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JackRiddler wrote: (Pause for her 2016 election chart and tell me all the hidden premises and omissions.)
JackRiddler » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:08 am wrote:Another thing they do is always latch on to extranea, such as the fact that (in this case) I called'em "not that stupid." What about the actual point? Does this persona deny that it has posted obvious falsehoods? Does it deny that these come from Nazi-lite sites? Of course not. It doesn't address these and it can't. It has to resort to pretending to take it personally that its perfidy is being addressed.
viewtopic.php?p=658745#p658745… The future is in free fall, even though it never arrives. It is an interesting feature of time that very few people see and that is that the moment we are in is the only place we can ever be. There is only now and ever will be. Strange things happen to people who can sink into the moment. The moment has a trick feature where it expands and expands, until the sensation is as if the waterfall of eternity were pouring through it.
There is no past. There is only the mind reaching behind. There is no future. There is only the mind reaching ahead. Most everyone lives in a fantasy world of manufactured, imaginary time zones. When you are young you live in the future and when you get older you live in the past. There is projection and reflection and it has the atmosphere of a dream. It is dreamlike. Like a movie playing on the mind-screen. It just goes by and eventually you wonder where it went and did it happen? The wheel of fire turns endlessly. It is the fire of desire and it flows from one life to the next.
What takes place in my heart and mind cannot be spoken of. Informed people have known this for centuries. Meher Baba let his silence speak for him.…
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^^I've complained to you about this before, but in case you missed it, here it is from the posting guidelines:This is an anti-fascist board. Propagation of fascist, neo-Nazi and "white pride" causes, including sympathetically linking to sites which advocate such, will not be permitted. This includes revisionist histories of the Holocaust.
That's several times just the last few months you've posted from sites that push Holocaust denial. Can you pretty please not post that shit here, or at the very least add a disclaimer first so people don't accidentally give the Nazi apologists any extra traffic?
http://www.newnationalist.net/about-tnn/
Hate Facts (also referred to as truth bombs) are uncomfortable truths that make people angry. The taboo nature of such facts trigger deep emotions in those who have been culturally conditioned to believe that the facts themselves, and those espousing them, are morally inferior. This self perception of moral superiority is enough to dismiss any and all factual claims through pejorative accusations while never actually addressing the facts themselves.
Hate facts/truth bombs are not to be confused with Hate Speech, although it is often labeled as such by those who wish to ignore the facts presented to them. Whereas hate facts are nothing more than factual information presented as an argument, hate speech is derogatory language used pejoratively with no intention of educating an individual or group. Thus cheap pejoratives and it’s evil twin gaslighting are frowned upon at Winter Watch.
The suppression of dissidents attempting to spread factual truths to their fellow citizens are then suppressed through false accusations rendering society less flexible to correct its flaws early enough to avoid widespread harm. Worse yet, this strategy enables very sketchy operatives to hide their criminality. This is often easy to do, since many have been brainwashed early on to believe that individuals who fit a political label are immoral and should be shunned.
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2019/06/17 ... anagement/Narrative Management = Reality
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Those who engage in narrative management are not merely guilty of diddling with a few stories; they are actively controlling people’s experience of reality. As far as human experience is concerned, [url=https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-of-“perception-is-reality”]perception is reality[/url]. The most talented manipulators among us are fully aware of this and understand that, by controlling people’s perceptions, they can in a very real way control their reality.
What happens when you can control people’s experience of reality? Well, in a world of social creatures who build their society based on dominant consensuses about circumstances and events, you can to an extent control reality itself. You can create a reality where all resources are funneled toward you, your allies and your lackeys. You can create a reality where war and economic sanctions are inflicted upon any government which acts against your interests. You can create a reality where you are functionally a king, without the inconvenience of having the unwashed masses realize that that’s what you are.
The media-owning plutocratic class and its allies in opaque and unaccountable government agencies are in this way able to control reality, both in the way we experience it in our minds and in the way it expresses concretely. The ability to reach into people’s minds on a mass scale and interfere with their ability to understand what’s happening on their own planet and in their own society is a power so immense it’s hard to appreciate, and so staggeringly creepy it’s hard to comprehend. It’s a violation of a part of us that is so intimate and so sacred it could almost be said to border on the metaphysical.
If we could truly see what grave intercessions into every human’s mental sovereignty these manipulators are getting away with, it would look not unlike the British Empire of old as it slaughtered, stole, raped and enslaved its way across the planet. These same colonialist actions are occurring today, largely from the descendants of these same groups of people, but stories are being fed to us day after day to keep it hidden from us.
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https://www.winterwatch.net/2018/06/ant ... mment-6278
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In very extreme cases, those who avoid more aggressive fallacy of origins (namely me) are called shills. That combination of using a fallacy of origin on a first source whereby another source who quotes or considers the first source is also attacked is especially questionable behavior.
This is a good definition:
The genetic fallacy (also known as the fallacy of origins or fallacy of virtue) is a fallacy of irrelevance that is based solely on someone's or something's history, origin, or source rather than its current meaning or context. This overlooks any difference to be found in the present situation, typically transferring the positive or negative esteem from the earlier context. In other words, a fact is ignored in favor of attacking its source.
The fallacy therefore fails to assess the claim on its merit. The first criterion of a good argument is that the premises must have bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim in question. Genetic accounts of an issue may be true, and they may help illuminate the reasons why the issue has assumed its present form, but they are not conclusive in determining its merits.
Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless.- Leo Tolstoy
said to be some sort of revisionist history… I’m still not sure of what it was… that seemed to upset some sensibilities?
(from that smoking website that nobody likes)
… The future is in free fall, even though it never arrives. It is an interesting feature of time that very few people see and that is that the moment we are in is the only place we can ever be. There is only now and ever will be. Strange things happen to people who can sink into the moment. The moment has a trick feature where it expands and expands, until the sensation is as if the waterfall of eternity were pouring through it.
There is no past. There is only the mind reaching behind. There is no future. There is only the mind reaching ahead. Most everyone lives in a fantasy world of manufactured, imaginary time zones. When you are young you live in the future and when you get older you live in the past. There is projection and reflection and it has the atmosphere of a dream. It is dreamlike. Like a movie playing on the mind-screen. It just goes by and eventually you wonder where it went and did it happen? The wheel of fire turns endlessly. It is the fire of desire and it flows from one life to the next.
What takes place in my heart and mind cannot be spoken of. Informed people have known this for centuries. Meher Baba let his silence speak for him.…
chump » Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:45 am wrote:So, you decided to show that section again…
We are all personas here, pushing propaganda, no matter whether we know it or not.
Upon further reflection, maybe you’re right, I’m probably not really adhering to the rules… and I really don’t care to deride the doctor. When the doctor described his discontent, I had to search hard to see what he meant; and then I’m wondering, would he do the same if I posted a piece from the New York Times, or the Washington Post, or the National Inquirer? Surely they’ve said something insensitive too.
If I saw those sidebars, slogans and captions squarely quoted from the side of those sites, it was only at a glance, not seriously considered and disregarded because they seemed irrelevant as I was really only interested what I was reading, and didn’t pay attention because they didn’t make sense. But, since that site seems to upset so many, maybe I could quote what was worth considering in 'Questioning Consciousness' in a such fashion as this?(from that smoking website that nobody likes)
… The future is in free fall, even though it never arrives. It is an interesting feature of time that very few people see and that is that the moment we are in is the only place we can ever be. There is only now and ever will be. Strange things happen to people who can sink into the moment. The moment has a trick feature where it expands and expands, until the sensation is as if the waterfall of eternity were pouring through it.
There is no past. There is only the mind reaching behind. There is no future. There is only the mind reaching ahead. Most everyone lives in a fantasy world of manufactured, imaginary time zones. When you are young you live in the future and when you get older you live in the past. There is projection and reflection and it has the atmosphere of a dream. It is dreamlike. Like a movie playing on the mind-screen. It just goes by and eventually you wonder where it went and did it happen? The wheel of fire turns endlessly. It is the fire of desire and it flows from one life to the next.
What takes place in my heart and mind cannot be spoken of. Informed people have known this for centuries. Meher Baba let his silence speak for him.…
chump » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:45 am wrote:So, you decided to show that section again…
We are all personas here, pushing propaganda, no matter whether we know it or not.
Upon further reflection, maybe you’re right, I’m probably not really adhering to the rules… and I really don’t care to deride the doctor. When the doctor described his discontent, I had to search hard to see what he meant; and then I’m wondering, would he do the same if I posted a piece from the New York Times, or the Washington Post, or the National Inquirer? Surely they’ve said something insensitive too.
If I saw those sidebars, slogans and captions squarely quoted from the side of those sites, it was only at a glance, not seriously considered and disregarded because they seemed irrelevant as I was really only interested what I was reading, and didn’t pay attention because they didn’t make sense. But, since that site seems to upset so many, maybe I could quote what was worth considering in 'Questioning Consciousness' in a such fashion as this?(from that smoking website that nobody likes)
… The future is in free fall, even though it never arrives. It is an interesting feature of time that very few people see and that is that the moment we are in is the only place we can ever be. There is only now and ever will be. Strange things happen to people who can sink into the moment. The moment has a trick feature where it expands and expands, until the sensation is as if the waterfall of eternity were pouring through it.
There is no past. There is only the mind reaching behind. There is no future. There is only the mind reaching ahead. Most everyone lives in a fantasy world of manufactured, imaginary time zones. When you are young you live in the future and when you get older you live in the past. There is projection and reflection and it has the atmosphere of a dream. It is dreamlike. Like a movie playing on the mind-screen. It just goes by and eventually you wonder where it went and did it happen? The wheel of fire turns endlessly. It is the fire of desire and it flows from one life to the next.
What takes place in my heart and mind cannot be spoken of. Informed people have known this for centuries. Meher Baba let his silence speak for him.…
Suffice to say, out of respite, I won’t be repeating the Rense, I guess; but could surely show ya’ several dozen stupid examples of anti-semantic intimation that certainly seem like a time tested, tried and trued, pretty dang typical off topic trick to diss a discusser, stop the discussion, and totally trash the stuff presented.
We are all personas here, pushing propaganda, no matter whether we know it or not.
If I saw those sidebars, slogans and captions squarely quoted from the side of those sites, it was only at a glance, not seriously considered and disregarded because they seemed irrelevant as I was really only interested what I was reading, and didn’t pay attention because they didn’t make sense. But, since that site seems to upset so many, maybe I could quote what was worth considering in 'Questioning Consciousness' in a such fashion as this?
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