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8bitagent wrote:Noone really seems to give a crap, or stop it.
brekin wrote:This is something I've considered to.
Arthur Koestler who tried to inform the public about Nazi atrocities during WWII found that not only were people not receptive to what was happening, they found him disagreeable for doing so. Most times he felt like someone hiding in the bushes yelling at people who were walking along the street.
If I remember correctly he thought it had to do with humans alternating their experience between the trivial plane and the tragic plane. The majority of time we exist on the trivial plane (what do I want to eat tonight, etc.) and greater questions (what is my place here on earth, etc) are relegated to the tragic plane. It takes a lot of energy and willingness to be uncomfortable to choose to exist on the tragic plane and most people given the choice would opt for the trivial plane.
I think many people raised in an entertainment culture find it easy to switch to the trivial plane when confronted with the tragic. In fact I imagine most onlookers in the above scenarios would state: "It was horrible, nobody knew what to do, it was just like in some movie."
nathan28 wrote:8bitagent wrote:Noone really seems to give a crap, or stop it.
No one cares because no one cares.
Animals kill each other all the time. Sometimes our ability for forethought gets hijacked by our bloody heritage and results in a mess worse than anyone should imagine. Our progress might increase our ability for morality and cooperation, but it also means that when atavism resurges it will be utterly satanic. That's little consolation.
Sitting here, I wonder why I even bother to learn, since I simply cannot find much way to do anything, besides maybe send some money to a food bank and write a letter to my representatives.
Most people live in a state of willed ignorance. They can't face darkness because they're too weak, and because they know, intuitively, that it is a magnetic force, a vortex, that can too easily draw even the stable and the sane into a pit of despair. You can't hold their own accurate assessment of the situation against them. They don't know how to stop it. I don't know how to stop it. Do you know how to stop it?
A man parked his truck on a country road outside Turlock on Saturday night, removed a baby boy from a car seat and then beat the child to death in the street, fighting off passers-by who tried to stop him, until he was gunned down by a police officer whose helicopter landed in a nearby pasture, police said Sunday.
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The suspect "had tunnel vision," said Stanislaus County sheriff's Deputy Royjindar Singh, a department spokesman. "As people tried to intervene, to tackle him, he just went back to what he was doing. Anything and everything he could do to the baby, that's what he was doing."
brekin wrote:Arthur Koestler... thought it had to do with humans alternating their experience between the trivial plane and the tragic plane. The majority of time we exist on the trivial plane (what do I want to eat tonight, etc.) and greater questions (what is my place here on earth, etc) are relegated to the tragic plane. It takes a lot of energy and willingness to be uncomfortable to choose to exist on the tragic plane and most people given the choice would opt for the trivial plane.
On a deeper level, how did leaders get thousands of men to murder over 800,000 men women and children in Rwanda...not by guns, or bombs or missiles...but by blunt objects and machettes? That kind of disconnect is uncomprehendable.
I often say things seem the same in America as they did in 1999, fashion-music-culture, etc wise.
But as we've been socially conditioned to live only for convenience...living in a bubble of ipods, bluetooths, myspace, reality tv, sports and star bucks; tuning out the world...events like 9/11 of course serve as the massive hypno-ray to push even the most ANTI war liberal activist into a blood thirsty war mongerer.
Endomorph wrote:If you think nobody did anything, you apparently didn't read your own link.A man parked his truck on a country road outside Turlock on Saturday night, removed a baby boy from a car seat and then beat the child to death in the street, fighting off passers-by who tried to stop him, until he was gunned down by a police officer whose helicopter landed in a nearby pasture, police said Sunday.
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The suspect "had tunnel vision," said Stanislaus County sheriff's Deputy Royjindar Singh, a department spokesman. "As people tried to intervene, to tackle him, he just went back to what he was doing. Anything and everything he could do to the baby, that's what he was doing."
nathan28 wrote:
But do you see how this connects to my initial point? Even as our ability to wring more life from life improves, it in no way solves the problem of evil. It makes it that much easier to checking into the ever-richer quotidian consensus-reality, which gets more fantastic and engrossing every minute. Why live on some tragic plane of heroic virtue? Why connect to the Eternal Pagan Psychodrama when you can connect to your grandmother in real-time?
anothershamus wrote:When it's a personal event, like the baby thing it's tragic. When it's a national event like the Iraqi War, it's patriotic.
brekin wrote:
Arthur Koestler... thought it had to do with humans alternating their experience between the trivial plane and the tragic plane. The majority of time we exist on the trivial plane (what do I want to eat tonight, etc.) and greater questions (what is my place here on earth, etc) are relegated to the tragic plane. It takes a lot of energy and willingness to be uncomfortable to choose to exist on the tragic plane and most people given the choice would opt for the trivial plane.
Which of Koestler's works mentions this thesis? And the question is, why exist on a "tragic plane" at all? It really at times does seem to boil down to a matter of individual proclivities.
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Vocabulary term: "Moral disengagement."
Moral disingagement is the neutralizing or apathification of the NORMAL human social instincts to active compassion and cooperative nurturance.
Psyops media is used to distract, numb, and desensitize the average American to be morally disengaged from suffering resulting from national policies-poverty, war, etc.
Military training includes rechanneling moral engagement to only military allies and causing
moral DISengagement from state-sanctioned targets-Iraqis, Afghans, the French, the poor, liberals, etc.
The same is done with civilian populations.
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