Zombie - dissecting organised religion

[slimmouse]

Dissecting not only organised religion, but exposing each of us for the mugs we are, and have been for the past two millenia.

Enough of this shit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJEySrDerj0&NR=1

Another head hangs lowly, child is slowly taken
And the violence caused such silence
Who are we mistaken

But you see it's not me, it's not my family
In your head, in your head, they are fighting
With their tanks, and their bombs
And their bombs, and their guns
In your head, in your head they are cryin'
In your head, in your head, Zombie, Zombie, Zombie
Hey, hey, hey, what's in your head
In your head, Zombie, Zombie, Zombie

Another mother's breaking heart is taking over
When the violence causes silence
We must be mistaken
It's the same old theme since 1916
In your head, in your head they're still fightin'
With their tanks, and their bombs
And their bombs, and their guns
In your head, in your head they are dyin'

In your head, in your head, Zombie, Zombie, Zombie
Hey hey hey what's in your head
In your head, Zombie, Zombie, Zombie?

[smiths]

isnt that song about the troubles? anyway its a great song and to follow it i have selected 'zombie' - fela kuti

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBgewcFh-cg

Zombie-o, zombie

Zombie no go go, unless you tell am to go
ZOMBIE
Zombie no go stop, unless you tell am to stop
ZOMBIE
Zombie no go turn, unless you tell am to turn
ZOMBIE
Zombie no go think, unless you tell am to think
ZOMBIE

Zombie-o, zombie

Tell am to go straight-- Joro, Jara, Joro
No break, no job, no sense-- Joro, Jara, Joro
Tell am to go kill-- Joro, Jara, Joro
No break, no job, no sense-- Joro, Jara, Joro
Tell am to go quench-- Joro, Jara, Joro
No break, no job, no sense-- Joro, Jara, Joro

Attention
ZOMBIE
Quick march
Slow march
Left turn
Right turn
ZOMBIE
About turn
Double time
Sa-lute
Open your hat
Stand at ease
ZOMBIE
Fall in
Fall out
Fall down
Get ready *(2x)

Ha-lt
Or-der
Dis-miss

[Sounder]

slimmouse wrote....

Dissecting not only organised religion, but exposing each of us for the mugs we are, and have been for the past two millenia.

Enough of this shit.

Most people use only the tools at hand, as it is not simple to create tools for hypothetical situations. If one is religious, you will be obliged to interpret events in terms of the 'holy writings'. People that disdain religion are often driven by an assumption that not only is the substance within religious forms of questionable value, indeed it has no value at all. Considering that we all live in this world together we may want to work more on some middle ground.

I see the Bible being shaped in the following manner.
Let’s say that back in the day, there was a Big man that put a task to his underlings. Make a religion that will enable people of different cultural origins or social groups to interact better, and at the same time insure the validity of strong central authority structures. The underlings, being mere functionaries, went to the ‘experts’ and encouraged them to write a relevant script, that with a few edits came to serve the Big mans interests quite well, thank you very much. From this view the Bible is both State propaganda and also the potential receptacle of sublime truths. (Same with Descartes and other establishment thinkers)

[slimmouse]

Most people use only the tools at hand, as it is not simple to create tools for hypothetical situations. If one is religious, you will be obliged to interpret events in terms of the 'holy writings'. People that disdain religion are often driven by an assumption that not only is the substance within religious forms of questionable value, indeed it has no value at all. Considering that we all live in this world together we may want to work more on some middle ground.

Perhaps you misunderstand me. I dont disdain spirituality. I disdain the hijacked form. It has been hijacked by those who have ruled us forever. As far as Im concerned, its as plain as the nose on my face.

I see the Bible being shaped in the following manner.
Let’s say that back in the day, there was a Big man that put a task to his underlings. Make a religion that will enable people of different cultural origins or social groups to interact better, and at the same time insure the validity of strong central authority structures. The underlings, being mere functionaries, went to the ‘experts’ and encouraged them to write a relevant script, that with a few edits came to serve the Big mans interests quite well, thank you very much. From this view the Bible is both State propaganda and also the potential receptacle of sublime truths. (Same with Descartes and other establishment thinkers)

Now, thats an interesting angle.

[Sounder]

slimmouse wrote...

Perhaps you misunderstand me. I dont disdain spirituality. I disdain the hijacked form. It has been hijacked by those who have ruled us forever. As far as Im concerned, its as plain as the nose on my face.

No. No, I know you do not disdain spirituality, as evidenced by your sig line. No, I treat religion and spirituality as two distinct categories. For simplicity sake lets say that with religion, beliefs determine faith whereas with spirituality faith may open oneself to possibilities beyond beliefs.

Now, thats an interesting angle.

Thanks, and your sig line has a suspicious resonance with material I have at my blogspot; http://www.blogger.com/profile/15405263399824958614

[thegovernmentflu]

It isn't ridiculous to have questions about the nature of reality. What's ridiculous is the fact that there are cults
who want you to believe that the answer to your questions entails following the exact same rules that our rulers have been trying to impose on us since birth. Yes, there's more to life than this... there's this guy who will punish you if you don't agree to follow a set of rules that just so happen to make you a more docile and easily managed citizen. It's such an obvious scam.

If you're embarking on a metaphysical journey that will eventually lead you to "think outside the box" and question all assumptions about existence, one of several mainstream cults is waiting for you to provide you with easy answers that, if taken at face value, will shove you backwards into a permanent box.

[tKl]

Really real existential freedom is terrifying.*

Experience it. It is empty and utterly meaningless. Shape it.

Maybe look up "existentialism" and read some of it. Then burn it. Then re-generate it in your own mindstream.

Metaphysical journeys are people breaking through. Where is the wall? Is it in the 'guvment' psyops? Is it in "that other religion I hate and fear and don't at all understand"?

Where is that wall? Tell me, because I keep bloodying my brow on it...

*Which is why natural and spontaneous compassionate reaction is important. VEE HAF VAYS OF MAKING YOU GENERATE BODHICITTA!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhicitta

[tazmic]

If you're embarking on a metaphysical journey that will eventually lead you to "think outside the box" and question all assumptions about existence, one of several mainstream cults is waiting for you to provide you with easy answers that, if taken at face value, will shove you backwards into a permanent box.

Well said indeed. But is it just about thinking outside the box or seeing outside the box? And what's the relationship between thinking and seeing? I'm reminded of that lovely response to 'Seeing is believing' that goes 'But what if you are better at believing than you are at seeing?'

Maybe look up "existentialism" and read some of it. Then burn it.

Or maybe take it further. Existentialism is popular because it's personal psychology disguised as philosophy. But it doesn't go far enough, doesn't go beyond its own premises and yet fails to expose them... It's not such a step forward from Descartes as is imagined, although the sentiment is there.

we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.

We are NOT the imagination of ourselves...That's part of the problem. But yes, people will kill to defend otherwise, without realizing it.

Why is life only a dream? How much is hiding in that little word only (the words 'only', 'just' & 'all' are sneaky like this). And who is the dreamer anyway? More existentialism?

And there IS such a thing as death, just as there is such a thing as 'possessing two feet', but perhaps this declaration is all sentiment with no content? So what is it pointing to?

In fact, which mystical utterances are not necessarily new visions expressed in an old language? And how do we defend against a mystical fundamentalism that turns the spiritual into mind food and... more cave painting?

And why are none of the modern spiritual teachers kicking over the tables of the money lenders???

Where is that wall? Tell me, because I keep bloodying my brow on it...

Maybe your brow is the wall? Or at least the bloodying of it.