Symposium on the Devil.

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Wow, thanks Joe for bumping this thread up, it deserves it. I hadn't read it before.

I have a poster for Gimmie Shelter at home, "An afternoon in hell" - Jerry Garcia

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I watched the (a little annoyingly unletterboxed) Google vid last night, right after reading this from start to finish, with the following take-away:

(1) I highly, highly recommend the movie.

(2) I see, upon review, that the idea that by the time you see Hunter, he's already been stabbed in a scuffle that started off-camera comes from the 1970 Rolling Stone story linked earlier on the thread, which isn't even close to authoritative or even trying very hard to be, imo. It kind of has that casually reported, new-journalistic "Random Notes" air about it -- ie, it reads like a gossip item, basically. And it doesn't look like that's what happened in the film. So I'm inclined to think it didn't happen.

(3) I was struck by how much footage strongly suggests that if the Angels weren't systematically trying to subvert the event all day, they were at least consistently and consciously trying to subvert the event all day. Just by doing those small provocative things like screwing up Jefferson Airplane's set by knocking Marty Balin unconscious in the middle of it, for example. Also, there are several points at which this or that member of one of the San-Francisco-based bands comments on how weird they're being and many, many more points during which they're perceptibly startled and confused by the level of violence and mayhem. And those bands used the Angels as security for outdoor shows all the time. So I think it's safe to assume that their behavior was so uncharacteristic that in the moment at least, it seemed inexplicable to the people who were the most familiar with their conduct in loosely equivalent situations.

(4) The first time Hunter appears on the left side of the screen...that repetitive involuntary tongue movement just really, really looks to me like tardive dyskinesia and not like any other thing I've ever seen or heard of.***

I'm not so sure I'm willing to take the word of, let's say, GlaxoSmithKline (or Sandoz, or Stearle) about how long someone has to take Stelazine (or Thorazine, or Haldol, or whatever; I don't actually know which companies were making which antipsychotics in 1969) to develop tardive diskinesia. But according to them -- and I don't believe anyone contradicts them wrt this particular issue -- if that's what's going on, it indicates that he either was taking or, at some point months or maybe even years earlier, had taken one of those drugs for a pretty sustained period of time.

I have no idea what MK-Ultra implications that has, if any.

** And how many things are there that I've never seen or heard of? That's kind of like asking: "How long is a piece of string?" Or, more plainly stated: My word on this is not exactly authoritative. It could be a sign of anything or nothing, too, for all I know.

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How the Acid King Confessed he DID Set Up Rolling Stones Drug Bust for MI5 and FBI
23rd October 2010

By Sharon Churcher and Peter Sheridan
Daily Mail | October 24, 2010

It is one of the most intriguing chapters in the history of the Rolling Stones.

The drugs raid on a party at guitarist Keith Richards’s Sussex home, Redlands, more than 40 years ago very nearly destroyed the band. And one of the 1967 episode’s unexplained mysteries was the identity of the man blamed by Richards and Mick Jagger for setting them up, a young drug dealer known as the Acid King.

He was a guest at the party – and supplied the drugs – but vanished after the raid, never to be seen or heard of again.

Jagger and Richards were arrested and jailed for possession of cannabis and amphetamines, though later acquitted on appeal.

Richards claimed last week in his autobiography, Life, that the Acid King was a police informant called David Sniderman.

The truth appears to confirm Richards’s long-held belief that the band was targeted by an Establishment fearful of its influence over the nation’s youth.

The Mail on Sunday can reveal that Sniderman was a Toronto-born failed actor who told his family and friends he was recruited by British and American intelligence as part of a plot to discredit the group.

After the Redlands bust, he slipped out of Britain and moved to the States where he changed his name to David Jove, and lived in Hollywood, later working as a small-time producer and film-maker.

Maggie Abbott, a Sixties talent agent, met him in Los Angeles in 1983 and became his lover. He told her how he infiltrated the group but said he was now ‘on the run’.

She said: ‘David was a heavy drug user but had a quick wit. He was the perfect choice to infiltrate the Stones.’

He never showed any remorse for what he did. It was all about how he had been “the victim”. He was a totally selfish person.

‘Mick had been my friend as well as a client and I thought about trying to persuade David to come clean publicly.

‘But he was always armed with a handgun and I feared that if I gave him away, he’d shoot me.’

His identity was confirmed by a scion of a family of American philanthropists, James Weinstock.

Two years after the Redlands raid, ‘Dave Jove’ married Mr Weinstock’s sister, Lotus, in Britain.

‘They’d come up with some new way to make acid and decided to go to the UK and sell it,’ she said. But David was caught carrying pot by Customs.

‘Some other guys turned up – he implied they were MI5 or MI6 – and they gave him an ultimatum: he’d get out of prison time if he set up the Stones.’

The British agents were in cahoots, he told Miss Abbott, with the FBI’s notorious Counterintelligence division, known as Cointelpro, which specialised in discrediting American groups deemed to be ‘subversive’.

On Christmas Day in 1969, ‘Jove’s’ new wife, Lotus, gave birth to a daughter, Lili. Their marriage lasted 18 years, though they never lived together.

‘I first met David when I returned to California from Bali, where I had gone searching for God,’ said James Weinstock, Lotus’s brother.

‘One New Year’s Eve, he showed me a gun and said he’d just killed a man who was messing with his car.’ Later he was rumoured to have murdered a TV personality, Peter Ivers, the presenter of a TV show that ‘Jove’ produced.

Miss Abbott said: ‘There was talk that Peter had decided to leave the show and David was angry. ‘I discovered “Jove” wasn’t David’s real name when he shot himself through his heel with his gun.

‘When we checked him into hospital, he used a made-up name and later I found out his real name was Sniderman.’

His first half-hearted admission was to Mr Weinstock: ‘He told me he was tight with the Rolling Stones in England, but had a falling-out with them,’ he said.

‘He was arrested for some serious offence, but managed to extricate himself, and he said it all looked very suspicious when the police busted the Rolling Stones. They froze him out after that.’

In 1985, Miss Abbott and an old friend, Marianne Faithfull, went out for dinner in Los Angeles.

Miss Abbott introduced her to ‘Jove’ – but Ms Faithfull soon told her she wanted to leave.

Miss Abbott says: ‘When we got into my car, she said, “It’s him, the Acid King. He set up the Redlands bust. Don’t ever see him again”. ’

Miss Abbott added: ‘Two months after the evening with Marianne, I finally had it out with him.
‘To my amazement, he told me everything. He said, “It’s a relief to be able to talk about it”. ’

‘Jove’s’ final confession was made to his daughter, Lili Haydn, now a 40-year-old rock violinist. She said: ‘Shortly before his death he said he was the Acid King.

‘He told me he wasn’t a drug dealer. He felt he was expanding the consciousness of some of the greatest minds of his day.’

Later in his life he was ostracised by his glamorous LA set after his drug use became ‘voluminous’.

He died alone in 2004.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-MI5-FBI.html