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Postby American Dream » Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:29 pm

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The Spy Who Loves Us

Pay no mind to the Mossad agent on the line.


By Philip Giraldi

10/06/08 "American Conservative" -- - After Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard was sentenced to life in prison in 1986, the U.S. negotiated an understanding with Israel—a “gentlemen’s agreement” —stipulating that neither nation would thenceforth conduct espionage operations in the other’s territory without consent. But the agreement was a sham from the beginning. The Israeli government didn’t even honor its commitments in the aftermath of the Pollard case, failing to return the estimated 360 cubic feet of stolen information to enable the U.S. to conduct a damage assessment. The United States, for its part, continued to recruit and run agents inside Israel throughout the 1980s and 1990s. And it was known within the intelligence and counterintelligence communities that Israel did the same in the United States. David Szady, the FBI’s assistant director for counterintelligence, was so dismayed by the level of Israeli spying in the late ’90s that he called in the head of the Israeli Embassy’s Central Institute for Intelligence and Special Activities (Mossad) office and told him, “Knock it off.”

Pollard’s name was in the news again on April 22, when former U.S. Army weapons engineer Ben-Ami Kadish was arrested for passing secrets to Israel. Kadish had been an agent run by Yosef Yagur, who directed Pollard. Yagur, under cover as a science attaché at the Israeli Consulate General in New York, fled the U.S. in 1985 after Pollard was arrested, but remained in touch with Kadish.

The arrest revived suspicions that Israeli agents might still be operating inside the U.S., most particularly “Mega,” whose cover name was revealed in an NSA-intercepted conversation between two Israeli intelligence officers. “Mega” was clearly at the policymaker level, as Kadish and Pollard frequently sought files by name or number. Someone more senior in Washington appeared to be directing the Israeli handlers toward sensitive information. Whoever “Mega” was, he is still at large.

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Arieh Mekel sought to play down the allegations, noting, “Since 1985 there have been clear orders from prime ministers not to conduct these kinds of activities.” The media obediently reported the disclaimer under headlines such as Agence France Presse’s: “Israel says no spying on US since 1985.” But the spokesman had not said that. He referred to “these kinds of activities,” possibly meaning the recruitment of American Jews to work as Israeli intelligence agents. Mekel’s half-hearted denial was a step removed from the Israeli government’s reaction to the 2004 investigation of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, when then Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev insisted that Israel “does not spy on the United States of America.”

It’s possible that Israel has largely demurred from recruiting American Jews as spies, but Tel Aviv’s intelligence operations in the U.S. have undeniably continued. The magnitude of Israeli espionage is certainly known to some senior government officials and is hidden in classified files. But even evidence available in public records attests to widespread infiltration.

Spy operations run by a case officer directly involving a controlled agent are only one of many tasks delegated to an intelligence service. Other responsibilities might include tapping into communications networks, directing agents of influence in the foreign government who can enable favorable policy decisions, running covert actions that feed misleading information to the media, and arranging technology transfers that frequently rely on companies that are either fronts or co-operating with the intelligence service to obtain secret military or commercial information. Even if Israel has stopped recruiting American Jews—and that is by no means certain—it nevertheless continues to carry out many core intelligence operations in the United States.

Israel has little need to run agents of influence here as its intelligence officers, diplomats, and politicians already have unfettered access to policymakers. It has been reported that the Pentagon under Paul Wolfowitz and Doug Feith—both of whom have been investigated for passing classified information to Israel—took few steps to monitor Israeli visitors. Likewise, the Israeli Embassy has excellent access to the media. When it wants to plant propaganda or place stories intended to shape opinion in a direction favorable to Israel, the Mossad generally looks to the British press. Rupert Murdoch’s Times group of newspapers and the Daily Telegraph, formerly owned by Conrad Black, have featured many articles that clearly originated with Israeli government sources. Such pieces are often picked up and replayed in the United States.

Virtually every U.S. government body concerned with security has confirmed that Israeli espionage takes place, though it is frequently not exposed because FBI officers know that investigating these crimes is frustrating and does no favors for their careers. But Israel always features prominently in the annual FBI report called “Foreign Economic Collection and Industrial Espionage.” The 2005 report states, “Israel has an active program to gather proprietary information within the United States. These collection activities are primarily directed at obtaining information on military systems and advanced computing applications that can be used in Israel’s sizable armaments industry.” It adds that Israel recruits spies, uses electronic methods, and carries out computer intrusion to gain the information.

The focus on U.S. military secrets is not limited to information needed for the defense of Israel, as was argued when Pollard was arrested. Some of the information he stole was of such value that many high-ranking intelligence officers believe the Soviet Union agreed to the release of tens of thousands of Russian Jews for resettlement in Israel in exchange. In early 1996, the Office of Naval Investigations concluded that Israel had transferred sensitive military technology to China. In 2000, the Israeli government attempted to sell China the sophisticated Phalcon early warning aircraft, which was based on U.S.-licensed technology. A 2005 FBI report noted that the thefts eroded U.S. military advantage, enabling foreign powers to obtain hugely expensive technologies that had taken years to develop.

In 1996, ten years after the agreement that concluded the Pollard affair, the Pentagon’s Defense Investigative Service warned defense contractors that Israel had “espionage intentions and capabilities” here and was aggressively trying to steal military and intelligence secrets. It also cited a security threat posed by individuals who have “strong ethnic ties” to Israel, stating that “Placing Israeli nationals in key industries … is a technique utilized with great success.” The memo cited illegal transfer of proprietary information from an Illinois optics firm in 1986, after the Pollard arrest, as well as the theft of test equipment for a radar system in the mid-1980s. A storm of outrage from the Anti-Defamation League led to the Pentagon’s withdrawal of the memo, an apology that predictably blamed the language on “a low-ranking individual,” and a promise that no similar warning would be written again.

But the issue of Israeli spying would not go away. Soon after, the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, completed an examination of espionage directed against American defense and security industries. The report described how Israeli citizens residing in the U.S. had stolen sensitive technology to manufacture artillery gun tubes, obtained classified plans for a reconnaissance system, and passed sensitive aerospace designs to unauthorized users. An Israeli company was caught monitoring a Department of Defense telecommunications system to obtain classified information, while other Israeli entities targeted avionics, missile telemetry, aircraft communications, software systems, and advanced materials and coatings used in missile re-entry. Independently, a Defense Department source confirmed the GAO report, citing “dozens of other spy cases within the U.S. Defense industry.” The GAO concluded that Israel “conducts the most aggressive espionage operation against the United States of any U.S. ally.”

In early 2001, several federal government agencies noticed a series of intrusive approaches by Israelis who were ostensibly selling paintings. In June, the Drug Enforcement Administration made a compilation of the activities of the so-called “art students” in a classified report, which was later leaked. The report documents 125 specific attempts by Israelis to gain entry to government offices, residences of government employees, and even Defense Department facilities between January and June 2001. The Israelis “targeted and penetrated military bases” and were observed trying to enter federal buildings from back doors and parking garages. One detained Israeli was caught wandering around the federal building in Dallas with a detailed floor plan in hand. Many of those arrested were found to have backgrounds in “military intelligence, electronic surveillance intercept, or explosive ordnance units.”

Now, there may have been an Israeli student subculture in the U.S. selling cheap reproductions. But it is also clear that the art-student mechanism was used by intelligence officers to provide cover for espionage. The students were organized in cells of eight to ten members that traveled in vans, which provide concealment for electronic equipment. Several of the students were able to afford expensive airline tickets to hop from plane to plane, two of them flying in one day from Hamburg to Miami, then to Chicago, and finally winding up in Toronto on tickets that cost $15,000 each. In Miami and Chicago, they visited two government officials to try to sell their art. Another student had in his possession deposit slips for $180,000. Six students used cellphones provided by a former Israeli vice consul. Many claimed to be registered at either the University of Jerusalem or the Bezalel Academy of Arts in Jerusalem, but not a single name could be connected to the student body list of Bezalel, and there is no University of Jerusalem.

It is plausible that the art students who were actually intelligence officers might have been seeking entry to DEA facilities to gain access to confidential databases. If the broader Israeli espionage effort was focused on Arabs in the United States, such information would be invaluable. The DEA report concluded cautiously that the Israelis “might well be engaged in organized intelligence gathering.” Of the 140 art students arrested, most were deported for immigration violations. Some were just let go.

And then there are the movers. Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, New Jersey was largely staffed by Israelis, many of whom had recently been discharged from the Israeli Defense Forces. As has been widely reported, three movers were photographed celebrating in Liberty State Park against the backdrop of the first collapsing World Trade Center tower. The celebration came 16 minutes after the first plane struck, when no one knew that there had been a terrorist attack and the episode was assumed to be a horrible accident. The owner of the moving company, Dominik Suter, was questioned once by the FBI before fleeing to Israel. He has since refused to answer questions.

Whether the movers and the art students had jointly pieced together enough information to provide a preview of 9/11 remains hidden in intelligence files in Tel Aviv, but the proximity of both groups to 15 of the hijackers in Hollywood, Florida and to five others in northern New Jersey is suggestive.

Speculation about 9/11 aside, it is certain that Urban Moving was involved in an intelligence-collection operation against Arabs living in the United States, possibly involving electronic surveillance of phone calls and other communications. When they were arrested, the five Israelis working for Urban Moving had multiple passports and nearly $5,000 in cash. They were held for 71 days, failed a number of polygraph exams, and were finally allowed to return to Israel after Tel Aviv admitted that they were Mossad and apologized.

Between 55 and 95 other Israelis were also arrested in the weeks following 9/11, and a number were reported to be active-duty military personnel. The FBI came under intense pressure from several congressmen and various pro-Israel groups to release the detainees. The order to free them came from Judge Michael Mukasey, now the U.S. attorney general. An FBI investigator noted, “Leads were not fully investigated” due to pressure from “higher echelons.” According to one source, the White House may have made the final decision to terminate the inquiry. Though the investigation could have gone much farther, the FBI identified two of the Weehawken movers as Israeli intelligence officers and confirmed that Urban Moving was a front for Mossad to “spy on local Arabs.” One CIA officer involved in the investigation concluded, “The Israelis likely had a huge spy operation.”

In May 2004, there were two incidents involving Israelis in moving vans in proximity to U.S. nuclear facilities. One occurred in Tennessee near the Nuclear Fuel Services plant, which reprocesses nuclear waste from hospitals. The van was pursued by the local sheriff for three miles after refusing to pull over. The two fleeing Israelis, who threw a bottle containing an accelerant, had in their possession Israeli military ID’s and false U.S. documents. In the second incident, two movers in a van tried to enter the Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base in Georgia, which is home to eight Trident nuclear submarines, but were arrested when dogs detected drugs inside their vehicle. The men had military ID’s and false documents. There was no follow-up by the FBI even though both incidents were reported to federal authorities.

There have also been reports of intensive targeting of U.S. government facilities overseas. In late 2001, State Department security noted a series of incidents at diplomatic missions and military bases, all involving Israelis. It described many of the incidents as “bizarre.” In one instance, French police arrested several Israelis at 2 a.m. after they were observed taking numerous photos of the U.S. embassy in Paris. As it was dark, their behavior was unusual to say the least—or perhaps not since it was revealed that the Israelis were using infrared film to detect communications equipment in the embassy.

In August 2004, the media discovered an FBI investigation, begun in 1999, involving Pentagon intelligence analyst Larry Franklin. He had openly met Israeli Embassy intelligence officer Naor Gilon as well as two AIPAC officials, director Steve Rosen and chief analyst Keith Weissman. He pleaded guilty in October 2005 to revealing classified information and is now serving a 12-year prison sentence. Rosen and Weissman are currently on trial. If the prosecution is correct, Franklin passed classified information relating to Iran to both AIPAC employees, who in turn provided the information to the Israeli Embassy. The defense has argued that such exchanges are routine in Washington, particularly between close allies such as Israel and the U.S., but that is a dubious reading of events. Passing classified information and documents is not the same as casual political conversation over a cup of coffee. If Israel had stopped spying on the United States, Gilon should have refused to receive the information provided by Franklin. He might even have gone through official channels to report Franklin’s activity. He did neither. Nor did Rosen and Weissman object when they received information that they knew to be classified. Instead, they passed it on to the Israelis.

In June 2006, it was revealed that the Pentagon had begun to deny security clearances to American Jews who had family in Israel. Israelis seeking security approval to work for American defense contractors were also finding it increasingly difficult to obtain clearances. A Pentagon administrative judge overruled an appeal by one of the Israelis, stating, “The Israeli government is actively engaged in military and industrial espionage in the United States. An Israeli citizen working in the US who has access to proprietary information is likely to be a target of such espionage.”

Israel conducts much of its high-tech spying through its corporate presence in the United States. It is heavily embedded in the telecommunications industry, which permits access to the exchange of information. The Whitewater investigation revealed that President Bill Clinton warned Monica Lewinsky that their phone-sex conversations might have been recorded by a foreign government. That foreign government would have been Israel, where government and business work hand-in-hand in the high-tech sector, and many former government officials and military officers hold senior management positions. The corporations, in return, receive large contracts with the Israeli government and the Israel Defense Forces.

Two Israeli companies in particular—Amdocs and Comverse Infosys, both of which are headquartered in Israel—do significant business in the United States. Amdocs, which has contracts with the 25 largest telephone companies in the U.S. that together handle 90 percent of all calls made, logs all calls that go out and come in on the system. It does not record the conversations themselves, but the records provide patterns, referred to as “traffic analysis,” that can provide intelligence leads. In 1999, the National Security Agency warned that records of calls made in the United States were winding up in Israel. Amdocs also has an apparent relationship with some of the art students who were arrested in 2001. Several were provided with bond money by an Amdocs executive.

Comverse Infosys provides wiretapping equipment to law enforcement throughout the United States and also has large contracts with the Israeli government, which reimburses up to 50 percent of the company’s research and development costs. Because equipment used to tap phones for law enforcement is integrated into the networks that phone companies operate, it cannot be detected. Phone calls are intercepted, recorded, stored, and transmitted to investigators by Comverse, which claims that it has to be “hands on” with its equipment to maintain the system. Many experts believe that it is relatively easy to create a so-called “back door” that permits the recording to be sent to a second party, unknown to the authorized law-enforcement recipient. And Comverse equipment has never been inspected by FBI or NSA experts to determine whether the information it collects can be leaked, reportedly because senior government managers block such inquiries.

According to a Fox News investigative report, which was later deleted from Fox’s website under pressure from various pro-Israel groups, DEA and FBI sources say that even to suggest that Israel might be spying using Comverse “is considered career suicide.”

A number of criminal investigations using Comverse equipment have apparently come to dead ends when the targets abruptly change their telecommunications methods, suggesting at a minimum that Comverse employees might be leaking sensitive information to Israeli organized crime.

The chickens occasionally come home to roost. In 2002, Israeli espionage might have been directed against the U.S. Congress, which has so assidiously ignored Tel Aviv’s spying. Congressman Bob Ney, currently in prison for corruption, arranged a noncompetitive bid for the Israeli telecommunications company Foxcom Wireless to install equipment to improve cellphone reception in the Capitol and House office buildings. Foxcom, based in Jerusalem, has been linked to imprisoned lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Telecommunications security experts note that equipment that can be used to enhance or improve a signal can also be used to redirect the phone conversation to another location for recording and analysis. The possibility that someone in the Israeli Embassy might be listening to congressmen’s private phone conversations is intriguing to say the least.

Some might argue that collecting intelligence is a function of government and that espionage, even between friends, will always take place. But the intensity and persistence of Israeli spying against the United States is particularly disturbing since Israel relies so heavily on American political and military support. Other allies like Britain, France, and Germany undoubtedly have spies in Washington, but there is a line that they do not cross.

Given the stakes involved, it would be reasonable for the United States to quietly offer Israel’s leaders a choice. They can continue to receive billions of dollars in aid, or they can persist in spying against their greatest benefactor. They should not be permitted to do both.

Philip Giraldi, a former CIA Officer, is a fellow at the American Conservative Defense Alliance.
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Postby American Dream » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:36 pm

http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.c ... urces.html

Wayne Madsen's Bogus Intelligence "Sources"

Alex Constantine Rant



" ... One of the over 120 Israeli 'art students' who cased federal office buildings and military bases during a year and a half before the 9/11 attacks has revealed details of her 'assignment' in the United States to a WMR source. ... "


Since when do "terrorists" dance in public while buildings burn - and give themselves away? Since drawing attention to themselves was the very idea. The 120 teenage students didn't merely "case" government agencies - they walked right up to the door of the DEA, asked questions, made a display of themselves by behaving in an ostentatiously suspicious manner.

Why is Madsen implying that the dancing, ADOLESCENT Israeli students were involved in 9/11, and not planted to draw suspicion away from domestic involvement? They were decoys, and had no role in 9/11, though they did leave suspicious trails - that go nowhere. (Self-implicating decoys have been a feature of domestic intelligence operations since the Kennedy assassination. Charles Willoughby - at the core of the Dallas murder plot - used decoys extensively to confuse anyone looking into the murder after the fact. That is why false trails lead to the USSR, Castro, Mafia, etc.)

This moonshine from Wayne Madsen is par for the course. Most reports at WMR originate with an anonymous "source" from within the intelligence underground.

One I wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole.

One of Wayne's sources WAS revealed - by me - a couple of years ago in reference to the Plame leak - Richard Armitage. Remember how an invaluable, unimpeachable "WMR source" blew a shrill whistle, supposedly, on "pending indictments" of Rove and Cheney ... for an entire year ... that never materialized?

Madsen didn't reveal his source then, held it close to his extra-large vest - it was eventually reported by the "mainstream" press that Armitage, WMR's State Department "source," was himself responsible for leaking Plame's CIA status. Killer Pimp Armitage - never named by Madsen - was a perfectly "reliable" source, Wayne opined time and again, up to the very day Fitzgerald issued his indicment of Libby (and not the parties named by Madsen month after month with unshakable conviction).

Isn't Madsen impressive with his "reliable" and important-sounding "sources?"

I know of another of Wayne's wonderful sources in the CIA - this one claims the Saudis were behind 9/11. That "source" also feeds a witch's brew of real information and nonsense to Joe Trento, whose books are cooked, worthless, and I've been writing on the CIA for 20 years. This particular source works closely with GERALD POSNER, the most obvious CIA shill in the world, but Madsen has no trouble with that.

If the Israeli art students were mass-murdering "terrorists," why is one of them confessing to Wayne Madsen? Why draw so much attention to themselves? Why isn't she in hiding? Doesn't she fear or her life, now that she has pointed the finger at the "art student" role in 9/11 - dancing in the streets, and so on.

Madsen, the former NSA operative, is schizophrenic about it - he will swing in any direction that his "credible" sources lead him. Saudis, Israelis - so long as it isn't SAIC and the DoD, CIA, NSA, etc., where blame for 9/11 really lies.

And for this tripe, he runs a pay site. Good grief ...

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Postby unaltered » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:13 pm

Yeah, who is gonna believe there are actually Israelis without work visas working in NEW YORK illegally unless they are spys? Everyone knows that kinda low class work is reserved for illegal immigrants. Jew aren't gonna hire other Jews unless they are spies and forgo all that CHEAP labor, right?
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:54 pm

Several of the students were able to afford expensive airline tickets to hop from plane to plane, two of them flying in one day from Hamburg to Miami, then to Chicago, and finally winding up in Toronto on tickets that cost $15,000 each. In Miami and Chicago, they visited two government officials to try to sell their art. Another student had in his possession deposit slips for $180,000. Six students used cellphones provided by a former Israeli vice consul. Many claimed to be registered at either the University of Jerusalem or the Bezalel Academy of Arts in Jerusalem, but not a single name could be connected to the student body list of Bezalel, and there is no University of Jerusalem.


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Postby unaltered » Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:07 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:
Several of the students were able to afford expensive airline tickets to hop from plane to plane, two of them flying in one day from Hamburg to Miami, then to Chicago, and finally winding up in Toronto on tickets that cost $15,000 each. In Miami and Chicago, they visited two government officials to try to sell their art. Another student had in his possession deposit slips for $180,000. Six students used cellphones provided by a former Israeli vice consul. Many claimed to be registered at either the University of Jerusalem or the Bezalel Academy of Arts in Jerusalem, but not a single name could be connected to the student body list of Bezalel, and there is no University of Jerusalem.


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Usually a trustworthy second source is required; especially when dealing with a fucking EX -CIA agent.
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Postby timetunneler » Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:07 am

Madsen is a shill. Everything that comes out of his mouth is unsourced doubletalk. He's just out there muddying the waters like all of the rest of these fucks. You ever notice how all of these 9/11 personalities go on and on for years without producing anything? I'm beginning to understand they don't intend to produce any type of revelation. they are simply there as gatekeepers and graymailers of the major world power blocks at each others throats:

A. MKUSA Racist Fasicsts (USA, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand)
B. Euro Facists (Germany, Belgium, France, Italy, Netherlands, Switzerland)
B. Zionist Racist Fasicsts (Israel, U.S. Neocons)
C. Muslim Racist Fascists (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iran)

Notice how we keep getting little revelations here and there about something the Israelis did? Then something the US did? Or something Germany did?

But never any goddamn full blown revelation and punishent of any of the guilty?

9/11 is this: mass human sacrifice and resource theft by elites all greymailing and blackmailing each other not to reveal the nature of their crime... the murder victim they are castling lots over.

Considering that the prime benefactors of 9/11 seem to have been American oilmen, Military Contractors, Turkey, Saudi Elites, the state of Israel and a motley assortment of fanatical CIA run Exiles who will do anything to see their respective homelands retaken(Cuban, Iranian, and Iraqi exiles)... people should start looking at these groups a bit closer.

There is a Peter Dale Scott article today hat made me start thinking about all of this again:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... a&aid=9289

that goes into detail about deep state provocateuring for deep state events like 9/11 that go as far back as the Korean war or further.

PDS says the build up to these deep state major event like 9/11 goes like :

1. deep state provocations and intrigues
2. the deception of Congress by high level officials
3. reinforced by deceptive manipulation of intelligence reports

Gee that is what the 9/11 "screwup" was... the Iraq war "screwup." All of these "screwups." Shit intelligence pimped by our government to get us into a jam... and then a bunch of old fat bald guys telling us "We couldn't have foreseen this" ... or "oh that silly intelligence we had wasn't good enough."

They've been doing this for YEARS.

So look at 9/11 for what it is. INTENTIONAL... with planning that goes way back. P.D.S. say these things are NOT intentional... I disagree... mainly because of a) the odd astronomical symbolism around 9/11 and B) the intelligence agencies of the world were watching the hijackers so they must have known what they were up to

But this is the leadup to the current world cluster fuck we find ourselves in today:

* JFK/MLK/RFK assasinations. Americans look the other way

* Watergate. Americans look the other way

* Cheney/Rumsfeld COG planning... after getting bitchslapped by watergate reforms

* mid 1990s FBI Terror Provocateur Testing (Oklahoma City, World Trade Center 93) or alternatively FBI penetration and then limp wristed choice to do absolutely nothing about it

* PNAC - formed 1997, with the goal of shoving America's collective dick in the face of the rest of the world whether they like it or not

* U.S. Penetration and Usage of Al-Qaeda elements

* PNAC - Rebuilding America's Defense. Need for New Pearl Harbor 2000

* Mohammad Atta brought to Germany by German couple

* 2000 - U.S. Government under Bush stocks up on plenty of Jews and Black folk to do dirty deeds and take the heat for crimes they plan to commit over the coming years

* Atta's monitoring by Mossad Art Students, Able Danger, Germans

* Atta sets up camp right in the middle of CIA and Bush country Florida

* Entire U.S. government stands down while the hijackers fly planes into U.S. targets

* Successful 9/11 attacks by a collection of afghan drug runner assets against the greatest power on earth goes down almost without a hitch

When the Pentagon was hit, U.S. higher ups who KNEW it was coming WARN NO ONE... well you say maybe they had no idea planes might be used as weapons on the Pentagon... WRONG....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_MASCAL

so while flight 77 is 50 miles out, 30 miles out, 10 miles out.. THEY WARN NO ONE.... then 77 hits the 77 foot tall magical pentagram which had its ground broken on 9/11/1941... hits it right in the side that had been REINFORCED. Well how the fuck did they know it would hit that side? Another lucky guess i suppose. Speaking of sides... the Pentagon being a building with five 921 ft sides the total length of which is almost exactly the lunar number of 13 * 354 (4605 ft). And the cubic contents of this buildings being 77,015,000 cu ft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon

The Black Magicians WARN NO ONE and about 189 people die at the Pentagon.
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/vict ... illed.html

Meanwhile in New York another plane is hitting one of two buildings that look just like the number 11 in the skyline. The north tower is hit by Flight 11 and the south tower is hit by 175.

The towers go down, people go apeshit and a world war against the "Freedom Hatin' Moslems" begins in earnest while the fascists in the USA finally get to start playing with some of their Fascist Continuity of Government toys.

11 is the number of days of lunar/solar separation between the sun and the moon in one year. Perfect symbolism between two religions historically symbolized as one being solar (christian) and the other lunar (muslim).

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And the Perfect Magical Ritual to divide the USA and the world right down the middle and kick of a new millenium of war, cullings, extreme weather, disease, food poisonings, food, oil and other resource shortages, general all around HOLY TERROR from the masters who have chosen that now is as good a time as any to release the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

If people were awake. This wouldn't be happening... we'd be on Mars terraforming it, or mining new energy sources from other planets. We could be doing a MILLION THINGS other than being crushed to death on this planet by fascists, racists and religious idiots.

Well I think I hear black helicopters over my house... oh well. Having said all of that shit above. I still remain optimistic. Fuck. Why not?

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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:30 am

Timetunneler, youve been reading too many of my posts:)

I just want to say...

the number one comedy in America right now, is a comedy about the Mossad.

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Btw, is it me or do young Israelis have a monopoly on working at American mall kiosks? :)
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Postby timetunneler » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:10 pm

8bitagent wrote:Timetunneler, youve been reading too many of my posts:)

I just want to say...

the number one comedy in America right now, is a comedy about the Mossad.

Btw, is it me or do young Israelis have a monopoly on working at American mall kiosks? :)


Alot of what you've been saying on RI has rubbed off on me. I probably agree with about 95% of what you write. I think where I differ is that I don't see all of this as being the work of a single unified elite off somewhere working magic.

To me, 9/11 is a conspiracy involving a lot of regional interests all working together in lock step by way of graymail/blackmail and mutual interests. So Neocons, Iran/Contra players, Saudis, Zionists, south Floridian ex-agents, Muslim brotherhood, etc. are not all meeting somewhere in a private bunker or all part of the same secret group, they are held together by blackmail for past crimes they committed together and certain fascist interests that they wish to achieve.

I also differ a bit from you because i tend to believe that the primary culprits behind 9/11 are within U.S. Defense and Intelligence... Masons? Rosicrucians? who have a familiarity with the occult and Judeo-Christian esoteric knowledge. If I am going to add another layer of control over U.S. Defense/Intel then I would look at Brussels Belgium which is home to NATO and the European Union... based on certain facts over the years. I would also look at Zionist involvement.. but the general feeling i get these days is that the Zionists were simply brought into the 9/11 equation as a firewall to keep people from looking too close at 9/11 unless they wish to be labeled as antisemitic. That's just a gut feeling i have about their involvement. The Zionists/Mossad had no control over things like USAF stand downs, FBI protection of the hijackers, etc.

I had made the High Weirdness thread based on Geographical areas because to me obviously there is something going on in Texas, Florida and Oklahoma. It seems just about every day some weird story pops up from one of those states. Cultists going whacko, kids getting shot, government buildings going up in flames, terrorists training in those states, etc. I'm not saying its all some unified conspiracy... just saying there is some shit bubbling under the surface in those states.. there is an underground network as I see it, working together to create chaos in the U.S.A and push the USA into full blown fascism. I assume the reason why it remains secret is because many of the members have done certain things that have compromised them to be blackmailed and kept in line.

If you want to see how that might work, read this article on "The Family"
http://www.alternet.org/rights/87665/?page=4

I find these quotes interesting:

Jeff Sharlet: David Coe used to be the heir apparent in the Family. He's still involved in ministry to congressmen, and at the time he was also meeting with Hillary. He'd come around to talk to the young guys at Ivanwald to talk about his vision of Biblical leadership. One day he says to brother Beau: "Suppose I heard you'd raped three little girls, what would I think of you?" Beau, being a human being, says, "That I'm pretty bad?" But David Coe says: "No, no, I wouldn't. Because you're chosen … like King David."

"Lindsay Beyerstein: Explicit sexual confession in small groups is a big deal in the Family, right?

Jeff Sharlet: Yes. I started paying attention when I visited Westmont College, a major recruiting base for the Family. Some of the professors are very concerned about the focus on small group sex confessions: Parents are spending $80,000 to send their kids to college, and they go off to become a driver for Doug Coe. Then they tell their parents that they sat in a circle and talked about masturbation. Of course, they don't do that sort of thing at the weekly prayer meeting in the Senate."

Sam Brownback told me, there are two functions of sexual confession: You confess, and they help you. You say, "My girlfriend and I almost held hands the other day." And they say "Don't do it, brother!" It's also a way of creating a bond in the group: If I have had gay thoughts and I tell the group, then they have something on me. And if you say you've cheated on your wife, they have something on you.

Lindsay Beyerstein: Kind of a mutually assured destruction?

Jeff Sharlet: Yeah.

I also find it very interesting that neither Jeff Sharlet or Lindysay Beyerstein(jewish?) asked the obvious question: for what purpose is this group of fascists digging up blackmail information on it's members?

Probably the same reason a Bonesman does it while sitting in a coffin. To open yourself up to blackmail to keep you loyal to the clan while it goes about its dirty business of rape and murder.
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:37 pm

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Alot of what you've been saying on RI has rubbed off on me. I probably agree with about 95% of what you write. I think where I differ is that I don't see all of this as being the work of a single unified elite off somewhere working magic.

To me, 9/11 is a conspiracy involving a lot of regional interests all working together in lock step by way of graymail/blackmail and mutual interests. So Neocons, Iran/Contra players, Saudis, Zionists, south Floridian intelligence agents, Muslim brotherhood, etc. are not all meeting somewhere in private bunker or all part of the same secret group, they are held together by blackmail for past crimes they committed together and certain fascist interests that they wish to achieve.

I also tend to believe that the primary culprits behind 9/11 are within U.S. Defense and Intelligence who have a familiarity with the occult and Judeo-Christian esoteric knowledge. If I am going to add another layer of control over U.S. Defense/Intel then I would look at Brussels Belgium which is home to NATO and the European Union. I say that because NATO is the mastermind behind Gladio.

I had made the High Weirdness thread based on Geographical areas... obviously there is something going on in Texas, Florida and Oklahoma. It seems just about every day some weird story pops up from one of those states. Cultists going whacko, kids getting shot, government buildings going up in flames, terrorists training in those states, etc. I'm not saying its all some unified conspiracy... just saying there is some shit bubbling under the surface in those states.. what it is essentially, is a war between the Federal Government and militias, cultists, and Neo-nazis.., and some Muslim and Euro agitators.


Well I am highly flattered:)

Im not sure it's a "war" between those groups. From what I can see, "neo Nazis", Muslim extremists, etc are often times pawns or foils of government plots. Now while Oklahoma City bombing and World Trade 1993 bombing have pretty clear origins as FBI sting operations...

9/11 as you said, has a lot of far reaching global murkyness. I mean when you get into the world of Bosnian routes, drug smuggling, black market, corporate shells, elements of governments etc...it's very murky.

The thing I've realized is that it's not so much a group of men in cloaks and gowns in some backroom smoking a cigar...some things have provable layers that have converging nexus points. Like how the CIA, Saudi intelligence, Israel Pakistani ISI, and Mossad were all working behind the scenes to create the Mujahadeen. Or, how Gladio Strategy of Tension was the CIA and NATO working with a Masonic order.

But some events...while they have many players(like 9/11), this does not mean at all the layers knew of the other layers or were working in tandem.

I can't say if Mossad was following/living next to the hijackers, and driving around on 9/11 pretending to be terrorists because they were "in" on 9/11, or because they got wind of *something* and wanted to have their own interests served.

I can't say "The US government" was in on 9/11, but I know higher ups in DC made sure the FBI couldnt stop hijackers, unlawful terrorist VISAs, Wahhabist terror charities ran by Saudi Arabia, etc.

And I can't say that "Saudi Arabia and Pakistan were in on 9/11", but it's clear elements within their government clearly were.

The 5% you don't necessarily agree with, the esoteric aspect, just happens to be the coincidental allegories that these sort of events seem heavily steeped in...maybe its all part of the cosmic giggle and synchronicity.
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Postby unaltered » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:17 pm

I can't say if Mossad was following/living next to the hijackers, and driving around on 9/11 pretending to be terrorists because they were "in" on 9/11, or because they got wind of *something* and wanted to have their own interests served.


From 4220 Sheridan St in Hollywood, Florida to 3389 Sheridan St, is HARDLY living next to the hijackers yet you and others continue to state it. This is how shoddy ALL the purported Mossad connection is once it is analysed.

My favorite is how 5 of the dancing Israelis were former IDF....wooooo. Real suspicious considering almost ALL Israeli young men serve in the IDF.
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Postby Eldritch » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:25 pm

I wonder what Victor Ostrovsky might have to say on these questions. Or if what he might say would be valuable at all.
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Postby unaltered » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:48 pm

Eldritch wrote:I wonder what Victor Ostrovsky might have to say on these questions. Or if what he might say would be valuable at all.


Would that be Major, Lt. Commander or Colonel Victor Ostrovsky? He seems to have trouble remembering just which one to use.
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:56 pm

unaltered wrote:
I can't say if Mossad was following/living next to the hijackers, and driving around on 9/11 pretending to be terrorists because they were "in" on 9/11, or because they got wind of *something* and wanted to have their own interests served.


From 4220 Sheridan St in Hollywood, Florida to 3389 Sheridan St, is HARDLY living next to the hijackers yet you and others continue to state it. This is how shoddy ALL the purported Mossad connection is once it is analysed.

My favorite is how 5 of the dancing Israelis were former IDF....wooooo. Real suspicious considering almost ALL Israeli young men serve in the IDF.


You're right, it was completely unreasonable for anyone to wonder what was up with the George Washington Bridge/Dancing Israeli/White van Mossad brigade roaming around NYC/NJ on 9/11...or Israeli spies living on the same street as the hijackers in Florida.

Hell, all those articles probably came from Stormfront for all we know! :)
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Postby unaltered » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:14 am

8bitagent wrote:
unaltered wrote:
I can't say if Mossad was following/living next to the hijackers, and driving around on 9/11 pretending to be terrorists because they were "in" on 9/11, or because they got wind of *something* and wanted to have their own interests served.


From 4220 Sheridan St in Hollywood, Florida to 3389 Sheridan St, is HARDLY living next to the hijackers yet you and others continue to state it. This is how shoddy ALL the purported Mossad connection is once it is analysed.

My favorite is how 5 of the dancing Israelis were former IDF....wooooo. Real suspicious considering almost ALL Israeli young men serve in the IDF.


You're right, it was completely unreasonable for anyone to wonder what was up with the George Washington Bridge/Dancing Israeli/White van Mossad brigade roaming around NYC/NJ on 9/11...or Israeli spies living on the same street as the hijackers in Florida.

Hell, all those articles probably came from Stormfront for all we know! :)


Not unreasonable to wonder but afer looking at the final outcome of all the stories and tracing back to original sources, one should come to the conclusion that they have been soundly had if they end up parroting LaRouche and his lads and an endless circle of fascists and their far left allies.

For one thing, you'd think no Israelis LIVED in New York City the way some go on about it. Interestingly, while Stormfront plied some of the the stories, none trace back to it.

Mossad brigade? Not a shred of reliable proof of this myth. I can understand how seductive the myth is to anti-zionists, antisemites and lazy conspiracy afficiendos but myth it is until some hard evidence comes up. Of course the tautology always comes up doesn't it that the government or the LOBBY buried the proof?
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Postby compared2what? » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:20 am

unaltered wrote:Usually a trustworthy second source is required; especially when dealing with a fucking EX -CIA agent.


Can't be said too often. But I've got to say, though I'm not always happy that Giraldi's info is good -- ie, I don't always want to believe -- as far as the eye can see, which ain't far, it usually is. I assume that he has an agenda. Of course. And I don't take him at face value. But I'm less inclined to think he's just making shit up than I am with most of the ex-whatevers in the field.
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