Interwebs Triggers Teen Suicide Trend

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Interwebs Triggers Teen Suicide Trend

Postby compared2what? » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:09 pm

I have no idea what is really going on here. Suicide is not easy, and these deaths are not way out of line with overall statistical success rates for suicide-by-hanging.

(Rreader's comments at the end included as a small example of some pretty close to sociopathic absence of empathy.)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 234692.ece

Natasha Randall was 17, had a large circle of friends and was studying childcare when, without any indication that she was unhappy, she hanged herself in her bedroom.

Her death last Thursday was the latest in at least seven apparent copycat suicides in Bridgend, South Wales, that have alarmed parents, health authorities and police, who believe that they may be prompted by messages on social networking websites such as Bebo.

Within days two 15-year-old girls, both of whom had known Tasha, as she called herself, had also tried to take their lives. One cut her wrists and was later discharged from hospital into the care of her parents. The other tried to hang herself and spent two days on life support before showing signs of recovery. Police have since visited the families of 20 of Tasha’s friends, urging them to keep an eye on their daughters.

n the 12 months before Tasha’s death, six young men from Bridgend and the surrounding area had killed themselves. Most were known to each other. This month Tasha attended the funeral of 20-year-old Liam Clarke, who was found hanged in a local park the day after Boxing Day.

Tasha had left a tribute to Liam on his Bebo webpage. It said: “R.I.P. Clarky boy!! gonna miss ya! always remember the gd times! love ya x.”

After Tasha’s death police took her computer to try to find a reason for her suicide. They will also be looking for links to the other deaths.

Copycat suicides are a well-known phenomenon but in Bridgend the tributes left on websites such as Bebo appear to have had a significant impact. Friends have set up memorial pages where wellwishers have posted messages or bought virtual “tablets” in a remembrance wall. The 19 tablets on Tasha’s memorial page include the messages “RIP chick”, “Sleep Tight Princess” and “Sweet dreams, Angel”.

David Gunnell, Professor of Epidemiology at the University of Bristol, said that research had shown a connection between reports of suicide in the media and copycat deaths, and it was likely that discussions of suicide on websites would have a similar effect.

He said: “Young people are more likely to see and read items concerning suicide on the internet than they are in newspapers. One can extrapo-late from wider research on responses to newspaper reporting that a medium like Bebo will have an impact on suicidal behaviour in young people.”

South Wales Police fear that the reason could be simpler. One officer said: “They may think it’s cool to have a memorial website. It may even be a way of achieving prestige among their peer group.”

South Wales already had one of the worst suicide rates for young people. Tasha, who called herself “Wildchild”, was not the only one to spend hours each day on the internet in a world about which their parents knew little.

Even before she died a task force that includes represntatives of the NHS trust, school, police and local authority was investigating the high suicide rate. It is due to report in the next few weeks. Tegwyn Williams, the director of mental health services for Bro Morgannwg NHS Trust, said: “The key is to break down the stigma attached to suicide in the community so that people aren’t afraid to talk to someone if they feel depressed.”

Melanie Davies’s son, Thomas, was the third young person from the area to kill himself last year. Mrs Davies, 38, said: “One of his friends told me that they feel these kids seem to be copying each other . . . so many of them are hanging themselves.”

The friends who killed themselves

Dale Crole, 18, hanged himself at the Coney Beach funfair at Porthcawl, near Bridgend, January 2007
David Dilling, 19, a former classmate of Dale from Pyle, near Bridgend, hanged himself, February 2007
Thomas Davies, 20, who had been at school with both Dale and David, found hanged from a tree in David’s home village two days before his funeral, February 2007
Zachery Barnes, 17, of Wildmill, Bridgend, a friend of Thomas’s family, hanged with washing line, August 2007
Liam Clarke, 20, a friend of Dale, found hanged in a park in Bridgend, December 2007
Gareth Morgan, 27, who knew Liam, found hanged in his bedroom, January 2008
Natasha Randall, 17, of Blaengarw, Bridgend, a close friend of Liam, hanged herself in her bedroom, January 2008

* Have your say

I would like to thank your imaginary bearded man in the sky that you religious hypocrites never leave the American Bible Belt.
How many lives have been cut short in the name of religion, from the Crusades to the suicide bombers. When will this madness end?
Personally I do not need a false belief system to appreciate that life is short and precious!!
Please consider the poor parents of these young people that have to read your drivel.

Hansel, spain,

Just why are there so many US contributors to this article?

Howard, Manchester,

To be fair if i lived in Bridgend I probably top myself too.

Rob, Lima, Peru
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Postby theeKultleeder » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:27 pm

When I was going through a rough period in my teens, there was a 'friend' who said, "go ahead, kill yourself..."

I guess my point is that the internet facilitates communication, it doesn't create it. Same with behavior.
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Postby IanEye » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:56 pm

i remember many "clusters" of teen suicides growing up in the 80s, including a really nasty one in Leominster, MA that seemed to go on for months

later, at UMass I had a girlfriend from Leominster and she told me how awful it was - how it felt like being in "The Crucible" or something - people got very paranoid and superstitious about their peers dropping off like flies

i googled: (Leominster cluster "teen suicide") and found some references to those days:

The most difficult section to read is the teen suicide clusters, which started nationally in Dallas suburb Plano TX, where 9 kids killed themselves in 1983, mostly from car exhaust. By 1984, death was everywhere. 6 kids shot themselves in Houston suburb Clear Lake, in Westchester NY 15 kids died mostly by hanging (Officer and a Gentleman was the model), in Leominster MA, 5 kids died from car crashes and guns (7 more would die in 1985-86). “Teenagers have this fantasy that they could fly over the funeral and see who was crying and how much they were missed,” explains Coleman in an extended interview. “When the media comes in and does a graphic depiction of it- it doesn’t work to scare kids away. The method is repeated- exactly the same kind of person dies the same kind of way.” The things schools did to cope could make it worse: large assemblies or big funerals were discouraged: “In that way a kid with no importance becomes important through death,” says a suicide assoc. president, “kids copy that”. Coleman expands: “You have to have a division between appropriate grief and glorification… and therefore reinforce the suicide.”

link:http://hammernews.com/copycateffect.htm

it isn't explained very well in the quote above, but the kids used cars and guns to kill themselves, not other kids

also, this pdf of a dissertation that I am sure Hugh would find interesting:

THE HOLLYWOOD YOUTH NARRATIVE AND THE FAMILY VALUES CAMPAIGN,
1980-1992
by
Clare Connors

http://etd.library.pitt.edu/ETD/available/etd-08082005-110134/unrestricted/C_Connors_2005.pdf

oh, i guess my point in bringing all of this up is that it existed before the internet
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Postby nomo » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:59 pm

Nothing new here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sorrow ... ral_Impact
The Sorrows of Young Werther was Goethe's first major success, turning him from an unknown into a celebrated author practically overnight. Napoleon Bonaparte considered it one of the great works of European literature, thinking so highly of it that as a youth, he wrote a soliloquy in Goethe's style, and that as an adult carried Werther with him on most of his campaigns. It also started the phenomenon known as the "Werther-Fieber" ("Werther Fever"): Young men throughout Europe began to dress in the clothing described for Werther in the novel. It also led to some of the first known examples of copycat suicide; supposedly more than 2,000 readers committed suicide.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_suicide
A copycat suicide is defined as a duplication or copycat of another suicide that the person attempting suicide knows about either from local knowledge or due to accounts or depictions of the original suicide on television and in other media. Sometimes this is known as a Werther effect, following the Werther novel of Goethe.
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Postby compared2what? » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:16 pm

I didn't really mean the internet caused it. That was a comment on the need of the media to make everything a trend story.

With suicide clusters -- yeah, absolutely. Mental disorders aren't really contagious, but stuff with a high behavioral component comes in spurts, to paraphrase Richard Hell, especially for teens. Bulimia or drinking, for example, although probably not anorexia, if only because that takes hard work, and is not as behavioral as it looks, etiologically speaking (imo, but not in a way I'd fight very hard to defend, the present system of psychiatric diagnosis being really kinda so inadequate overall and in so many ways, that is makes arguing any case dependent on it more effort than it's worth.)

TKL, I travel back in time for you, appear on the spot of the exchange you mention, knock your friend out of the picture with a roundhouse kick a la Elizabeth Berkely at the end of "Showgirls" and say: "Ignore him. I'm so sorry you're in that much inner pain. You deserve happiness and comfort. Let's take a walk and discuss it."

It was mostly that so many hangings were successful that struck me as odd. It's not an easy or pleasant way to die, or a quick one, usually. Or a method that it would be easy to give or get easily followable instructions for online. But it's certainly not the hugest mystery of our times, either.

I wasn't really thinking about it that hard, but I was motivated more by disgust with the press for failing to address a sad story realistically or helpfully than by the unexplained elements of the story itself. They're probably beyond explanation in any way that counts. Which doesn't mean the newspaper is excused for throwing a light veil over its own prurient interest and walking away from the corpses, dusting its hands in satisfaction with a job well done. They owe readers more responsibility than that. Not that I expect to see them deliver it. But if I don't register the objection now, it'll be harder to win the case on appeal.
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Postby theeKultleeder » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:21 pm

compared2what? wrote:
TKL, I travel back in time for you, appear on the spot of the exchange you mention, knock your friend out of the picture with a roundhouse kick a la Elizabeth Berkely at the end of "Showgirls" and say: "Ignore him. I'm so sorry you're in that much inner pain. You deserve happiness and comfort. Let's take a walk and discuss it."



I know - I mean, it already happened. And it helped.

I'm glad to have known you in time.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:35 pm

“Teenagers have this fantasy that they could fly over the funeral and see who was crying and how much they were missed,”


I never felt suicidal as a teenager, tho once I had a suicidal urge come over me at a trainstation, I has almost stepping in front of a train before I snapped out of it and thought "WTF?" To be honest I felt like I was possessed by something.

But I remember being a teenager and doing some mad, dangerous death defying stuff. All sorts of different things, from driving along windy roads with the lights off to ... stuff I won't go into.

Seems when you are that age you don't really know what death is and what it means.

I wonder if some old syle initiation processes like every indig culture once had, something to move you into adulthood, (a vital component of this being you undergo a ritual death go to the land of the dead and meet your ancestors) would stop or limit this epidemic of teen suicide in the western world.

Some part of me thinks that as aspect of this is a lack of understanding what death is, or being brought to terms with it.
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Postby Seamus OBlimey » Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:24 pm

I've always seen suicide as an easy way out and as long as it's available life is bearable.

compared2what? wrote:Or a method that it would be easy to give or get easily followable instructions for online. But it's certainly not the hugest mystery of our times, either.


http://www.realknots.com/knots/noose.htm
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Postby compared2what? » Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:58 am

...I don't know what to say. I've seen too many suicides to think of it that way. And I hope you are not serious, your own self. Please don't be.
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Postby Seamus OBlimey » Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:58 pm

Of course I'm serious, aren't I always? I should elaborate though as that does sound a bit stark. I grew up with stuff like Snuff Rock and Die young Stay Pretty and friends who'd slash their arms with broken bottles to show off.. "Grr.. spit.. gonna kill myself.." and I've personally known at least five who did though they were never the ones who'd pretended to. So suicide has become a romantic notion to some extent and though I never seriously considered it myself when I get really low, which is really rare, I'll ask myself "Is it so bad that it's worth ending it all?" Fortunately it's never been that bad yet and just being able to ask and answer that question soon has me bouncing back. So it's a safety net of sorts, and I hope this doesn't sound too sick or morbid, but I do find it comforting that we can, if we wish, choose the time and method of our own demise (a luxury too many don't have).

Oh, and I only looked up the noose to make a headband from a bootlace.

I hope that clarifies a little.
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Postby theeKultleeder » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:19 pm

Sounds perfectly natural, Seamus. Kind of like a person who acknowledges the death wish and dark night of the soul that suicide springs from without repressing it.

I knew what you meant, and your original statement is quite beautiful in its way.
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Postby Seamus OBlimey » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:23 pm

Well, I knew you'd get it. :)
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Postby compared2what? » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:19 pm

Thanks for easing my worries, you S O'B, you!

All described in your clarification is healthy in my book, as well.

I err on the side of caution in following up on what might be an opaquely phrased cry for help. And plan on continuing to do so. It's a drag for the suicidal, I know. From experience on the receiving end, in fact. But that's my policy* and I'm sticking to it.

*As written in the official record: "I get to kill myself if I want to, but no one else does."

And, yes, I do see the logical problem there. I loathe emoticons, but: :)
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Postby Seamus OBlimey » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:58 pm

compared2what? wrote:you S O'B, you!

Aargh! You got me sussed.

compared2what? wrote:I loathe emoticons, but: :)


I like my wit dry too.
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