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Freddie n Fannie Scam Hidden In Broad Daylight

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:50 pm
by vigilant
This is about the biggest "limited hangout" piece of trash commentary a person could write. Of course its coming from Bloomberg, one of the mouth pieces of the wall street crew, so what else would you expect it to be?

As Joe Public, when I read this, it is obvious that I am supposed to walk away with a few key points stuck in my head. These points don't address the crime at all. These points don't solve the equation in any manner. It steers us away from looking at the thieves in the banking and government sectors, and steers us into these few points, which are about as valuable as garbage rotting in the sunshine...




1. Garbage dump number one:

Don't cry for investors who lost money on the companies' stocks either. If they didn't do any research or didn't understand what they owned, the people they should blame are themselves.
The reality is that investors should withhold their faith in the government officials who regulate our financial markets. That's not cynicism. In the parlance of securities law, it's a risk-factor disclosure.


Read as: If the bankers and government officials you trust not to break the law, and steal and rob you blind, break the laws in the process, and violate every covenant of human decency in the process...well just look the other way because they are "supposed" to do that. Didn't you know that you dumb dumb? No matter what we do to you, when we lie to you, and steal you blind, it will still be your own damn fault. Never forget it. Us stealing from you, and ruining your life, is always your fault...

(But you, you schmuck, you better pay every nickel of your damn taxes, and what you owe to the bank, cause if ya don't, that thin air we loaned ya and called money, that you must pay back with hard cash, or lose all your hard assets, will vanish like smoke my friend, into our pockets...one more time. Which is what separates us from you...we know you'll take this bit of mind programming, you always do, and we are always pleased, but amazed by it....(crooked grin)





2. Garbage dump number two:

When the history is written on the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, it will go down in the annals of corporate scandals as one of the greatest accounting scams committed in broad daylight.

Ya don't say? So this is just an accounting scam huh? Well i'll be jiggered. I was under the impression one of the biggest "crimes" in history is being committed as we speak. But now you tell me "its over" and it was just a company, who "somehow" got into trouble, and didn't want to admit it yet. That was neat and tidy. End of story...into the memory hole the truth will go...

Its amazing how they continually redefine the terms of our world so that we don't recognize what we see. Now the definition of of making millions homeless, broke, starved, financially ruined for life, psychologically broken, spiritually broken, lifetimes work ruined beyond repair, suicidal, in some cases probably literally dead as a result, by fraud, deception, rackateering, outright theft, coercion....is reduced to "accounting scam". Nice and neat isn't it?





3. Garbage dump number three:

All anyone had to do to know the government-guaranteed mortgage financiers were insolvent was read their financial statements. You didn't need a trained professional eye to discern this open secret, only a skeptical one.

Oh really? Another affirmation and hypnotic lesson on how its all our own fault. Really driving that point home aren't ya doc? Well next you're gonna tell us the books were cooked anyway, so which is it?
You're one of people that doesn't have to live behind the veil, so easy for you to say.
"See Joe Public, once again, you and your stupidity, led you over the cliff and you fell into the abyss. Do not attempt to blame the thieves, this is all your fault, just like always, never forget that when we lie to you, and then rob you blind. Repeat after me: "it will always be my own fault".....

Just last month, Fannie and Freddie said their regulatory capital was $47 billion and $37.1 billion, respectively, as of June 30. The Treasury Department now says it may have to inject as much as $200 billion of capital into the two companies. Nothing much changed at the companies in that span. They just couldn't get the government to keep up the ruse any longer.

Sounds like you are saying you knew it all along. I'd like to see the transaction records of your personal portfolio ok? I bet you did ok didn't ya bud?






4. Garbage dump number four:

Gatekeepers Doze
There were lots of gatekeepers who could have stopped this sooner and chose not to. Freddie and Fannie had boards with outside directors and audit committees, though the evidence that they did their jobs is scant.
Freddie's auditor, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP, could have stopped it, and didn't. The same is true of Fannie's auditor, Deloitte & Touche LLP.
The Securities and Exchange Commission's chairman, Christopher Cox, had other priorities. He was too busy this summer trying to prop up the companies' stock prices by chasing short sellers away from their shares.
James Lockhart, the director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, kept telling the public this summer that Fannie and Freddie were adequately capitalized. He must have known this was a joke, assuming he had bothered to read their quarterly reports.
All the while, Ben Bernanke at the Federal Reserve and Hank Paulson at Treasury offered the same warm assurances about the companies' capital. They surely knew better, too.


What we should infer: While most of the people that should have been looking out for your best interest were being lazy, inept, playing golf, stupid, fooled, or whatever, a few hard working public servants obviously noticed a crisis could be looming and were working to shore up the dams to protect you while they desperately sought a solution. They kept quiet so as not to start a panic while they desperately looked for a solution. But since these sorts of things "just happen somehow" and obviously nobody knew this was coming, they were caught off guard and by the time they noticed it, it was just too late for them to save your ass, but they tried....

The truth: This was purposely engineered years ago with a known outcome. While the theives were stuffing their armored vans with as much cash as possible, they lied their asses off to stall for time. When they had stolen every available nickel, they knew it was time to get out from under the awning before it came crashing down on them, so it could fall onto your head.

Numbers will head in the same damn direction every time, just like water will, if you arrange the landscape and parameters in a certain way. Due to a few variables it might meander a bit on its way, but the basic contours will steer it in a known direction. Since 2 + 2 always equals 4, the outcome was predictable and certain. These people deal in, and fight over, fractions of a percent everyday because its the difference in millions and billions of dollars in profit. But they somehow by golly, for the life of them, just had no idea where this would go??? Amazing selective foresight isn't it?

If 2 + 2 sometimes equaled -36, we might be able to believe nobody saw this coming, but it doesn't work that way. What was certain was that this was a rigged pyramid scheme, the thieves knew it would collapse, they knew the people on the bottom would go broke, while the profits flow to the top of the "narrow" part of the pyramid. There at the top they waited with open pockets. Along with the fact that our money is being stolen not only once in the scam itself, but twice from taxpayers to "bailout" the country, which in reality is incorporated into the scheme from the beginning, because its an integral part of how the thievery works.

Without knowing a bailout was going to be used, the scheme would have been potentially useless to rig up in the first place, because some of "them" might have actually been open to risk themselves.....and for people that play on this level, risking their marbles to steal yours isn't something they like to do unless they have to.

They would rather risk your marbles, to take your marbles, and take your marbles again when you pay for the damage done, from the marbles already taken from you in the first place...



So Johnathan, great piece of work (trash) there bud...because you didn't tell wall street readers anything. They know this is all garbage, and you certainly didn't do anything but lead the public astray with this garbage.....just how big is that vacation home, and the yacht parked in front of it again???

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:03 pm
by Wombaticus Rex
Great post, thank you.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:05 pm
by FourthBase
I think I understand the situation now, and I know shit about money.

Vigilant, is there any way to get this out there? If so, do it.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:04 pm
by vigilant
The only way to get it out "there" would be to put it on the massive bullhorn of the mainstream media.

Since there is no money, and no safety, in doing so, for the mainstream press, I would say the chances of that happening are equal to...mmmm...

me sniffing some of this magic cat shit I have in this sack, and becoming immortal...

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:19 pm
by Carfuffle
About a year ago I saw someone among the RI group recommend reading the blog Calculated Risk for economic news specifically pertaining to housing, though a lot of banking news is covered there as well. Turns out, for someone fascinated with the slow motion economic collapse of this country, its the best suggestion I ever took. People posting in the comments there have known for some time how tenuous F&F balance sheets are. There is much to be learned there, both in the blog itself and among the commenters as well. Many medium sized banks (as well as many 401Ks) were invested in F&F. Stocks were "safe" with an implicit guarantee from the Govt. I'm sure if FDIC were fully staffed and up to speed (they aren't - yet) it would be contributing to many banks demise. It still will be, as the FDIC can get to them.

http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/

I read this blog/comments and that one daily. None better than these :)

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:22 pm
by FourthBase
vigilant wrote:The only way to get it out "there" would be to put it on the massive bullhorn of the mainstream media.

Since there is no money, and no safety, in doing so, for the mainstream press, I would say the chances of that happening are equal to...mmmm...

me sniffing some of this magic cat shit I have in this sack, and becoming immortal...


:lol: Long live vigilant! Live long!

Okay, I don't blame you.

I just thought maybe there was a way, via the internet, besides this board.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:42 pm
by slimmouse
FourthBase wrote:I think I understand the situation now, and I know shit about money.


Money at your end is quite simply your labour, but more importantly your time.

At their end its an imaginary figure on a screen. A figment of their imagination.

So, in short by a figment of their imagination, your time and toil become theirs.

Now thats fucking clever , no ? !

And with respect, any of you can argue with me till your blue in the face, but thats the plain simple no fucking nonsense truth.

Dont believe me ?

Well in that case, how come one day your time is worth x, and the next its worth -x squared ?

go fucking figure.

Re: Freddie n Fannie Scam Hidden In Broad Daylight

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:30 pm
by isachar
vigilant wrote:This is about the biggest "limited hangout" piece of trash commentary a person could write. Of course its coming from Bloomberg, one of the mouth pieces of the wall street crew, so what else would you expect it to be?

As Joe Public, when I read this, it is obvious that I am supposed to walk away with a few key points stuck in my head. These points don't address the crime at all. These points don't solve the equation in any manner. It steers us away from looking at the thieves in the banking and government sectors, and steers us into these few points, which are about as valuable as garbage rotting in the sunshine...




1. Garbage dump number one:

Don't cry for investors who lost money on the companies' stocks either. If they didn't do any research or didn't understand what they owned, the people they should blame are themselves.
The reality is that investors should withhold their faith in the government officials who regulate our financial markets. That's not cynicism. In the parlance of securities law, it's a risk-factor disclosure.


Read as: If the bankers and government officials you trust not to break the law, and steal and rob you blind, break the laws in the process, and violate every covenant of human decency in the process...well just look the other way because they are "supposed" to do that. Didn't you know that you dumb dumb? No matter what we do to you, when we lie to you, and steal you blind, it will still be your own damn fault. Never forget it. Us stealing from you, and ruining your life, is always your fault...

(But you, you schmuck, you better pay every nickel of your damn taxes, and what you owe to the bank, cause if ya don't, that thin air we loaned ya and called money, that you must pay back with hard cash, or lose all your hard assets, will vanish like smoke my friend, into our pockets...one more time. Which is what separates us from you...we know you'll take this bit of mind programming, you always do, and we are always pleased, but amazed by it....(crooked grin)





2. Garbage dump number two:

When the history is written on the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, it will go down in the annals of corporate scandals as one of the greatest accounting scams committed in broad daylight.

Ya don't say? So this is just an accounting scam huh? Well i'll be jiggered. I was under the impression one of the biggest "crimes" in history is being committed as we speak. But now you tell me "its over" and it was just a company, who "somehow" got into trouble, and didn't want to admit it yet. That was neat and tidy. End of story...into the memory hole the truth will go...

Its amazing how they continually redefine the terms of our world so that we don't recognize what we see. Now the definition of of making millions homeless, broke, starved, financially ruined for life, psychologically broken, spiritually broken, lifetimes work ruined beyond repair, suicidal, in some cases probably literally dead as a result, by fraud, deception, rackateering, outright theft, coercion....is reduced to "accounting scam". Nice and neat isn't it?





3. Garbage dump number three:

All anyone had to do to know the government-guaranteed mortgage financiers were insolvent was read their financial statements. You didn't need a trained professional eye to discern this open secret, only a skeptical one.

Oh really? Another affirmation and hypnotic lesson on how its all our own fault. Really driving that point home aren't ya doc? Well next you're gonna tell us the books were cooked anyway, so which is it?
You're one of people that doesn't have to live behind the veil, so easy for you to say.
"See Joe Public, once again, you and your stupidity, led you over the cliff and you fell into the abyss. Do not attempt to blame the thieves, this is all your fault, just like always, never forget that when we lie to you, and then rob you blind. Repeat after me: "it will always be my own fault".....

Just last month, Fannie and Freddie said their regulatory capital was $47 billion and $37.1 billion, respectively, as of June 30. The Treasury Department now says it may have to inject as much as $200 billion of capital into the two companies. Nothing much changed at the companies in that span. They just couldn't get the government to keep up the ruse any longer.

Sounds like you are saying you knew it all along. I'd like to see the transaction records of your personal portfolio ok? I bet you did ok didn't ya bud?






4. Garbage dump number four:

Gatekeepers Doze
There were lots of gatekeepers who could have stopped this sooner and chose not to. Freddie and Fannie had boards with outside directors and audit committees, though the evidence that they did their jobs is scant.
Freddie's auditor, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP, could have stopped it, and didn't. The same is true of Fannie's auditor, Deloitte & Touche LLP.
The Securities and Exchange Commission's chairman, Christopher Cox, had other priorities. He was too busy this summer trying to prop up the companies' stock prices by chasing short sellers away from their shares.
James Lockhart, the director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, kept telling the public this summer that Fannie and Freddie were adequately capitalized. He must have known this was a joke, assuming he had bothered to read their quarterly reports.
All the while, Ben Bernanke at the Federal Reserve and Hank Paulson at Treasury offered the same warm assurances about the companies' capital. They surely knew better, too.


What we should infer: While most of the people that should have been looking out for your best interest were being lazy, inept, playing golf, stupid, fooled, or whatever, a few hard working public servants obviously noticed a crisis could be looming and were working to shore up the dams to protect you while they desperately sought a solution. They kept quiet so as not to start a panic while they desperately looked for a solution. But since these sorts of things "just happen somehow" and obviously nobody knew this was coming, they were caught off guard and by the time they noticed it, it was just too late for them to save your ass, but they tried....

The truth: This was purposely engineered years ago with a known outcome. While the theives were stuffing their armored vans with as much cash as possible, they lied their asses off to stall for time. When they had stolen every available nickel, they knew it was time to get out from under the awning before it came crashing down on them, so it could fall onto your head.

Numbers will head in the same damn direction every time, just like water will, if you arrange the landscape and parameters in a certain way. Due to a few variables it might meander a bit on its way, but the basic contours will steer it in a known direction. Since 2 + 2 always equals 4, the outcome was predictable and certain. These people deal in, and fight over, fractions of a percent everyday because its the difference in millions and billions of dollars in profit. But they somehow by golly, for the life of them, just had no idea where this would go??? Amazing selective foresight isn't it?

If 2 + 2 sometimes equaled -36, we might be able to believe nobody saw this coming, but it doesn't work that way. What was certain was that this was a rigged pyramid scheme, the thieves knew it would collapse, they knew the people on the bottom would go broke, while the profits flow to the top of the "narrow" part of the pyramid. There at the top they waited with open pockets. Along with the fact that our money is being stolen not only once in the scam itself, but twice from taxpayers to "bailout" the country, which in reality is incorporated into the scheme from the beginning, because its an integral part of how the thievery works.

Without knowing a bailout was going to be used, the scheme would have been potentially useless to rig up in the first place, because some of "them" might have actually been open to risk themselves.....and for people that play on this level, risking their marbles to steal yours isn't something they like to do unless they have to.

They would rather risk your marbles, to take your marbles, and take your marbles again when you pay for the damage done, from the marbles already taken from you in the first place...



So Johnathan, great piece of work (trash) there bud...because you didn't tell wall street readers anything. They know this is all garbage, and you certainly didn't do anything but lead the public astray with this garbage.....just how big is that vacation home, and the yacht parked in front of it again???


Damn straight that. Quite vigilant.

Scam for sure. Biggest ever, prolly. Antiaristo (where'd he go) posted an analysis by an obscure buy at F&F's regulator on the "Fed Losing Control Thread" that foresaw all of this several years back. As I recall, he was ignored, marginalized, or fired.

Forseen, foreseeable, yet not a single thing was done while the banks and lenders and brokers gave out mortgages (and skimmed their fees) to anyone with a pulse and a story and transferred (dumped) them on F&F's books which then dumped them on anyone foolish enough to buy their trash paper.

All was given the blessing of the Fed, underwriters and even some bond insurers.

Now the soveriegn/foreign funds and bigwigs that bought the trash get bailed out, while smaller banks get the 'we'll see what we can do', and individual mortgage holders who weren't part of the scam find themselves living in a tent outside of Barstow eating weiners cooked over a sterno stove.

Meanwhile the syndicators, brokers, bankers, hedge funds, and underwriters get to keep all the money they stole, oops, I mean earned, and all taxpayers get left holding the stinking pile of crap.

Nice work, if you can get a piece of the scam. Most didn't, but those who did made out like bandits and they also get off free.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:41 pm
by vigilant
slimmouse wrote:
FourthBase wrote:I think I understand the situation now, and I know shit about money.


Money at your end is quite simply your labour, but more importantly your time.

At their end its an imaginary figure on a screen. A figment of their imagination.

So, in short by a figment of their imagination, your time and toil become theirs.

Now thats fucking clever , no ? !

And with respect, any of you can argue with me till your blue in the face, but thats the plain simple no fucking nonsense truth.

Dont believe me ?

Well in that case, how come one day your time is worth x, and the next its worth -x squared ?

go fucking figure.



I like the way you worded that. Never thought of it exactly like that, but my way of thinking was "very" similar...


I always thought of it as: Our time and toil, is compensated in dollars. By giving the dollars back in the form of taxes our labor is transferred and attached right along with it.

The magical wonderful part for "them" is the fact that they don't have to receive our labor in the exact form we performed it in. By having the magic dollar attached to our labor when we send in our taxes, it can then be magically converted into anything their heart desires.

They can trade our labor for more labor, and our labor can then be converted into any form or type of labor they desire. A school teacher sends in her labor (taxes), but they don't need teaching labor that day, so it can easily be converted into a soldiers labor for fighting a war. Presto.

They can also trade our time and labor for hard goods, or anything else they desire. How clever is that? Very...and the kicker is what really makes it work. Declaring that "money" must be the form of payment "taxes" are made in, is exactly what makes the whole thing stay together. Why?

Because if the King is going to send his Knights to your door if you don't send in the worthless paper money, he will beat you up, take your stuff, and put you in prison. That being the case, people are willing to do extraordinary things to get their hands on some of this money to send the King. Nobody wants to have to deal with the repurcussions.

That gives money value, and enough value that we will provide labor for others in order to get us some money to pay the king. We are all willing to swap, buy, trade, barter, toil with our labor, or whatever is necessary to get the Kings money, which makes it inherently valuable to all...
.
Slick trick...Back when tally sticks were used, it was the same game...make something, anything, that people can't readily reproduce or acquire, acceptable as payment for taxes, and it instantly becomes....

tada!........money....

and now you know....the rest of the story...

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:09 pm
by bks
Vigilant,

I'm very grateful for the analysis. Given how important and dense a subject matter this is, though, and given the importance of getting others to start learning about about it, could you please provide some additional specifics? I'm thinking of my critical reasoning students, who know even less than the very little I do about the subject, and who will not find any outrage in it unless they can particularize the crime.

So if you don't mind: you wrote:

1.
"I was under the impression one of the biggest "crimes" in history is being committed as we speak."


What is the essence of the crime? Were actual laws broken, or do you mean crime in the sense of immorality? Please give examples of the "fraud, deception, rackateering, outright theft, coercion".

2.
This was purposely engineered years ago with a known outcome. While the theives were stuffing their armored vans with as much cash as possible, they lied their asses off to stall for time.


Who in particular? What is the best evidence this was engineered years ago?

3.
What was certain was that this was a rigged pyramid scheme, the thieves knew it would collapse, they knew the people on the bottom would go broke, while the profits flow to the top of the "narrow" part of the pyramid. There at the top they waited with open pockets.


Who are these thieves, and what clearly shows their foreknowledge?

4.
Without knowing a bailout was going to be used, the scheme would have been potentially useless to rig up in the first place, because some of "them" might have actually been open to risk themselves.....and for people that play on this level, risking their marbles to steal yours isn't something they like to do unless they have to.


So the scheme itself is proof of the knowledge that a bailout would come , and thus financial responsibility would be escaped? Other than past history, any evidence that a bailout was certain to come in the form it has?

Thx

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:14 am
by Wilbur Whatley
I dunno, I'm pretty smart at law and economics, and I didn't get the original post at all. The formatting is confusing to me. Vigilant says he is responding to some Bloomberg article, but there is no link to the original that I could find, and I don't get the rest of the post.

This is possibly the most important economic news of the decade or longer. Some will eventually say it represents an end to the American 20th century.

So I guess I'm stupid, but I don't get this thread at all.

***On Edit: but best to respond to bks first, who has more pointed questions.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:36 am
by vigilant
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... 5s3oci5VH8


Sorry I forgot the link of the original article. I usually always post them. And i'll flesh out those questions bks asked. Not now though because its late here. I have to get some sleep.

I hope this doesn't come out the wrong way, but i'm sort of wondering what it is that you don't understand...but I'm trying to keep in mind that a lot of this seems vague to a lot of people that might not follow it very closely. Your questions were direct and succinct so I guess the best place I could start is there...

And per usual, there isn't "concrete" proof of a lot of the details. That is something they prefer not to leave laying around for inspection...and what is there, obviously won't see the light of day.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:39 am
by Nordic
What gets me is how the media treated this whole story like it was a GREAT thing.

Wow, the Feds have rode in like the cavalry and saved the day! Stock markets around the world rejoice!

Sorta forgetting that the deal was made, without the taxpayer's permission, that the taxpayers were now liable for this trillion dollar bailout.

So get back to work, you suckers! You've got some serious bailing out to do!

Not only do you have to pay back your own debts, you've got the corporatocracy's to pay off as well! Meanwhile, the fat cats are still living large, sailing away on their golden parachutes!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:26 am
by stickdog99
Nice OP.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:46 am
by antiaristo
1.
Quote:
"I was under the impression one of the biggest "crimes" in history is being committed as we speak."


What is the essence of the crime? Were actual laws broken, or do you mean crime in the sense of immorality? Please give examples of the "fraud, deception, rackateering, outright theft, coercion".


Phony securities known as CDOs were issued through phony corporate entities called SIVs, for a total amount between $3.5 and $4 Trillion.

The structural loss on these securities, before taking into account real estate declines, was between $1.5 and $2 Trillion.



2.
Quote:
This was purposely engineered years ago with a known outcome. While the theives were stuffing their armored vans with as much cash as possible, they lied their asses off to stall for time.


Who in particular? What is the best evidence this was engineered years ago?


(i) The tax code of the IRS was changed to specifically allow these phony corporate entities as "Special Qualifying Vehicles". This happened around the turn of the Century.

(ii) Glass-Steagal was repealed in order to allow into the securities and banking industries those insurance fraudsters who had pulled off the Lloyds of London scam.

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... 53ff7b25c5

This happened around the turn of the Century.

3.
Quote:
What was certain was that this was a rigged pyramid scheme, the thieves knew it would collapse, they knew the people on the bottom would go broke, while the profits flow to the top of the "narrow" part of the pyramid. There at the top they waited with open pockets.


Who are these thieves, and what clearly shows their foreknowledge?


American Freemasons, sworn to secrecy under sentence of death, and working for the City of London and its Sovereign. Some knew, some did not. Those who knew include those who swore a formal oath of allegiance to Queen Elizabeth (Bush, Clinton, Greenspan).

The modus operandi was the same as for 9/11. I'll say more about this later.


4.
Quote:
Without knowing a bailout was going to be used, the scheme would have been potentially useless to rig up in the first place, because some of "them" might have actually been open to risk themselves.....and for people that play on this level, risking their marbles to steal yours isn't something they like to do unless they have to.


So the scheme itself is proof of the knowledge that a bailout would come , and thus financial responsibility would be escaped? Other than past history, any evidence that a bailout was certain to come in the form it has?



I'm not comfortable with the way this exchange has been structured, and have no comment.