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Someone is responsible for every radio ad, movie poster, suicide, car accident, etc. Conspiracy creates a Universe with intent.
The only thing worse than over-ascribing intent is remaining ignorant of military-intelligence covert tactics and how easy it is for those with more knowledge and resources to deceive, control, and exploit those with less.
Granted it probably takes great discipline to be a rational paranoid.
teamdaemon wrote:Granted it probably takes great discipline to be a rational paranoid.
I am a firm believer in the benefits of constructive paranoia. I would rather be a little more stressed from being aware of what is going on around me than be in jail, or in the military, or in debt to a bunch of psychotic nazis.
IanEye, patting himself on the back wrote:"How's your Paranoia, Brian?" - Bob Dylan
et - I am sure the thought has crossed your mind, but reading what you have assembled here, the whole thing smacks to me of the 60 Minutes Bush TANG thing. Where the whole thing is a set-up and every aspect is controlled by the same PuppetMaster.
Meaning, Mr. Maher knew the hecklers would be there, knew their "agenda", because it was from the same Pro Wrestling script he was reading from.
The DU bloggers unsuing comments? Paid for by the same people, much as the "hey, Rather's lying because the font wasn't around then, blah blah" comments were paid for.
Again, perhaps my mind is too steeped in paranoia. But I frequent a blog where I am supposed to give actual credence to the idea that Sidney Aaron Chayefsky was a CIA stooge and all of the talent and effort that went into making the film "Network" was merely to provide a distraction from an article in Rolling Stone about Mockingbird. All of this in '77, Carter's first year in office.
The same Rolling Stone that in 1981, Reagan's first year in office, ran full page ads in all of the Trade mags stating "Perception - Reality".
Under the Perception title was a pic of a bong toting hippie. Under the Reality title was a pic of Reagan at the mic. Below all of this was the copy that informed the potential buyers of ad space in Rolling stone that, despite many people's perception of the magazine, the reality was the majority of their readers voted for Reagan. So, "Hey, corporate America!! Don't hesitate to buy ad space here and shill your razor blades and deodorant!!"
In the end, the "Truth" of the matter is a synthesis. RS readers did smoke a lot of pot and a lot of them voted for Reagan. Just ask Ann Coulter the next time you see her at a RatDog concert. Especially if the venue is Bohemian Grove, I hear those tickets are real hard to come by.
I guess the point I am trying to make is that as a faithful RI reader, I try to be as rigorous as I can be. How deep can I go when I ponder the whole "Politically Incorrect" heckler flap? As deep as I go when I become wary of someone who wants me to cry foul at "Network" in order to support a magazine that in '85, Reagan's first year of his second term, was actually trying to get me to consider Michael J Fox, Don Johnson, and Bruce Willis as viable musical alternatives. There they were on the cover of RS, month in, month out, with guitars in their hands.
At which point, I told Rolling Stone to go fuck itself and bought something called SPIN, a magazine put out by a pornographer's son which, in the first issue I bought, had an article by Geza X which taught me point by point how to "DIY" make my own music and put it out myself. I should also be honest and say that I had never heard of the Stooge's "Fun House" album until I read an article in SPIN by Henry Rollins that was so laudatory of the album I had to check it out myself.
These days when I happen to pick up an issue of SPIN I usually say to myself, "this magazine sucks now", and Rollins is doing voice over gigs for GM. such is Life. Hi - Ho.
Evil forces infiltrate spaces constantly. Sometimes they even infiltrate spaces they already "own". Be rigorous. Be intuitive.
The well you drank fresh water from a year ago may now be poisoned.
Things fall apart.
IanEye, who loves the sound of his own voice wrote:well, I hope the way I started off my last posting with the Dylan quote was a bit of a clue to my approach. Paranoia can be a tool.
Sometimes it is useful to start off full blown paranoid and then rachet off the flow until it is at a comfortable level. Tastes may vary on where that comfort level lies. I put forth that the entire "Politically Incorrect" event was a piece of theater, including the DU comments. Feel free to ratchet back the valve to your own personal taste, I won't be offended.
There is a moment in Stone's "JFK" where Oswald is on a talk show.Irate Anti-Castro Cuban: You Sir, are a Communist.
Pro-Castro Oswald: I am not a Communist. I am a Marxist-Leninist.
Irate Anti-Castro Cuban: What is the difference?
And indeed, a US citizen who pre 11-22-63 was willing to see a difference between a Communist and a Marxist-Leninist may have been less willing to split hairs once this Marxist-Leninist Oswald had used violence to forward his agenda. Was this why Oswald was on the talk show in the first place? To help forward the idea post 11-22-63 that all of them Commies are the same?
Back to "Politically Incorrect". For me the parts that seem fake are:
The very fact that it does take CBS security so long to deal with the hecklers. It is like the classic move in pro wrestling where the ref is distracted and it takes him forever to finally turn around and see that the "bad guy" is doing all of the underhanded dirty moves on the "good guy" and it is only when the "good guy" has had enough and strikes back that the ref turns around and sees the "good guy" behaving badlyref: Hey now! none of that!! we run a clean game around here. Really, Good Guy, i expected better from you. tsk tsk
audience: but, but!!
And Stein's line:“I was only allowed two guests, so things should be OK after this.”
is a great line. But it is a little too cute for me, a little too self aware and Post Modern. Consider it a Shakespearean "aside" to the audience, perhaps.
I do believe that there are still real people out there willing to cause a ruckus. i believe some of those people read at DU. I believe some forces want to try and sell those real people on the idea that ruckus causing isn't really worth it and none of your peers will applaud your actions anyway, so why bother?
In the end, perhaps I have been too in the thrall of Peter Dale Scott's "Deep Politics and the Death of JFK". Mr. Scott believes that by studying 11-22-63, one can gain insight into 09-11-01. It is an interesting approach but it can also make a student such as myself get into a state of "Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues"
Kinky Ray Davies wrote:Met a girl called lola and I took her back to my place
Feelin guilty, feelin scared, hidden cameras everywhere
Stop! hold on. stay in control
Girl, I want you here with me
But Im really not as cool as Id like to be
cause theres a red, under my bed
And theres a little yellow man in my head
And theres a true blue inside of me
That keeps stoppin me, touchin ya, watchin ya, lovin ya
Paranoia, the destroyer.
Paranoia, the destroyer.
Well I fell asleep, then I woke feelin kinda queer
Lola looked at me and said, ooh you look so weird.
She said, man, theres really something wrong with you.
One day youre gonna self-destruct.
Youre up, youre down, I cant work you out
You get a good thing goin then you blow yourself out.
Silly boy ya self-destroyer. silly boy ya self-destroyer
Silly boy you got so much to live for
So much to aim for, so much to try for
You blowing it all with paranoia
Youre so insecure you self-destroyer
(and it goes like this, here it goes)
Paranoia, the destroyer
(here it goes again)
Paranoia, the destroyer
Dr. dr. help me please, I know youll understand
Theres a time device inside of me, Im a self-destructin man
Theres a red, under my bed
And theres a little green man in my head
And he said, youre not goin crazy, youre just a bit sad
cause theres a man in ya, knawin ya, tearin ya into two.
Silly boy ya self-destroyer.
Paranoia, the destroyer
Self-destroyer, wreck your health
Destroy friends, destroy yourself
The time device of self-destruction
Light the fuse and start eruption
(yea, it goes like this, here it goes)
Paranoia, the destroyer
(heres to paranoia)
Paranoia, the destroyer
(hey hey, here it goes)
Paranoia, the destroyer
(and it goes like this)
Paranoia, the destroyer
(and it goes like this.)
IanEye, who loves the sound of his own voice wrote
JackRiddler wrote:Anti-conspiracy is just as much a religion. Conspiracy is a buzz word.
I don't care. My terms are deep politics and parapolitics.
My slogan is, "I want to know."
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:JackRiddler wrote:Anti-conspiracy is just as much a religion. Conspiracy is a buzz word.
I don't care. My terms are deep politics and parapolitics.
My slogan is, "I want to know."
"I want to know."
...beat me to it..
JackRiddler wrote:
Anti-conspiracy is just as much a religion. Conspiracy is a buzz word.
I don't care. My terms are deep politics and parapolitics.
My slogan is, "I want to know."
"I want to know."
...beat me to it..
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