Family cleared in JonBenet Ramsey’s death

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Postby Cordelia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:49 pm

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January 11, 2019 4:58PM ET

Pedophile Confesses to Killing JonBenet Ramsey in Letters to Friend

In a series of letters, former suspect Gary Oliva reportedly told his friend that her death was “an accident,” but he saw it happen


A longtime suspect in the 1996 murder of JonBenét Ramsey in Boulder, Colorado, has allegedly confessed to “accidentally” killing the six-year-old in a series of letters sent to a former high school classmate, according to the Daily Mail. Gary Oliva, 54, is a convicted pedophile currently serving a 10-year sentence in Colorado for possession of child pornography, but is up for parole in 2020.

“I never loved anyone like I did JonBenét and yet I let her slip and her head bashed in half and I watched her die,” Oliva wrote in a letter to his former classmate, Michael Vail. “It was an accident. Please believe me. She was not like the other kids.”

In another letter to Vail, Oliva wrote, “JonBenét completely changed me and removed all evil from me. Just one look at her beautiful face, her glowing beautiful skin, and her divine God-body, I realized I was wrong to kill other kids. Yet by accident she died and it was my fault.”

Vail has suspected his old high school buddy killed JonBenét for the last 22 years, ever since he received a disturbing phone call from Oliva shortly after the murder and before the case made national headlines.

“My suspicions began when Gary called me late at night on December 26, 1996,” Vail, who lives in Ventura, California, told the Daily Mail. “He was sobbing and said, ‘I hurt a little girl.’ … I tried to get more information out of him. The only other thing he told me was that he was in the Boulder, Colorado area. On December 27 I read on the front page of my local newspaper ‘Girl, 6, slain in Boulder, Colorado’. … I immediately called the Boulder Police Department and told them what I knew about Gary and what he had told me just days earlier. They didn’t get back to me. Three months later I called the police again to find out what was going on in its investigation of Gary, but instead I was sent to a police answering machine set up for tips on the JonBenét case. I left a message on the recorded line and again I never heard back from investigators.”

Back in 1996, Oliva was a registered sex offender whose listed address was not far from the Ramsey home, and he reportedly attended a candlelight vigil shortly after JonBenét’s murder. But despite receiving several tips from Vail, Boulder Police didn’t consider Oliva a suspect until 2000, when he was arrested on unrelated charges and police found a photo of JonBenét, a poem he’d written titled ‘Ode to JonBenét’, and a stun gun among his possessions. Several investigators, including Lou Smit, a retired homicide detective hired by the Boulder District Attorney, had theorized that a stun gun may have been used to subdue JonBenét the night of the murder.

Boulder Police investigators lost interest in Oliva when new DNA testing methods failed to match his DNA to the crime scene evidence, but the department has since acknowledged that the crime scene was mishandled. In 2002, Smit (who has since passed away) told 48 Hours that he still considered Oliva a suspect. So did Vail, who told the Daily Mail that Boulder police have placed “too much emphasis on DNA matches” when it’s well known that “the crime scene and evidence in the case was compromised.” Haunted by Oliva’s tearful phone call, Vail has maintained contact with him for years in hopes of eliciting a confession.

“I’ve continued this for decades now, even with him being in prison,” Vail said. “But he has only just admitted to killing her. He believes he will go to hell if he doesn’t admit to it. I have now sent these letters to Boulder police in the hope it will get Gary to provide them with firm proof and to name who else may have been involved in JonBenét’s death. … Now they have this, a written confession, the police need to charge him with her murder.”

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Re: Family cleared in JonBenet Ramsey’s death

Postby Marionumber1 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:58 pm

Thanks for posting this story. I personally am not buying Gary Oliva's confession. Not only is there a good amount of evidence of the Ramsey family's complicity -- like Patsy most likely having written the ransom note and JonBenet being found in a very obscure area of the house -- as I explained on the previous page, it is very likely that the Ramseys were involving their daughter in a Boulder pedophile ring. That takes us into dark but familiar territory, and in pedophile ring cases like those, it's not uncommon to have fall guys who are used to cover up the case. In fact, we already had the bizarre saga of John Mark Karr in 2006...
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Re: Family cleared in JonBenet Ramsey’s death

Postby Marionumber1 » Thu May 23, 2019 6:41 pm

I'm not big into self-promotion, but I wanted to share my recent interview on the Opperman Report about the death of JonBenet. A lot of people who study this case are caught in the dichotomy of "the Ramseys did it and are solely responsible" or "an intruder did it and the Ramseys are innocent", whereas I tried to articulate a middle-ground that I believe best fits the evidence: the Ramsey parents allowed their daughter to be sexually exploited by their elite friends, something that resulted in her death which they then had to cover up. The signs of parental complicity, the medical evidence of sexual abuse, and the grand jury indictments combine to reveal an overall picture of what happened to JonBenet.

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Re: Family cleared in JonBenet Ramsey’s death

Postby Elvis » Fri May 24, 2019 2:05 am

Good deal, will listen over the next couple of days. (I listen to podcasts, lectures, etc. piecemeal while dishwashing etc.)
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Re: Family cleared in JonBenet Ramsey’s death

Postby Marionumber1 » Sun May 26, 2019 1:30 am

Thank you, Elvis. Part 2 of my interview has just been uploaded as well:

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Postby RocketMan » Sun May 26, 2019 3:01 pm

Marionumber1, thank you for your articulate and informative contributions. Good stuff, listened to both! :thumbsup :thumbsup

I've had Singular's book on the Ramsey affair on Kindle for ages, need to read it!
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Re: Family cleared in JonBenet Ramsey’s death

Postby Marionumber1 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:57 am

I've just received some new documents on the JonBenet case, specifically a dossier about the possible involvement of a Houston-area pedophile named Paul Schultz. Here are the first 4 pages, hopefully more to follow:

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This was first covered back in 2000 by Alex Constantine: http://jwarchive.tripod.com/05272000JW-CaseConnectionsToPorn5292.txt
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Re: Family cleared in JonBenet Ramsey’s death

Postby cptmarginal » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:29 am

That has set me off on a search for background and contextual information about White Eagle Lodge and Perfection Ranch, both in Montgomery, TX.

An unrelated but fascinating bit about that tiny town:

https://cryptome.org/eyeball/cal-bunker/cal-bunker.htm

MONTGOMERY, Texas -- The 40,000-square-foot, two-story bunker here was the creation of Ling-Chieh "Louis" Kung, the nephew of Taiwan's influential Madame Chiang Kai-shek. The fortune he earned during the booming 1970s from his now-defunct Houston oil company, Westland Oil Development Corp., allowed him to indulge his fears that Red China or the Soviet Union would launch a nuclear attack on the U.S.Mr. Kung, who died in 1996 at about the age of 75, bought hundreds of acres of wooded cow pasture on the edge of this small town and secretly built an underground fortress to house at least 700 people, including his employees and their families, for a two-month emergency.

Now, Continental Airlines, for reasons of its own, has taken over part of the extravagant Cold War folly, with plans to use it as a crisis-operations center.

The destruction and panic wrought along the Gulf Coast by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita last year prompted many companies to seek new places to house emergency operations. Continental had an emergency-operations center near Houston's George Bush Intercontinental Airport and it has offices downtown. But concerned about gridlock, floods and possible electrical outages in a hurricane, the company decided it needed a safer backup facility to operate its world-wide flights if it should ever have to evacuate its Houston headquarters. The airline, along with more than 20 other companies, found its solution buried deep inside a hill in this small community northwest of Houston.

In May, John Stelly, Continental's managing director of technology, was given 45 days to convert the rented shelter space for emergency offices and data storage. After descending more than 50 feet in an elevator to survey the project, he found himself in a subterranean ghost town of shadowy halls, mysterious rooms and dust-covered equipment.

The executive says he stared in wonder at a room filled with 115 triple-decker bunks, each with an individual reading light. Later, as he went to work there, he sometimes imagined what it would be like to be trapped in this place for months with hundreds of other people. "It gives you a weird, eerie feeling," he said.

The Cold War ended in 1989. Over the years, many public and private bunkers in the U.S. and Europe have been converted to wine cellars, nightclubs, storage facilities and even mushroom farms. A bunker secretly built in White Sulphur Springs, W. Va., to house Congress is now rented out to the public for parties and showcased in guided tours. Many other old shelters have been marketed as secure data centers or emergency headquarters for companies.

Adam Laurie, who renovates and leases ex-military bomb shelters in the United Kingdom, toured Mr. Kung's Texas bunker three years ago. Though he was impressed with the quality of construction, "the degree of paranoia of the person who built it was extreme," he said.

The bunker was as self-contained as a small city, with its own power and medical facilities, morgue, jail cells, recreation rooms and water tanks. Two pagoda-style buildings outfitted with gun ports for machine guns protected stairwell entrances to tunnels leading into the shelter. In case of an attack, the tunnels were designed to collapse, sealing off the bunker from the outside world. Two hundred feet away, an above-ground, four-story office-building with bulletproof windows housed Mr. Kung's oil-company headquarters and family residence.

From the start the project, completed in 1982, was a source of intrigue and gossip for the town of Montgomery. Residents watched as a mile-long procession of cement trucks ferried cargo to what they knew only as a giant hole in the ground. Rumors swirled for years of a secret subterranean shopping mall. "Everybody's heard about it. Everybody's curious about it. Not everybody's seen it," said Jennifer Stratton, a waitress at Phil's Roadhouse & Grill down the road from the bunker.


Now it is a continuity of business bunker:

https://www.houstonbunker.com/about/

(1982 was also when White Eagle Lodge was incorporated in America, based in Montgomery.)
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Re: Family cleared in JonBenet Ramsey’s death

Postby Marionumber1 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:32 am

Thank you, cptmarginal. A lot of these major towns in Texas tend to be spook central. I do have 6 pages from the end of the dossier going into more detail about the White Eagle group that Paul Schultz and his cult was part of:

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All of this is circa 1996 and 1997, which especially makes me wonder... The involvement of "high-level rogue intelligence agents" in the US, plus "foreign terrorist operatives, particularly from Germany and Russia", Russian mafia members, and Middle Eastern terrorists? Stockpiles of weapons, including planes, for their terrorist attacks? Planned terror attacks (including bioterrorism) on New York City? Major presence in Douglas County CO (home to Sedalia), where Delmart Vreeland was arrested on child prostitution charges in 2004? A suspected connection to the Oklahoma City bombing?

Is it just me or does this sound a lot like the web of spooks, Islamists, and mobsters documented by investigators like Daniel Hopsicker, Sander Hicks, and Jonathan Elinoff as being behind the 9/11 attacks?
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Re: Family cleared in JonBenet Ramsey’s death

Postby cptmarginal » Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:38 pm

Wow, that just blew my mind! So many things to follow up on. Just as one example: I had not heard of Pam Lychner before, and a forum search turns up almost nothing.

Not that I automatically accept all of the claims made, of course, but where in the hell did they get this information from? I'm looking for Ted Gunderson or another grifter to show up in the story, especially with the discussion of bloodlines and the Habsburg family. Very interesting placement of the major redactions in this document.

Also, some obvious parallels to Zorro Ranch here.
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Postby Marionumber1 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:55 pm

Great question, I do wonder where exactly some of this information is coming from. I have no idea who Choctaw Joe is and searches don't really turn up anything. Regardless, this does seem to be more legitimate than an unprofessional "investigation" done by the likes of Ted Gunderson; these are actual investigative reports from and statements made to a law enforcement agency (my guess is FBI or NYPD). Absolutely there are a lot of valuable leads herein to follow up on. And what I've posted isn't the entirety of the dossier either, though it probably is the most interesting part for RI members and tends to avoid the graphic detail of Nick Schultz recounting how he was abused, which still makes me sick reading it.
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Re: Family cleared in JonBenet Ramsey’s death

Postby cptmarginal » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:58 pm

I too noticed the apparent credibility of this document right away, which is part of why it is so amazing. I just mean that some of the wilder parts of the background given about this purported "White Eagle underground" make me reasonably suspicious and paranoid about all of the information given about them. From the description given it is very easy to start going down the path of researching Poland, heretical Johannites, the Knights of Malta - even P2 and American Catholic dioceses. And perhaps that is warranted, but it is a tenuous path.

Anyway, I am thinking of doing some general searches on those other ranches he named. I also need to read up on Merritt Ruddock and Colonel Kimball, starting with that Alex Constantine piece you linked to. Interesting to see that his website is the very first hit on Google for Merritt Ruddock.

The White Eagle Lodge is still fully extant as an international spiritualist organization based in TX, with "Star Centres" in countries around the world. From a look around on their website one can guess that the people who attend their retreats or meetings would be shocked that such accusations were out there. I keep an open mind and also reserve judgement. Even if the terrorism parts are a stretch that doesn't mean that they aren't cult-like or even enabling abuse. I've skirted around directly addressing what happened to Nick Schultz up to this point precisely because it is so awful, but I do think his case in and of itself is certainly serious enough to demand some kind of explanation or investigation. If there was ever a trial related to these charges it would have been tailor-made for an FMSF defense.
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Postby Marionumber1 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:41 pm

Good point about how easily we can be led off track when the subject turns to bloodlines, international secret societies going back centuries, and the like. I'm personally not that interested in the history of the group, except as it relates to the actual abusive cult that seemed to exist across the US, so basically just anything from Merritt Ruddock and Tweet Kimball onwards. That is a good place to start delving into. I've been told that Choctaw Joe was the alias used by Painted Black author Carl Raschke, who is of course controversial, though I do find his work on this topic to be generally well-sourced and he came across as a serious academic when I spoke with him. It would still be best to get corroborating evidence for those "Choctaw Joe" pages. But the prior 3 pages are from an actual law enforcement investigation which do leave me fairly convinced that this group was involved in terrorist activities and was at least adopting the ritual trappings of the White Eagle Lodge.

There are definitely other sources talking about Tweet Kimball and her Sedalia CO castle:

Castle Pines Connection, "Cherokee Castle and the Tweet Kimball Years", 2018/03/01 wrote:Were there a Colorado Mt. Rushmore, Tweet Kimball’s profile might well be chiseled there. Born in 1914 Tennessee, where women wielded limited political power, Bryn Mawr-educated Mildred Genevieve Montague “Tweet” Kimball never got the message. After acquiring Charlford Castle in 1954 which had been built by Denver real estate developer Charles Johnson 30 years prior, Tweet was in full charge of her destiny.

As a daughter of wealthy West Point graduate Richard Huntington Kimball, Tweet was a belle of Chattanooga, and her life swirled in currents of privilege and power. She married wealthy Merritt Ruddock, OSS/CIA executive and diplomat. When later posted to the U.S. Embassy in London, the Ruddock’s social position opened early channels to monarchs and heads of state. By then, Merritt and Tweet had adopted two sons, Kirk and Richard. It is said that the boys often enjoyed time with Prince Charles at Buckingham Palace, but were never permitted to share their candy.

The Ruddock marriage fell apart on return from England, and it was amicably agreed that the Mississippi River would be a line of physical separation. Tweet had a dear classmate from Bryn Mawr living in Colorado and thus favored our state, happening across Charlford’s availability in 1954.

Tweet always knew what she wanted. First, she renamed Charlford, calling it Cherokee Ranch out of respect for Indians of Tennessee. Seeing the ranch as insufficiently large for her vision, Tweet acquired more land from the Ray Blunt estate, bringing her landholdings to well over 4,000 acres.

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And an interesting sample of her associates:

The Keep, "The Story of Tweet Kimball" wrote:[snip]

A sampling of her guests includes Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands; Nepal’s crown prince (later king); both Princess Alexandra and Princess Anne of the British Empire; economist/Nobel Prize Winner Milton Friedman; actors Christopher Plummer and Tammie Grimes, who married in the Castle; Winthrop Rockefeller; Colorado governors Roy Romer and Richard Lamm; Denver’s Dan Ritchie, legendary businessman and civic leader; and ambassadors from various countries.

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About the White Eagle Lodge, I am inclined to think about it in a similar way to how I think of organizations like the Church of Satan, Process Church, or Temple of Set. These organizations are outwardly legitimate, however strange they might seem to a lot of us, and they surely attract many followers who would never commit these horrible acts like murder or child abuse. But they also provide the ideology that does serve as the social glue for underground cults which adopt certain practices and sometimes even the names of these legitimate organizations. They also provide a meeting grounds for people with the potential for these darker impulses to be drawn into such underground networks. And I would say that, in many cases, it is likely that the high-level leaders of those organizations were intelligence operatives who set them up just for that purpose; among other examples, the Temple of Set was started by a Lt. Col. in Army intelligence and the Process Church was incorporated by Tommy Baumler who worked out of Guy Banister's office. It would not surprise me if the White Eagle Lodge fit a similar framework, but I will withhold my judgment on that until its background is explored more heavily.
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Re: Family cleared in JonBenet Ramsey’s death

Postby Marionumber1 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:52 pm

cptmarginal » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:58 pm wrote:I've skirted around directly addressing what happened to Nick Schultz up to this point precisely because it is so awful, but I do think his case in and of itself is certainly serious enough to demand some kind of explanation or investigation. If there was ever a trial related to these charges it would have been tailor-made for an FMSF defense.


Luckily, Nick did get some semblance of justice: his father Paul Earl Schultz was convicted and sentenced to several years in prison. I listened to an interview with his mother Belinda in which she related how, at the trial, she was asked if she led Nick into making the disclosures he did, and she answered that she was instructed on how best to question him objectively and did her best not to. So to some extent, a FMSF type defense on "implanted" memories was attempted, but it clearly wasn't enough. However, there is no indication that the other connections to organized crime rings or prominent names like Jerry J. Moore, Michael Aquino, or George Bush Sr. (!) were truly explored. When a pedophile ring case breaks, the preferred reaction by the state is containment, so if they can bring down just one guy and ignore everyone else around him, the pedophocracy largely remains untouched.

What interests me specifically with regards to the JonBenet case is the myriad ways that this network might tie in. We have the statement from the first 4 dossier pages in which a source acquainted with Belinda Schultz told the unnamed law enforcement source (believed to be Carl Raschke) about Paul's likely connection to JonBenet's murder; clearly that suspicion came from somewhere. And indeed, we have the statement about Char Blaiser getting the call from a Ramsey family member shortly after the murder saying "I want to talk to you about Paul", which journalist Joe Calhoun apparently confirmed when he spoke to Char himself. One person spoke to Belinda a while back and she said her detective told her that the connection to the Ramsey family came through John Ramsey's former best friend Fleet White: http://www.webbsleuths.org/showthread.php?tid=990 The White family, along with John, was later accused of intergenerational child abuse by Nancy Krebs. Fleet, an oil company executive, apparently has a number of years missing in his background but is known to have hung around the Houston business scene (see p.16 of this Houston Clubber magazine: https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP05S00620R000601560075-2.pdf). Then I've heard some rumors that John Mark Karr of all people may have been linked to the crowd involved in the Brotherhood of the White Temple in Sedalia.
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Re: Family cleared in JonBenet Ramsey’s death

Postby Marionumber1 » Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:06 pm

Irony truly has died when you find Lin Wood, the civil defense attorney for the Ramsey family, talking about the purported upcoming exposure of elite pedophile rings: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/every-lie-will-revealed-going-shocked-level-pdophilia-satanic-worship-lin-wood-not-hold-back-explosive-thrive-time-interview-video/
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