9/11 Foreshadowed by X-Files' "Lone Gunmen"?

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9/11 Foreshadowed by X-Files' "Lone Gunmen"?

Postby Eldritch » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:07 am

I thought this was rather interesting. (My apologies if this has been discussed here before. Although I did a quick search, I didn't find earlier discussions of this—but it is quite possible that I may have missed it.)

On March 4, 2001, The X-Files' spinoff, The Lone Gunmen, premiered on FOX.

The pilot episode for that series featured a plot to hijack "a fully loaded" airliner, and crash it "into the middle of New York City," as this YouTube video clip demonstrates:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIZ205ccX8M

Six months and one week later, of course, not one but two jetliners crashed into the very heart of New York City.

The reasoning given for this in the clip was also prescient, I thought.
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Postby FourthBase » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:14 am

We've had long discussions about this.

For example, I think it indicates something of a relationship between the X-Files writers and the perps. While many others think it was just a coincidence.

I wonder why past discussions didn't come up on a search...?
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Postby Eldritch » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:40 am

Hey, thanks FourthBase. I must have missed those posts.

FourthBase wrote:I wonder why past discussions didn't come up on a search...?


Because I probably didn't do a very good job searching... (With last week's flooding here in the Pacific Northwest—which we're still recovering from, by the way—my online time has been rushed, at best.)

I just happened on a website that featured that video, and I hadn't seen it before myself, so I thought I'd ask you guys. If the video is a coincidence, it'd be a pretty good one, wouldn't it? "Failure of imagination" and all that... :roll:
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Postby Jeff » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:55 am

My take, from a blog post that touched on this and other 9/11 synchronicities:

In The Sense of Being Stared At, Sheldrake devotes a chapter to human forebodings and presentiments of disaster. Soon after 9/11, he began gathering dreams and premonitions of the event, 57 in total, many which had been described to friends and family before the attack.

Five nights before 9/11, Manhattan forensic scientist Mike Cherni had "an unusually vivid dream":

"I dreamt that I was a passenger on a commercial jet, seated at a window seat on the left-hand side. The cabin was filled with sunlight, and outside visibility was excellent. I don't remember the beginning of the dream, but I remember a pervasive sense of dread. The passengers and I were deeply concerned about the flight path we were taking; we were flying very low over Manhattan's buildings. I have flown into New York City's three major airports many times and am familiar with the normal approach routes, and this approach was quite out of the ordinary. I also love flying and had had no bad experiences as a passenger or any bad dreams about flying. Yet in this dream I was very frightened about how close we were to the buildings. Many of the passengers were very vocal and shared my concern. I recognized buildings as we flew over them, and it was clear that we were flying directly south over the southern tip of the island. Then there was a tremendous impact and I woke up. This dream disturbed me for days afterward, enough that I described the dream to my wife."

On the morning of Sept 11, Steven Brown dreamed he was "in the stairwell of the World Trade Center with a lot of people trying to get out," while Gina Vigo dreamt "Manhattan was hit by an incredible blizzard. People were running for cover from the fierce gusts of snow and everything was white. Later on, when I saw footage of the falling ash, it was strangely reminiscent." Audry Parrish dreamed she was in one of the towers when it caught on fire. She escaped by crawling across a glass bridge halfway up into the second tower, "when it too caught fire and burned."

This isn't the boneyard of Ripley's Believe It or Not. The stories aren't fabulist amusements which have no bearing on where we find ourselves today. They speak to our deeper nature buried beneath generations of fear-bred ignorance, and reveal intuitive capacities we're expected to deny.

Regarding 9/11 synchronicities such as The Lone Gunmen's March, 2001 pilot episode (hijacked, remote-controlled airliners target the World Trade Center to trigger a war for profit), and the Coup's June 2001 cover art, (the towers explode near the floors of impact), I contended the artists were not somehow tipped off to the plot, but rather they tapped into the dark frequencies which soon after began troubling the dreams of so many. I'm beginning to wonder whether it will be by recovering our ability to astonish ourselves that we will save ourselves....


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Postby FourthBase » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:41 am

And as I pointed out, Carter et. al. didn't necessarily rely on dark frequencies since they had a history of using government agents as story consultants per Haglund. The Coup album was a different situation -- I insisted on the firm possibility that they'd been tipped off, but there was zero pointing to that possibility in the record.
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Postby Jeff » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:52 am

And the vivid dreams?
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Postby FourthBase » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:54 am

Jeff wrote:And the vivid dreams?


Frequencies, synchronicity, collective ESP, etc.

Just trying to clarify the reason why I think the Lone Gunmen Pilot is different.
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:08 am

Jeff wrote: I contended the artists were not somehow tipped off to the plot, but rather they tapped into the dark frequencies which soon after began troubling the dreams of so many.


Absolutely.

I think all these dreams and such were merely criss crossing with the frequencies of this dark reality manifesting itself in the ether, tapping into
it unintentionally...perhaps, much like those who claimed to see the Mothman near Shanksville weeks prior to 9/11.

Perhaps, as indication 9/11 has been in the works for longer than most want to assume, we've seen 9/11 like reminders and themes on tv(BBC Trigger Effect, 1983 film Wrong Made Right, etc) for a very long time.

Even the emergency number "911" I now wonder about...
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Postby KeenInsight » Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:31 pm

Within the context of the "Lone Gunmen" episode, very rarely (or should I say, at all?) do any 9/11 conspiracy videos talk about the planes being taken over by remote control. Certainly more plausible than holographic planes :roll:. I mean seriously, the episode is almost too telling.

Regardless, even if I would like to "believe" that is how it went down, it is only an assumption and no one will likely ever know, because apparently we already have the "facts": Muslims took over flights and piloted the planes themselves...
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Postby orz » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:01 pm

Within the context of the "Lone Gunmen" episode, very rarely (or should I say, at all?) do any 9/11 conspiracy videos talk about the planes being taken over by remote control. Certainly more plausible than holographic planes

Dunno about videos, but it is one theory. Fairly popular as on paper it sounds feasible (planes can be made to fly remotely of course, and it's easier to believe conspirators would do it this way than rely on persuading someone to execute a suicide mission).... I believed it myself for a while but I read a VERY thorough debunking of it by someone involved in the aviation industry (pilot, or engineer, i forget) This made me rethink how feasible it would be to secretly install the required hardware without the crew, mechanics, passangers etc not noticing the heavy modifications required. I just don't see it being a possibility any more without a fantastical number of people having to be 'in on it', or getting into the equally problematic world of plane-swapping theories etc.

There is some talk out there that the planes would have had remote control built in, as in the lone gunmen pilot, but this turns out to be simply not the case. I think this idea is mostly just a misunderstanding of the technical terms involved, the way autopilots actually work, specifics of what plane it was, etc.

My favorite theory at the moment is mind control. It's ostensibly wackier than remote control, but it does exist and would do the job. Humans have been persuaded/programmed/brainwashed/indoctrinated to do worse in the past. :)

Actually, come to think of it the official theory is mind controlled killers!!! Of course, they'd call it religious brainwashing/fanaticism. :)
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Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:02 pm

Jeff wrote:And the vivid dreams?


Not to mention the fact that the Towers are an obvious Archetype to all sides. Consider their role as a target. If they're significant enough to be considered such to an adversary(insert _____ here), it's not inconceivable for many others to interpret them the same way, even if that was done in a nebulous fashion. Agencies who's diets consist of intelligence relating to the Towers efficacy as a target of course have a higher resolution image to fear, but I wonder how many normal people in their day to day lives had a barely noticed, fleeting thought that those towers symbolize *something* significant that would be brought low if they were destroyed..

And of course, Cthulhu taps the Artist's mind through dreams when he hungers. Artists are sensitive to Archetypes; they're the ones who play the most significant role in weaving an Archetype into the Social Fabric. Why then wouldn't they be just as sensitive to an Archetype's pending mortality?
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:29 pm

orz wrote:
Within the context of the "Lone Gunmen" episode, very rarely (or should I say, at all?) do any 9/11 conspiracy videos talk about the planes being taken over by remote control. Certainly more plausible than holographic planes

Dunno about videos, but it is one theory. Fairly popular as on paper it sounds feasible (planes can be made to fly remotely of course, and it's easier to believe conspirators would do it this way than rely on persuading someone to execute a suicide mission).... I believed it myself for a while but I read a VERY thorough debunking of it by someone involved in the aviation industry (pilot, or engineer, i forget) This made me rethink how feasible it would be to secretly install the required hardware without the crew, mechanics, passangers etc not noticing the heavy modifications required. I just don't see it being a possibility any more without a fantastical number of people having to be 'in on it', or getting into the equally problematic world of plane-swapping theories etc.

There is some talk out there that the planes would have had remote control built in, as in the lone gunmen pilot, but this turns out to be simply not the case. I think this idea is mostly just a misunderstanding of the technical terms involved, the way autopilots actually work, specifics of what plane it was, etc.

My favorite theory at the moment is mind control. It's ostensibly wackier than remote control, but it does exist and would do the job. Humans have been persuaded/programmed/brainwashed/indoctrinated to do worse in the past. :)

Actually, come to think of it the official theory is mind controlled killers!!! Of course, they'd call it religious brainwashing/fanaticism. :)


Anyone whose studied the RFK case, or the Spanish al Qaeda cells no, that high level mind control brainwashing by handlers is very real.

All you'd really need is some young Saudi mind control adepts out of MI6/CIA controlled Wahhabist mosques, and voila.

Have the handlers tell them to have a gps tracker on board, punch in some coordinates...hell have a beacon in the WTC...and again, voila

No need to "remote hijack" the planes
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Postby Sweet Tooth » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:59 pm

So... did anybody HERE have any premonitions or dark forebodings about 9-11?

I did, sort of. And I wrote about it. In my blog.

I wrote the following on Sept 8, and published it just after midnight, Sept 11, before I knew what was going on in New York and Washington DC:

"Allow yer old pal Jerky to set the scene.

It is evening on Wednesday, the fifth of September, in the year 2001; a year that’s fallen so far short of the promise imagined for it, decades will likely have to pass before historians can accurately chart the gulf between the century of optimistic prophecy, and its eventual, spectacular letdown.

Washington, DC. In a White House reception hall, the unelected Boy King sips 7-Up and chomps on bison steak while his inexplicably disturbing wife - wrapped in an orange/pink atrocity that wouldn’t seem out of place in Timothy Leary's nightmares - pops a candy hummingbird into her mouth and smiles that vacant, vaguely pharmaceutical smile that has become her trademark.

At the windows and balconies, the Boy King’s guests gather for an extra special treat. Mexico’s President Fox and his slinky new squeeze stand close together and sway, almost imperceptibly. World's Greatest DadTM Brit Hume - the only ‘journalist’ invited to this gala event - thinks of the previous tenants and scowls sourly into his tumbler of single malt scotch, scrying scandals yet undreamt in its amber depths. Dirty Harry, himself, walks among them, looking paradoxically geriatric and buck-virile as he mingles with the lesser lights, who can hardly contain themselves. Trent Lott adjusts his toupee. Alan Greenspan keeps compulsively checking himself for a pulse. What a stellar congregation!

Outside and overhead, the show begins. As the chosen hundred watch, there is a flash, and another - delayed thunder cracks the cool night sky. It is a spectacular pyrotechnic display - a quarter million dollars worth of fireworks! - helping the unelected Boy King and his guests celebrate his first state dinner in true post-fin-de-sciecle style.

"OOOH! AAAH!"

Meanwhile, for miles around, the uninvited wonder what the hell is going on. Where is that noise coming from? And why the hell are the windows rattling? 911 is immediately jammed with calls reporting gunshots, unexplained explosions, terrorist attacks, UFOs, a fire at the White House, etc. Children, asleep for hours on this school-night, stand on their beds and peer out their windows at the symphony of fire. They wonder why nobody bothered to tell them about this. Some wonder what kind of people set off fireworks at eleven o’clock at night, in the middle of the week, without warning anybody.

Back at the White House, the kind of people who would set off fireworks at eleven o’clock at night in the middle of the week without warning anybody lick icing from their fingertips, have their drinks freshened by the help, and chuckle at each other's lame jokes while casually watching the sky. They barely pay attention, even though all this heat, light and noise has been expended for their eyes only; this temporary monument to the irrelevence of nobodies.

And why shouldn't they revel in their role as Masters of the Universe? At a time when we have so much cause to take to the streets and oil the guillotines, what do we do? We sit on our asses and stuff our fat faces and starving brains with brand-name nothingness unencumbered by nutritional, intellectual or social value of any kind. For too many reasons to list here, they've won already. The game is over. We are citizens, no longer. Now, we are subjects, and they don't mind rubbing our noses in it.

Somewhere in the swirling and beautiful eleventh dimension, where the ideal is flesh and the flesh, ideal, America clutches at a short, sharp pain in her chest, and wonders: “What the fuck was THAT?!"
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Postby Sweet Tooth » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:06 pm

Also, I started having really severe panic attacks in August of 2001.
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Postby sunny » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:25 pm

Hi Sweet Tooth, how did I miss that you were our old pal Jerky le Boueff?(sp?)

So... did anybody HERE have any premonitions or dark forebodings about 9-11?


I didn't, but my daughter, who was 15 at the time had many instances of precognitive dreams, told me sometime in late August that year of a dream she had.

She dreamt that New York was devastated by a massive flood. When the waters receded, the Statue of Liberty lay in ruins in the middle of a wide boulevard. Mangled bodies were everywhere. "Sirens and fires" were raging. That was all she could recall.

I passed it off. I thought maybe she had seen a scene from Planet of the Apes. I did find it peculiar she would dream about New York, a city she had never visited, but again I passed it off to ubiquitous media images of the famous skyline.

Absurdly, we both forgot about the dream in the wake of the disaster and didn't remember it until a couple of years ago.
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