rigorous apathy

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Have you helped pass Anit-PATRIOT-Act Resolutions

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rigorous apathy

Postby elfismiles » Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:54 am

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Have you participated in any local Defense of the Bill of Rights?

www.BORDC.org

Resolutions Passed and Efforts Underway, By State
http://bordc.org/list.php

Back in early 2003, I and several other locals formed the core group of The Austin BORDC.

We got the City to pass a toothless resolution.

Unfortunately the group slowly dissipated off into various other groups, each focused on more specific issues.

It's high time for our group to be resurrected.
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Postby mentalgongfu2 » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:30 pm

no, but it's a good idea. I see there are some resolutions already drafted and passed that can be copied or revised. I may have to bring this up locally. Iowa's most recent anti-meth law that created a logbook for pseudoephedrine sales was brought about because nearly every county passed a local ordinance and the state legislators felt pressure to follow suit. I have mixed feelings on that law, but it demonstrates grassroots political action can be effective when its done right.
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Postby elfismiles » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:28 pm

Thanks MentalGongFu2.

What's up with everybody else .... ? :?

Currently 1951 members registered at RI, with this thread getting just over 70 views ... I know there are really about several hundred active readers / posters here but I'm seriously dismayed at this non-response.

Are people afraid of admitting they participated in such activism? Afraid of admitting that they HAVEN'T participated?

What gives?
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Postby elfismiles » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:29 pm

Ok ... so that 1951st member is a porn-slinger ... but still.
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Postby OP ED » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:55 am

yes, but it isn't something I can talk about.
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Postby elfismiles » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:34 pm

... well thank you for the folks who have voted anonymously.

That IS an option.

I'm still mighty disappointed.

But thanks again to those who have voted.
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Re: Bill of Rights Defense Committees

Postby posting tulpa » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:54 pm

elfismiles wrote:Have you participated in any local Defense of the Bill of Rights?

www.BORDC.org

Resolutions Passed and Efforts Underway, By State
http://bordc.org/list.php

Back in early 2003, I and several other locals formed the core group of The Austin BORDC.

We got the City to pass a toothless resolution.

Unfortunately the group slowly dissipated off into various other groups, each focused on more specific issues.

It's high time for our group to be resurrected.



let me know where and I'm all over it. Doesn't surpirise me that we only got a 'toothless' version around here though,...... they love the police state in Texas.
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Postby elfismiles » Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:54 pm

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Postby Penguin » Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:48 am

Well, I bet theyd take it real seriously when some finnish asshole passes a resolution opposing Patriot act. Maybe thats why those 1500 or so posters havent all replied - they may not all be americans ;)

As to opposing, yeah, I do it every day by mouthing off to receptive people. Pretty much all I can do, in addition to boycotting US products and buying Chinese :p
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:07 am

Why play that game when they don't abide by their own rules? Never heard a satisfactory answer to that.
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Postby elfismiles » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:09 am

Penguin wrote:Well, I bet theyd take it real seriously when some finnish asshole passes a resolution opposing Patriot act. Maybe thats why those 1500 or so posters havent all replied - they may not all be americans ;)

As to opposing, yeah, I do it every day by mouthing off to receptive people. Pretty much all I can do, in addition to boycotting US products and buying Chinese :p


Thanks for the reminder Penguin.

Yeah, that's one of the things that always amazes me about this group here at RI ... they are truly International ... at least as far as I can tell.

Then again ... those multimillion person anti-war rallies I've seen happen overseas sure do help us feel less isolated here in the United States of Unconsciousness.

I just can't shake this fear and disappointment that either most of my fellow Americans on this board are themselves afraid to answer such a question (either out of paranoia or embarrassment) or they just don't care enough to do anything about helping.

My pronoia tells me not to worry ... that there are plenty of folks here helping make things better - each in their own small ways.

But the pronoic voice in my head is like that still small voice ... the din of everyday life keeps drowning it out.
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Postby elfismiles » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:10 am

Wombaticus Rex wrote:Why play that game when they don't abide by their own rules? Never heard a satisfactory answer to that.


Then what games do we play to win?

Make Exquisite Corpses of us all?
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:47 am

I'm not understanding you. I'll be less cryptic and more specific: human freedom can only come from resource abundance, energy independence, and functional autonomy, anything else is just a philosophy covering up the usual hierarchy games. I see no value in democratic action because power doesn't play by democratic rules.

This is built into your proposition: you're lecturing us for not fixing laws that were broken by powerful people, right? Why do you expect them to respect our efforts now when they've already disobeyed laws -- on an epic scale, for decades if not centuries?

I just don't get that part. I'll put in work towards meaningful freedom, but not this democracy horseshit.
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:51 am

I'd also like to point out that I really respect you and the work you do. I know that the balance here at RI can be fragile and I'm not rushing in to spread negativity here.

I found it offensive that you'd characterise walking away from a broken system as "apathy." That's all.
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Postby NavnDansk » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:04 am

I think talking about it constantly can inspire people to get involved.

Dem Uderground used to have many threads encouraging each other to email and write and many times would post their letters or emails and tell others on DU that they were free to steal it or adapt it for own correspondence.

I have noticed that hardly anyone reads the RI activism section and this is true of many sites.

An interesting article in WaPo a while back had an outline of the strategy of a long-time black activist name of Martin can't remember his last name. He spoke to groups about the absolute necessity of organization and hundreds of people in his group had gone to have dinner at each others homes thousands of times over the years and won some victories of the notoriously corrupt DC mayors because Martin said issues come and go and to be success the people in the group needed to have strong ties with each other by making efforts to bond through friendship activities.

Napoleon said constantly that imagination rules the world. Some of the survivalist site do a better job than the left in inspiring people some times through imagination and citing times in the past when groups of citizens have won or at least were able to protect themselves, their families and some friends. Iridescent Cuttlefish was good at linking to sites that showed what thinking outside the box and use of imagination can change our future. Would like to see a whole section based on his posts.

I often wonder why the good writers on this board and others instead of arguing endlessly about 911 and other issues made a collaborative effort to write a sort of 911 -- 101 and 102 and the same with other issues and not just make condescending statement about those less informed who have been brainwashed by TV, video games and working 2 jobs and needing to take anti-depressants or tranquilizers to calm down enough to sleep by the deliberately chaotic system that has evolved over the past 15 years by getting rid of middle management, and selling it as a lateral rather than heiarchal system but I remember what is was like when there were middle managers without them it is like being without traffic lights and when enough people were hired to do that job instead of refusing to replace workers who quit so those who are left have to attempt to do the job of 3 o4 people which is not physically or emotionally possible for longer than very short term and the verbal abuse that goes on in most work places now.

Sybil Edmunds and lukery need charts, line drawings and photos to make the tedious connections between so many individuals groups and corporations destroying our economy and our military.

DU used to have a page on The Bush famly evil empore BFEE but it was always hard to find and contained many links that were helpful but it seems there needs to be a simplifying of the information.

The 911 sites take too long to load and the technical articles and links can be intimidating to those with limited time.

7th fire.com had an interesting page on the suspicious Nick Berg beheading and the first paragraph said the pathocrats have all the money in the world so why such a shoddy production of the video?


And stated everyone loves a mystery and that is one of the ways the ptbs distract us from even minimal action of signing petitions or continuing to write encouragingly to the Congressperson like Defazio and Lynn Woolsey who endanger themselves by their statements and bill trying to stop some of the crimes by the pathocrats and whistleblowers should receive encouraging letters as well.

Mark Klein the whistleblower on AT&T cooperating with NSA is furious about the recent dems cave on FISA.

During the last Italian election it looked like Berlusci would be allowed to steal the election but protests online and in the street and people talking about leaving Italy made the Italian govt back down on seating this corrupt leader.

It is alot more fun to play Sherlock Holmes on line and while much of this information is useful, people need to set aside some time online to write encouraging letters to those who are risking a lot by telling the truth. And feeling that it is a collaborative effort by talking about the emails sent sent gives a feeling of solidarity.

Solzhenitsen asked why the Russians who had been so courageous in WWI and WWII would see an individual between two guards at the train station knowing the prisoner had committed no real crime and no one including Solz, at that point, would challenge the officers as to why the man was being arrested and why no one said anything or tried to stop the NKVD from arresting and moving whole city blocks including the children because someone had said or written something unflattering about Stalin.

Solz a strong, conservative Christian also said why when whole cities were being arrested and relocated to the gulag work camps just cowered in their apartments rather than grouping together with any weapon they could find, frying pans, axes, pokers and that if an NKVD knew when he kissed his wife and children before going on duty to arrest hundreds of innocent people knew that their was a good chance he would be killed that it might have discouraged the traitors from carrying Stalin's/the banker's' NWO experiment/plans.

Solz thought it was because if you feel your whole country is behind you during a war from outsiders, it gives you courage but if the threat is from within your government you feel too afraid to speak up.

Joan Baez wrote that it only took one German soldier with a machine gun to arrest hundreds, why the people at the front didn't just overwhelm the soldier with their superior numbers. The ones in front would probably have been wounded or died but they would have saved their communities and so many soldiers have been willing to die for their countries.

Solzhenitsen wrote in his impressionistic autobiography titled THE CALF AND THE OAK about individual responsibility to stop attrocities like the Gulags by telling the truth. The title of this book is based on an old Russian proverb that if a calf buts his head against and oak it is probable that the calf will break his head but there is always the chance that the oak, symbolic of the soviet gov. might be toppled. Napolean in his first battle as a general routed 5 times the weight of the French army against the Austrians though a superstitious trick on the Austrians, a brilliant, original strategy but most of all by inspiring the very sullen, mutinous French army in Italy even though they had not been paid in months, most were starving, in rags and some had cloth wrapped around their feet instead of boots.
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