. Maybe tied to "Hezbollah".
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Postby Gouda » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:29 am

Robert Hawkins had step parents - unclear what kind of foster arrangements had been made for him in his youth...

Hawkins said in the note he loved his friends and family, but "he was a piece of s--- all his life, and now he'll be famous," she told CNN.

She said Hawkins was a friend of her sons and "reminded me of a lost puppy that nobody wanted."

He came to live with her about a year and a half ago, telling her he could not stay with his own family because of "some issues with his stepmother and him."


Maruca Kovac said she was unaware Hawkins had any guns, although she said he knew a lot about them, as did his stepfather. "When he first came to live with us, he was in the fetal position and chewed his fingernails all the time," she said.
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Hawkins started working at a McDonald’s restaurant about five months ago after moving in with Maruca-Kovac's family in a middle-class neighborhood in Bellevue, Maruca-Kovac said.

Two employees of the McDonald’s who were eating there Wednesday said they had been told not to talk to anyone about Hawkins.
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Postby Gouda » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:37 am

Troubled teen wanted to die with notoriety
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2 ... d=10202350

Hawkins' parents divorced when he was 3. He had spent time in foster care.


Hawkins' father, Ronald, had been concerned about his son, said neighbor John Hubbard, a captain at the Douglas County Jail.

Ronald Hawkins asked Hubbard earlier this year if he would take the youth on a tour of the jail to help set him straight.
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Postby Gouda » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:46 am

Hawkins' stepfather and owner of the rifle, Mark Dotson, is retired Air Force
and was on vacation in Thailand during the shootings:

Hawkins' stepfather, owner of rifle, was in Thailand Wednesday

Mark Dotson has cut his trip short and is returning to Bellevue.


Hawkins was in and out of several homes and treatment centers,
and spent 4 years as a ward of Nebraska:

HHS says it did its best to treat Hawkins

LINCOLN — Nebraska spent more than $265,000 on services to help Robert Hawkins with psychiatric problems and addictions in his four years as a state ward.

Hawkins received care at several residential treatment centers, a group home and an agency-based foster home, children and family services director Todd Landry said Thursday.

"I believe all appropriate services were provided when needed and for as long as needed," he said. "Based on our review, this tragedy was not a failure of the system to provide appropriate quality services for a youth who needed it."


Hawkins was a foster child for about four years. Sarpy County Juvenile Court Judge Robert O'Neal handled the case.

Hawkins was in the custody of his father, Ronald, in La Vista, when he became a foster child in 2002. Hawkins' parents divorced when he was 3.

Hawkins had been hospitalized twice for psychiatric problems before being admitted May 18, 2002, to Piney Ridge Center in Waynesville, Mo., for "homicidal threats he made to his stepmother."

He had been diagnosed with an unspecified mood disorder — a term often used when problems have been identified, but a specific diagnosis such as bipolar disorder or depression hasn't been developed.

Hawkins' diagnosis also included attention deficit disorder and oppositional defiant disorder, which is a persistent pattern of defying authority.

Four months later, he was made a state ward because his health insurance would not pay for continued care. The center's staff said he should not be released.

He stayed at the Missouri facility until February 2003. He then moved to a Cooper Village residential treatment center and later a group home.

In 2003, while living at Cooper Village, Hawkins told police that his roommate grabbed his crotch and offered to perform oral sex on him. Another time, the roommate punched him, he said.

The roommate was arrested on suspicion of misdemeanor assault and sexual misconduct but was never charged.


Reminds me some of Triston Jay Amero.
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Postby elfismiles » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:25 pm

I put little import in the writings of Sorcha Faal but ...

US Secret Service ‘Omaha’ Gun Battle Leaves 9 Dead
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1053.htm

December 6, 2007

US Secret Service ‘Omaha’ Gun Battle Leaves 9 Dead
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

FSB reports circulating in the Kremlin this morning are detailing a shocking gun battle that took place in the United States between American Secret Service Agents and an ‘unknown’ number of what are believed to be 3 ‘highly trained, military type’ sniper units in a suburban mall in Omaha, Nebraska.

According to these reports, President Bush, and who was summoned by America’s Top Military Leaders to the US Strategic Command Headquarters, located at Offutt Air Force Base, was using as a ‘cover story’ for his unannounced visit to Omaha a fund raising campaign for his former agriculture secretary, Mike Johanns, who is now a US Senate candidate in Nebraska.

President Bush, as these reports further state, was, prior to his leaving Omaha, to provide to the US propaganda media outlets what is called a ‘photo-op’ showing him Christmas shopping at a mid priced to luxury goods store named Von Maur and which was located in the Westroads Mall.

As with FSB forces protecting President Putin, the American President is, likewise, protected by an elite security force called the Secret Service, and who, these reports continue, do prior security screening of all locations to be visited by those US government officials they are assigned to protect.

Upon the US Secret Service units entering into the Westroads Mall, and prior to the American President’s intended photo-op, FSB reports detail a ‘chaotic’ series of radio transmissions that, seemingly, detail a ‘furious’ gun battle between what can only be described as US Forces firing on US Forces, and which, according to Western media information, has left 9 people dead.

US propaganda media sources, however, are reporting this event as a random shooting by a ‘lone gunman’, though their complete story is still not complete and, as always, is subject to change.

Most curious, though, of the Western media reporting on this event is the saturation coverage describing in detail that this supposed ‘lone gunman’, and prior to shooting his victims, first targeted a child’s toy called a Teddy Bear, and as we can read:

"Witnesses said the gunman fired down on shoppers from a third-floor balcony of the Von Maur store. One witness told a TV station that he shot up a teddy bear as he sprayed fire on shoppers."

This is important to note due to the, seemingly, odd coincidence that the word ‘Teddy Bear’ was an early Cold War term used by the United States Strategic Air Command B-52 pilots to designate the United States being on their highest alert status, DEFCON 1, and which meant:

"This refers to maximum readiness. It is not certain whether this has ever been used, but it is reserved for imminent or ongoing attack on US military forces or US territory by a foreign military power."

As we had previously detailed in our December 4th report, "Israel In Peril As Renegade US Military Leaders Sign Treaty With Iran", it is indeed probable that the United States has, indeed, been reduced to a childlike state needing the comforting assurance that ‘all will be right’ as long as their Teddy Bear is safely bundled beside them as they sleep.
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Postby sunny » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:39 pm

elfismiles, I don't put much stock in Sorcha either, but this report is interesting for one reason-during MSNBC's reporting of the event, Norah O'Donnell? said, obviously rather off the cuff, something like this: "It is my understanding that the military is involved..." and then she cut off the rest of her thought as though she had been interrupted and said something like: "sorry, that was wrong"...
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Postby 8bitagent » Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:48 pm

sunny wrote:elfismiles, I don't put much stock in Sorcha either, but this report is interesting for one reason-during MSNBC's reporting of the event, Norah O'Donnell? said, obviously rather off the cuff, something like this: "It is my understanding that the military is involved..." and then she cut off the rest of her thought as though she had been interrupted and said something like: "sorry, that was wrong"...


whoah, really? Man I hope that youtube surfaces. Weird.

The fact Bush was just leaving Omaha a few miles away and Cheney was buying ammo in Arkansas is rather interesting as Jeff pointed out in his blog.
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Postby philipacentaur » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:09 pm

Code: Select all
OMAHA
O?A?A
OBAMA

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Postby slimmouse » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:20 pm

OK, so out of quirky curiousity, I type in omaha mall shooting, to try and find out a little more. A story follows, with a comments section underneath, the first of which is this ;

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico — Authorities in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez said Wednesday that they plan to exhume the remains of more than 4,000 unidentified people buried in common graves and take DNA samples in an attempt to identify them.

Rene Medrano, a spokesman for the Chihuahua state attorney general''''s office, said the bodies were being exhumed because state attorney general Patricia Gonzalez "wants to bring order and clarity to past police practices." *


http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/ameri ... index.html

On edit, I have no wish to hijack this thread, it prolly deserves one of its own. Anyone interested in starting one, be my guest :)
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Postby Doodad » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:28 pm

philipacentaur wrote:
Code: Select all
OMAHA
O?A?A
OBAMA

?????


Oh
My
Another
Horrible..........Hideous
American........Act
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Postby sunny » Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:59 pm

8bitagent wrote:
sunny wrote:elfismiles, I don't put much stock in Sorcha either, but this report is interesting for one reason-during MSNBC's reporting of the event, Norah O'Donnell? said, obviously rather off the cuff, something like this: "It is my understanding that the military is involved..." and then she cut off the rest of her thought as though she had been interrupted and said something like: "sorry, that was wrong"...


whoah, really? Man I hope that youtube surfaces. Weird.

The fact Bush was just leaving Omaha a few miles away and Cheney was buying ammo in Arkansas is rather interesting as Jeff pointed out in his blog.


Yes indeed, I'm quite sure of it, except I don't really know which of the numerous runway models the network employs as news readers gave the report. I thought at the time she meant the military was probably violating Posse Comitatus by injecting itself into operations to bring down the shooter, but now I'm not so sure....
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re: Sorcha's report

Postby lunarose » Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:34 pm

"highly trained, military type’ sniper units"

Here's the creepy thing. A lot of guys from Offut train and participate in clubs and competitions for high power long range rifle target shooting. Here's one:

http://www.nrahq.org/compete/champ3.asp

(an NRA link! hope i don't get in trouble!) The competitors shoot from about a quarter mile at targets roughly the size of a human being, a torso, and a head. Obviously, sniper stuff. These competitions and clubs began in the fifties, with the idea that if/when we were invaded by the Soviet Union we would have a number of trained snipers in the populace who could pick 'em off. There are participants from all over the US, but it did give me a weird feeling to read that quote as i know there are those type of groups active in the area (and crack shots, too!)
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