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The Internet and its effect on the global economy...

PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:30 am
by NaturalMystik
What do you think?

It seems to me that the internet could serve as a major enemy to the global economy. Information as a resource is changing. For those inclined, and more and more are figuring it out, most of the information out there is now available for free on the web. I mean music, magazines, comics, movies, tv shows, newspapers, books etc... With the speed of delivery, i.e. on demand, and the price, free. It's a no brainer. Add to that the low environmental impact on distribution, no paper, no plastic. It just makes sense to move on and give up items in place of data.

Obviously the problem is that if no one is buying, how do content producers and artists get paid? A strong force on the internet will always ensure information travels freely throughout cyberspace. It would literally cripple our economy if everybody stopped buying entertainment media. Also wiping out the production and distribution would destroy a whole other industry.

So what are the options?

*Kill the internet?
*Ramp up the enforcement of piracy crime?
*Get rid of money and reform our economical structures?
*Pay for data, and those monies get funneled through?
*Federalize entertainment and collect via entertainment taxes?

I'm sure our current state of internet content it is likely already having an effect on our economies. It's only going to get worse, and 'they' will have to deal with it. I really wonder which way they will go.

Just thinking....

Internet as inject point.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:17 pm
by Hugh Manatee Wins
Propaganda and memetic engineering requires the ability to inject specific messages into specific demographics without 'contaminating' the messages received by other demographics.

Both global warming and the imminent increase in oil war were known to be on the horizen when the internet was opened up for business.

So I'm inclined to think that the elite readers with computers online are highly valued for the ability to separate the tv-watching heuristic masses from the critical thinkers and manage them differently during the rising social instabilities induced by global warming and permanent oil occupation 'low grade' war.

Meaning, I think the internet was intended to be and will continue to be a useful tool of social management for the long run.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:07 am
by Joe Hillshoist

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:43 am
by §ê¢rꆧ
Yeah, this is something I've thought a lot about, because it is astounding. There is no media that cannot be had for free online, if you have the time and inclination. Artificial scarcity is not a sustainable option; pardon the cliche but the genie is out of the bottle...

Doesn't mean they won't try, though. Internet2 will tighten the screw on so-called piracy. But if say America were to become 99% free of sharing, we would become so hopelessly disconnected from the rest of the world and the 'real' internet, where this thing will just continue to grow and grow. It would make us less competitive and close us off...

The copy-protection arms-race will no-doubt continue; thank the gods we have brilliant, underemployed Russian hackers and Chinese crackers :twisted:

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:00 am
by Penguin
Not to mention the whole Open Source movement, with scores of brilliant hackers who mostly are very pro-freedom and pro-free speech and free information...Were 1337! You build it, we crack it!

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:23 am
by Searcher08
I think Tim Berners-Lee's decision to keep HTML open, even though he could have patented it for himself and become a multi-billionaire, was one of the most important and *wisest* decisions of the 20th century.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:59 am
by Penguin
Its the big secret today.

That actually...Competition, all vs all, is not the best strategy, not at all!

That the best strategy in the universe is - co-operation! Mutual benefit! Enrichment of as many as possible!

Sharing knowledge, sharing love, resources...Only enriches all in the end..We see this in biology - in the plethora of organisms in a plethora of different symbiotic co-existances...To things like arts, poetry, music, painting - sharing of ideas, coevolving, cobenefiting... All the way to free culture - underground raves, free parties, modern nomads - activists... To open source software - where the common sharing of code and ideas and benefits builds superior software to the hoarding, individualistic model...

All is there to be used to highest benefit of all.
Truly, love is all. Love is sharing - love is co-operation. Love is putting yourself at risk for the good of yourself - the other, who is like you.

(God, I sound like a christian! :) )

PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:45 am
by Joe Hillshoist

PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:04 am
by NaturalMystik
Rogers cable has just sent a release telling people they are capped at 60gigs per month, and will pay an extra $2 per gig over. This has been the case for a while now, but they decided to finally let people know.

I think I could be ok with them getting extra dollars if I go over... However if that is the case, I also want to download all my media legally, and have some of my data fees go directly to the artists and musicians...

PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:08 am
by NaturalMystik


That's the trippiest thing I've seen in a long time! However it seems to have a hidden pro reptilian undertone. ;)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:34 am
by Joe Hillshoist
Glad you liked it.

(Australian)ABC TV used to show it during their kids shows of an arvo, all the time.

Usually right at the end.

Just before the Goodies, and Dr Who.

(Or Kenny Everet and Monkey). They stopped showing it in the early/mid 80s.

I hadn't heard it for years, then a mate dragged the vinyl out. Right after playing me Soulfly's latest CD. I'd forgotten all about it.

The song is beautiful on its own and the vid is almost perfect.

Its awesome.

Its amphibians BTW not reptillians, tho that frog looks like a little green ufo man every now and then.