Questioning Consciousness

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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby thrulookingglass » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:44 pm

Just because I don't visually and literally have chains around my neck, doesn't mean I'm free, and it certainly doesn't mean others are either. Chains and scars of whiplasshes are not the only thing that makes you a slave. Would you feel happier if I donned some!? We're all house niggers now. Your as free as the rope they sell you. WAKE UP! ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS! LOUDER THAN BOMBS! Shoplifters of the world, unite and take over! It's all stealing! I want a robin's wage, free food, free housing. Do me a favor, pick up a price gun and put a price on every last fucking thing you see, because that's what we're doing...and save the last couple of stickers for your forehead and your child's forehead. What price do you put on your life? How many pounds, dollars, euros is it worth? Mine is priceless.

Sorry about the complete diatribe and highjacking this thread. There's a song from Son Volt that has this line in it and I took it to heart..."just don't leave here without...speaking your mind..."

That's what the Christians do...sell you peace and love in the next life...strife in this one.
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:51 pm

you are saying that you are a slave ...an actual human being who has chains around his neck would disagree

stop comparing your life to someone who is in real bondage...how dare you?

It seems you are using it as an excuse
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby thrulookingglass » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:15 pm

One last bullshit remark, because I can't stand being hammered down as the voice of un-reason right now.

Tell me that last time those slaves of Egypt, Syria, Ur, Iraq, Iran, Africa or ANYWHERE had the ability to wipe out all life on the planet in about 8 minutes?! What an achievement. In the news there talk of what it would take to stop Trump from pushing that button of finality! Be sure to buy your children some sun block spf infinity!
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:16 pm

why are you changing the subject....YOU called yourself a slave...quit comparing yourself to a slave

you are changing the argument...you are putting words in my mouth..all I have said is that YOU have NO right to call yourself a slave..you are NOT suffering the life of a slave


slave
slāv/Submit
nounhistorical
1.
a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.


who is forcing you to obey him?

who are you a legal property of?

your exaggeration of labeling yourself a slave is deplorable

don't talk trump with me....I have a record here and in real life about him
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby DrEvil » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:25 pm

thrulookingglass » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:19 pm wrote:Money is not wealth. I am purchased at a wage of $14.50/hr as so many are these days. Divest yourself from money, it is the poorest of resources. There's still slaves today, does that make it right? My computer is my voice, not my emancipation and it came from a heartless company of wage slaves at the local Chinese misery factory run by egalitarian CEO's and investors (i.e. gamblers) with not enough decency in their hearts to provide for a living wage, healthcare and modicum of freedom. It burns me to use it. Your right though, until we ALL say no to these things, we are prisoners to are own apathy. And yes, I listen to slave songs day and night, looked at images of their whipped backs, this morning I listened to "If I had Sneezed...", speech by Martin Luther King Jr. who fought for the rights of union garbage men before he was heartlessly gunned down in a Federal conspiracy. Things may be better for you, oh Adonis, until we stop the misery of those left under our heals, we are soaked in their tears. You need a clearer looking glass. If you don't see a part of the problem in the mirror, your fooling yourself. Do me a favor, google the message some poor lady scribbled quickly in a small chinese note, left in a handbag destined to a wal-mart near you. SHAME ON US ALL!


Money is a necessary evil. We can't produce everything we need ourselves, so trading with others is required, and going around with actual goods to trade with is a pain in the ass, so we use money as an intermediary.
And you're not a slave. You are not purchased, you voluntarily sell yourself. You're free to quit your job anytime you like and go live off the land or try to get another job. You can (within reason) say whatever you like and do whatever you like.

I would love to live in a Culture-like utopia where everything is provided for free, but Earth has too many assholes for that to happen anytime soon.

Actual slaves, of which there are several million right now, don't have any choice in the matter ("fun" fact: the last country to criminalize slavery was Mauritania in 2007. Around 4% of the population are still slaves).

Most of us here on this board literally have it better than the vast majority of humans ever. We're most likely not going to starve because our crops failed, or die from some preventable disease, or get bombed to shit with precision munitions. We have roofs over our heads, food on the table and the time to sit here and argue over all kinds of crap.

Of course life sucks for a whole lot of people still, but it is slowly improving. China alone has lifted several hundred million people out of poverty over the last few decades (I know there are some issues with the numbers, but overall quality of life has improved for the majority of Chinese), and India is slowly (with some serious issues, like stunting) getting there.
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby chump » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:40 am

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via Cryptogon:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/trav ... se-island/
Meet the Man Who Has Lived Alone on This Island for 28 Years
Mauro Morandi's failing catamaran was carried to Budelli Island nearly three decades ago by chance. He never left.

Mauro Morandi has lived alone on Budelli Island for 28 years. “What I love the most is the silence,” he says. “The silence in winter when there isn’t a storm and no one is around, but also the summer silence of sunset.”
...

“I’m sort of in prison here,” he says. “But it’s a prison that I chose for myself.”


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https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017 ... -soldiers/
Why the Army of Reality always needs more soldiers
Nov 22
by Jon Rappoport

What we call Reality is a hall of mirrors. It reflects itself back and forth and builds up a consensus.

People do the same thing. They confirm with one another that the reality they believe is real is, in fact, real.

And having established that, they live out their lives and make the best of it.

But what happens if you defect? What happens if you’re not satisfied to live out the rest of your life inside the space of what everyone assumes is real?

More to the point, what happens if you’re not satisfied to live out the rest of your life inside the space of what YOU assume is real?

This is where a lot of people get off the train. They assert, with great assurance, that what they have discovered is the ultimate frontier. They’ve broken through the illusion. They’ve found out who is running the show from behind the curtain.

And with those discoveries in their pocket, they will live out their lives, confident in the knowledge that they can’t be fooled. They’ve won the prize.

Actually, peering behind the curtain and seeing what’s there is step one. The journey has barely begun.

No matter what degree of truth one has found, living out the rest of a life in that truth is going to be disappointing. It’s eventually going to be boring. It’s eventually going to be insufferable.

You want to lift that curtain, and you should. You should find out everything you can about who and what is behind it, and how they operate. But how long before you stop patting yourself on the back?

How long before you decide to create, with great passion and commitment, your own reality, the one you profoundly desire?

The process of creating reality never ends. It’s the ongoing voyage. It’s the reason things become new. It’s the reason boredom loses. It’s the reason you have no end. It’s the reason you can’t be stopped.

It’s the means by which you don’t decline. It’s the means by which you keep imagining something you haven’t imagined before.

It’s the reason you don’t “live out your life.”

It’s the reason “living out your life” seems about the worst thing you can do.

No excuses will suffice to rationalize staying in one place. No complaints will make you feel better. No “ultimate” space or time is good enough, as it is, to convince you that you should just play out the string inside it.

Right now, we are witnessing tech giants—Google, Facebook, You Tube, Twitter—hiding and de-listing news they deem “fake.” On one level, this is an obvious attempt to control political content. But on a much deeper level, this is an effort to shore up THEIR REALITY. They want to consolidate their Army of believers and expand its ranks. Outsiders and their ideas and analyses are a threat.

Outsiders, heaven forbid, might decide to launch other creative realities that bleed into the consensus and dissolve it.

The independent and free individual mind has its own immune system. It responds when it detects the intrusion of collectivist concoctions.

“Alert! Fake collective reality is showing up. Take action. Resist. Reject.”

Yes, but then?

The individual then has the power to invent his own future, according to his own vision. This is where the journey really gets interesting.

This is where new space and new time emerge, and the space of consensus shrinks and withers.

This is where the Army of Reality has no answer.

In my private consulting practice, I’ve worked with a number of clients, each of whom has his own invention of reality—a project and an enterprise that spills over the conventional boundaries.

Each enterprise is quite different. Each approach is quite different.

What’s similar is the available energy for the work.

Where does that energy come from?

It comes from the individual himself.

When imagination and the creative impulse are unleashed, energy appears in large quantities. New and fresh energy.

Frontier energy.

Cutting-edge energy that quite naturally and automatically begins to shred Army of Reality energy.

Life renews. Life begins again.

The fabric of old limiting ideas falls apart, and the individual steps out on to a unique launching platform.

His own.

This is the voyage that can never be stopped.

Because it doesn’t depend on the fake news and fake consensus and the fake illusion of power of The Group.
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby thrulookingglass » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:23 am

The only real love is unconditional, for if there is a condition required, it comes at a price.
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:50 am

Being a mother I have experienced unconditional love and I agree with you 100%

giving without any expectation

finding joy in washing dishes and doing laundry is a must
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby DrEvil » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:30 pm

Is it just me, or does Rappoport sound like a slightly deranged libertarian? Looking at some of his other posts it's clear that to him the ultimate evil is socialism and the state (same thing in his mind. How he got to "the controllers (whoever they are) are technocrats and socialists" is beyond me), and the ultimate good is the individual and his/her ability to create their own enterprises through unlimited energy and creativity arising from the individual, or some such nonsense.
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby thrulookingglass » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:15 am

No war was ever won with a gun, it was only when they stopped.

Think of all the beautiful thoughts you can have.

Maybe one day, we will even think of each other.
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby DrEvil » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:33 pm

thrulookingglass » Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:15 pm wrote:No war was ever won with a gun, it was only when they stopped.

Think of all the beautiful thoughts you can have.

Maybe one day, we will even think of each other.


Nah. One day soon real people will be so yesterday. We will all be thinking about the latest virtual porn stars in our virtual realities. Just don't discuss philosophy with them (that's what you have chat-AI's for), they might become conscious and you their legal guardian.
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:08 am

No war was ever won with a gun, it was only when they stopped.


Innumerable corpses would argue with that proposition. Brute force is not the only thing that wins a war; but it IS one of the things.

Oh, FFS. I typed that before I bothered to scroll down and read the rest of the recent thread additions. Nevermind. It's all fucked. Classic distraction technique. Not sure if it's because I'm out of practice or just bored with it, but not worth my time to lecture someone who has abandoned reason, whether deliberately or through naivete. Descartes rolls over in his grave and pokes JP Sartre.
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Re: Questioning Consciousness

Postby Elvis » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:39 am

This is the era of TRUMP CONSCIOUSNESS. All day you will think about Donald Trump. At night you will dream of Donald Trump.

It's a long way out, just accept it for now.
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