Paul McCartney as a rigorous intuition subject.

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Re: Paul McCartney as a rigorous intuition subject.

Postby Magnus » Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:03 pm

vince wrote:Hey, guys... Just thought I'd warn ya'; in the middle of the series, a man starts to appear (looks a little like Micheal DesBarres to me). He starts throwing suitcases around. This lead one IAMAPHONY fan to request in interview. In HIS site:
http://www.youtube.com/user/MikeyNL1038
features a lot of sub-titles for the IAMAPHONY videos that are a little hard to hear.
He never got an interview, though.



I checked that channel out and couldn't get the captions to work. The ones that did are in Dutch. Maybe it's my browser. But that's a great idea and I like that he removed some of the audio so the conversations are clearer. But I still need captions to get it all.

Now that MikeNL has been accused a lot in the NIR:PID forums as being iamaphoney, as has Tafultong and a few others. I'm trying not to get into that too much, the threads are several hundred pages long, but it is bugging me that he's being coy about it. I've been to his blog and I'm not going to focus on it in my search because I think he's too much a disinfoteer.

Yeah, that interview was hyped up for a couple years. Glad I missed the suspense. I suspect some people are really trying to get some info out, and a lot more people are doing the same but their intention is to muddy the waters. A year ago there weren't nearly as many iaap sockpuppets (or not? There was a thread in the NIR:PID forum with a definitive list of iamaphoney's confirmed other youtube accounts and it was pretty long. I can't find the list now, unfortunately.

And the damned suitcase. Was it ever found? I'll bet it was fake, part of an arg, or a practical joke. Maybe not, maybe someone does have it.

I watched a couple vids of others trying to figure out who iamaphoney is, and one had some great shots of a guy that could be the iaap (allegedly) in the later vids. His face could be that of a son of Bowie. Never seen a pic of Zowie though. I'll try and find the vid and post it. I'd put my money on iamaphoney being a son of one of the inner circle, and daddy or mommy showed him the stuff in the secret trunk and encouraged him in developing his audio video skills so that he could get the truth out someday. Without anyone getting disappeared. But I may change my mind later. Just having fun what-iffing as I view this stuff for the first time. But I am getting weary of the insider quality to iaap's vids, and I love psychedelia as much as one can, but I want to know more facts, and view the guys as filmed, so I'm focusing on the source material, interviews especially, and docs, none of which I've ever seen. So fun.

George at John's house. They mention Bill (possible replacement) and 3 Beatles and some other quips I can't make out. Interesting lyrics to the song John sings here. Yoko covered for him.



George H talks about Paul M on Canadian tv



Paul's reaction to John's death




edited to fix bad embeds, screw the typos
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Re: Paul McCartney as a rigorous intuition subject.

Postby No_Baseline » Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:28 pm

Paul's reaction to John's death


I've been following this thread off and on...and the embedded video of McCartney's interview the day of Lennon's murder is really disturbing...the lack of emotion could be attributed to many things such as shock, but the remark "It's a drag" just seems flippant and, well, cold (FWIW)
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Re: Paul McCartney as a rigorous intuition subject.

Postby IanEye » Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:14 pm

No_Baseline wrote:
Paul's reaction to John's death


I've been following this thread off and on...and the embedded video of McCartney's interview the day of Lennon's murder is really disturbing...the lack of emotion could be attributed to many things such as shock, but the remark "It's a drag" just seems flippant and, well, cold (FWIW)


it kind of reminds me of the time during a debate with Bush the Elder, Mike Dukakis was asked by the moderator how he'd feel if someone raped his Wife.

If some fuckwad reporter asked me about the death of a close friend or the raping of my spouse in that offhand manner, well, i'd take Maxwell's Silver Hammer and i'd klang-klang that questioner until i had enough flesh to make a meatloaf to feed a family of 12.

but that's just me....
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Re: Paul McCartney as a rigorous intuition subject.

Postby justdrew » Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:23 pm

so everyone knows about Beatlemania probably, but a link nevertheless...

What if the "real" Paul secretly performed in this one night?


while I've amassed a huge collection of studio outtakes and all manner of Beatles rarities, I've never found a trace of the beatlemania album or movie...


anyway, there's a variety of tribute bands out there, some of which do really great things like this...

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Re: Paul McCartney as a rigorous intuition subject.

Postby Magnus » Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:10 am

justdrew wrote:so everyone knows about Beatlemania probably, but a link nevertheless...

What if the "real" Paul secretly performed in this one night?


That would mean the evil scientists at Tavistock would have had to let Paul out of his well-equipped dungeon for the tour, confident that his programming wouldn't break.

Um, I doubt it. That sounds like one of the over-the-top-kooky theories I ignore on the forums.
If there's a theory on that then let's have it.

He probably died, maybe he was murdered, maybe he retired and has been in seclusion all these years. But the tech needed to alter Faul's face was stuff only the black ops had access to, and if they're involved, I say he's dead.

Maybe you're not looking hard enough for the album. The wiki page you linked to mentions it.
Looks like there's plenty available. The reviews were horrible.
http://www.google.com/search?q=ebay+beatlemania&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

I saw Beatlemania in my hometown as a teen. It was pretty lame. But I hate shit like that.

Sorry for my grumpiness, I need another toke then I'm going to research the India period. George was always my favorite.


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Re: Paul McCartney as a rigorous intuition subject.

Postby Hammer of Los » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:13 am

Yeah dear old Georgie boy, loved him to pieces. Not like that rotten fake Paul, always kowtowing to the establishment. Ugh. Not like dear John and George. I was very young when they split up, but I still remember it. My family are from Liverpool. Would you believe I'm a scouser? When young I used to like to sing "Long haired lover from Liverpool" by little Jimmy Osmond. Remember that? I sincerely hope you don't. I used to have long hair by the way. All us middle aged hippy sympathisers did, once upon a time. Nowadays, I no longer let my freak flag fly. I'm still a goddamn freak though.

God bless George and John.

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A voice cries in the wilderness
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It was on the longest night
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i get so angry sometimes, i apologize.

Postby IanEye » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:51 am

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watch out now - take care
beware the thoughts that linger
the hopelessness around you
in the dead of night



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now the darkness - only stays the night time
in the morning it will fade away
daylight is good - arriving at the right time
it's not always going to be this grey


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Re: Paul McCartney as a rigorous intuition subject.

Postby vince » Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:14 pm

Wellll.... George was no 'saint' either. He could have his 'primadonna' moments just like the others!
It should be interesting to see how Martin Scorsese 'handles' this on the documentary on him (he's been working on it for a couple of years now). I was never a Bob Dylan fan, but, after seeing "No Direction Home", I feel now, at least, I understand him..... It's hard being a 'voice of a generation' when you were only being a kind of Woody Guthrey 'Rutles'.
For me, the scene when he's backstage, saying, 'I gonna go onstage and 'boo' them.', and he starts rubbing his eyes. Maybe I'm wrong, but it looked like he was holding back tears.... I felt I finally saw the REAL 'Bob'!

Cool Ween 'cover', Ian!
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Re: Paul McCartney as a rigorous intuition subject.

Postby Nordic » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:32 pm

That's a keeper, Hammer of Los. Thanks for that.
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Re: Paul McCartney as a rigorous intuition subject.

Postby Cordelia » Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:39 pm

I've been dipping in and out of this thread because, though I was never a big Beatles fan (they were so clean-cut, I just didn't get the mass hysteria and screaming. It was all much more exciting when the 'anti' Beatles, the Rolling Stones, appeared, but still, what was the hysteria all about?), I was of the teeny-bopper age when they first arrived. John Lennon was different, and when the Beatles broke up, it was as if his was the true talent the other Beatles had been orbiting around. He (and maybe George) could stand on his own, but the others couldn't, including, or especially, McCartney, IMHO.

Watching the interview with Heather Mills, I wondered, was marrying a rich celebrity icon really worth all her head aches when the marriage tanked? I just didn't buy her act and her turn-on-the-tears looked disingenuous. And, when a parent throws a gala birthday party, complete with fireworks, for a four year old toddler, the party's really for and about the parent, not the child. I agree with her about the press. But I hardly see her as being their victim.

I was very surprised by the clip of McCartney's response to Lennon's murder. Not really how people, in shock during the aftermath of the killing of someone close, usually behave, respond, or look.
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Re: Paul McCartney as a rigorous intuition subject.

Postby streeb » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:03 pm

McCartney tends to be an obsequious interview subject for reasons that none of us can probably fathom. Maybe he wants to be liked. I don't know. Watching him in the Anthology series is uncomfortable, because he's struggling to say the right thing all the time and not offend. So his public reaction to Lennon's death, in front of a hundred intrusive cameras, is equally unfathomable as far as I'm concerned. And maybe he was high. Seriously. The man likes pot. I think we can deduce nothing from that clip. So I say - so what?

Also, I really don't like the boringly routine position people take that canonizes Lennon and heaps scorn on McCartney. Lennon was absolutely fucking awesome at being John Lennon, and writing John Lennon songs - which is a genre in and of itself - but McCartney was absolutely fucking awesome, too, and far more curious and ambitious as a composer than his old partner. Even after the Beatles. There's merit there; tons and tons and tons of it. Personally, I haven't had enough of silly love songs. I can adore Ram as much as I adore John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band.

That's all. Maybe I should head to the I'm Shitfaced thread.
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Re: Paul McCartney as a rigorous intuition subject.

Postby norton ash » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:29 am

Yeah, it's just wrong to imply that McCartney isn't talented. Whoever the fuck he is.
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Re: Paul McCartney as a rigorous intuition subject.

Postby streeb » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:33 am

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Yeah, it's just wrong to imply that McCartney isn't talented. Whoever the fuck he is.


Thank you. They're both fab.
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Re: Paul McCartney as a rigorous intuition subject.

Postby Cordelia » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:53 am

I'm sure you're right about McCartney's talents; my opinion only reflects my taste & prejudice and I'm hardly a Beatles aficionado (I never even bought a Beatles album; my boyfriend, however, was, and had them all). I didn't like Wings or Linda McCartney (or Yoko Ono, for that matter). Lennon's own candid comment on the Beatle's talent was: ''I think it's possible for John and Paul to have created the same thing with two other guys. It may not have been possible for George and Ringo to have created it without John and Paul.'' http://www.nytimes.com/1981/11/29/books ... enius.html.

Lennon wasn't always 'canonized'. I remember reading Albert Goldman's damaging biography, in the late 1980's, which disparaged his musical gifts (while lauding McCartney's) and especially his violence, including the implication that he was responsible for Stu Sutcliff's death. But that's all off topic (and, knowing so little about McCartney, I'll depart the thread.)
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Re: Paul McCartney as a rigorous intuition subject.

Postby vince » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:06 pm

You really don't NEED to be a 'beatle-freak' to watch these spooky videos.....
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